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Title: Services and Items sought by Claire Wolfe
Post by: Claire on March 12, 2007, 07:06:09 pm
If you've recently bought a new digital camera and have your old one sitting around unused, maybe I could give it a good home -- especially if it's one that can potentially interface with a Linux computer.

My camera just quit talking to my computer, and before that it spoke only Windows.

A swap for books or payment in silver is possible. PM me and tell me what you've got. Maybe we can deal.
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 15, 2007, 01:20:04 am
Er uh.....do you know of a linux friendly camera that can be acquired local to you?
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Claire on March 15, 2007, 08:03:42 am
Er uh.....do you know of a linux friendly camera that can be acquired local to you?

Nope. I don't. I just figured I'd see what people had to offer, then research that particular camera's capabilities. And the Linux part isn't a necessity, since I have a backup W****s machine I can use to download photos from a camera. Linux capability would just be nice.

BTW, thank you to the three people who PMed me. Two of the deals weren't right for various reasons. I did arrange a book swap with one kind person for a cool digital camera-binocular device. (That's going to be fun!) But I'm still hoping for a regular camera. Doesn't have to be anything fancy. In fact, fancy would be wasted on me.
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Dare2BFree on March 15, 2007, 08:05:24 am
I have an Olympus C4000 (not for grabs) that works just fine with Ubuntu....I just plugged it in and everything was recognized.  I did not use the Olympus software since I never used it to begin with.
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Plinker-MS on March 20, 2007, 12:19:40 pm
Linux will work with most digital cameras.  I use digiKam on the one I have.

There are some cameras that do not have compatible linux software.  My solution for these is to buy an appropriate USB card-reader device, pop the (SD, CF, Memory stick, what-have-you) card out of the camera, insert it in the reader, and get my pictures that way.

Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: oldmouse on March 20, 2007, 11:57:27 pm
kodak dx 3500?
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on March 24, 2007, 09:25:35 pm
I too might be interested in "one that's just lying around"...
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: merlin419 on April 22, 2007, 03:31:57 am
I just wanted to know how the search has gone. I am looking for one but will probably be getting one from work. I will be doing a lot this summer in my area as a special project...kinda falls into my preps.  :ph34r:
Title: Services and Items Offered by Claire Wolfe
Post by: Claire on May 29, 2007, 01:33:04 pm
OFFERED:

Two firearms-training DVDs from Paladin Press (see titles and reviews here (http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wolfe0609.html)). Value new: $100. They were my review copies, each watched one time.

I'll send these to the person who posts (in this thread and in 100 words or less) the most creative reason why he or she should be the recipient.

You have one week to make up your lies excuses stories. Have at it.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Dull'Hawk on May 29, 2007, 02:00:59 pm
Since I carry guns (plural) with me every day, everwhere I go, it is a shame that I have no training.  I should have access to those fine DVDs to keep me from being a continuing danger to myself and others.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: FreeTraveler on May 29, 2007, 04:03:52 pm
Since my DW and myself are retiring in less than a month and getting ready to travel the US dragging our home along behind us, we've decided it's time to quit assuming we're in a "safe place" and arm ourselves for our travels, wherever we may end up.  The last thing this country needs is two "old hippies" who haven't handled a gun in years driving around, toked up, and armed, with no instruction.  Do the world a favor, the next RV that passes you on the road could be ours.

P.S. I figure if 'Hawk hasn't shot himself or somebody else by now, they'd just be wasted on him.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: canaan on May 29, 2007, 06:51:32 pm
Young, naive, I joined the Marine Corps to serve my country. I served during the Viet Nam era. My motto is still God, Corps and country... in that order.

I spent 7 years working for the IRS. I helped out Joe Taxpayer, the fellow who couldn’t afford an attorney, being as human and humane and getting ‘him’ through the audit.

The last 9 years I’ve worked for the largest credit card company - home of the 32.98% interest rate. I help customers get back to a realistic interest rate ~less than 5% APR.

I’m a career mole.

Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Simon_Jester on May 29, 2007, 07:09:23 pm
Well, shoot. When it comes right down to it, I have an entire family that needs to view these and learn to walk the walk. Wife, kids and the old man could use more knowledge to protect themselves, since the nearest city to us is currently going down the tubes and is looking to pass Detroit in the murder category. Add in the fact that I lived overseas since my teenage years and currently have a file with TPTB the size of a novel, it becomes fairly obvious that I need a lot more training.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Thunder on May 29, 2007, 09:13:05 pm
I have a cat.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: redclay on May 30, 2007, 06:15:40 am
Claire, re. the Louis Awerbuck video you are offering, we have it at home and it is a very good primer for those who have had no experience with the shotgun, esp. for home protection purposes - for those who have had his classes, it is a timely review for his next classes...

I like your personal comments on Louis (pronounced Loo-eee) and recommend to any of the CFers that can manage to link up with his yearly travelling shooting classes across the US, to definitely do it. (www.yfa.com) (I think that is the website) His in-person instruction can help tailor what you brung to shoot, as they say, to your personal shooting stature and style (if any).

Louis doesn't deride you for what you choose to defend your life with - he merely gives you the good and the bad about your choice of weaponry and helps you under stress to handle it better and fix it on the spot if he can and/or at least diagnose any problems with you may have.  Better yet, he even helps you learn how to move to get away from deadly situations, the better choice if you have any at all.

I say all this because I found that Louis had been holding classes yearly at a shooting club thirty minutes from our home in the eastern US for most of the past 20 yrs. - and when i found out five years ago started a yearly pilgrimage for a class in either rifle, pistol or shotgun. I got my wife involved in the classes three years ago and we just completed Louis's rifle class weekend before last.

The comments about some being overwhelmed by the experience reflects my wife's experience the first time in class, not knowing a lot about pistol shooting (pistol 1 class) - she said she was stressed by the class at the beginning but stuck it out and it got better,she said, by the second day and she was enjoying the shooting by the end of the class. Shotgun is more physically demanding, but she and her Remington 1100 20 ga. youth model (Louis recommended this for her due to her shorter arms prob. not being able to work the pump action shotguns as well) did well in the shotgun class last year.

Bottom line, as Louis is fond of saying, is that his videos are worth watching, but his classes are the best deal going, esp. if you happen to be near where his travelling school is coming to. Thanks, Claire for offering a taste of what we all need, more critical practice and instruction. rgds, redclay 5/30/07
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: cowardly lion on May 30, 2007, 06:37:04 am
I'm interested in the shotgun defense video (well, both, really) because the wife and I have a short-barrelled shotgun for home defense but we've not had training, and I can tell you from first hand experience that trying to give a loved one training in *anything* is a *very* bad idea   :-)   so a professional's instruction would be a big help.

cl
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Swami Rabbitima on May 30, 2007, 06:51:50 am
Because I can tunnel through an elephant...
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: saltydog on May 30, 2007, 06:59:02 am
Training is like chocolates - you can never get enough and you always want more - the darker the better.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Pagan on May 30, 2007, 02:10:29 pm
Not creative reasons, but the truth:

I live an essentially quiet life, and try to anticipate what goes on around me, so I don’t get into dangerous situations I can’t handle. But as much as I target shoot in order to be accurate and prepared, I know I’m not ready or strong enough for an attack, and can’t be sure at all how I would handle one. I’ve been practicing up close for just this reason, and am especially interested in the Combative Pistol DVD.

Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: kel on May 30, 2007, 07:16:10 pm
Due to current circumstances, I no longer own any videos. Or a television. Or, for that matter, a house. Starting tomorrow I will be living in the back of my old truck on 5 paid-for acres. A friend has generously offered the use of a TV/DVD combo which should run on my 400 watt inverter. If I had the training videos, I would likely be inspired to resurrect my long neglected "Jiffy-Pop over the campfire" skills. So, not only would the videos be good training tools in themselves, they would also cause me to polish other skills which have been neglected. A win-win situation if ever there was one! :laugh:

kel
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Jac on May 30, 2007, 07:43:04 pm
Because anyone else at TCF would probably, irresponsibly, allow children to view these vile videos of violence. I would make sure they were kept in a safe, with locks on them, to safeguard any curious children from the inherent danger.

You should send them to me... FOR THE CHILDREN.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Not a TMM member on May 30, 2007, 07:57:38 pm
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: henshawe on May 30, 2007, 08:33:00 pm
G'Day All,

Since I am the Official Outlaw/Bad Guy I feel these DVD's should be forwarded to my care in order to assist me in retraining my shooting handedness.  Since I am right dominate and that hand is crippled up, I am unable to use a hand gun therefore I must start the process of retraining myself to shoot left handed. These training materials will motivate me to begin this retraining process, plus it will provide the solace of loud/bang noise therapy to control my absolute frustration with the direction this country is going. Thank you very much, Claire, for your support.

Yer Friend...

Regards,

Americus
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Ian on May 30, 2007, 08:50:05 pm
You should send them to me, Claire, because I suck with a shotgun. But more importantly, you should do it because after I watch them, I'll send them on to another person here on the condition that they do the same thing. Thus allowing a bunch of TCFers to access the info, rather than just one.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Jac on May 30, 2007, 09:23:23 pm
You should send them to me, Claire, because I suck with a shotgun. But more importantly, you should do it because after I watch them, I'll send them on to another person here on the condition that they do the same thing. Thus allowing a bunch of TCFers to access the info, rather than just one.
Y'know, that's not a bad idea...

(But send them to Ian last... he breaks stuff ^_^)
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Kramjam on May 31, 2007, 01:09:08 am
I need the training because this is my wife's niece:

(http://www.maximonline.com/hotties/images/2006/7019_L1.jpg)

She was one of the finalists of Maxims Hometown Hotties 2006 and my daughters, though only a few years younger, are just as cute.

Please help!
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: canaan on May 31, 2007, 07:29:49 pm
+1 on Ian's idea!    I vow to pass the DVDs on as well.  Share the wealth.

I think KRAMJAM is cheating  (a picture is worth a thousand words... therefore disqualified as over the 100 word limit...


or, if it's true, I'll chip in to buy him ammo to go along with the videos... good hunting Kramjam...
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Jac on May 31, 2007, 08:27:13 pm
I need the training because this is my wife's niece:

http://www.maximonline.com/hotties/images/2006/7019_L1.jpg

She was one of the finalists of Maxims Hometown Hotties 2006 and my daughters, though only a few years younger, are just as cute.

Please help!

If I get it, I'll trade ya... :icon_pirat:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Kramjam on June 01, 2007, 01:31:05 am
+1 on Ian's idea!    I vow to pass the DVDs on as well.  Share the wealth.

I think KRAMJAM is cheating  (a picture is worth a thousand words... therefore disqualified as over the 100 word limit...


or, if it's true, I'll chip in to buy him ammo to go along with the videos... good hunting Kramjam...

Thanks, I'll need it!
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: motherbatherick on June 02, 2007, 12:44:37 am
Claire, you should send them to me because, according to the <ahem> "Internets", I am "The Greatest TCFer EVER."
http://www.google.com/search?q=motherbatherick&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Redmist on June 04, 2007, 10:29:47 am
Knock, Knock.

Who's there?

BATFE! 

(Maybe it's no longer "too early", Claire)

Redmist
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Claire on June 04, 2007, 01:41:57 pm
Knock, Knock.

Who's there?

BATFE! 

The ATF still knocks? How quaint of them.


Some very creative reasons here, folks. It would be a hard, hard decision to make.

To make this a win-win, I'm thinking that Ian's creative share-the-wealth proposal may be the way to go. Only problem is, that means that anyone who wants to view the DVDs will have to trust the previous person with an address (not necessarily your own address; just an address. Willing?
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Dull'Hawk on June 04, 2007, 02:00:03 pm
Since my campaign "outed" me pretty badly, it isn't any problem for me.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: FreeTraveler on June 04, 2007, 02:23:21 pm
To make this a win-win, I'm thinking that Ian's creative share-the-wealth proposal may be the way to go. Only problem is, that means that anyone who wants to view the DVDs will have to trust the previous person with an address (not necessarily your own address; just an address. Willing?

No problem here with passing on my address to someone, but I have a different one. We'll be leaving our mailing address on June 29, and anything we receive after that date will have to be sent from there to where ever we are on the road.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: cowardly lion on June 04, 2007, 02:56:16 pm
No problem with a PO box for me, whoever passes them my direction can just PM me for the box number . . . .

cl
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: kel on June 04, 2007, 03:18:22 pm
I don't have an address at the moment, but there are 2 or 3 people that will pass stuff to me.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Heartless on June 04, 2007, 03:55:22 pm
Jeremy has a dream: To be the greatest lightmaker for the greatest west coast rock band, RebelFire.

But what can he do? He's just a kid. A kid trapped in a prison-like school. Trapped in a world where dreams are “treated” with drugs – and roving patrols make sure you take your dose.

Trapped in the Zone, where travel without a permit is impossible. Trapped under the all-controlling eye of spycams, sensors, and monitors.

Trapped by the chip in his wrist that regulates everything Jeremy can – or can't – do.

Trapped in a world where some far-off control freak can even decide what music you're allowed – or forbidden – to hear.

Jeremy's only choice is to shut up and do as he's ordered


.....unless of course he receives some firearms training...... ^_^

And I would be happy to "pay it forward".

By the way Claire, I've clicked on Backwoods' site about 100 times today - where is it ?!  I'm Jones'n here!


Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: velojym on June 04, 2007, 04:53:05 pm
Here's where velo cheats...
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1104/530450538_d14f289476.jpg?v=0)

Daddy needs to learn so he can teach Zoe, as her life is really worth defending.
Also, Claire already has my address... I can ship it to the next stop.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Ian on June 04, 2007, 08:22:49 pm
Plenty of sneaky ways around address issues.  :ph34r: Not a problem for me.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Redmist on June 05, 2007, 06:42:14 am
Sharing the training videos is a good idea. I'm in.

In the early 90's I arranged for Awerbuck to conduct training in my town. Good teacher. He and his wife are engaging people, and my wife agrees with you, Claire...he's not hard to look at or listen to.   

Redmist
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: A Nonny Mouse on June 05, 2007, 07:10:00 am
I realize the dealine for entries is over, but if we're going to be passing the videos around I'd like to add my name to the list. I need to learn some skills so I can teach certain varmits that the phrase "winner winner chicken dinner" does not apply to them!   :angry:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Pagan on June 05, 2007, 07:40:05 am
Claire:
Quote
To make this a win-win, I'm thinking that Ian's creative share-the-wealth proposal may be the way to go. Only problem is, that means that anyone who wants to view the DVDs will have to trust the previous person with an address (not necessarily your own address; just an address. Willing?

I'd be willing to share and pass it on. But...

Ian:
Quote
Plenty of sneaky ways around address issues.

I'd have to bone up on those sneaky ways first.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on June 06, 2007, 01:40:06 am
If we're sharing like that,  put me on the list...
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: iloilo on June 06, 2007, 07:07:10 am
Please put me on the list, too.
I'd be really happy to have a chance to view these.
The usual PM me for a mailing address when my name comes up on the share list.
Great idea, Ian!
Thank you Claire!
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: azcoyote on June 08, 2007, 01:31:18 am
I'm really pissed! I submitted my entry last week and it's not here!

It was an abbreviated intro of what could be the novel of the century, even if it was a bit over 100 words. You shoulda seen the first draft! It was about a woman in the Arid Lands of the former Free Land of Columbia who sets off to be instructed in the art of freedom and resistence by the mysterious Veiled Lady of Hardyville. Worthy at least of a Pulitzer if not the Nobel.

Seriously, I thought I had a contender but it's somewhere out in the ether, I guess.

I'd be willing to borrow the videos and send them on. I'm enough "in the system" that my address is not that big a deal. From the amount of junk mail and telemarketing calls I get, EVERYBODY knows me. I could be descrete in sending them on to the next person, tho.

I still haven't yet seen who the winner is. Claire, could I resubmit after the deadline? Or could you just admit that I am the most creative, wonderful writer--after you, of course--and declare me the winner? Do I get suckup points?

Thunder--having a cat is a very good reason why you should win. But I have 2 and a stray that I feed. My trips beat your ace.

Coyote
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: canaan on June 08, 2007, 06:43:06 am
Quote
Thunder--having a cat is a very good reason why you should win. But I have 2 and a stray that I feed. My trips beat your ace.

My cat is trying to assassinate me, I need the dvds for the tactical advantage
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: canaan on June 12, 2007, 05:55:49 pm


Did anyone win?


http://www.gahanwilson.com/pbc1ithinkiwon.htm


Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Claire on June 19, 2007, 06:57:18 pm
Thank you, canaan for the ... er, gentle reminder.

Yes ... everybody won. But between that and my limited Net time, that made it complicated for me to announce The Official Plan. But my arse is finally in gear. So here it is.

IAN ... gets the DVDs first; his share the wealth plan might not have had the panache some of your more creative pleas had. But it made a lot of sense. Ian, I'll mail the DVDS to you this week.

So here's the deal. Everybody who asked will get on the list to view the DVDs, and I'll post the send order below. The first six after Ian I chose for creativity, charm & all those other things I first proposed to judge on. After that, the list goes in chronological order (based on when you made a request). I did bump azcoyote forward a bit because her original post went into the ether.

Will everybody please promise to keep the DVDs for no more than two weeks, then send them onward to the next person? Outlaw's honor?

Anyhow, here goes. The first person on the list sends to the second, the second to the third, etc. If you don't want to give your address to a certain person, well ... figure something out.

1. Ian
2. Velojym (who cheated with the pic of Zoe; hey, cheating works some times, just ask any politician)
3. Heartless (who cleverly appealed to my writerly vanity; and really, that was funny)
4. Dull'Hawk (because we need to save the world from him)
5. canaan (because the cat threat is so truly dire)
6. Jac (because of course we must do something FOR THE CHILDREN)
7. Kel (because movies MUST have popcorn!)

Then in chronological order of request:

8. Simon Jester
9. Thunder (who almost got bumped higher; that cat threat is really serious)
10. cowardly lion
11. azcoyote
12. Swami Rabbitima
13. saltydog
14. Pagan
15. Henshawe
16. Kramjam
17. motherbatherick
18. Redmist
19. A Nonny Mouse
20. Roy J. Tellason
21. feralfae
22. Leonidas
23. gooch

If I missed anybody, please speak up!

It'll be interesting to see if the DVDs make it to everyone on the list and don't get stuck endlessly on someone's desk. That would really show that there is truly honor among Outlaws. Remember: Two weeks, then send them onward, please.

Claire
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Ian on June 19, 2007, 08:34:55 pm
Cool! Thanks, Claire!
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: FreeTraveler on June 20, 2007, 10:18:11 am

7. freetraveler


You can drop me off the list for now. We're leaving Florida 6/29, with visits to Michigan and Kentucky before we go to Oregon 8/8 to pick up our 5er... then we have 5 months to get back to Florida for a visit, so getting a package to us will be a little tough.  Thanks for the offer anyway!
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Claire on June 20, 2007, 02:00:51 pm
Okay ... DVDs are now officially in the mail to Ian.

Also, I amended the recipient list. Dropped freetraveler (enjoy your trip, friend). That actually worked out well because yesterday I had unintentionally dropped kel from near the top of the recipients' list. ACK. That was a particularly unfortunate screwup, since kel once did something very nice for me. (The cats must have made me do it.)

Anyhow, all fixed now and my apologies to kel.

