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Title: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: NuclearDruid on February 01, 2007, 09:26:20 am
Someone seems to have pissed of a local bureaucrat. A planner from Sundance, WY has started a thread over on Cyburbia.org

Planning vs. Free State radicals (http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28061)

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Thanks for the input...We are on that track, letting them show thier ass in front of the pioneers of the county, their Van Nuys ways come to the surface like oil in water...we may just turn them over to homeland security since they seem to like to stand around on the courthouse porch with their guns strapped on....domestic terrorists plain and simple...yes, we are documenting everything in case of a lawsuit, so I do not make extemporaneous presentations to groups in the county, it is all written and I read it and note the where, when and who on the presentation and file it.

ND
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: ShortyDawkins on February 01, 2007, 09:37:55 am
Someone seems to have pissed of a local bureaucrat. A planner from Sundance, WY has started a thread over on Cyburbia.org

Planning vs. Free State radicals (http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28061)

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Thanks for the input...We are on that track, letting them show thier ass in front of the pioneers of the county, their Van Nuys ways come to the surface like oil in water...we may just turn them over to homeland security since they seem to like to stand around on the courthouse porch with their guns strapped on....domestic terrorists plain and simple...yes, we are documenting everything in case of a lawsuit, so I do not make extemporaneous presentations to groups in the county, it is all written and I read it and note the where, when and who on the presentation and file it.

ND

Reading that, the thought came to me,'Who are the subversives, here?"
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Claire on February 01, 2007, 09:55:30 am
The statements that inspired ND's quoted remark are even more revealing -- and show exactly why we have so many projects currently attempting to take governments back:

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How numerous are these Free Staters in your county? Are they a honest-to-God impediment, capable of controlling the process? Or are they just a vocal minority using the seagull strategy (flying in, making a lot of noise, and crapping on everything)?

If they are a super-vocal minority, the government listens to them, thanks them for their input, and then does what is right for the residents of the county.

If they are a majority, you listen to their concerns, seek to undertand and to be understood, bend a little if you can without forfeiting your fiduciary duties, then does what is right for the residents of the county.

Invite them to attend work sessions on the comp plan. In a work session the planning board has a lot more discretion about handling public comment. They are there to work, not listen to tirades against government. Allow them to comment, by all means, but only to ask questions or make comments. They may have legitimate concerns and helpful suggestions. But work sessions are not a place for soap box rants.

Just because they have a right to comment, does not give them a right to commandeer the process. Nor does it mean the governing body cannot require those commenting do so in a respectful and orderly process. Time limits can be placed on public testimony. People can be encouraged to provide written comment. Make sure you follow the statutory requirements, and maybe even go a little beyond what is required.

Hopefully the governing body in your jurisdiction has enough backbone to stand up and do what is right.

How's that for "democracy," eh? Yeah, "the people" have a right to be heard. But it's all just noise. We, the Bureaucrats, don't actually have to listen to anybody ...
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Wyomiles on February 01, 2007, 10:26:52 am
Thanks nucleardruid I'll pass it on.  Some of the good folks up there are just trying to slow down the machine and as you can see they don't like it .  Miles
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Rarick on February 01, 2007, 10:51:26 am
That is one of the points that Limbaugh dude made way back when, The arrogance of the Gov't Bureacrats.  If you have a Majority Saying NO!, it is your job to comply, not "Make the right decision anyway".  Tar and feather time.
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Wyomiles on February 01, 2007, 11:02:37 am
OK, I put a post up at FSW and wrote a few PM's so we will see where this goes. What an ass that guy is .  , if anyone here wants to take a vacation to Wyoming we might have some interesting happenings coming .  :mellow:
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: padre29 on February 01, 2007, 11:06:50 am
Oh my goodness, "They are acting like domestic terrorists, we already have called homeland security"

What a load of crapoloa, so Citizens acting within their rights are somehow "domestic terrorists"? Wouldn't that mean that the people who v*ted the people into office who hired this clown were domestic terrorists as well?

Either way, good on the FSW'ers, they have their attention now, even if TPTB are trying to get them to diffuse their efforts by attending "planning meetings" were they are treated very much like parrots in cages, they can speak just not too much, they can offer "ideas" (that reveal the attendee's state of mind BTW) but they won't listen to them.

I hope this "man" had to buy another box of prilosec to deal with his permanent heartburn.....  :brave:
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: MamaLiberty on February 01, 2007, 12:16:51 pm
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we may just turn them over to homeland security since they seem to like to stand around on the courthouse porch with their guns strapped on


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Originally posted by otterpop View Post
Montana had its turn with these kinds of knuckleheads. Law enforcement had a very effective method when it was time to bring one in for questioning or arrest. No big ATF raid. They just kept an eye on the suspect and caught him when he was alone - usually in his car. Surrounded him with superior force and arrested him. For all their bluster, these folks usually go meek as lambs when the cops descend upon them with guns drawn.
??? Not seeing any lawbreaking going on. Sundance are you new to the west? Wyoming is an open carry state, part of the reason why the west part of the Free State movement split to go there. I think you must be thinking of the tax protestors or phony writ writers in Montana?