A SUGGESTION:  As soon as you receive the DVDs, contact the next person on the list and get their address. This should help avoid any delays in sending the movies onward, and will also alert people to who's got the films now and when they're likely to recieve them.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: kel on June 20, 2007, 02:07:14 pm
Apologies accepted, and thanks. :mellow:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Leonidas the Younger on July 06, 2007, 08:03:51 am
Uh ...

Erm ...

Help?

I didn't see this thread till today, cause I so little come into this part of the forum.

Can I be added to that list?

Pretty please?

With a .30-06 shell on top?

-- Leonidas
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: PintofStout on July 10, 2007, 03:15:05 pm
I have an older camera that just got replaced.  I'll check the model and stuff to post it when I get home.  If you still need one, I'll send it out for nothing or shipping.

Update: I have an Olympus D-550.  3 Megapixels with a 16 MB SmartMedia Card.  I have no idea how much this will be to ship, but if you want it, I'll send it.  Roy, if you are looking to tinker, I have another camera that was dropped and doesn't take/store pictures anymore.
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Fjolnirsson on July 10, 2007, 11:28:09 pm
I've been idly looking around for a standard film camera, and I'm seeing quite a bit of digital stuff on Craigslist, in the $50-$150 range. Yo might check it out, I've seen some down in the $30 range for the cheaper models...
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on July 11, 2007, 03:26:02 am
I have an older camera that just got replaced.  I'll check the model and stuff to post it when I get home.  If you still need one, I'll send it out for nothing or shipping.

Update: I have an Olympus D-550.  3 Megapixels with a 16 MB SmartMedia Card.  I have no idea how much this will be to ship, but if you want it, I'll send it.  Roy, if you are looking to tinker, I have another camera that was dropped and doesn't take/store pictures anymore.

I wasn't,  really,  as I haven't done much with cameras at all,  though that's gotta be better than the one I have sitting here that was saturated with water...

Maybe that other one if it's available.  My interest at this point is getting some pix of stuff to stick on the web,  so my requirements are pretty modest.  We'll see what works out...
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: NuclearDruid on July 11, 2007, 08:52:02 am
I've been idly looking around for a standard film camera, and I'm seeing quite a bit of digital stuff on Craigslist, in the $50-$150 range.

Are you looking for a 35 mm?

ND
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: PintofStout on July 11, 2007, 12:10:08 pm
I have an older camera that just got replaced.  I'll check the model and stuff to post it when I get home.  If you still need one, I'll send it out for nothing or shipping.

Update: I have an Olympus D-550.  3 Megapixels with a 16 MB SmartMedia Card.  I have no idea how much this will be to ship, but if you want it, I'll send it.  Roy, if you are looking to tinker, I have another camera that was dropped and doesn't take/store pictures anymore.

I wasn't,  really,  as I haven't done much with cameras at all,  though that's gotta be better than the one I have sitting here that was saturated with water...

Maybe that other one if it's available.  My interest at this point is getting some pix of stuff to stick on the web,  so my requirements are pretty modest.  We'll see what works out...


Roy,
I guess Claire may have first dibbs since she started the thread, but if we don't hear from her (don't know how often she is checking in these days) I'll see what i can do to get it to you.
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on July 16, 2007, 02:02:23 am
I have an older camera that just got replaced.  I'll check the model and stuff to post it when I get home.  If you still need one, I'll send it out for nothing or shipping.

Update: I have an Olympus D-550.  3 Megapixels with a 16 MB SmartMedia Card.  I have no idea how much this will be to ship, but if you want it, I'll send it.  Roy, if you are looking to tinker, I have another camera that was dropped and doesn't take/store pictures anymore.

I wasn't,  really,  as I haven't done much with cameras at all,  though that's gotta be better than the one I have sitting here that was saturated with water...

Maybe that other one if it's available.  My interest at this point is getting some pix of stuff to stick on the web,  so my requirements are pretty modest.  We'll see what works out...


Roy,
I guess Claire may have first dibbs since she started the thread, but if we don't hear from her (don't know how often she is checking in these days) I'll see what i can do to get it to you.

Cool.  Email is probably best,  since I'm not checking in here as often as I used to,  all sorts of things taking up my time these days...
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: oldmouse on July 16, 2007, 11:52:07 pm
can kel bring it to me for a day or two?
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: velojym on July 17, 2007, 12:03:11 am
I see Heartless only posted 4 times and disappeared. If you're still around, PM me your address... otherwise, whomever's next in line needs to let me know.
We'll give it a day or three, but I'll need to send it somewhere...
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Not a TMM member on July 17, 2007, 02:19:12 am
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: velojym on July 17, 2007, 11:26:50 am
Hey. I already have the vids. I just don't want to send them to dev/null.

...and so long as she doesn't do any cheek piercing, Zoe likes having 'em squeezed. It makes her laugh.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: canaan on July 17, 2007, 06:42:29 pm
I think DULLHAWK is next after HEARTLESS

Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: velojym on July 18, 2007, 12:55:29 am
Whaddaya think, 'hawk? If you'll give me an address, I'll just send 'em to you, unless I get word otherwise from either Heartless or Claire.

PM on its way.

Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Claire on July 25, 2007, 02:52:22 pm
I'm sorry, PintofStout! I got my camera a month or two ago and forgot to post that I had! Then I missed everything else in this thread. It's kind of you to keep first dibs for me. But I'm all set.

And thank you once again to you-know-who for helping.

Claire
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: Plinker-MS on July 26, 2007, 01:54:01 pm
I'm sorry, PintofStout! I got my camera a month or two ago and forgot to post that I had! Then I missed everything else in this thread. It's kind of you to keep first dibs for me. But I'm all set.

And thank you once again to you-know-who for helping.

Claire

Yikes!   Claire just got a camera from Voldemort!  :ph34r:

Don't let her take your picture....
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Kramjam on August 05, 2007, 11:36:49 pm
Wow, slow going, eh?  I can wait...
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: velojym on August 06, 2007, 12:29:51 pm
Sorry, folks. My Grandma passed away last week, but I'll send the DVDs when I return home.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: da gooch on August 06, 2007, 03:31:13 pm
Claire, Velojym, Feralfae

Whom-ever is in possession of the dvd's ...

Can you add my name to the list right behind Leonidas ?

Thanks,


I would have never won on creativity.  Now BS I can do .....   :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: rick on August 19, 2007, 10:20:17 am
Anyway, most digital cameras have memory cards which can be removed. Use a card reader which works like a detachable drive and most cards can be read by any OS you might dream up. Cheap solution and versatile. That was my way to establich communicatio between SuSE 9.2 and windoze partitions. SuSE can't write on Windoze formatted drives, Win can't read any Linux, but both can read and write on these cards.
Title: TCF
Post by: Claire on August 20, 2007, 01:18:30 pm
FOR SALE -- The Claire Files Forums

Please PM me with your offer or serious inquiry. The best offer will be for a modest amount of money + a good plan for keeping TCF a site for useful, high-quality discussion.

Only fixed requirement: The name must be changed immediately upon transfer of ownership.

I never intended to be in the business of running a forum; it's time to pass this operation along to someone who's online more and has a good vision for the place.

Cheers,
Claire

P.S. I'll try to respond within two days to queries.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bill St. Clair on August 20, 2007, 02:01:39 pm
Claire,

Do you require that the domain change, too, from tcftalk.com to something else? TCF could stand for The Cost of Freedom, for example (to name the first thing that popped into my head). Domain names aren't hard to change, but it does take a while to convince the search engines to walk the new domain.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on August 20, 2007, 02:15:27 pm
*grin*......almost sounds like "The Price of Liberty"
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 21, 2007, 01:21:27 pm

If a long term member who is knowledgable in things internet needs some financial help, pm me.

I've got some spare loot lying around and i like TCF..or POF or whatever....
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on August 21, 2007, 04:09:24 pm

If a long term member who is knowledgable in things internet needs some financial help, pm me.

I've got some spare loot lying around and i like TCF..or POF or whatever....
That might be an option generally worthy of consideration. For someone with the vision and expertise, who met Claire's approval, I too would be willing and able to contribute financially to make the deal fly.  Heck, I'd even volunteer to be a universally maligned moderator if the need arose. And if the tcftalk.com could be kept, I'd vote for The Challenge of Freedom, by the way.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 21, 2007, 09:05:30 pm

Having not even enough "money" to buy myself a load of trouble I suggest .....

Let us find a Patron for this site and Then worry about a new name.
Or a translation of the name using the same letters.

Claire,

Is there anything I can do ?
Other than purchase the site which I am totally unable to do either monetarily or technically.
I can navigate across thousands of miles of open ocean but the stereo cables win every time.
I can make a sailboat go where it is supposed to go but a driver download gives me the willies.
[Nerd I am NOT BUT willing to Help I am .....]

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Thunder on August 21, 2007, 09:11:53 pm
Heck, I'd even volunteer to be a universally maligned moderator if the need arose.

Having done that, I would wish that on no one.   :laugh:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: penguinsscareme on August 21, 2007, 10:23:51 pm
Maybe the membership needs to band together to effect the purchase?  I'm in for $20 or so.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 21, 2007, 10:42:29 pm
Maybe the membership needs to band together to effect the purchase?  I'm in for $20 or so.

I can match that

BUT

I haven't the first CLUE as to how to maintain a website ... Heck I can barely post on one ....  :rolleyes:


Claire,

Would you still remain as a posting member ? ?
[Honored Madre ? From the Dune series]

I hope you took that as a funny as it was meant......
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 21, 2007, 11:04:27 pm
Maybe the membership needs to band together to effect the purchase?  I'm in for $20 or so.

I can match that

BUT

I haven't the first CLUE as to how to maintain a website ... Heck I can barely post on one ....  :rolleyes:


Claire,

Would you still remain as a posting member ? ?
[Honored Madre ? From the Dune series]

I hope you took that as a funny as it was meant......

Claire is not only looking for a few dollars, but also for a vision for TCF as well.

The demi goddess is not going to hand over the keys to the kingdom to just anyone ya know, :laugh:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: yorick on August 22, 2007, 09:48:12 am
tcftalk.com worth almost 6 grand according to these folks: Domain name appraisal (http://www.dnscoop.com/?site=tcftalk.com")
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 22, 2007, 10:02:31 am
tcftalk.com worth almost 6 grand according to these folks: Domain name appraisal (http://www.dnscoop.com/?site=tcftalk.com")

Don't forget Yorick, a name change is part of the package, that will push down the value.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: username on August 22, 2007, 10:22:06 am
I have owned an Internet Datacenter and hosting company for the past 13 years. I am not a long term member but would be willing to offer a potential home. I currently host www.assaultweb.net .

I wouldn't ask many questions, plus would be willing to explore options such as setting up a secure intranet that is 100% isolated with VPN access.

Just some thoughts.

Username
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on August 22, 2007, 12:09:18 pm
Quote
tcftalk.com worth almost 6 grand according to these folks: Domain name appraisal

In my not so humble opinion the value of TCF is not in it's name......but instead in the people who inhabit this place......

Take away the name and it'd still have value........but take away the people and well I'll leave others to decide......


Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on August 22, 2007, 12:24:16 pm
Right, Zoot.

I'm in for $20--$100.

Are we creating a group effort?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 22, 2007, 12:34:27 pm
Tell me where to send it Junker........

Zoot ....

Well Said.
We could call this place THAT LIBERTY PLACE * and it would still only be as good as the folks who use, share and discuss [read: argue .... ahem] our thoughts and ideas on it.


Somehow I'm thinking [HEY watch the wise cracks] that the money is not the main reason the TDGOF is interested in getting out from under.
This was started by a couple of her fans [Blessings be upon them] and it blossomed into what it is today. [w/no help from Me. BTW]
She, TDGOF, came into the ownership circle when the originators stepped out of the picture.
[She was KINDA forced into it because it is Her Name on the Letter Head ..... hence the name change stipulation]

username,

You really need to PM TDGOF to make any offers.
It is she who will decide and the rest of us will accept her choice and honor her right.

[lame humor]
["No you cannot sell your own possession that even has your own personal name attached to it. Humph, The Nerve ......"]
[end lame humor]

{begin trepidation}
I'm Personally Concerned about losing the contact and access I've gained to the TDGOF and the rest of you gun nut wackos err um liberty minded individualists.
{end trepidation}

Could we agree on a contact point, place or site IF   [knock, knock, knock {whisper "don't let that happen" whisper} ] this place goes away ?

I am looking at TuathNet (http://tuathnetwork.com/) by eukreign and

Assaultweb (http://www.assaultweb.net/) by username.

Any other suggestions ?







* Probably not a good idea .....   it might get confused with that other LP site.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 22, 2007, 01:12:25 pm
Right, Zoot.

I'm in for $20--$100.

Are we creating a group effort?

I'm in of course!

The thing of it is, we need not only money, but vision and technical expertise to run the place and keeping the lights on.

The folks are what makes TCF so great, talk about ecletic, and freedom oriented.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: slidemansailor on August 22, 2007, 01:18:23 pm
Gunna be tough to do as a committee.

I already saw a good offer for hosting and technical expertise and another for [one of the] moderator.  Missing are financier, manager and visionary.  Probably the latter is what this opportunity calls for the most.  The other two will follow.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Claire on August 22, 2007, 02:09:32 pm
I'm glad to see old timers and long-time friends thinking creatively about this. Thank you all.

To answer a question or two, no the domain name tcftalk.com wouldn't have to be changed. As long as the forum name is changed to something that doesn't state or imply my involvement, I'm happy.

But I do plan to remain involved. Perhaps (can't promise) even more than I am now, since I won't feel that being here is a duty.

Best,
Claire

P.S. Interesting info on the worth of domain names, yorkick. Whodathunkit?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on August 22, 2007, 02:12:35 pm
While I'm typing....a visitation...

Thanks, Claire.
- - -


slidemansailor: Gunna be tough to do as a committee.

Agree.
- - -


Bill St.Clair already does everything-- his own site (http://www.billstclair.com), where he mirrors half the interesting freedom world (well, not quite half:-) including the old Wolfe's Lodge, his own blog (End the War on Freedom (http://www.billstclair.com/blog)), his own AnCap (http://billstclair.com/wiki) wiki, and already does the tech here and at Wolfekipedia (http://www.tcftalk.com/wiki/Wolfekipedia).

He seems the best situated to continue the forum. Running cost is small (see his Cheap Hosting (http://billstclair.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cheap_Hosting)), but can be helped by me (my site is ~$6/mo) or several of us.

And I just talked with him about how to make a forum dbase publicly copiable so anyone could do a flounce and split with a copy of the whole forum to their own site (and run their own chances...freedom to starve).

Maybe that'll do. Collect as much fern as we can for TADGOF's continuing life/work, then go forth and multiply. Prolly do fern collection via Bill too as he's not a ghost type.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on August 22, 2007, 02:17:46 pm
Quote
Missing are financier, manager and visionary.  Probably the latter is what this opportunity calls for the most.

If no one else will step up as visionary, I'll do it.........with a little help from both my friends and those folks whom I don't particularly like too much.........and in fact would propose a new section thus that folks could give both direct and public feedback as to direction of this place for open discussion...........
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on August 22, 2007, 02:54:51 pm
gooch> Tell me where to send it Junker........

Thx.

gooch> Zoot .... Well Said.

Yup. He's a main stay.

gooch> Could we agree on a contact point, place or site .... Any other suggestions ?

Traditionally: mmm... can't find the link... ahh...

LoadingBench.com (http://www.LoadingBench.com) by Plinker-MS...did fine work for us when
this site went down for a bit (still thanks, Plink).
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Midnight Blue on August 22, 2007, 03:15:59 pm
I have owned an Internet Datacenter and hosting company for the past 13 years. I am not a long term member but would be willing to offer a potential home. I currently host www.assaultweb.net .

I wouldn't ask many questions, plus would be willing to explore options such as setting up a secure intranet that is 100% isolated with VPN access.

Just some thoughts.

Username

Wow! I just joined your site a few weeks ago thanks to a member from there. I like it.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: debra on August 22, 2007, 03:16:43 pm
Please note that domain registration of TCFTalk.com (which is currently in my name as a leftover from when I was an admin/owner) would need to be transferred to someone else.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 22, 2007, 03:30:59 pm
Quote
Missing are financier, manager and visionary.  Probably the latter is what this opportunity calls for the most.

If no one else will step up as visionary, I'll do it.........with a little help from both my friends and those folks whom I don't particularly like too much.........and in fact would propose a new section thus that folks could give both direct and public feedback as to direction of this place for open discussion...........

There is more creativity in dissension then in harmony Zoot, one foments, the other stifles.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Tahn L. on August 22, 2007, 06:48:47 pm
I can throw a hundred somebody's way if you can pull this off but I am plumb out of experience, management ability or any other skills, at the moment.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bill St. Clair on August 22, 2007, 06:58:28 pm
I'm certainly willing to stay on as technical administrator. I don't do content moderation, though. That'll have to be whomever convinces Claire to pass her baby forward.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on August 22, 2007, 07:09:27 pm
Roger that, Bill.

So far, Zoot's the willing...that's a go by me...anyone else?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 22, 2007, 07:59:30 pm


I'll help anyway that I can.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on August 22, 2007, 08:31:39 pm
Got it padre29.


Recap so far



Head admin/mod, the responsible one - Zoot


Tech admin - Bill


Anything helpers:

padre29
coloradohermit (incl mod)
Junker


Cash helpers:

PSM
gooch
Tahn


Posters: Claire
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 22, 2007, 08:36:44 pm


That included cash Junker.... :laugh:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: henshawe on August 22, 2007, 09:09:23 pm
G'day All,

Damn, go away for a few days and what happens? changes of major proportions eh?

Okay, I'm in for some frn's, couple hundred anyway if that will help. Anything else I can help with let me know. I'm not a techie nerd kind of guy but I have a very steep learning curve during times of adversity.

Don't know what else to say.

Regards,

Americus
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: username on August 22, 2007, 10:05:15 pm
Wow! I just joined your site a few weeks ago thanks to a member from there. I like it.

I am glad you enjoy it. There is a pretty good group of folks on the board with a pretty good base of knowledge.

Either way, I am willing to contribute to the cause from an infrastructure standpoint. To be honest, if we can raise enough money to buy a server ($1,500 or so), I will supply the bandwidth, power and rack space.

What are the bandwidth and monthly visitor stats?

Username
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on August 22, 2007, 10:30:16 pm
Junker,  I'm in for cash too.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: iloilo on August 22, 2007, 11:27:10 pm
I'm in for cash, fairy dust sprinkles when ever needed, moral support, and possible places to park site(s) if needed.
I am happy to pledge an annual amount if that helps.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on August 22, 2007, 11:56:18 pm

Recap so far



Head admin/mod, the responsible one - Zoot


Tech admin - Bill


Anything (inc cash) helpers:

padre29
coloradohermit (incl mod)
Junker (incl mod, admin as needed )
Henshaw (cash, but will...)


Cash helpers:

PSM
gooch
Tahn
Feralfae (+parking+dust)

Posters: Claire
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on August 23, 2007, 12:18:30 am
Wait a second there folks....    :laugh:

It's only been 12 hours.......will it hurt to wait and see who else offers what?