Using the public comment and work process is hardly illegal, even when it goes against what the professional planners want. I would have thought that the staff would appreciate some interested and motivated citizens. You are there to serve the residents, right??

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These folks should read some history of this country. Armed rebellion has always been quashed. We cannot tolerate armed extremists threatening the puiblic health, safety and welfare.


Yeah, that American Revolution really got quashed. 2nd revolution would have won too, had Lincoln not thrown away the Constitution to keep the seccessionists in.
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Earth First. We'll pave the other planets later.

Seems at least one of them on that forum has his head screwed on more or less straight.

But we are all "lawbreakers" when the bureaucrats decide what the "laws" are at their own whim. They have made up their mind what is "good for the county" and they are never going to tolerate anything that doesn't fit into that plan - no matter who it hurts or how many tell them about it.

They may well see "guns strapped on" in future "meetings." 

Now, where did I put that rope??? ......  ML
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Wyomiles on February 01, 2007, 12:20:27 pm
An interesting point made by a fellow FSWer. Here is this guys intro.

http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28030

So he comes from a city, wonder which one, and then calls the kettle black.

By the way if you are interested in the background here is the FSW thread that has him jumping.

http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=3445.msg24592#msg24592
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: NuclearDruid on February 01, 2007, 01:50:53 pm
By the way if you are interested in the background here is the FSW thread that has him jumping.

http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=3445.msg24592#msg24592

Linky no worky for me. Do you have to be a member or some such?

ND
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: MamaLiberty on February 01, 2007, 02:33:35 pm
By the way if you are interested in the background here is the FSW thread that has him jumping.

http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=3445.msg24592#msg24592

Linky no worky for me. Do you have to be a member or some such?

ND

No, that part of the forum is open to everyone. Try it again and PM me if you continue to have a problem. I'm the moderator for that board. ML
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Wyomiles on February 01, 2007, 02:42:57 pm
Well it didn't work for me from here either. I guess I should have checked that out. We have just redone some things over there and maybe links like that are no longer allowed ? ( looks like it only works as long as I'm logged in at both forums, as you can tell I'm not very good at all this tech stuff  :rolleyes: )
So it looks like you will have to sign up to see it all ?

http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php

Towards the bottom see the header :

Discussions not related to FSW :
Politics :
Calling all Crook County people

Or here is the jist of it :

The folks at the county sent out this notice in the local paper.
 
" Calling all Crook County citizens
Crook County Growth and Development is calling all citizens of Crook County for help and input into the direction the county will be taking in the near future. They are organizing a committee comprised of Crook County citizens that will meet periodically and brainstorm on the issues of things such as development, septic tanks, zoning, and other growth issues. Fred Duncan of Growth and Development says its essential citizens provide their two-cents by joining the committee. “We’re hoping to get people from all walks of life who want to have a say in how things are carried out with our new comprehensive growth plan we will be implementing sometime next year,” Duncan said Monday. “Ranchers, teachers, and all other Crook County citizens are urged to join.”
This committee is on a volunteer basis and Duncan says he plans on visiting all parts of the county at least once a month so the committee members don’t have to come to him. “It’s nice to get out of the office every once in a while anyway,” Duncan said. “This committee will have a significant influence on the direction the county will be taking.”
Duncan says the committee can meet in person, by phone, or through e-mail. He said a person only needs a computer or a telephone to be a part of the committee. Duncan will be glad to hear ideas, concerns, and suggestions from the citizens.
The citizens of Crook County often have many thoughts on issues dealing with growth and development and the Growth and Development office is ready and listening. The first meeting will be held January 9, 2007 in the basement of the courthouse and is open to the public. Here’s your chance to be a part of your county development. Remember, if you don’t have anything to say about it now, you can’t say anything about it later.
Citizens are encouraged to contact Fred Duncan or Tim Lyons for further information at the Growth and Development office at 307-283-4548, send them a fax at 307-283-4549, or e-mail them at fredd@crookcounty.wy.gov. Get out there and support your local growth and development."

Several of our members started a thread about going to the meeting, gathering support from others outside the FSW and handing out leaflets. The turnout was good and not expected by the government folks. And since things didn’t go as planned for the statists they weren’t happy.  After the meeting one of the FSW folks was even told his home might blow up.
Here is how the local paper covered the story but  much was left out.

http://www.sundancetimes.com/

So it looks like this could get a lot bigger ?   

Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: MamaLiberty on February 01, 2007, 03:21:57 pm
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Here’s your chance to be a part of your county development. Remember, if you don’t have anything to say about it now, you can’t say anything about it later.