Give everyone time to think about this and fully form into wotrds anything that they have to say about it......after all.......this place has about a thousand regular visitors and only a handful have said anything so far..............
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: slidemansailor on August 23, 2007, 12:27:52 am
I'm enjoying watching the 'employee buyout' form up.  Sure Daddy Warbucks might show up with an offer Claire can't refuse, but the Harley Davidson model is pretty cool.  Sorry I can't offer anything at this time but cheering on the sidelines.  I may jump in later, but time and money are unstable today.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on August 23, 2007, 01:29:34 am
*grinning*

This has little to nothing to do with Daddy Warbucks...........There's a bunch of folks that have offered money......I'm looking to see what folks offer other than money........and I hope everyone else is too......who else is going to offer to step up........and what are they willing to do?

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Ian on August 23, 2007, 01:45:49 am
Any ideas for a plan to keep TCF a destination for useful, practical, high-quality discussion? This member buy-out sounds like it's born of "I don't want TCF to go away" rather than "I have a vision for TCF's rebirth as a great place to find information on living free".
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 23, 2007, 06:14:00 am

Ian:
Quote
Any ideas for a plan to keep TCF a destination for useful, practical, high-quality discussion? This member buy-out sounds like it's born of "I don't want TCF to go away" rather than "I have a vision for TCF's rebirth as a great place to find information on living free".

In conjunction with that “great place to find information on living free”, now is a good time to collate all of TCF’s useful info into a gulching, saving, food-storing, living-simple compendium of ideas – not just for survival per se, but for intelligent practical living (which, in the final analysis, DOES equate to survival). And not limited to the material or physical aspects of life, either, but to the intellectual and spiritual as well.

If this board were to close for lack of an acceptable “mission statement”, I think some great minds and spirits will be lost if we don’t utilize the info that’s been given so freely and lovingly in cameraderie over the years. While much of it may be ‘just talk’, so much more is hard-earned advice from those who know.

Silver’s comtributions re money matters is alone worth the price of admission.

So is Elias’s ruminations on living thoughtfully and free (which doesn’t even touch on his conspiracy info). Many newer members have never read his earlier comments which would make a psychology book look like kindergarten.

The Guns and Gear threads, Health issues, Home Schooling, Gulching itself – are all without precedent in the chat world, because the posters have, for the most part, strived very hard to be factual and practical even while they were expressing ‘opinions.’

The Hardyville threads and Claire’s blogs are in a class by themselves – ranging across the board in content, even more pertinent when you read between the lines for meaning, and sometimes double meaning.

I echo Ian: do you know where you want to go with this?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on August 23, 2007, 08:26:09 am
I echo Ian: do you know where you want to go with this?

It's hard to narrow down feelings to a 'mission statement'.  It's easier to say that I like it here and hope it doesn't basically change. I like the maturity and courtesy that generally exist here.  I like that I learn something new every day. I like that I can ask a question on almost any topic and that someone here will have an answer based on experience, or directions to find an answer.  I like that, even when I think that someone's a complete idiot, I can at very least learn how others think and tailor my behavior accordingly.  By the same token, I like the idea that even when I'm the one who's out of step with folks here on some issues, I can still voice my opinions.  I like the feeling of community, group loyalty and genuine caring that I feel here.  I like that I can refer friends here and not worry about that they'll be accosted by spam or other toxic crap. 

 How to put words to the 'I like' feelings that this board inspires? But, to give it a try, I'll hijack some quotes from others that strike me as being good summaries.

TCF(insert new name here) is a fellowship/community of men and women who seek to share their experience, strength and hope with each other in order to achieve freedom and to help others who are striving along that path.  We do not limit the definition of freedom to any particular belief system and try to learn from others, even in disagreement.  To quote Heinlein;
Quote
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: iloilo on August 23, 2007, 08:57:25 am
The mission statement, if one is needed, is that the mission of this site is to foster the concepts of liberty, individual freedom, self-responsibility and self-ownership through discussions, sharing and examination of all aspects of these concepts, in a community of like-minded individuals, open to all who are interested in learning and sharing.

The "where" I want to go with this is to preserve its survival as the freedom-oriented, information-sharing forum which it has always been, inspired and designed to attract and inform those who value individualism, liberty and life.

I cannot think of any reason to develop a more succinct mission statement, nor to change TCF in any way, other than the name.

Maybe I am missing something in Ian's and other posts, but why would most of us want anything more than to ensure the continuity and content of TCF continues under a new name to be exactly the same as it has been in the past?  It ain't broke, and needs no fixing that I can see, just a new name and sponsor.  Claire and others have done a superb job in shaping this into a place for us all, and the larger mission is to preserve what this place has become, and continue to carry it forward.

This forum grows and changes as its members express new areas of interest or raise new questions.  It has been beautifully organic in this regard, rather than  limited to a mission statement or the enforced vision of one person.  I cannot think of a better recipe for community than the one we have.

It is coherently organized.  One could argue that more organization is possible, but I have watched this list evolve into its present state and structure, and am sure it will continue to evolve into more usable forms just as it has done all along.

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Dull'Hawk on August 23, 2007, 09:10:45 am
For some reason this whole topic has made me very depressed.  Maybe I just can't handle "change" right now.   :shakehead:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: iloilo on August 23, 2007, 09:30:06 am
For some reason this whole topic has made me very depressed.  Maybe I just can't handle "change" right now.   :shakehead:
Dull'Hawk,
I don't think most people here want change, and I think that is what we hope will happen.
Be of good cheer.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 23, 2007, 09:49:02 am
coloradohermit:
Quote
We do not limit the definition of freedom to any particular belief system and try to learn from others, even in disagreement.
 

That much we agree on, CH.

“Freedom is not a philosophy, nor is it an idea. It is a stirring of conscience that causes us to utter, at certain monments, one or two monosyllables: yes or no.” [Octavio Paz]
With that definition, it’s possible to seek freedom from many directions.
However, freedom itself has one definition – anything less will compromise the ability to reach it.

Heinlein was talking about individuals, not principles – or even how a business should be run. (And though humans are capable of multi-tasking thanks to their ability to think, remember and project into the future – I’m not so sure we were designed to be multi-taskers any more than other animals were. Stress is the great reality check; I think multi-tasking is best accomplished on a short-term basis.)

If one doesn’t know what he’s seeking, or how to reach it, he will NOT reach it; vagueness of purpose or scattered methodology will not get him to his destination. Which is probably why many of us are not arriving at individual freedom. I think [TCF] should “keep its eye on the sparrow.”

(Yes, I know, Septithol – this was your point. I never disagreed with that part of your statements.) 
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: cowardly lion on August 23, 2007, 11:31:17 am
Whoops, late as usual for me.

I'm in for a little cash.  Let me know where to send it as necessary.

cl
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Midnight Blue on August 23, 2007, 11:36:05 am
Any ideas for a plan to keep TCF a destination for useful, practical, high-quality discussion? This member buy-out sounds like it's born of "I don't want TCF to go away" rather than "I have a vision for TCF's rebirth as a great place to find information on living free".

I don't get it. Sounds like the owner doesn't want to own the board anymore, but at the same time it's being made clear that whoever it gets sold to has to continue the board as per the wishes of certain folks and yet the the name must be changed as to not be affiliated with Claire. I've never bought a business off of someone else so someone explain to me if this is how selling a business to someone else in the real world works. I always thought that when someone bought a business ( or whatever), it was now property of the new owner and they were free to do with it as they wished.

If the new board owner has to follow the dictates of the previous owner or TPTB that are current here, and can't run their new property as they see fit as the new owner, why should anyone buy it then?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on August 23, 2007, 12:31:58 pm
I always thought that when someone bought a business ( or whatever), it was now property of the new owner and they were free to do with it as they wished.

If the new board owner has to follow the dictates of the previous owner or TPTB that are current here, and can't run their new property as they see fit as the new owner, why should anyone buy it then?

That's not really the point here, IMO.  If circumstances conspired such that you decided that you had to sell your knife business, surely you would at least try to prescreen the potential buyers.  Given a choice, and all other things being equal, would you rather find a buyer who shared your talent and expertise and would try to maintain your quality and standards that your customers value or would you sell to someone who'd scrap your artistic vision and load the shop with chinese crap and hell with your loyal customer base?  It's not dictating what the new owner would do, it's more a question of trying to find someone who wouldn't just flush your baby down the toilet.
    Like feralfae and pagan, I don't think a 'mission statement' is needed. I don't think changes are needed.  I just wanted to try to be a little more specific personally about why I 'like' TCF the way it is.  It's hard to explain all the qualities that draw me here. I understand that it will ebb and flow and change naturally with time, but I'd just hate to see someone  come in and immediately change it to a guns only board or to define freedom as vigilante survivalism or something like that. I have no wish to dictate anything to anyone in this discussion or anywhere else, but I think it's fair to let a potential owner know that the 'customer base' has certain expectations and what those expecttions are.
   
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: henshawe on August 23, 2007, 12:43:31 pm
G'day All,

Interesting Midknight2236 that you fail to understand the concept of "good will covenants" or more properly the "terms of sale" that are imposed on the buyer by the seller.

Of course the "terms of sale" or "good will covenants" are negotiable, as Claire has indicated. The whole concept has to do with a meeting of minds where a contract is concerned. This insures there are no misunderstandings as to what is being sold and what is being purchased. In this case a possible deal breaker to any such sale would be the question of "intellectual property rights" since many here and at GYHD may or may not want their posts to be a part of any "sale" to another entity without their express written consent, or that their "intellectual property" e.g. their posts be either deleted or returned to them.

Does this help?

Regards,

Americus
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Midnight Blue on August 23, 2007, 01:21:42 pm
Yes, I understand the goodwill stuff and all, but Ians comment didn't sound right to me. It sounded like he was dictating who he felt was deserving of owning the board and trying to say people were not being sincere in wanting to buy it as a continuation of goodwill. In all honesty, someone tell me why anyone who stepped up to buy this board would change it outright. I don't believe anyone would take the effort to buy this place and then just completely revamp it. i'm sure whoever the new owner is would probably make little improvements, but overall I think it would stay the same.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bill St. Clair on August 23, 2007, 01:28:50 pm
If a person or persons come forward who convince Claire that he/she/they will manage the new TCF forums, under whatever new name they choose, to her wishes, and they offer enough coin of the realm to satisfy her, she'll transfer ownership. If they later change their minds about how to run the board, there will be precious little she can do about it. Hence the importance of care in the transaction.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Ian on August 23, 2007, 01:53:22 pm
Shoot, I'm in no position to dictate anything about buying this place. I would simply like to see it improve, and not just stay the same. Better is always better, right? :)
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 23, 2007, 06:02:39 pm
Shoot, I'm in no position to dictate anything about buying this place. I would simply like to see it improve, and not just stay the same. Better is always better, right? :)

The thing of it is Ian, I think the content and topics here are simply amazing, the only thing that "might" make it even better would be more topical subforums, like "Taxes" being a seperate forum so some of the great information isn't lost in the shuffle.

That would be the one thing that I would expand on, make more subforums just to keep up with some of the stuff that Feralfae and Nuclear Druid find and post..

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Lazarus Long on August 24, 2007, 12:45:44 am
SNIP ...if it becomes a members-owners-type arrangement. (Edit: Apparently this is not the case, so the first clause of that sentence is now irrelevant to the matter at hand.)

I'd like to see the board continue. I come here for exchange of practical information, camaraderie/friendships, and humor. I have no answers right now as to how the board should be run. I come here because of the people on the board, not the structure or how it's run. So far, TCF has been all I expected and more. It has its problems, for sure, but nothing's perfect. Some ebb & flow is natural. Unless (more of) the people I like here go away, I'll continue to frequent the board and contribute where I can.

If the board gets sold, and even if it does not, one thing I would like to see is a downloadable board archive for offline use, perhaps distributed as a torrent (and/or on a mailed CD/DVD by the TCF Archive Fairy). It could be created with a tool like httrack, and then perused by the end user on any web browser in any operating system.

TCF holds a gold mine of useful practical information, and I for one would like to have this info on hand should TSHTF and the lights go out. I'd like to have it in any case. It could be updated once a year if there's more interest. Is this feasible, and would anybody else be interested?

Edit: I'm not changing the meat of my original post, which you see above, since I hate to see a thread gutted like that. But I do want to add a little clarification here, since I apparently opened a minor can of worms with my suggestion of making an archive of TCF.

I was purely interested in the possibility of making the forum more accessible to members and contributors who, like myself, may have an intermittent internet connection, or who fear that certain back threads of eminent usefulness may become unavailable in the future. In no way did I mean to imply that such an archive should be sold for profit or distributed outside of the community at this forum.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: C.G. on August 24, 2007, 01:59:10 am
Well, I cite Claire and TCF as instrumental on my slow journey to market anarchism and a freer take on life in general.  If I can help, somebody let me know.  My bank account is small, but I am a professional nerd of some skill.  I might be able to contribute some minor green to the pool when/if needed, but that capability fluctuates.

:twocents:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 24, 2007, 02:48:11 pm
Count me in for a little cash, too, if it becomes a members-owners-type arrangement.

I'd like to see the board continue. I come here for exchange of practical information, camaraderie/friendships, and humor. I have no answers right now as to how the board should be run. I come here because of the people on the board, not the structure or how it's run. So far, TCF has been all I expected and more. It has its problems, for sure, but nothing's perfect. Some ebb & flow is natural. Unless (more of) the people I like here go away, I'll continue to frequent the board and contribute where I can.

If the board gets sold, and even if it does not, one thing I would like to see is a downloadable board archive for offline use, perhaps distributed as a torrent (and/or on a mailed CD/DVD by the TCF Archive Fairy). It could be created with a tool like httrack, and then perused by the end user on any web browser in any operating system.

TCF holds a gold mine of useful practical information, and I for one would like to have this info on hand should TSHTF and the lights go out. I'd like to have it in any case. It could be updated once a year if there's more interest. Is this feasible, and would anybody else be interested?


Yes Sir Count me in on the off line/CD version thing,

I have a copy of Fred Langa's off line archive and it can be invaluable when looking for a how-to article by him.

Fred circa June 2006 (http://www.langa.com/about_fred.htm)

He has since sold his readership to WindowsSecrets.

Here (http://www.windowssecrets.com/)

I can be helpful but I would need a little supervision until I "got the hang" of whatever it was I needed to do ?
Which is why I offered frn's up front. Them I know how to do ..... sorta ....  :rolleyes:   :laugh:

Shoot, I'm in no position to dictate anything about buying this place. I would simply like to see it improve, and not just stay the same. Better is always better, right? :)

Hmm ?  Better can get to be pretty subjective too.
IE: Microsoft SWEARS  that each new version of Windoze  is "Better" than the last  ....  :laugh:

Turning over alternate names in my head ....

The Choice (?) Freedom (!) (in parentheses would be Implied rather than stated)
The Cabal (of) Freedom
The Constitutions Friends
 Lots of options .... I'm definitely NOT the person to suggest a name being so unedumakated and all .......

edit spelling of edumakated of course  :laugh:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 24, 2007, 03:00:40 pm


I do have to say that this entire thing is driving me up a proverbial wall.

Here we have the entire Community menaced (potentially) and we know even less now that the two days are up, and yet there is no feedback in Re "WTF"?

Claire, this is harsh indeed, spill the beans young lady, what is cooking with all of this?

I despise the sound of footfalls behind me, what is going on out here.....?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Joel on August 24, 2007, 03:44:08 pm


I do have to say that this entire thing is driving me up a proverbial wall.

Here we have the entire Community menaced (potentially) and we know even less now that the two days are up, and yet there is no feedback in Re "WTF"?

Chill out, Padre.  in re: 2 days, she said:

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P.S. I'll try to respond within two days to queries [made via PM].

She didn't say she would reveal the details of the Grand Anti-TCF Conspiracy in 2 days.

My take: She kinda ended up running TCF when Debra stepped out, she doesn't have the time to do it right or the inclination to do it at all, and she wants somebody else to assume ownership.  Nothing sinister.  This is just my impression; I have no inside (or even outside) knowledge.

BTW, if it comes to a community buy I'd be in for a modest number of FRNs too once I knew who the new owner/admin is.  I mean...you know, if turns out to be Syn Diesel or Gunkid or somebody like that, then not...
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: slidemansailor on August 24, 2007, 03:49:21 pm
I do have to say that this entire thing is driving me up a proverbial wall.
Here we have the entire Community menaced (potentially) and we know even less now that the two days are up, and yet there is no feedback in Re "WTF"?
Claire, this is harsh indeed, spill the beans young lady, what is cooking with all of this?
I despise the sound of footfalls behind me, what is going on out here.....?

I am reminded of my youngest daughter waiting more than two weeks to name her new puppy. She wanted to find out who he was first.  Several people got antsy and bugged her about it, but she took the time she needed... no more, no less.

Patience, Grasshopper.  TCF has been a long time getting to this point. Choosing the correct fork in the road should be done with a little deliberation. Trust the deliberator and leave her to her meditations.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on August 24, 2007, 03:53:46 pm


I do have to say that this entire thing is driving me up a proverbial wall.

Here we have the entire Community menaced (potentially) and we know even less now that the two days are up, and yet there is no feedback in Re "WTF"?

Chill out, Padre.  in re: 2 days, she said:

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P.S. I'll try to respond within two days to queries [made via PM].

She didn't say she would reveal the details of the Grand Anti-TCF Conspiracy in 2 days.

My take: She kinda ended up running TCF when Debra stepped out, she doesn't have the time to do it right or the inclination to do it at all, and she wants somebody else to assume ownership.  Nothing sinister.  This is just my impression; I have no inside (or even outside) knowledge.

BTW, if it comes to a community buy I'd be in for a modest number of FRNs too once I knew who the new owner/admin is.  I mean...you know, if turns out to be Syn Diesel or Gunkid or somebody like that, then not...

Patience was never one of my virtues Joel, not suggesting anything sinister, rather the uncertainty is killing me.....

Besides, I hear that planetary has boatlods of bucks, "if" his avatar wouldn't crash teh whole board that is.... ^_^ :rolleyes:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on August 24, 2007, 04:27:19 pm
Joel and slidemansailor are talking sense. Barring a Daddy Warburg, we have time enough.

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Zoot's volunteered for the head-honcho headaches. Nobody else, yet, so it remains:

Recap of Volunteering, so far

Head admin/mod,
 the responsible one with the headaches:
Zoot

Tech admin: Bill

4 Anything (incl cash) helpers:
8 Cash helpers:
Posters: Claire
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(PM me if I missed you)
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: iloilo on August 24, 2007, 06:13:21 pm
I will request that Elias and Basil both comment, since they are very early-on instigators of the creation and beginnings of TCF, way back when, as some of you know, it began as part of the Mental Militia.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 24, 2007, 07:35:36 pm
Like some others, I’d have to wait and see who’s in charge; but the way it’s shaping up, I’d be willing to offer a modest annual donation (Economy willing).
 
However, with OTM closed I’m going out on my own and will (hopefully) be too busy to post much, if at all.

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on August 24, 2007, 11:39:20 pm
I will request that Elias and Basil both comment, since they are very early-on instigators of this.

It was suggested to me by someone who has my email address that I look at this thread and offer some thoughts or observations. I've just now sat here and read the thread to this point.  I'm not at all sure if I should say anything.

I will consider this over the weekend and re-visit this thread in the first part of, or the middle of, the coming week. I may or may not venture a comment. But at this point, having just read the thread and having not had time to allow the significance to sink in fully, I think it would be wise of me to remain silent for a few days. I already have an extremely packed weekend schedule, and I may need even more time than just this weekend to collect my thoughts. Whatever my reflections render up to me may or may not be of interest to anyone here. I'll try my best to bring something of value. But I cannot promise that I'll be able to do that much. I will try.

For the moment, I'll just add this tidbit:

On the 6th of September David Allen Coe and his band will perform live in Bozeman, Montana, and a dear friend and brother and Freedom Outlaw and member in The Jefferson River Coalition, Rob Lethart of the Boozehounds, will open for him. I'll be there with a back-stage pass. I've caught David Allen Coe four times, twice each in Memphis and Atlanta. I was a co-producer for one of his shows in Memphis, and got to meet Coe on his tour bus and back-stage. That was back in the 1970s. While he's no Bob Dylan, he is one of the best and one of the most prolific songwriters, and one of the most obscure, in America. His songs, for the most part, are made famous by high-profile singers who seldom even call him by his name. He is the outlaw Johnny Cash got out of prison. He is a life-long friend of Kris Kristofferson. In fact, it was Kristofferson who asked Johnny Cash to get Coe out of prison in Ohio, so many long years ago. I mention David Allen Coe because there is a line in one of his songs which strikes me at this time like a bolt from some tangential orbit in an indiscernible but parallel universe....

"I've given about all I can take."

I'll see y'all next week....

Salute!
Elias

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: nurseflo on August 25, 2007, 01:21:23 am

I have a few questions.

1.  If one donates, to whom does he donate?

2.  How much does one donate?

3.  Is this a charity, or does donating make one an owner?

4.  If an owner, an owner of what?

5.  Is one who donates responsible for anything?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Basil Fishbone on August 25, 2007, 01:44:23 am
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I will request that Elias and Basil both comment, since they are very early-on instigators of the creation and beginnings of TCF, way back when, as some of you know, it began as part of the Mental Militia.
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Thanks, Feralfae, but those honors go to Elias and Bark, not moi.

Anyway, for what it's worth, if it were not for the political/ anti-political material, TCF would be a lot less interesting to me, personally.  The practical survivalist information is good, and I'm glad that is part of TCF, but by itself, it would not hold my interest to the degree TCF currently does.  Also networking beyond the gulch per se is valuable.  So this is a wish for it to remain more or less the same, with additions rather than subtractions.

Basil
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: debra on August 25, 2007, 08:52:12 am

My take: She kinda ended up running TCF when Debra stepped out, she doesn't have the time to do it right or the inclination to do it at all, and she wants somebody else to assume ownership.  Nothing sinister.  This is just my impression; I have no inside (or even outside) knowledge.

That's correct re: how she ended up running TCF. I had wanted -- planned -- to just shut it down rather than deal with the endless squabbling over moderation policy. Claire asked to take it over instead because she didn't want TCF to go away.

I don't have any insider details about the sale of it (I read about it on TCF like everyone else). But that's probably because whenever the subject of TCF admin stuff comes up, I stick my fingers in my ears and say, "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" :D
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 25, 2007, 03:23:17 pm
<snip>
Anyway, for what it's worth, if it were not for the political/ anti-political material, TCF would be a lot less interesting to me, personally.  The practical survivalist information is good, and I'm glad that is part of TCF, but by itself, it would not hold my interest to the degree TCF currently does.  Also networking beyond the gulch per se is valuable.  So this is a wish for it to remain more or less the same, with additions rather than subtractions.

Basil

Hear Hear   :thumbsup:
 
What Basil said ....... with a little extra emphasis on the "networking beyond the gulch"  AND "this is a wish for it to remain more or less the same, with additions rather than subtractions." as a "personal" Choice/Wish.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 25, 2007, 04:15:39 pm
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"... with additions rather than subtractions."

Which additions do you have in mind?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 25, 2007, 04:41:25 pm
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"... with additions rather than subtractions."

Which additions do you have in mind?

In my case I meant for TCF [or whatever it will wind up being called/named] to grow rather than to shrink.

I can't speak for Basil although that is how I "interpreted" his statement.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 25, 2007, 06:43:17 pm
Yes, I understood the growth -- but in what direction?

E.g. Basil mentioned interest in "political/anti-political" material. Are you interested in more "political/anti-political material" too? And if so, how would you implement it -- as more threads in General Information... more Subheadings under Gen. Info... or as encouraging [TCF] members to participate in the political aspects of real life? And would this become a new direction for TCF?

And what does "networking beyond the gulch" mean, specifically?

Would gulchers meet up on a regular (or irregular) basis more often? Would they identify their real selves in the real world at meetups? Would they meet to act in concert as a ‘lobby’ for agitating, etc?

Should we be ‘networking’ with anybody and everybody who chose to come to a meetup, no matter what their “politics”... no matter what their concern for privacy... no matter how embedded they were in their gulch – in other words, would there be no discrimination when choosing who we invite to meetups, for example, as long as they were members of TCF?

This thread shouldn’t really get down to this level of intensity – we all have the right to opt out of any activity – but if it’s to become a part of the new TCF’s policy (since it was suggested the new TCF do it), then I think we should know in advance.

And perhaps the admins should consider establishing a “mission statement.” Because this forum was not established as a ‘political” entity, and if the direction is now leading toward minarchism, its members have a right to know it – as should Claire, by the way. 

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on August 25, 2007, 08:10:09 pm
I've been giving this thread a bit of thought now and then since I read the first part of it the last time I logged in here.  (I used to be a daily tcf junkie,  but darn,  there just don't seem to be enough hours in a day lately!)  As much as I need to focus on what I'm doing at work,  driving a forklift and handling boxes still leaves me with all sorts of time to think...

One thing that popped into my head,  and I wasn't even remembering the bit about removing Claire's name from it,  was "TCF == The Community of Freedom".  So anyhow there's my thought for a possible new name,  and you wouldn't even have to change the domain.  :-)

PSM nailed it with the "I can kick in $20" post -- I can probably do that too,  at least as things stand right now.

Zoot also nailed it solidly,  about the _community_ aspect of this place being the primary factor in why I keep coming back here,  it's what makes this a good place to be.

The other thought that kept on popping into my head was that somebody should set up an LLC and we could all invest in shares...  :-)

I also,  as I've posted elsewhere,  have some modest technical skills that I can offer to help with,  and contribute to the degree possible as time constraints permit.

I also *like* the idea of dumping the whole mess on to a CDROM or whatever,  and sure wouldn't mind having one of those should they become available.  Good one!

Re:  Change...  I've seen some serious changes happen in here,  some good,  some maybe not so good.  Stuff happens.  Folks that used to be here aren't any more,  and I rather miss some of you,  and wish you'd come back.  Sometimes things take weird turns,  and then we have threads discussing what's happening here,  and it changes again (this happened fairly recently),  usually for the better.

Damn,  I sure don't want to see this place go away any time soon either!

Well,  anyhow,  there's my little bit of contribution to the thread,  for whatever it's worth...
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Basil Fishbone on August 25, 2007, 08:30:50 pm
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E.g. Basil mentioned interest in "political/anti-political" material. Are you interested in more "political/anti-political material" too? And if so, how would you implement it -- as more threads in General Information... more Subheadings under Gen. Info... or as encouraging [TCF] members to participate in the political aspects of real life? And would this become a new direction for TCF?

Someone mentioned Taxes as a sub topic (under the financial section?), another might be a separate conspiracy/ deep history/ false flag subtopic.  But it wasn't meant, really, as a specific suggestion.

It is of course up to individual members how they wish to operate, boots on the ground.  The existing Agitator section seems suited to political activity personally undertaken.   I will do what I will do, here in Montana, whatever TCF becomes.  Today I attended a potluck barbeque with about 80 other people who had gathered because of a common interest in a local talk radio station.  Elias and Clint and I distributed Ron Paul DVDs to a very sympathetic audience.  The local Ron Paul Meetup  group is active and has several things planned.

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And what does "networking beyond the gulch" mean, specifically?

Would gulchers meet up on a regular (or irregular) basis more often? Would they identify their real selves in the real world at meetups? Would they meet to act in concert as a ‘lobby’ for agitating, etc?

I am not currently working on establishing a gulch.  I don't have the resources for that and it is not a priority.  I operate locally using my meat space name, because the family name is well known and I also have some name recognition in Montana.  So I don't know what "gulchers" would do, but I am trying to engage large numbers of local people in the freedom cause.   The Philipsburg gulch also operates visibly to some extent locally.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 25, 2007, 08:58:07 pm
Size ?  Membership ?     
What were You thinking I meant ?

"political/anti-political" to me means/meant the standard  political stuff we have today like:
"Those nasty JBT's did THIS again ..." 
(although I don't read very many of them because nobody DOES anything about the injustices being reported so why even read them ?)
OR  "Gosh, Look here one of our own members is running for President !"

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"E.g. Basil mentioned interest in "political/anti-political" material. Are you interested in more "political/anti-political material" too? And if so, how would you implement it -- as more threads in General Information... more Subheadings under Gen. Info... or as encouraging [TCF] members to participate in the political aspects of real life? And would this become a new direction for TCF?"

I wasn't thinking of adding or changing any of the headings. I am not even interested in any "new direction". I, personally, would encourage TCFers to vote BUT not as a "policy" of the board.

 I, personally, am one of those "danged" minarchists who continues to HOPE that our Constitution can be saved and our Bill of Rights enforced.
Even so .....
Do I expect any other person [on the entire planet] to feel the same ? NOPE.
Do I think WE, as a group, should act like a homogeneous political entity ? NOPE. [Do I wish we would ? Maybe.]
Do I think anyone on this board is even slightly interested in voting ?  NOPE. [Maybe, Who really knows ?]
Do I care what anyone else on this forum thinks about MY positions ? NOPE.
Do I care what anyone else on this forum thinks about  MY voting ? Only slightly.
[As in when someone "explains" his or her rationale for this or that position.]

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"Should we be ‘networking’ with anybody and everybody who chose to come to a meetup, no matter what their “politics”... no matter what their concern for privacy... no matter how embedded they were in their gulch – in other words, would there be no discrimination when choosing who we invite to meetups, for example, as long as they were members of TCF? "

HUH ?  Where in the world did this come from ? Isn't this what we have been doing for the last few YEARS ?
Personally,  I think that F2F meetups are a good thing BUT I would NEVER expect anyone else to think anywhere near the way I think. Go/Come to meetups or don't it's all up to YOU.  Why would that change ?

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"This thread shouldn’t really get down to this level of intensity – we all have the right to opt out of any activity – but if it’s to become a part of the new TCF’s policy (since it was suggested the new TCF do it), then I think we should know in advance."

Where did that come from ? Who said ANYTHING about this ? I must have missed it because it sure wasn't me.
Why not ask the one who did suggest it  ?  Whoever it was.

 I am thinking of the meetups as a method of establishing relationships with "like-minded" people in the off chance that I [or they] Might need a "bail-out" gulch to hang out in while recuperating from having their gulch invaded, earthquaked, nuked, forest-fired or otherwise made uninhabitable. Or perhaps they are the gypsy style anarchists and would be staying for a week and then carrying on down the road in a rudimentary caravan exchange [of goods/products] system.
 I think that meeting and getting to know other folks with similar values is priceless If and/or when we need to defend each other from the mutant/zombie bikers et al.


[SATIRE/rant]
Of Course there is always the possibility that TADGOF is actually a fed plant and wrote those books just to bait us all out of the woodwork. And Elias and Debra are in cahoots with the feds and formed this forum to bait us all in .....
Now TADGOF is turning us all over to her "handler" for indoctrination ..... all under the guise of selling out of course.
Sheesh.   Get Real. "The world" doesn't even know most of us exist let alone does "it" want to GET us.
[/SATIRE/rant]


Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 25, 2007, 10:22:07 pm
Gooch, my mind is overactive and I can think up all kinds of ideas. That doesn’t mean I believe them – but I have to ask in order to clarify.

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I am thinking of the meetups as a method of establishing relationships with "like-minded" people in the off chance that I [or they] Might need a "bail-out" gulch to hang out in while recuperating from having their gulch invaded, earthquaked, nuked, forest-fired or otherwise made uninhabitable. Or perhaps they are the gypsy style anarchists and would be staying for a week and then carrying on down the road in a rudimentary caravan exchange [of goods/products] system.
 I think that meeting and getting to know other folks with similar values is priceless If and/or when we need to defend each other from the mutant/zombie bikers et al.

I agree with this 100% – generally speaking. On the other hand, I asked:
"Should we be ‘networking’ with anybody and everybody who chose to come to a meetup, no matter what their “politics”... no matter what their concern for privacy... no matter how embedded they were in their gulch – in other words, would there be no discrimination when choosing who we invite to meetups, for example, as long as they were members of TCF? " 

And you said:
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Isn't this what we have been doing for the last few YEARS ?

Well, that may be – but actually I was asking FOR discrimination.
I DO care who I network with, and who I meet up with. When/if TSHTF it may be important to know who will cave, and who you can trust.
There must be a balance between trusting everyone who happens to show up on TCF (or any forum), and trusting noone you haven’t known personally for 20 years. On this forum, that balance is (probably... usually) determined by what is said, and by a consistency in posting that’s in line with what one believes.

Who do you trust when the person who is not so concerned about his privacy doesn’t take the privacy of others seriously, and forgets that “Winnie the Poo” doesn’t want his real name told to some acquaintance in casual conversation?

That’s where ‘networking’ becomes crucial. I happen to think TCF networking should be more like an intranet system; not everyone is allowed into one’s confidence just because she or he is on TCF. And – while meeting folks with similar values IS priceless, we should keep in mind that not everyone we meet HAS the same values. (That doesn’t mean they’re bad people – it just means they have different values in place that might conflict with your or my particular goals.) So discrimination IS important.

From the rant:
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Get Real. "The world" doesn't even know most of us exist let alone does "it" want to GET us.


That’s debatable, the jury is still out. I really don’t know how much we’re being watched, but it’s a safe bet that some watchbird is watching us, whatever his motive.



Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 25, 2007, 11:14:18 pm
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I agree with this 100% – generally speaking. On the other hand, I asked:
"Should we be ‘networking’ with anybody and everybody who chose to come to a meetup, no matter what their “politics”... no matter what their concern for privacy... no matter how embedded they were in their gulch – in other words, would there be no discrimination when choosing who we invite to meetups, for example, as long as they were members of TCF? " 

And you said:
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Isn't this what we have been doing for the last few YEARS ?

Well, that may be – but actually I was asking FOR discrimination.
I DO care who I network with, and who I meet up with. When/if TSHTF it may be important to know who will cave, and who you can trust.
There must be a balance between trusting everyone who happens to show up on TCF (or any forum), and trusting noone you haven’t known personally for 20 years. On this forum, that balance is (probably... usually) determined by what is said, and by a consistency in posting that’s in line with what one believes.

Who do you trust when the person who is not so concerned about his privacy doesn’t take the privacy of others seriously, and forgets that “Winnie the Poo” doesn’t want his real name told to some acquaintance in casual conversation?

That’s where ‘networking’ becomes crucial. I happen to think TCF networking should be more like an intranet system; not everyone is allowed into one’s confidence just because she or he is on TCF. And – while meeting folks with similar values IS priceless, we should keep in mind that not everyone we meet HAS the same values. (That doesn’t mean they’re bad people – it just means they have different values in place that might conflict with your or my particular goals.) So discrimination IS important.

Agreed BUT isn't that what is already happening here ?  What's changed since Claire put this "For Sale" notice up on the boards ?


From the rant:
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Get Real. "The world" doesn't even know most of us exist let alone does "it" want to GET us.


That’s debatable, the jury is still out. I really don’t know how much we’re being watched, but it’s a safe bet that some watchbird is watching us, whatever his motive.


I am over 50 and I don't have time to waste on "theories".
I am also too old to start worrying about every shadow that falls across my path.
Do I know/understand that the PTB are trying to intensify the surveillance already in place ?  Sure
Am I going to let them change my lifestyle any more than I am the extremist, radical, politically motivated hotheads hiding behind the skirts of Islam ?
NOPE.

I understand Claire's motivation for getting out from under pretty well I think.
She didn't design this board and she's not really thrilled about having to "DO" this board BUT her NAME/Rep is written all over every page so she can't just walk off.
She has to either "DO" this board, sell this board or close this place down and remove her and Debra's names from it.
She would like to sell it and keep it alive for it's value to the present group and the Freedom movement.
Honorable.
Admirable.
I don't see the edge of the earth approaching so I don't plan on getting too excited about any "Changes" until they happen.
I don't enjoy anxiety and fear or theories about them so I avoid them rather than wallowing in them.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: slidemansailor on August 26, 2007, 08:16:24 am
Right arm, Gooch.
That was so exactly like what's in my mind that I can't believe we could ever disagree on anything.

See, this place is important to most of us because we find what's in our heads being articulated in ways we wouldn't or didn't articulate it. We also find articulate, thoughtful and/or educated* people challenging our ideas and perceptions. It is a good place to exercise our minds. All that on top of the distrust of untrustworthy government.

So finding someone to pass the helm to is important. Keeping it alive is valuable. I trust the current helmsman to pass it with care, but for goodness sakes, Claire, once your watch is past, relax and enjoy the course it takes.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on August 26, 2007, 10:29:11 am
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Claire, once your watch is past, relax and enjoy the course it takes.

Aside from the legal aspects, do you think that watch will ever really be over?
And once "ownership" has been passed unto another, will that new owner even bother listening to feedback given by the old?

When your kids hit adulthood and move out......your responsibility is over.....but does that mean that you won't "care" what happens to them merely because you are not legally liable or responsible for them anymore?


And yeah......folks talk about a "sale"......but in reality it's more a case of "adopting" this place.....and it's far less about money then it is about what's inside any potential "steward"........
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Mr. Dare on August 26, 2007, 11:01:56 am
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And yeah......folks talk about a "sale"......but in reality it's more a case of "adopting" this place.....and it's far less about money then it is about what's inside any potential "steward"........

+1

   I haven't posted in this thread previously because I didn't have anything to add. I'm not sure what Dare2 and I could do. We could obviously chip in 20 bucks or something money wise, but I don't see this really being about the cash. I personally have no clue what is involved on the technical side... Would the buyer have any hardware considerations? or is it just a matter of the name change and transfer of the domain name? Obviously the buyer would need to take ultimate responsibility for making sure the spirit of the venture was maintained. That primarily comes down to writing the rules, and the unwelcome task of continued moderation. Is that about it, or is there more? How much time commitment is required?
   I think the previous model of a single "owner" with some additional moderators to help with that "leg work" is a pretty good one. Are we making this more complicated than it really is?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 26, 2007, 11:21:01 am
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Are we making this more complicated than it really is?

Probably we (I) are.

But when ideas of change (additions, e.g.) are mentioned, it behooved me to find out what those changes were going to be, and how they would be implemented/administered. IF it remains essentially as is, that's fine; if there is a change of purpose and/or direction, I think we need to know that.   
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on August 26, 2007, 12:08:37 pm
   I think the previous model of a single "owner" with some additional moderators to help with that "leg work" is a pretty good one. Are we making this more complicated than it really is?
I agree absolutely that the current/previous model is a good one. Can't speak for anyone else, but my input has been  with the spirit of trying to uncomplicate a transition. As mentioned, it feels like the $ isn't the issue, so much as the responsibility, whatever that may be.  The showing that there are 'leg workers' available and willing to participate may hopefully simplify someone's decision about 'owning' the forum.  I don't have the feeling that anyone's lobbying for group ownership or any intricate member participation schemes, just that some of us grunts out here are agreeable to taking on assigned chores if needed.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: slidemansailor on August 27, 2007, 01:00:36 am
When your kids hit adulthood and move out......your responsibility is over.....but does that mean that you won't "care" what happens to them merely because you are not legally liable or responsible for them anymore?