Of course, if you express anything outside their statist agenda you'll be branded a "domestic terrorist" and a subversive... 

As of 01/27 none of those who signed up to be on that "committee" has received anything from the commission. But, the "commissioners" did meet in secret to pass a regulation against anyone further dividing their property. Not sure of the details, but they called it an "emergency" so they didn't have to bother listening to any of us "little people."

These snakes bear watching very closely.  :angry:  ML
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Not a TMM member on February 01, 2007, 04:30:59 pm
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Not a TMM member on February 01, 2007, 05:00:23 pm
Another thing,
I had to laugh when I was thinking about the original post.  More specifically the guy quoted saying something about "The pioneers" in Crook County.
 :laugh:
My Grandfather traveled on and open buckboard from Minnesota to California in the 1888, he was a pioneer.  Even he was in absolute awe of the guys who walked it.
Pompous asses who drive brand new Chevys and live in furnace heated homes insult them all by calling themselves pioneers.
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Wyomiles on February 03, 2007, 07:48:30 am
bucctoo, thanks for the good words. I hope we are on the right track.
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: NuclearDruid on November 30, 2007, 09:40:56 am
ML & Miles, how is your battle with the bureaucrats going?

ND
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 30, 2007, 10:13:35 am
ML & Miles, how is your battle with the bureaucrats going?

Since I live in Weston county, not Crook, I have not been much involved over there (about 50 miles to Sundance from here). Some of the folks have urged me to run for county commissioner here, but that's just not ever going to happen.

Quite aside from the fact that I'm a complete anarchist and have no use for any of it, I would not have any support for a campaign of eliminating all county programs and the property taxes. I might get one vote... if I voted, which I don't... so you can see the problems and contradictions. LOL

I'll fight them any day, but I'll be damned if I'll join them!
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Wyomiles on December 01, 2007, 12:46:01 am
I am not on the ground there either. There hasn't been much talk about it lately . I think there was a lot af action that followed your heads up. As info got out into the public several locals responded on our side. The local "news" seemed to back the powers that be. One FSW member in particular spent time in public meetings and had some success. Then the meetings started being held at different times etc. to give the advantage to those who want to keep control. The battle continues I am sure but as I have said it has been quiet. I'll have to ask the question over at FSW at get an update.
(Ok, I just posted and we will see what happens)
By the way Boston has changed some of the rules to membership  over there so come over and see whats up. :mellow:
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Wyomiles on December 06, 2007, 03:13:59 pm
Yep, it's been pretty quiet.
But as we all know it's only a matter of time before they try something new.
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: padre29 on December 06, 2007, 03:16:04 pm
Yep, it's been pretty quiet.
But as we all know it's only a matter of time before they try something new.

Hey Miles, how are things over at FSW?
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: Wyomiles on December 06, 2007, 03:27:14 pm
Howdy Padre, we are still there, still working on things. At our 2007 JAM we had a band and a newspaper reporter join us and he wrote up a nice article about the JAM. Seems like we have had a few local folks come and check out the forum since then and a few have joined up. Several members have made the move this year and set up homes and businesses. There are already plans being made for JAM 08 if any of you all are interested. There is also a get together planned on Dec 15th, a costume party. The Wyoming Ron Paul folks will be invited to join us too.

By the way the library ,which you so kindly help start, is still growing , thanks again for your support !  Take care !
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: MamaLiberty on December 06, 2007, 03:32:41 pm
See this for the latest membership information. We're always looking for a few more freedom folks. :)
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=5286.0
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: padre29 on December 06, 2007, 04:09:49 pm
Howdy Padre, we are still there, still working on things. At our 2007 JAM we had a band and a newspaper reporter join us and he wrote up a nice article about the JAM. Seems like we have had a few local folks come and check out the forum since then and a few have joined up. Several members have made the move this year and set up homes and businesses. There are already plans being made for JAM 08 if any of you all are interested. There is also a get together planned on Dec 15th, a costume party. The Wyoming Ron Paul folks will be invited to join us too.

By the way the library ,which you so kindly help start, is still growing , thanks again for your support !  Take care !

That is good news Wyomiles!
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: FDD on November 03, 2015, 09:22:11 am
So did this quieted down, or did the PTB get their way?

Is Mr. Duncan win? or is he gone?
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 03, 2015, 12:12:41 pm
The 2015 Jamboree was canceled, pretty much due to lack of interest. If there were other reasons, they were not shared at the forum. I don't know if there will be any interest in a "Jam" for 2016, but a few are starting to talk about it.
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: FDD on November 03, 2015, 12:18:57 pm
I was asking about the BS with a Mr. Duncan and Sundance/Crook county.
Title: Re: Heads up FSW'rs
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 03, 2015, 01:04:42 pm
I was asking about the BS with a Mr. Duncan and Sundance/Crook county.

I don't remember anything about that. Maybe DF can tell us.