The last two posts are more to the point and quite correct. I just couldn't leave this one lie ... I have some experience in this area.

 I care deeply, but have to let go. They won't let me control them (good Daddy's kids they are), so I can't own their problems. I guide the heck out of their deaf ears and put in all the body English I can, but simply have to watch the show as they give me no other reasonable choices. My advice is to care less. Of course I can't follow it, but it really is good advice.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Claire on August 27, 2007, 06:09:25 pm
And yeah......folks talk about a "sale"......but in reality it's more a case of "adopting" this place.....and it's far less about money then it is about what's inside any potential "steward"........

You speak truth, friend ZooT. Thank you.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on August 28, 2007, 01:51:04 am
And yeah......folks talk about a "sale"......but in reality it's more a case of "adopting" this place.....and it's far less about money then it is about what's inside any potential "steward"........

You speak truth, friend ZooT. Thank you.

Ms Claire,
Zoot has a cunning way of being concise at times. A true self-made philosophical bundle of enhanced perception in an eccentric personality which wreaks of the sagely scent of bleak brushland past the outskirts of Hardyville. I'm glad he's on our side. :)

But about the topic of this thread... This is a mighty interesting thing you've come up with, Claire. I'm thinking on it, and will check back in with you here soon enough. But I might say in passing - you're one classy lovable lady of liberty. I'll bet this move works out just fine for all concerned. I sense that is the way you'd have it. As your own self-appointed General of the 2nd American Revolution, I stand in membrance of a line I think Peter O'Toole, or one of his cohorts, said:  "so let it be written, so let it be done."

There's more of us then there is of them. Fresh horses to the chase!
Salute with a bow,
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: username on August 28, 2007, 07:34:20 am
Joel and slidemansailor are talking sense. Barring a Daddy Warburg, we have time enough.

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Zoot's volunteered for the head-honcho headaches. Nobody else, yet, so it remains:

Recap of Volunteering, so far

Head admin/mod,
 the responsible one with the headaches:
Zoot

Tech admin: Bill

4 Anything (incl cash) helpers:
    1. Padre29 (are you mod'ing?)
    2. ColoradoHermit (incl mod)
    3. Junker (incl mod, admin as needed )
    4. Henshaw (cash, but will...)
8 Cash helpers:
    1. PSM
    2. Gooch
    3. Tahn
    4. Feralfae (+parking+dust)
    5. Cowardly Lion
    6. L.L.
    7. C.G.
    8. Joel
Posters: Claire
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(PM me if I missed you)

Junker, Just wanted to re-extend the offer of free hosting for the forum. Regardless of the solution put together. I will not require anything special in return, just my way of supporting the cause.

Again, I would reccomend the purchase of a server to host the site for a couple of reason:

1. We can better secure the content then in a shared hosted enviroment.
2. We can install other systems and applications for other functionality.
3. Makes the system more flexible when it comes to changes or even moves down the road.

Just some thoughts.

Username
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on August 28, 2007, 10:32:31 pm
Username,

I've not been ignoring your helpful offer. I like the idea...vpn too, nice. But that, IMO, is up to the head honcho-- still ZooT so far.

-J.

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Recap so far


Head admin/mod, the responsible one with the headaches: Zoot

Tech admin: Bill


4 Anything (incl cash) helpers:



9 Cash helpers:

(willing to: sweep floors, empty trash bins, change babies, babysit, make stupid jokes and YES I DO Windows)
3. Tahn
4. Feralfae (+parking+dust)
5. Cowardly Lion
6. L.L.
7. C.G.
8. Joel
9. Roy J. Tellason
[/list]

Posters: Claire
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(pm me if I missed you)
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Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on August 29, 2007, 01:05:47 am
Well as far as I'm concerned......and no......I'm not running anything yet so it means little to nothing.......While I as well as others appreciate usernames offer, I don't think that a move is a good thing at this point in time.......as there'll already be enough of a "feeling" of a state of flux to go around....but by the same token, and extra backup on some obscure server at some unknown server farm known only to the two parties directly involved(meaning Bill and username) might be a very valuable thing for a place such as TCF..........a very valuable thing indeed......and in more ways than one if I might say......
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bill St. Clair on August 29, 2007, 07:57:04 am
I like the idea of our own server in that we can put on it anything we want, e.g. IRC, but it is likely to be more effort to maintain, and when the hardware goes south, which hardware ALWAYS does eventually, we'll be faced with fixing or replacing it, though the lack of rental fees can certainly offset this, with good planning. Still, I like having somebody else maintain the machine and its software environment. I'm pretty good at maintaining a web site, on an existing Linux install, but have only beginner's experience with maintaining an entire Linux server. I also can't provide 24/7 support all by myself.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: username on August 29, 2007, 09:53:37 am
Well as far as I'm concerned......and no......I'm not running anything yet so it means little to nothing.......While I as well as others appreciate usernames offer, I don't think that a move is a good thing at this point in time.......as there'll already be enough of a "feeling" of a state of flux to go around....but by the same token, and extra backup on some obscure server at some unknown server farm known only to the two parties directly involved(meaning Bill and username) might be a very valuable thing for a place such as TCF..........a very valuable thing indeed......and in more ways than one if I might say......

ZooT,

I know exactly where we can go with this and some of the benefits that could be gained. Naturally those we could discuss in more detail offline.

Also Bill,

In regards to your comments about the hardware maintenance. Naturally we perform that sort of maintenance in our datacenter for clients already. To be honest, a modest Dell server with a 3 year parts replacement plan is very cost effective and fairly worry free. My Datacenter employees could coordinate and repair requirements in addition I could monitor the box.

Naturally the freedom gained by having an owned and directly controlled asset allows for a lot more things to be done as ZooT was hinting towards. I believe the benefits gains would definitely justify the method in this case.

In either case, I am available for future conversations.

Take care,

Username

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bill St. Clair on August 29, 2007, 12:17:55 pm
username, I'm not opposed to the idea, merely thinking out loud about the advantages/drawbacks.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: username on August 29, 2007, 03:16:14 pm
username, I'm not opposed to the idea, merely thinking out loud about the advantages/drawbacks.

I agree with your assement on the points you made in regards to the drawbacks. I actually have a UNIX contractor that could probably do the initial Linux install for us and essentially prep it for the application. I also agree with what ZooT said in that it probably doesn't make sense to move TCF physically right away or at all. Perhaps we simply look at it as a potential way to augment and/or enhance the TCF services and cabilities.

Just some thoughts.

Username
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on August 29, 2007, 10:18:53 pm

Horse - Cart   :headscratch:

Cart - Horse     :idea1:

Pardon Me for butting in But ...
Shouldn't we let Claire make the decisions ?   :headscratch:

I'm not trying to be critical   :violent1: I'm just pointing out :contract: that all the planning we do and discuss here Might become Moot.
I am reassured by the knowledge that there is sufficient knowledge and experience amongst our members to organize and run a server site.   :headbang:
I had a feeling that that was not really an issue anyway.
I just don't think "WE" need to make any decisions right now and especially here.

I'll Butt out now .....   :thrbiggrin:    :rolleyes:


edit - emoticons to better express my not being critical of anyone I'm just thinking out loud as it were.
 I know, I know ....  I always get in trouble when I go to thinking.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on August 29, 2007, 11:56:07 pm
Er uh........that's why I specified that it was only my opinion......and that it meant little if anything at all.....   :laugh:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on August 30, 2007, 08:40:59 am
Er uh........that's why I specified that it was only my opinion......and that it meant little if anything at all.....   :laugh:
I think that what this discussion(and all the individual input) means is a show of support for the forum, not an agenda of any sort. There are vast resources out here and the 'adoption'(love that, Zoot) should be an opportunity as opposed to an onerous burden.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 30, 2007, 11:22:05 am
I agree, CH. It’s a way of presenting all ideas and ramifications that might arise during (and after) the changeover from Claire — nothing more or less than that. Clarification is all we need from this discussion. The final decision is Claire’s, anyway.

The phrase “buyer-member” arose which bothers me. I wish to donate a modest amount (because that’s all I have) toward the changeover, but don’t wish to become a member of any communal “boardroom,” IF this is where it’s headed. I think only one person’s decisions should be final.

To whom do I send a money order for payment, and how? I’m not into credit cards or PayPal.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on August 30, 2007, 11:26:31 am
Addendum:
Many of us came here in response to Claire Wolfe’s writings, her integrity, her consistency, and her love of and respect for freedom and individuality. I myself had never heard of TCF until I had communicated with Claire by email.
After coming onboard, I realize there is much more integrity, consistency, individuality and understanding of what it takes to achieve freedom than I had ever imagined in this country. And more determination to get it at personal cost.
As a result, I continue to have optimism — even in the face of increasing tyrannical actions taken daily by government, and by society in general.

If the virtues I listed are what brought us here, they are also what we want keeping us here. I see no indication that these virtues ARE going away, but please forgive a few of us if we feel some trepidation in the face of Claire’s not being in charge. Because freedom itself — and gulching, too — can be perceived as something different for each of us, we are more sure of her guidance than we are of others who’ve not yet been tested.

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on August 30, 2007, 04:28:42 pm
Addendum:
Many of us came here in response to Claire Wolfe’s writings, her integrity, her consistency, and her love of and respect for freedom and individuality. I myself had never heard of TCF until I had communicated with Claire by email.
After coming onboard, I realize there is much more integrity, consistency, individuality and understanding of what it takes to achieve freedom than I had ever imagined in this country. And more determination to get it at personal cost.
As a result, I continue to have optimism — even in the face of increasing tyrannical actions taken daily by government, and by society in general.

If the virtues I listed are what brought us here, they are also what we want keeping us here. I see no indication that these virtues ARE going away, but please forgive a few of us if we feel some trepidation in the face of Claire’s not being in charge. Because freedom itself — and gulching, too — can be perceived as something different for each of us, we are more sure of her guidance than we are of others who’ve not yet been tested.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Claire on August 30, 2007, 04:57:35 pm
I haven't been keeping up with this thread every day. But I want to mention that I've been contacted privately by one of you folks, speaking unofficially on behalf of the idea of a group purchase, and that I'm very much in favor of what you guys have been talking about.

The people who seem most seriously interested in doing this are people I'd trust to maintain the spirit of TCF, no matter what name was at the top of the page. Maybe even expand that spirit and enrich it. That makes me feel wonderful. And please remember that I wouldn't be going away. I'll still be here.

Feel free to plan and talk all you wish.

Many thanks,
Claire
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: cowardly lion on August 31, 2007, 01:50:55 pm
If this thing moves in the near future, keep me in mind.  I'll be a contirbutor, but I'm going on a road trip until 17 Sep, so if a request goes out for FRNs, my silence doesn't mean I've reneged.

PM me with a place to send a fistful of dollars, and I'll respond as soon as I can.

Thanks to all who have stepped up to the plate with space/technical assistance, and special thanks to Claire for having a legacy so prized.   :wub:

cl
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 02, 2007, 07:55:45 pm
Closer.

That's the word. We're getting closer to finalizing the change-over of TCF.

There are not enough details yet, so we are not ready to make any announcement other than we are "closer".

A lot of nice people are waiting patiently to see what is going to happen here at TCF. I've got a number of people awaiting personal messages here from me. Those will be answered tonight, and further discourse will occur, and then we'll be making the announcement publicly here at TCF, on this thread.

The good news is that Claire is not "going away". More on that when we make the announcement, which is getting closer.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on September 03, 2007, 08:43:37 am
Is Mental Militia coming out of mothballs? (OK, I'll wait patiently.)
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on September 04, 2007, 10:27:18 am
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I know, I know ....  I always get in trouble when I go to thinking.

Yeah maybe......but if one never thinks, nothing happens.........


Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: canaan on September 04, 2007, 11:19:00 am
any progress on the DVDs??
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Claire on September 04, 2007, 11:39:16 am
Okay ...

Leonidas and gooch added to the "Traveling DVD lending library" list.

But ... yeah, things are moving AWFULLY SLOWLY ....

A suggestion: Immediately after you receive the DVDs, PM or email the next person on the list for a snailing address. If they don't respond within a week, PM or email the next person.

In any case, at the end of two weeks -- max -- send them on to the next listed recipient that you can reach. Don't hold up the works waiting for people who aren't responding.

Thanks,
Claire
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: velojym on September 04, 2007, 12:53:08 pm
Sorry, folks. After those trips to NM for Granny, I've had to scrape up enough money to even ship a small package. It'll go out today or tomorrow to DullHawk,
unless I hear otherwise before I ship.

Once again, sorry. My dear uncle Monty decided he had better uses for the cash Granny stashed, and some of us weren't in a real good position to be able to afford
a trip, much less two.


(edit)
'Hawk, it's on its way, 2 to 5 working days, and insured. Let me know when it arrives, willya?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 04, 2007, 04:44:11 pm
Quote
I know, I know ....  I always get in trouble when I go to thinking.

Yeah maybe......but if one never thinks, nothing happens.........

Did I forget to include the {T I C} tongue in cheek emoticon ?    I must have .....
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on September 05, 2007, 01:00:27 pm
I wouldn't worry too much about it  :laugh:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: OLD TIRED RN on September 05, 2007, 11:28:47 pm
Well  as usual I'm late again.  I don't know why I always have to be the last one to know anything going on around the place.  Oh well... Put me down for $20 at least.  I don't know enough about using a computer to fill a hollow tooth, but I'll help pay for the thing as long as I'm able to work.  Sure am thankful that whatever happens to the place that Claire stays with us/it.   Just wouldn't be the same without her. 

Zoot, I see your name along with Bill mentioned as seemingly taking the "bull by the horns."  Where and to who do we send the money?  Just pass along the name/address and my donation will be in the "snail mail."  I don't do the pay pal thing.

                                                         RN
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Ghost on September 06, 2007, 12:09:03 am
Set me down for at least $20.00 FRN
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 06, 2007, 01:36:06 am
Well, there is about to be an announcement here regarding the sale of TCF to a coalition of good people who would love to keep Claire's spirit alive and well here. Stay tuned for that announcement this weekend.

In the meantime, everyone who would like to contribute to the transfer of power from Claire to the mystery coalition is invited and encouraged to send your FRNs to this address:

Debra Ricketts
1517 N. Wilmot Rd. #235
Tucson, AZ 85712

Note: most people who ship cash via U.S. mail wrap their FRNs in aluminum foil prior to inserting it into the envelope.

Those who would prefer to use paypal or e-gold, please click:
http://www.clairewolfe.com/donations.html
to see if a system there will work for you.

There will be an announcement posted here this weekend which will describe the sale and purchase of TCF. The floor will be opened for discussion for all questions - except snoopy inquiries about Claire herself. (No, she is not a blonde!)  But if anyone is wondering how the transfer of title will affect TCF, if you're curious about any changes in the works, if you anticipate new policies here, or if you have any question or observation to share with us, the discussion on all that can begin as soon as the announcement is made.

And a quick note aside to pagan - Bro, you mentioned TMM. Would you want to see TMM come back to life? I'd be honored to learn that you miss that site. I sorta miss it myself. Your question raisies some interesting thoughts....

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on September 06, 2007, 03:08:03 am
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Zoot, I see your name along with Bill mentioned as seemingly taking the "bull by the horns."

Well Elias already answered your question.....about everything else, you know as much as I do..... I'm waiting to see what's up too cause ain't no one said squat to me yet either  :laugh:






Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on September 06, 2007, 04:50:38 am
Elias:
Quote
And a quick note aside to pagan - Bro, you mentioned TMM. Would you want to see TMM come back to life? I'd be honored to learn that you miss that site. I sorta miss it myself. Your question raisies some interesting thoughts....

YES!

And I hope the question raises some interesting answers.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: OLD TIRED RN on September 06, 2007, 12:32:34 pm
As long as it's owned by "the old guys/gals" who we have all chatted with for all these years that's fine with me. I wish I did have the knowledge of computers (cut& paste is still beyond me) to help with the "button pushing" but can't just yet.  (Yea, I know it's probably simple, but if you don't know you don't know.) Be that as it may, I'll send along $20.  Hope that helps with whatever has to be done. 

Claire, we are all in your debt for all you've done and sacrificed for us and our cause.  I'm sending you a big brotherly hug along with this pose and all good wishes hoping that we'll seill see you around as you are the "heart and soul" of this forum to me.  Looking forward to anything and everything you write.  As curious as I am about you, your true identity, where you live, etc. I know it's best for you and all the rest of us to trully not know any of it. That gives us all deniability and makes you somewhat safer. 

Elias, etc. and whoever else is in on the top of this, GOOD LUCK and THANKS for helping keep this forum alive.  It's so good to be able to come here, (and to the Sagebrush Saloon where I also spend a lot of time) and be able to "rub elbows" with those of true freedom mindset rather than have to go to a "RepubliCON site and constantly be mean mouthed, threatened, and thrown off for not being a "good little neocon."

Looking forward to more good stuff over here.  How I wish I could contribute and post more but health will not let me do what I want to do.

Hope all of you remain as well as possible.  Do take care and stay safe.

                     Most Respectfully & Gratefully, RN    The Old Tired Worn Out Gray Haired One With All The Pain.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Dave Polaschek on September 09, 2007, 09:35:15 am
There will be an announcement posted here this weekend which will describe the sale and purchase of TCF.

Hmm. Don't see anything posted yet. Did I miss it?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: iloilo on September 09, 2007, 09:51:45 am
I am out of the country, but think it would be super if TCF became TMM thus returning us to our roots, so to type.
Of course, Elias, you know you can count on me for as much of whatever you need as I can do/find/earn/create/invent/scrounge.  ^_^
{{{hugs}}}

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on September 09, 2007, 06:19:09 pm
do/find/earn/create/invent/scrounge.

(Swipe!   :-)
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 09, 2007, 11:55:18 pm
There will be an announcement posted here this weekend which will describe the sale and purchase of TCF.

Hmm. Don't see anything posted yet. Did I miss it?


Dave - Here ya go....

Pagan - You get your wish. The Mental Militia shall ride again. Details are being worked out presently.

To all registered members of TCF's message boards: Claire and I have agreed to a change-over in ownership of these forums. Here is what Claire originally posted to start this thread and initiate the sale of TCF:

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FOR SALE -- The Claire Files Forums

Please PM me with your offer or serious inquiry. The best offer will be for a modest amount of money + a good plan for keeping TCF a site for useful, high-quality discussion.

Only fixed requirement: The name must be changed immediately upon transfer of ownership.

I never intended to be in the business of running a forum; it's time to pass this operation along to someone who's online more and has a good vision for the place.

In bringing this news to the membership of TCF's message boards, I wish to thank every member here who has taken time to register and to post information or thoughts or musings here as contributions to the overall character of The Claire Files Message Boards. I trust that your relationships with these boards will not be altered in any way as the ownership of TCF's boards changes very soon. I'm glad each of you is here, and I value your memberships here. It is my hope that you shall continue to find that the sense of community, the information, the celebration, the friendships, the excitement, and any other feature of these well-worn old boards, which you all love, remains just as you would expect it to always.

Many of you know, but some may not know, the reason why my member-number is #2. That is the oldest member-number at TCF, and I got that honor when Bark died. Bark is number One, and I'm number two because Bark and I were the two culprits who got the idea for these boards and created them. I had the idea, but that is all the credit I can take for these boards being in existence.  Bark did the heavy work in creating the original boards. He brought me in first to help with the fine-tuning and etc., so I'm number two. To be perfectly candid here, I should back up a bit and note for y'all that actually Debra herself created the first Claire Files message boards, and it was while I was at her site one day looking for a Claire Wolfe article that I found Debra's message boards. I clicked my way in there and found a message from Debra lamenting the fact that the free boards she had incorporated into her site used pop-up ads between each page one clicked, so that readers of her message boards had to wade through unwanted commercial pop-ups to get from one message to the next. Debra mentioned that she dreamed of a day in which she would have a message board which did not have pop-ups. Bark and I were, at that time, room-mates in Montana and Bark had just finished building for me a brand new website for The Mental Militia. The Mental Militia was a name I created in 1999 when I opened a Yahoo Club with that name. (Yes, that old TMM site is still up there on Yahoo's "Groups" section, but it's an invitation only site, and I've not used it for years - except to keep it active a couple of times a year - but it's still there as proof of my ownership of the term "The Mental Militia".

So. Bark and I were room-mates, and Bark had just built for me a wonderful php website for TMM, when I discovered that Debra would like a new message board for The Claire Files website. I asked Bark if we had space to add a message board to our url's space, and he said we did. I then  left off a message at Debra's boards saying that I would be glad to furnish to Debra a free-standing message board. That offer sparked my first email from Ms Claire Wolfe, and I was overjoyed to find an email from her in my mailbox. She agreed that Debra could use a new board, and thanked me for the offer. I put Bark right on it, and by the time the Grand Western Conference rolled around in 2003 at Missoula, Montana, where I first met face to face both Debra and Claire, the site was nearly completed. By the time Debra got home from Missoula the site was up and ready for her inspection. Debra was very pleased, as also was Claire, and the TCF boards were opened to the public soon afterward.

Here is a funny tidbit aside - When we got to the final stages of completing the boards, Claire wrote me saying that she was grateful that I'd done this for Debra, but that she herself was not a "message board person" and would certainly not be spending very much time at the new boards, but she did promise to make an occasional "token appearance". I took her at her word on that, no big deal. But today I notice that Ms Wolfe has, for a person who was not a "message board person", made more than five thousand posts here at TCF, lol! I hope Claire will not resent me telling y'all about that. I've personally always got a kick out of this story, especially as I watched her post-totals climb by the thousands....teehee!

Anyway, I gave these boards to Claire and Debra as a gesture of my great appreciation for Claire's work, her writings and her clear voice for freedom. As I'm not a talented person like her, I figured my role was to be helpful any other way I could, so I was very glad for the opportunity to provide these boards to Claire and Debra - even knowing that it was really Bark who built the boards and made them work. While I gave the boards to Claire and Debra, I kept the domain and TMM paid the costs for, I think, about two and a half years. I was happy to be able to do something for those two wonderful ladies. Some of my Officers in The Mental Militia, such as ladylearning and Scarmig, also contributed toward the smooth running of the boards and the financial maintenance of the operations. Ladylearning contributed more money than I did.

But there came a time - almost two years ago, iirc - when I had to give up ownership of these boards - when Bark came down with cancer and began his slow approach to dying. Knowing that I could not manage these boards without Bark, I dumped them onto Debra and Claire out of necessity, fearing that TCF's boards might experience just what happened to TMM's site after Bark's death. Bark had also been involved with the FIJA website, and I had to scramble to help Ilo and her new tech guy salvage what they could while Bark lay dying. Claire and Debra turned to Bill St.Clair for immediate help in rescuing TCF's boards, and Bill St.Clair stepped up in a Giant way and has done a marvelous job with the new boards. My endless Salute to Bill St.Clair, who shall stay on with us in the change-over of ownership of these boards. (Whew! I'm so thankful for him!)

So that is a nutshell version of some of the basic history behind what you see today at TCF. But now our Lady of Liberty needs to be relieved of some of the liability and exposure which boards such as these bring with them to whoever owns them. I perfectly well understand Claire's wish to be free of the responsibility of the boards. The woman is an artist, a writer who needs to be free of any and all "grounding devices", such as, especially, a message board where she is expected to "stand and deliver". All those more than five thousand posts she has poured out onto the waters of TCF have taken untold minutes and increments of personal energy from Claire's days and nights for years now. When I saw that she was wanting to sell the boards, I did not need to ask her "why".

But I did inquire about the sale price, the money amount she would want as payment. She answered me very sweetly by telling me her asking price and then telling me that if I wanted the boards she would simply hand the keys over to me and no money would be required. That woman has class.

She said that the boards had been my gift to her and Debra, so it would not be right to sell them back to me after all. I appreciated her saying that, but I wrote her back and assured her that the gift I gave to them was just that, a gift, and a gift, once given, is no longer the property of the giver. These boards are hers and Debra's to do with as they please, of course. I declared therefore that my group called The Jefferson River Coalition would purchase the message boards and make every effort to run the place in ways which would forever honor her name, her spirit, and her ideals, her work for liberty, and her writings; and that we wanted to pay her for the boards but that we would need to work out a payment system, since I could not come up with that kind of cash myself. Claire wrote back saying that would be fine, and that she was happy that the boards would go back to me after all.

Claire also has discussed with me something which I had not considered at first, nor at all until Pagan mentioned it on this thread - the idea that perhaps these boards might go far toward resurrecting the presently-dormant Mental Militia. Claire brought that up to me first, and I've asked her about it to be sure she would like the idea, and she does - so these TCF boards shall shortly become the TMM boards (with the continued help of Bill St.Clair). Several of you have been asked to become Officers in The Jefferson River Coalition as well as becoming Generals in The Mental Militia, and thus far each person I've asked has accepted. I may ask others here in the future. (One who I have not asked yet but who I presume will certainly carry the load with the rest of our Officers is Ragnar - Sorry Rags, for not sending you a pm about this already! Knew you were as busy as self, so, presuming as only a brother would do, I put off sending the request.) I have an excellent staff of highly intelligent and experienced Officers now to help me stumble through the process of managing these boards. We may need to recruit other Officers in coming times, so if you have not been asked yet, please don't think I've limited volunteer help with the running of this place.

So - I'm sure all of you would like to know what to expect with this change of ownership. The first thing I'd like to say about that subject is that Claire herself will continue to be a presence here, although it may be a diminished presence, time-wise, in terms of how much time she spends here. Claire is now officially an Officer in The Jefferson River Coalition and a General in The Mental Militia. Claire has secured from me an agreement that I will do all I can to honor her involvement in these message boards, her history here, and she approves of my plans for running the place. I have her permission to announce her role in TMM and TJRC as a General and Officer. She remains a fearless woman of freedom. Claire and I will remain in close communication in coming times, and she knows that she is invited to suggest and comment to me whatever she thinks she should say about anything whatsoever regarding the management of these boards. I intend to be her humble servant when it comes to respecting these boards. Our hope is that any changes, if indeed any changes occur at all, will not really be noticed at all.

About the transfer of money to Claire: The Jefferson River Coalition has agreed to make sure that eventually Claire gets the full amount which she had asked for the site. However, TJRC is a young organization and does not have deep pockets, so I would like to appeal to each reader here to dig a bit down into your purses and pockets and wallets and see if there is any small amount you can individually send to Claire to help TJRC complete this deal. The first donation has already been made by Ghost. Salute, Ghost!, and thank you! Many of you have offered to send bucks, and now it would be a great time to do so. Here, again, is the methods you may choose to send your financial help:

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In the meantime, everyone who would like to contribute to the transfer of power from Claire to the mystery coalition is invited and encouraged to send your FRNs to this address:

Debra Ricketts
1517 N. Wilmot Rd. #235
Tucson, AZ 85712

Note: most people who ship cash via U.S. mail wrap their FRNs in aluminum foil prior to inserting it into the envelope.

Those who would prefer to use paypal or e-gold, please click:
http://www.clairewolfe.com/donations.html
to see if a system there will work for you.

Next item: The Jefferson River Coalition. Some of you know that Basil Fishbone and I have been trying for a couple of years to get a monthly newsletter printed and mailed to subscribers. We named that newsletter "The Jefferson River Gazette". We have fought tooth and nail against our combined ignorance about hi-tech stuff and other obstacles. Finally, it occurred to me that we needed to create an organization which would take the responsibility for that project and help us realize our dream of a widely-circulating newsletter. So we created The Jefferson River Coalition here in the valley where Bozeman, Montana sits. I intend to create a new forum here at TCF which will be devoted to the activities of The Jefferson River Coalition and at that time I will begin collecting "dues" from anyone wanting to join that coalition. Those dues will be forty-five dollars U.S. per year, and Basil and I and other Officers in TJRC and Generals in TMM shall decide where to best spend those dollars in our never-ending fight to preserve the consciousness of freedom. So you can expect me to begin a membership drive here in coming weeks.

Those of you who would be interested in discovering what The Jefferson River Coalition might be up to can find out the basics here:

http://www.thejeffersonrivergazette.com/TJRC_FAQ_May2007.htm

So that's the deal, y'all. Old Elias and The Mental Militia, joined by The Jefferson River Coalition, will step forward to take the burden of ownership off Claire's and Debra's backs while at the same time doing all we can do to preserve this place in just the way Claire and Debra would want it to exist. Ironically enough, that suits the goals of TMM and TJRC to the tee.  It is my sincere hope that most of you will find this decision by Claire and myself to be no more than a mere technicality, an alteration in an insignificant format of ownership.

Your feedback is invited and welcomed. Thanks again to each registered member here, and to the loyal lurkers who've been here all along, and mostly I say thank you to Claire, whose writings sparked not only Debra's The Claire Files website but the TCF Message Boards as well, and whose spirit has always felt compatible with the premise of The Mental Militia - that we who fight for personal freedom today are involved in a mental revolution.

Salute!
Elias
P.S. - I've asked Claire to review this post and let me know if I've conveyed this properly and to her satisfaction. In case she asks me to change statements, I'll now reserve the right to edit content to meet her approval.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on September 10, 2007, 12:31:56 am
It's nice to know what's what,  finally.  :-)

Junker's "recap" posts listed me under cash donation (dealt with),  but I should've been in the other category as in my earlier post on the subject I said:

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I also,  as I've posted elsewhere,  have some modest technical skills that I can offer to help with,  and contribute to the degree possible as time constraints permit.

So if there's anything I can do,  particularly of a technical nature,  by all means feel free to let me know!

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on September 10, 2007, 01:16:57 am
{Dancing and clapping while the Hallelujah chorus plays}

Nothing more to say... 
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bennie on September 10, 2007, 02:52:55 am
Regarding: "The Jefferson River Gazette" vs "The Jefferson River Coalition"

A couple of years  ago, some subscriber memberships were purchased, for the Gazette, by TCF members.  I sent in money, a lesser amount than what is being spoken of now, and have since waited patiently by my mailbox.

Back then my screen name was different. I made an ass of myself here at TCF, left TCF, moved out of the country, and after getting settled, returned to TCF as "Bennie."

Still, I have the same PO Box (in a west Texas town...hint hint if you have me on a list somewhere) which forwards mail to me via a third party, just as this message get forwarded by me to another, and then posted to TCF. My question is: "Will original subscribers to the Gazette need to send you some more $$ for the first year's subscription?" I have no problem if that is the case, as the cause is just.

Please know that, despite any conflicts I may have had with other members on this board a couple of years ago, I remain  and consider myself a faithful member of TMM.

Thank you, General!
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 10, 2007, 04:07:19 am
Regarding: "The Jefferson River Gazette" vs "The Jefferson River Coalition"

A couple of years  ago, some subscriber memberships were purchased, for the Gazette, by TCF members.  I sent in money, a lesser amount than what is being spoken of now, and have since waited patiently by my mailbox.

Back then my screen name was different. I made an ass of myself here at TCF, left TCF, moved out of the country, and after getting settled, returned to TCF as "Bennie."

Still, I have the same PO Box (in a west Texas town...hint hint if you have me on a list somewhere) which forwards mail to me via a third party, just as this message get forwarded by me to another, and then posted to TCF. My question is: "Will original subscribers to the Gazette need to send you some more $$ for the first year's subscription?" I have no problem if that is the case, as the cause is just.

Please know that, despite any conflicts I may have had with other members on this board a couple of years ago, I remain  and consider myself a faithful member of TMM.

Thank you, General!

Heh! With the patience you've displayed we'll likely make you a distributor! You'll likely get all the copies you want. :)
There are several (less than five, iirc) who prepaid subscriptions back then when Basil and I started talking about doing the paper. Your payment may have been to Basil instead of to me, because right now my memory fails me with the west Texas clue. So for you and a few others, this paper's been a long time coming and ain't here yet.

I'm figuring that by the time we have a hundred subscribers the danged thing will be in the air. We're really not too far away from seeing our dream come true. A friend of TMM is contributing a computer with the software we've needed soon, and a tutorial on how to run that software for a printer-ready paper. Our momentum grows. We keep the faith. And I'll assure you that the success of the newsletter will tide nation-wide and elsewhere around the planet, so you will have much pride in what we build. The powers that be, as Basil would put it, "have lost control over the flow of information." I'm for pitching a mental revolution which could be likened to what Anthony Hilder would call a "revelation". Circulating the vision is the vision.
pm me
Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Basil Fishbone on September 10, 2007, 10:03:44 am
There was only one subscription which came to me, from R.H., for $30, which I have ~lost~ and was never cashed.   :rolleyes:  It is probably on my desk somewhere... if that gives you an idea of what my office looks like.

Basil
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Claire on September 10, 2007, 10:22:37 am
Thank you, General Elias. And thank you to all who are joining the Jefferson River Coalition and contributing to the purchase of TCF. What an elegant solution, to have these boards be bought by their long-time (or short-time) members.

I did indeed tell Elias that TCF could be his, gratis; after all, these forums wouldn't exist without him, Bark, and ladylearning, who worked together to create them. It's a mark of Elias' gentlemanliness that he refused that offer and I'm touched that you're joining him. Debra and I have already received three contributions totalling $140. Thank you to Ghost for being the first. Thank you K. for being so generous. And thank you, R., for contributing even though I know you've been through very hard times. I'll make sure everybody gets an individual acknowledgment.

 :laugh: I'd forgotten telling Elias I wasn't a forum person. And I'm not. Other than TCF, I've probably never posted on forums more than a dozen times in my life. But yep ... I've been a post whore here. But then ... the company has been so good; how could I resist?

I agree with everything Elias wrote above (except perhaps the parts where he was too damn nice about me). I'm so glad to see this happening. And I will still be around. You guys are community and family to me.

Claire
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on September 10, 2007, 12:05:06 pm


So TCF will become TMM? And the JRC is going to offer a newsletter as well?

I'm on the donations list, I will pony up soon, I've got a few balls in the air at the moment.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Mr. Bill on September 10, 2007, 12:57:59 pm
So - I'm sure all of you would like to know what to expect with this change of ownership.

I'm glad to hear that a solution has been worked out.

Elias, I have a great deal of respect for the work you've done, but I'm going to ask one big blunt question, and I apologize if it sounds rude.

It's well known that you have strong opinions about conspiracies behind 9/11 and other events.  Is this forum going to remain a friendly place for those of us who aren't convinced of these explanations?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on September 10, 2007, 01:37:40 pm
So TCF goes full circle......this is a very good thing indeed.....yes.....a very good thing :mellow:

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: penguinsscareme on September 10, 2007, 02:52:00 pm
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I've got a few balls in the air at the moment.

I like to let 'em out to breathe once in a while, too.

Sorry!  Totally inappropriate!  The CPC made me do it!
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Tahn L. on September 10, 2007, 03:03:12 pm
I'm mailing a small contribution today. Good luck to us all!
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 10, 2007, 06:50:13 pm
OKaaay

I'm glad that the uncertainty has been lifted.
I am glad that the same "initial core group" [of which I am not a member] will be the "new owners". 
I feel reassured that the current "management" will continue to be involved as active members. 

I'll be sending out my "mite" this week.
I'm thinking maybe I should try a little harder to find myself an income.

As well as my "mite" I still stand by my offer to  .....
"2. Gooch (willing to: sweep floors, empty trash bins, change babies, babysit, make stupid jokes and YES I DO Windows)


So - I'm sure all of you would like to know what to expect with this change of ownership.

I'm glad to hear that a solution has been worked out.

Elias, I have a great deal of respect for the work you've done, but I'm going to ask one big blunt question, and I apologize if it sounds rude.

It's well known that you have strong opinions about conspiracies behind 9/11 and other events.  Is this forum going to remain a friendly place for those of us who aren't convinced of these explanations?

I have made my feelings on this subject and on "religion" quite plain previously so I will just sit quietly and listen closely.



Additionally ....
I am curious about the "titles" which seem to be a factor in the "new - old"  TMM and the JRC .
After being raised in and having served in the military as well as 25 + years in the Merchant Marine I am curious about the "titles"
being bandied around.
"Officer" ?  "General" ? 
Titles such as these are EARNED in the military and at sea and indicate both power and responsibility.
IE: It took me three years of grunt work and examinations to earn my License and the title  of Captain.
How do these titles apply to the new "TMM" ? "JRC" ? that will replace TCF ?
And what do they indicate or connote ?
I shall do some research on the JRG link.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Junker on September 10, 2007, 08:12:58 pm
Good. Done. Salute.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 10, 2007, 10:45:56 pm
Thank you, General Elias. And thank you to all who are joining the Jefferson River Coalition and contributing to the purchase of TCF. What an elegant solution, to have these boards be bought by their long-time (or short-time) members.

The solution springs from the relationship you've formed with so many good folks here. I'm happy to be a conduit for such energies and vibrations. And I'm very pleased by the way you do business - which is very un-business-like, lol. A woman's word and a man's stand make a base from which much can be built.

 
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I agree with everything Elias wrote above (except perhaps the parts where he was too damn nice about me). I'm so glad to see this happening. And I will still be around. You guys are community and family to me.

Claire

Gracious and graceful, as usual. A lot of people here appreciate you dearly. I kinda like you myself. But we'll all cease with the "nice" stuff and just say a big THANK YOU to you for making this merger of several highly-potential forces possible. Please kick back, relax as you'd prefer, and enjoy the sparking of the 2nd American revolution - you know, that mental/spiritual revolution before which we all have 179 things to do. TMM is ready to kick some fedgov ass. TJRC is ready to take some tyrants' names. And the new duty station for the TCF Message Boards is ready to make sense of it all. My staff of revolutionary Generals will see to your comfort. TMM's Intelligence Division will keep you updated. TJRC's Think Tank Analysts will keep you advised.  When the transfer of ownership is finalized you'll be free to be yourself and still have these good ol' boards for your very own. The truth which spreads smiles across my face, and across so many other faces of those who've been following this thread is the not-so-subtle-now fact that you can't buy or sell what TCF has become under your inspiring guidance. This community is yours. Always has been and always will be. But I'll be damn proud to assist in the running of the place for you.

Some years ago, you signed your first letter to me like this:
"To Liberty!
"Claire"

Backatcha, M'am! To Liberty!
Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 10, 2007, 10:59:18 pm


So TCF will become TMM? And the JRC is going to offer a newsletter as well?

I'm on the donations list, I will pony up soon, I've got a few balls in the air at the moment.

padre29, that's the plan. TMM is mentioned affectionately on the dedications page in the front of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook. Claire has always liked the idea behind the concept of a "mental" militia - a militia of the mind. I'm a man who feels that today's human being is confronted with a spiritual battle, and that we're involved in a mental war for our very minds and the autonomous freedom to own our own minds. Good and evil are neither corporeal realities nor material symbols of the physical world, but both can be demonstrated to be "spiritual" in character and in expression. My purposes as an individual include doing whatever I can to enable as many people as possible to awaken to the fullest terms of engagement in the war for their minds. A newsletter focused on such goals is a fond dream shared by Basil Fishbone and myself, and we're very anxious to get that project up and running. These message boards should assist with, and in some ways facilitate, that plan. I hope what we intend to publish inspires your approval.

Thanks with Salutes!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 11, 2007, 12:40:33 am
So - I'm sure all of you would like to know what to expect with this change of ownership.

I'm glad to hear that a solution has been worked out.

Elias, I have a great deal of respect for the work you've done, but I'm going to ask one big blunt question, and I apologize if it sounds rude.

It's well known that you have strong opinions about conspiracies behind 9/11 and other events.  Is this forum going to remain a friendly place for those of us who aren't convinced of these explanations?


Your question is not rude at all. In fact, it's a good question to address at this time. Your answer is fairly simple. These boards shall for the most part continue to operate the way they currently are operated. I am not here to monitor anyone's thoughts or beliefs. Claire herself disagrees with my views on "conspiracy theories". When the level of debate remains in harmony with the zero-psychological-aggression principle, we all win by virtue of mixing contrasting or even conflicting ideas in debates which hopefully reveal valuable insights for both sides of any argument. I'm here to learn. And I'm also here to share what I think I've learned. As I see things, consciousness works. No one here is required to believe anything, so far as I know. What I shall expect of members here is that everyone here demonstrate an appreciation for the writings of Claire Wolfe and the principles of personal liberty by which Claire has characterized her life and work. This place remains dedicated to Claire and I wish to see that she remains comfortable here.

What I think doesn't matter one whit. If I'm able finally to pull off a successful completion of my Conspiracy Theory threads here, I'll be as surprised as anyone else, and at that time I'll attempt to defend my premise, hypothesis, and theory with logic, facts, names, dates, places, motives, logistics, infra-structure, historic context, and any other necessary fortification for my "theory".  My theory about 9/11, btw, states that "elements within the U.S. Federal government were complicit in the planning of, execution of, and cover-up of the attacks of 9/11." I state that Osama bin Laden could not possibly have coordinated those attacks from a cave in Afghanistan, and that instead of his doing that, he has served as a hostile asset for the black ops sections of several U.S. and British and Pakistani Intelligence agencies which promote and execute false-flag terrorist events which are designed to lever political power for certain special interests. My work for the past several years has been focused on filling in all the details which shall carry forth my theory as being plausible and possible, and perhaps even probable. Exposing the government's lies about what hit this nation on 9/11 is my passion, for as I see it, when we unmask the guy behind the curtain on this 9/11 thing we'll be able to begin the dismantling of the encroaching police state here in America.

I'm all about freedom. Freedom is under attack in America. The attack on our freedom coincidentally coincides with the creation of a War on Terror. That looks very suspicious to myself and many other Americans who've taken time to look more closely into American history. Aaron Russo has looked more closely into American history and has seen what I've seen there. The Honorable Ron Paul (R,TX) has looked into American history and has seen what I've found there. I feel quite secure in my thoughts regarding the War on Terror, and feel that I'm in good company with my views as stated here at TCF on my two Conspiracy Theory threads.

I have decided to devote my life to defending freedom in America. The War on Terror is the vehicle via which the assault on Americans' freedoms is being carried out. That grand lie about a so-called "War on Terror" must be exposed, the myth must be broken before the public eye, and the guilty parties who planned this War on Terror must be brought up to justice for all the world to see. But that is only what I think. I do not expect you or anyone else on earth to believe what I see. Let us all agree or disagree as we may on any topic, but let us all always conduct our behavior here as if Claire were in the room with us. Anyone who doesn't show proper respect for Claire shall most certainly not be welcome here.

You have been a good member of and an asset to TCF. You make intelligent posts. You are very welcome and appreciated here - even if you think I'm full of hooey. No one here has any obligation to agree with me about anything. Members here are only obligated to show proper respect for Claire and Debra. I'm sure you'll do just fine. As for me, aside from my work on conspiracy theories and the Coalition's projects and running TMM, I'll be fairly invisible. I do not want to alter the tone and quality of TCF - I just want to help keep the place clean for when Claire visits.

Be free, and be here with my blessing;
Salute!
Elias


Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 11, 2007, 01:09:17 am
(snip snip snip)

Additionally ....
I am curious about the "titles" which seem to be a factor in the "new - old"  TMM and the JRC .
After being raised in and having served in the military as well as 25 + years in the Merchant Marine I am curious about the "titles"
being bandied around.
"Officer" ?  "General" ? 
Titles such as these are EARNED in the military and at sea and indicate both power and responsibility.
IE: It took me three years of grunt work and examinations to earn my License and the title  of Captain.
How do these titles apply to the new "TMM" ? "JRC" ? that will replace TCF ?
And what do they indicate or connote ?
I shall do some research on the JRG link.


"Officers" in The Jefferson River Coalition are chosen friends who assist Basil Fishbone and myself and other Officers with the administration of TJRC. Basil and I select them. Their title, "Officer", indicates that they choose to be responsible with Basil and myself in fulfilling TJRC's objectives, goals, and projects.

Generals in The Mental Militia are chosen friends who assist Basil Fishbone, Scarmig, Claire, Ragnar, Bill St.Clair, myself and other Generals with the operations and projects of TMM. There are only two ranks at TMM - General and Private.  Most of our troops are Privates, of course. But there are plenty of Generals, like Zoot, pagan, Shrike and others. But in reality, this whole thang about Generals is just something I made up. It's not real, you see. Just fantasy stuff which some of us have enjoyed playing over the years. Sorta like when I was a kid with a BB gun playing "Army" down in the river bottoms with other kids who also had BB guns.

http://www.thejeffersonrivergazette.com/whats_left_of_whats_right.htm

It's just playful game-manship. There is no need to take it seriously at all.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: A Nonny Mouse on September 11, 2007, 07:17:28 am
What relationship, if any, will exist between the forum and clairewolfe.com? Will clairewolfe.com still exist as Claire's blog and repository of her writings? Will there still be a link to the forum on clairewolfe.com?  After the transfer of ownership is complete, if I click on the "Donations" link on clairewolfe.com will the money go to Claire or to this forum? Is there a projected timeline for when the transfer of ownership will be completed?

~Scurrying back to my lurking mouse hole~

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Claire on September 11, 2007, 09:24:35 am
What relationship, if any, will exist between the forum and clairewolfe.com? Will clairewolfe.com still exist as Claire's blog and repository of her writings? Will there still be a link to the forum on clairewolfe.com?  After the transfer of ownership is complete, if I click on the "Donations" link on clairewolfe.com will the money go to Claire or to this forum? Is there a projected timeline for when the transfer of ownership will be completed?

~Scurrying back to my lurking mouse hole~

Ms. Mouse,

I can answer some of your questions.

Clairewolfe.com and Debra's site theclairefiles.com will still exist; they are separate from TCF.

For the time being, all donations (unless specifically marked for me personally) are going toward the purchase of the TCF forums.

There's no projected time for completion of payment. But Elias and I agreed on a price, and once that price is met, the deal will be done. He and I agree that the donations coming in will most likely be a (substantial) downpayment on the purchase price, but that he'll make up the bulk of the price later from his own resources -- no timeline specified. But I want to add that the transfer of ownership is separate from completion of payment. We'll transfer ownership as soon as the technical details (e.g. domain name transfer, etc.) can be done. Debra and I have talked about it and are perfectly willing to trust that payment will come. If something dire happens and it can't -- then it can't. The site will still belong to the Jefferson River Coalition.

As to the link from the blog to the forum, I hadn't really thought about it. But I don't see why not. The relationship between these forums and the blog runs too deep ever really to be broken, even once the ownership and name has been severed.

Does that help?
Claire
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 11, 2007, 02:17:29 pm
"Officers" in The Jefferson River Coalition are chosen friends who assist Basil Fishbone and myself and other Officers with the administration of TJRC. Basil and I select them. Their title, "Officer", indicates that they choose to be responsible with Basil and myself in fulfilling TJRC's objectives, goals, and projects.

Generals in The Mental Militia are chosen friends who assist Basil Fishbone, Scarmig, Claire, Ragnar, Bill St.Clair, myself and other Generals with the operations and projects of TMM. There are only two ranks at TMM - General and Private.  Most of our troops are Privates, of course. But there are plenty of Generals, like Zoot, pagan, Shrike and others. But in reality, this whole thang about Generals is just something I made up. It's not real, you see. Just fantasy stuff which some of us have enjoyed playing over the years. Sorta like when I was a kid with a BB gun playing "Army" down in the river bottoms with other kids who also had BB guns.

http://www.thejeffersonrivergazette.com/whats_left_of_whats_right.htm

It's just playful game-manship. There is no need to take it seriously at all.

Salute!
Elias

Thank you Elias for that explanation.
Being the product of a fairly strict military upbringing I will not be using any of those titles.
 Quote = "There is no need to take it seriously at all."
In my mind and according to my understanding any title denotes a power or skill.
It is my opinion  that that power or skill must be earned and/or demonstrated to be "claimed".
{IE: Granted by the one whom it effects and/or demonstrated to be as claimed }

Meanwhile .....

I will be proud to continue as a member here. [If acceptable]
Regardless of that decision, I shall continue to Honor Claire for her work to awaken and/or liberate  the citizens of this our country.
I would also like to take a moment and Thank You as well for your contributions to the establishment and furtherance of this board.
I do hope that it continues to be the comfortable educational place that I have come to enjoy visiting daily.
I feel certain it will.
Toward that effort I will indeed send along my "mite" [would that I could make it larger] to support the transfer / change-over.
Additionally I will make every effort to continue to act as a responsible contributing member where and when I am able.

{T I C}
(willing to: sweep floors, empty trash bins, change babies, babysit, make stupid jokes and YES I DO Windows)
To which I can add; gardening, wood cutting and splitting, minor vehicle repairs, make stupid jokes, primitive and modern carpentry, tree sawyering, tree felling, perimeter sentry duty, make stupid jokes, defensive combat squad leader and did I mention make stupid jokes as well as several other skills ? .... IF the Need arises.
Commuting to and from the Jefferson River Valley might  pose a problem however ......  :rolleyes:
{/T I C}

Allowance being made, I hope, for my slightly off-center sense of humor.

Respectfully,

g


Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on September 11, 2007, 02:30:42 pm


So TCF will become TMM? And the JRC is going to offer a newsletter as well?

I'm on the donations list, I will pony up soon, I've got a few balls in the air at the moment.

padre29, that's the plan. TMM is mentioned affectionately on the dedications page in the front of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook. Claire has always liked the idea behind the concept of a "mental" militia - a militia of the mind. I'm a man who feels that today's human being is confronted with a spiritual battle, and that we're involved in a mental war for our very minds and the autonomous freedom to own our own minds. Good and evil are neither corporeal realities nor material symbols of the physical world, but both can be demonstrated to be "spiritual" in character and in expression. My purposes as an individual include doing whatever I can to enable as many people as possible to awaken to the fullest terms of engagement in the war for their minds. A newsletter focused on such goals is a fond dream shared by Basil Fishbone and myself, and we're very anxious to get that project up and running. These message boards should assist with, and in some ways facilitate, that plan. I hope what we intend to publish inspires your approval.

Thanks with Salutes!
Elias

Copy that Elias.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: oldmouse on September 11, 2007, 10:53:58 pm
I read this thread. Haven't been on-line for awhile but I will give any help that I can.cash or other.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: penguinsscareme on September 15, 2007, 11:09:43 am
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: RagnarDanneskjold on September 16, 2007, 12:58:55 am
...
I stand in membrance of a line I think Peter O'Toole, or one of his cohorts, said:  "so let it be written, so let it be done."
...

Yul Bryner as Moses in The Ten Commandments  :rolleyes: not that I'm really adding to the content of this thread with that comment.  :mellow:
er uhhhhh, sorry, Yul Brynner as Rameses
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: RagnarDanneskjold on September 16, 2007, 04:29:42 am
OK. So, I missed all the brouhaha. Very interesting development. The return of TMM. Couldn't happen to a better acronym and it's been a long time coming. Elias, I'll be in touch via PM. Salute (I need to take a smiley making course, so I can learn how to make smileys. We need a salute smiley.)
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: cowardly lion on September 16, 2007, 06:12:26 pm
Just caught up after being out of town for two weeks.

Good job, Elias, thanks for the smooth transfer.  Thanks, Claire, for the gracious dis-entanglement.

I'll be sending something in real soon now.

cl
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 16, 2007, 08:40:46 pm

Elias,
Just a question.

Will there be a "complete" change ? 
Will we all need to re-register ?
Will the url change so that we will need to reprogram the 'Bookmark' for the site ?

All simple stuff  ...  I'm just asking.

Any thoughts on a change date ?


Debra,
Watch the mailbox.  Drop me a note when ?

Claire,
All the Best
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 16, 2007, 08:55:08 pm
Gooch, I think you saw this in the tcftalk becoming thementalmilitia (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=15306.msg200080#msg200080) thread, but I'll repeat it here just in case.

Tomorrow morning I plan to change http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/ to http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/ . The old links will continue to work, at least for a while, to give everyone time to update their bookmarks, but existing forum links will forward automatically to their new location.

I'm not making any changes to accounts, but you will have to type your username and password at least once, since your web browser won't associate them with the new address.

See the thread I linked to in the first paragraph for more.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 16, 2007, 09:39:59 pm

Yep as usual I went to the wrong place first. 

Thanks Bill
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 17, 2007, 05:06:47 am
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.
Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 17, 2007, 05:17:36 am

Elias,
Just a question.

Will there be a "complete" change ? 
Yes, there will be a complete change.

Quote
Will we all need to re-register ?
No.

Quote
Will the url change so that we will need to reprogram the 'Bookmark' for the site ?
Bill St.Clair has answered that one for you.

Quote
All simple stuff  ...  I'm just asking.
I'm glad you asked. Thanks.

Quote
Any thoughts on a change date ?
Monday, September 17, 2007. That is the date picked by Claire.  Bill St.Clair has worked diligently and swiftly on this, and I am sure that he has the change-over under his control. The new URL is: http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/ - You may wish to change your bookmark reference now.

Salute!
Elias


Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on September 17, 2007, 06:01:53 am
How do we add, subtract or change a Signature? I can't find a field that offers that option in my account.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 17, 2007, 06:19:21 am
How do we add, subtract or change a Signature? I can't find a field that offers that option in my account.

Go to your profile page ( http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?action=profile ), click on "Forum Profile Information" in the left column "Modify Profile" section, scroll down to the "Signature".
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on September 17, 2007, 06:34:17 am
Thanks, Bill. I was going to Account Related Settings.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: penguinsscareme on September 17, 2007, 07:07:38 am
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.
Salute!
Elias

I never had a say in it anyhow.

So do I take that to mean that my opinions are not welcome?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Scarmiglione' on September 17, 2007, 08:24:51 am
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.
Salute!
Elias

I never had a say in it anyhow.

So do I take that to mean that my opinions are not welcome?


No, I think it is a good question.  I think at the moment posters should assume the latter (anything posted is property of the domain, editing and deleting are privileges) until someone says otherwise.  That's not an official stance, just my opinion that we should err conservatively in our expectations.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Lightning on September 17, 2007, 09:30:33 am
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.


Elias, while you're naturally entitled to assert your ownership rights, I know you could have put this in a much more decent, friendly way, when responding to one of the dearest, most loyal members of TCF.  (And yes, I'm still calling it that.)

I know what the moderator power can tempt one to do, so my initial inner response was to cut you some slack.  But PSM is too good for what you threw at him.

The fact that you replied in such a heavyhanded, scornful voice tells me that you do not value what (or whom) is truly good about what these boards have become in the years since you and your crew first set them up.  And that you're not likely to take care of the good in your new term as owner.

I used happily to call you General and to offer you cyber-kisses, because I read you as wonderfully eccentric, thoughtful, kind and truly freedom-loving.  I can't say that I see you that way any longer. 

It isn't just this exchange with PSM.  It's the many insulting, belittling, unctuous, pushy, self-righteous snarls you've engendered with good, often new, people here simply because you felt like it, because you wanted to needle them into thinking exactly as you do.  You tried it with Thunder to the extent that you began sending ME long emails ranting about what you saw as his mental and other shortcomings, and openly stating that I should dump him because he didn't deserve a woman like me.  You wanted to hurt him through me.  That was when you lost my twinkling loyalty.

And so I'm not comfortable with or happy about the change in "leadership" here.  I know you're doing good work in Montana, I know you're a longtime freedom fighter, and I honor that in you and in anyone.  I thank you for what you and your friends have done to build and to maintain TCF.

But these boards were, for me, a shining jewel of beauty dedicated to the ideas and style exemplified in Claire Wolfe's writing.  That inimitable combination of delicious freedom, goodwill, can-do optimism, self-reliance, outlawish flair, and friendly community.  I've never seen it anywhere else, and I was thrilled, three years ago, to find that it existed on the net.  That is how I will always cherish and remember my days here.

To my mind, these boards don't quite fit as the Mental Militia discussion boards, nor did they ever as the SurvivalBlog boards.  I'm very much saddened by the change, although I think I understand Claire's reasons for it.

However, this isn't the place for me anymore, either.  So I wish the good people here my fondest farewell, and I very much hope we'll meet again. 

Anyone who wishes is welcome to contact me by leaving a comment at my blog (http://taranjordan.wordpress.com), or via email to taran [at] tinfoilcat [dot] com.  (Yes, that's tinfoilCat, not Hat.  ;) )  Also, my PGP key remains posted in the Tech Gulch "PGP Keys" thread (on page 4, IIRC).
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Crickpeace on September 17, 2007, 10:59:04 am
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.
Salute!
Elias
Yeeaaah.
Here's a thought.
Anyone not willing to put up with the complete and total horseshit like the above (which, I might add, will soon become the norm) is more than willing to join our merry band over at GYHD (http://www.getyourhandsdirty.net/publicsquare/index.php).   :mellow:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Jiminy on September 17, 2007, 11:06:53 am
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.
Salute!
Elias
Wow.
Well, I'll second Lightning's sentiments.  Your place now, Your rules.
That said, "That will be all?!"
To think I used to respect you...
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Joel on September 17, 2007, 11:12:16 am
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.
Salute!
Elias

I, too, question the wisdom of this reply, Elias.  I've tried to stay out of this business because I was a big part of the first moderating blowup, didn't handle it well, and wanted no part of the latest.  But PSM has tried hard to mediate between TCF and GYHD.  The issue he raises is a sore point with those who left, and arguably not without justification.  It deserves more respectful consideration.

This isn't a good way to begin, my friend.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on September 17, 2007, 11:57:38 am
After Bill's wonderful transition of the forum, this morning has certainly taken a turn to shit, IMO.  My reaction to Elias's rude, imperious and dismissive comment to PSM was a sick stomach.  Lightning's sane and well written followup added a headache. Now I'm reminded of a t-shirt that I see that says " Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints". 

It doesn't bode well that 2 of our shining stars, who've never created any dissension or caused any provocation have been bullied or run off. Two of the special people who've been voices for the freedom that we're all seeking.  Their leaving is/would be a real loss to this forum. 

Under Claire and Debra's stewardship, I had no problem behaving as a guest in their home and abiding by the minimal rules.  I've moderated my behavior and intentionally stayed off any shit lists,  but I'm no buck private in any man's army and won't tolerate disdainful treatment in my own living room.

I hate changes, but usually can give things settling time to see how the changes will work out.  I hope that Elias's comments were a failed attempt at humor or something and that he'll rectify the situation.  I'm just glad I have no mod or admin capacities because I'd have deleted that post in a heartbeat.

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 17, 2007, 12:12:09 pm
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.
Salute!
Elias

I never had a say in it anyhow.

So do I take that to mean that my opinions are not welcome?

Superior opinions generally rise to the top. Your request had already been discussed among leadership Officers here prior to your posting it. One does not receive deed and title to a public restroom simply by scrawling some graffiti on the walls, and one does not earn administrative rights here simply by posting here. Everything on these boards belongs to The Jefferson River Coalition. The Jefferson River Coalition is the parent organization overseeing the operations of The Mental Militia.

What you said makes perfect sense to me. I was not denouncing your opinion/suggestion - I was marking territory just the way a dog does when he raises a hind leg. There was a small cadre of individuals here in the past who had little or no respect for Debra and Claire (while professing to admire and respect them both) and who at the same time had a huge momentum in their assessments of the importance of their own beliefs - and they were willing to sow discontent and angst among leadership/membership here - and I'm not about to let that sort of thing begin here. Your opinions are welcome here, and you are welcome here. In fact, I appreciate your being here.

In fact, I have a mission for you, should you decide to accept it. Please go tell Prometheus I am nearly finished with the conference with Officers here concerning the deletion of his posts. I'll have a final decision on that for him this week. And, if you'd also do this for me too, please tell him I've read some of his, and your, stuff here:
http://www.getyourhandsdirty.net/publicsquare/index.php?topic=471.0

Thanks, Bro!
Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Morrigan on September 17, 2007, 12:17:29 pm
So it begins, and it is just what I feared/expected............
I echo Lightnings sentiments, stated much more eloquently than I could manage myself right now.
I also agree with coloradohermit in that "I'm no buck private in any man's army and won't tolerate disdainful treatment in my own living room."

I have not been a prolific poster in any sense, and most probably won't even be missed. However I felt that it was important to say something and not just disappear.
I wish you all the best in the path you have chosen.
And as for "I was marking territory just the way a dog does when he raises a hind leg."  I believe that truly says it all, I will not be here to pissed on.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Fardan on September 17, 2007, 12:52:05 pm
So it begins, and it is just what I feared/expected............
I echo Lightnings sentiments, stated much more eloquently than I could manage myself right now.
I also agree with coloradohermit in that "I'm no buck private in any man's army and won't tolerate disdainful treatment in my own living room."

I have not been a prolific poster in any sense, and most probably won't even be missed. However I felt that it was important to say something and not just disappear.
I wish you all the best in the path you have chosen.
And as for "I was marking territory just the way a dog does when he raises a hind leg." I believe that truly says it all, I will not be here to pissed on.


I certainly won't be missed. But  I too thought I shouldn't just disappear. The above quote says it all for me as well. And I think it's a pity because it once was, for me, a near great thing that added to my life.

It is pretty much the final nail in the coffin of my belief that there is and never has been any hope for the freedom movement on anything other than an individual basis.

Best Wishes to everyone.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: slidemansailor on September 17, 2007, 01:10:19 pm
This is familiar territory for me.  We hit a patch of mud and a bunch of folks go home. I expected a little more perseverance from you.  I think the dry trail lies just around the next corner.  Won't you guys take a few more steps along this path before deciding one muddy boot is more gunk than you signed up for?

All voices that have come this far are valuable. Every perspective lost is a loss for us all. I don't see a replacement for this place anywhere on the horizon. Though it might take a few deep breaths over the next few days, I humbly request you hang on.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 17, 2007, 01:35:28 pm

All voices that have come this far are valuable. Every perspective lost is a loss for us all. I don't see a replacement for this place anywhere on the horizon. Though it might take a few deep breaths over the next few days, I humbly request you hang on.

My salute, slidemansailor. Well said.

I might add, for the reassurance of those who are questioning matters presently, that The Jefferson River Coalition is the "owner" of TMM Forums - not just grumpy Old Elias. My Officers and I shall soon be meeting to work together to arrive at our practical policy, and I trust that we'll arrive at a consensus which will preserve the valued aspects of the TCF/Talk forums. My guess at this time is that the new format will uphold the best of the past and introduce new advances in mutual respect and accomplishment here. The forums have been sold, and some minor changes will come into being, and it is my hope that most of us here will appreciate the new steps toward activism in today's perilous times.

More shortly.
Salute!
Elias

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Mr. Bill on September 17, 2007, 01:41:38 pm
...Everything on these boards belongs to The Jefferson River Coalition....

If you mean this literally -- that the JRC acquires 100% intellectual property ownership of everything posted here -- then I will be unable to post here any more.  I can't see getting into a copyright battle over the right to re-use my own words somewhere else.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Scarmiglione' on September 17, 2007, 01:46:49 pm
As a long time member of TMM, I'm going to stick my head into this a bit more.

I've taken Elias to task for his responses here this morning (as have others), and he recognizes that he messed up.  I don't know what, or if, he can say anything to rectify it, but I leave that for him.

Since I am a TMM member, the actions of other TMM members bearing the Mental Militia title reflect upon myself and my personal honor.

If anyone has any concerns or problems or issues regarding actions or statements by TMM members, be they officers, founders, or any other title or stature, please bring them to my attention via PM, or email and I will do my best to see it resolved.

scarmig at yahoo dot com
scarmig at gmail dot com
scarmig at mailvault dot com



Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on September 17, 2007, 01:59:17 pm
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If you mean this literally -- that the JRC acquires 100% intellectual property ownership of everything posted here -- then I will be unable to post here any more.  I can't see getting into a copyright battle over the right to re-use my own words somewhere else.

I have to agree with that, Mr. Bill. The other side of that coin is that everything said here may be taken and used by the JRC for its purposes in Montana.
While I'm definitely behind TMM succeeding as a forum -- AND behind the JRC and its work in Montana -- I don't believe the two are one and the same as far as posting is concerned. I don't want my words to be hauled across country without my fore-knowledge, or used in another context or for another purpose with or without my knowledge.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on September 17, 2007, 02:01:36 pm
Sorry, scarmig, I was trying to send this while you sent your message, and the two overlapped.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Evil Twin on September 17, 2007, 02:09:20 pm
No worries, scarmig.  I am sure General Elias and his fellow "Generals" will make good decisions for all of us.  I am certainly glad he gave a stern rebuke to PSM this morning.  We need to remember our respective places in the new heirarchy of TMM.  There is the inner circle of Officers and there are the rest of us who just need to STFU and not try to confuse the issues by voicing stray opinions and asking pointed questions.

I think this quote sums it up nicely: 

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There are only two ranks at TMM - General and Private.

I can't imagine why a bunch of anarchistic freedom lovers would have a problem with that point of view. 

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on September 17, 2007, 02:12:03 pm


What a roaring start this has gotten off too...

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Scarmiglione' on September 17, 2007, 02:12:22 pm
NP, Pagan.


Here's the issue around "ownership" of words.

The technical aspect is this:  You are indeed adding bits and bytes to a physical structure that is owned by someone else.  I think from that point of view it is safe to say that the ownership of physical computers and hard drives does not change simply because a person is allowed to add bits and bytes to them.  This is the physical reality of computers and the internet.

By exerting that physical ownership, the owner of the hardware can alter it, modify it, delete it, restructure it.

But, if full ownership is given of those bits and bytes, then there is a huge problem of what happens when that ownership is violated. If the forums experience a hard drive crash and data is lost, does that mean the owner owes you reparations for destroying your property?

Now, I've not read the final text yet, but if there is not, I will champion that members in good standing have edit and delete capabilities over their own posts, if technically possible.  But, the actual, strict, line-in-the-sand ownership of the physical bits should remain with the owners of the physical hardware, to prevent the unnecessary entanglements.

After all, how could a Moderator delete Viagra spam if the spammer owns the bits that he's entered into the system?

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Dare2BFree on September 17, 2007, 02:15:36 pm
Ok, I'm going to ask everyone to just take a deep breath.  I know that there has been much turmoil here the last few months and I, along with most everyone else, would love for it to stop.  However I think we have  just a little bit more to get through.

The site was just transferred over officially this morning.  Please give the new admins time to get their feet wet and see what is going on and how to deal with some of the issues that have been inherited. 

Also know that Elias does not speak for me... only I speak for me --  I am not anyone's General and I am not a Private.  I will further Scarmig's offer of:
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If anyone has any concerns or problems or issues regarding actions or statements by TMM members, be they officers, founders, or any other title or stature, please bring them to my attention via PM, or email and I will do my best to see it resolved.

My email is posted in my profile or you can send a pm to me here. 
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Scarmiglione' on September 17, 2007, 02:21:56 pm
No worries, scarmig.  I am sure General Elias and his fellow "Generals" will make good decisions for all of us.  I am certainly glad he gave a stern rebuke to PSM this morning.  We need to remember our respective places in the new heirarchy of TMM.  There is the inner circle of Officers and there are the rest of us who just need to STFU and not try to confuse the issues by voicing stray opinions and asking pointed questions.

I think this quote sums it up nicely: 

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There are only two ranks at TMM - General and Private.

I can't imagine why a bunch of anarchistic freedom lovers would have a problem with that point of view. 



Okay, Evil Twin.   I understand that Elias behavior was wrong, and I agree with you.  I also understand why the titles of General and Private may not sit well.  I also understand that there is a lot of bad blood, broken trust, and hurt feelings with past events.

We are off to a new start, for better or for worse.  If you feel you need some closure or action in order to move in or on, please let me know what it is.  If you want to write up a list of complaints, I'll tack them to wall for you and make sure everyone hears about them.  If you have questions that you want answered, write them down and get them to me.  I can't promise to know the answers, but on my honor I'll try to find them.

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bibamufu on September 17, 2007, 02:26:05 pm
Several months ago I started the "Boring post".  Well, I'll tell you what, it sure the hell ain't boring now.

Seriously, I think we need to give TMM and Elias a chance.
JMHO

Title: Re: TCF
Post by: A Nonny Mouse on September 17, 2007, 02:55:13 pm
Does anyone who contributes money to the forum sale fund become an owner, or is ownership reserved for officers of the MM and/or JRC? I guess I'm still a little hazy on these two organizations and their relationship to this forum.  :huh:

I've been sending a donation to Claire on a fairly regular basis for a while now, and I also sent in a contribution to the forum sale fund.  I figured that since I'm not the sort to support this forum with words I could at least do so with deeds.  I'm not revealing this fact now in order to blow my own horn or expecting a pat on the back, but just so you'll know I'm not just idly posing questions.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Evil Twin on September 17, 2007, 02:58:22 pm
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Okay, Evil Twin.   I understand that Elias behavior was wrong, and I agree with you.  I also understand why the titles of General and Private may not sit well.  I also understand that there is a lot of bad blood, broken trust, and hurt feelings with past events.

We are off to a new start, for better or for worse.  If you feel you need some closure or action in order to move in or on, please let me know what it is.  If you want to write up a list of complaints, I'll tack them to wall for you and make sure everyone hears about them.  If you have questions that you want answered, write them down and get them to me.  I can't promise to know the answers, but on my honor I'll try to find them.

My only problem with Elias is this:

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Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.

Andrew deserves better than that.   And having read Elias for a few years, he is a man who crafts his words carefully and says exactly what he means.


As far as the IP aspects of this board..... I have been BBSing since 1983, and I don't think this is really such a difficult issue. 

Think of it like this:  What happens when a library gets a new book?  They own the book and can lend it out all they want or they can destroy it or mark it up or sell it.  The author still has the IP rights to what is in the book, but if the author shows up at the library, he doesn't have the right to destroy the book.  Make sense?  It does to me.  While TMM may have ownership of the bits on their computers, the author still has the IP rights to be able to use their work elsewhere.  It doesn't give the author the right to vandalize TMM's computers to take those bits back.  Every post is like a book.  No one looses their IP rights by selling or giving away a copy of their work.





Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 17, 2007, 04:06:12 pm
I'd like to propose that under the new ownership, members either be given full control over all their posts and personal information, OR that members be required to acknowledge a clearly stated policy that everything posted publicly on TCF becomes the property of the domain.  Which is not to say that members couldn't edit or delete posts, but just make it clear that that is a privilege, not a right.
Your proposal is duly noted, and I have a proposal for you in return.

I'd like to propose that under the new ownership you do not have a say in how The Mental Militia and The Jefferson River Coalition run these boards.
That will be all.
Salute!
Elias

I, too, question the wisdom of this reply, Elias.  I've tried to stay out of this business because I was a big part of the first moderating blowup, didn't handle it well, and wanted no part of the latest.  But PSM has tried hard to mediate between TCF and GYHD.  The issue he raises is a sore point with those who left, and arguably not without justification.  It deserves more respectful consideration.

This isn't a good way to begin, my friend.

To Say that I am disappointed would be an understatement. 

To say that I am surprised would be a LIE.

I had hopes ... I really did  .... I wanted it to stay at least recognizable ....  Now the "true colors"  begin to shine through.
"General" ? "Private" ? "That will be all." ? 
I was raised on these same terms and guess what ?  Freedom was not/ is not included in the Military mindset.

I hear the voices calling for patience and forbearance  BUT where is the patience and forbearance in The GENERAL ?

I am not concerned with my "property rights", I am not a writer per se and I do not see any possible benefit for anyone to quote ME.
[Properly or improperly]

Some of you I have actually touched hands with and shared a libation with.  Some of you only know me as the silly, wisecracking, boat bum. 
Meanwhile I have, rightly or wrongly, formed an emotional attachment to this board and SOME of its members.

For that emotional attachment I will be patient FOR A SHORT TIME

All of you reading this will have already figured out that I am not a "happy camper" and NOT WILLING to become a "private" in some personal army.

In a book I respect I remember reading "By their works shall ye know them ..."
Oh How true it turns out to be.

AS I Recall ....
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Quote from: Elias Alias on September 11, 2007, 01:09:17 AM
"Officers" in The Jefferson River Coalition are chosen friends who assist Basil Fishbone and myself and other Officers with the administration of TJRC. Basil and I select them. Their title, "Officer", indicates that they choose to be responsible with Basil and myself in fulfilling TJRC's objectives, goals, and projects.

Generals in The Mental Militia are chosen friends who assist Basil Fishbone, Scarmig, Claire, Ragnar, Bill St.Clair, myself and other Generals with the operations and projects of TMM. There are only two ranks at TMM - General and Private.  Most of our troops are Privates, of course. But there are plenty of Generals, like Zoot, pagan, Shrike and others. But in reality, this whole thang about Generals is just something I made up. It's not real, you see. Just fantasy stuff which some of us have enjoyed playing over the years. Sorta like when I was a kid with a BB gun playing "Army" down in the river bottoms with other kids who also had BB guns.

http://www.thejeffersonrivergazette.com/whats_left_of_whats_right.htm

It's just playful game-manship. There is no need to take it seriously at all. (Unfortunately EA Obviously does ...)

Salute!
Elias

Thank you Elias for that explanation.
Being the product of a fairly strict military upbringing I will not be using any of those titles.
 Quote = "There is no need to take it seriously at all."
In my mind and according to my understanding any title denotes a power or skill.
It is my opinion  that that power or skill must be earned and/or demonstrated to be "claimed".
{IE: Granted by the one whom it effects and/or demonstrated to be as claimed }


Meanwhile .....

<snip>
===================
Emphasis mine

Joel and scarmig,
It seems to me that Lightning, Morrigan, Fardan,Evil Twin and others are far more capable of wordsmithing than I but their comments and opinions match mine.
I will be PM-ing and emailing you both for a less public discussion.

Troubled,

g
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Joel on September 17, 2007, 04:53:18 pm
Several months ago I started the "Boring post".  Well, I'll tell you what, it sure the hell ain't boring now.

Seriously, I think we need to give TMM and Elias a chance.
JMHO



I agree.  Seriously, people, let's please just chill out and see how things go.  I was also put out by those comments, but Elias has always, for all his idiosyncrasies (Sorry, Elias, but you've got'em in spades) been a good friend of TCF and a good friend of liberty.  We can bail any time, but we can only stay if we do it right now.  TCF has been a good home; TMM deserves the chance to prove whether it will be.  If somebody starts trying to teach us how to march, I'll be one of the first to march out the door.  But it would cause me great grief, and there's no big rush.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: cowardly lion on September 17, 2007, 07:30:22 pm
With Elias' comments above, I'm withholding judgment, although I'll keep my commitment to send $ to Claire to help cover the sale.

I echo the misgivings expressed by Lightning, Morrigan and others.  EA's 'clarification' of "That will be all" as "Piss on you" came across terribly, even to one such as myself who has been avidly reading his conspiracy posts.  He is too much the wordsmith to not know how that would come across, and showed himself as simply not caring.  Since he has not reversed his stance, and he is "The General", we can only infer that questioning his policies will forever be construed as dissent.

As a legitimate question, I hope:  Will material from these forums be used on other sites and/or printed material published by the new owners, with or without permssion of the authors?

I will be watching closely to see how the atmosphere of this forum turns.  I will give it time to mature into its new manifestation, but a freedom oriented site run by an iron hand is in no wise what we were fortunate to enjoy before.

cl



Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Midnight Blue on September 17, 2007, 07:52:58 pm
I'm not changing anything I do here. I will continue to mostly browse and post when necessary/when I feel like it.
At another board I posted at for over a year I saw a very similar situation of changes and hurt feelings, and it did NOT go well at all. Hopefully the pressure is on Elias for his earlier comments and he will check his attitude and remember what freedom is. I will be watching closely.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Evil Twin on September 17, 2007, 08:17:29 pm
As a legitimate question, I hope:  Will material from these forums be used on other sites and/or printed material published by the new owners, with or without permission of the authors?

I would certainly hope they would not.  That would be the ethical equivalent of obtaining one of Claire's books, then photocopying it and distributing it.  IMHO, while TMM owns an electronic copy of any original work you have produced here, you are still the owner and only you may reproduce your work outside of this site - aside from "fair use", backups, etc.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Mr. Dare on September 17, 2007, 08:51:37 pm
  Poster's should bear in mind that nothing prohibits anyone from copying and pasting from an open board at any time, or even downloading entire site content in some cases. That said I know of no plans to republish site content, and would consider it unethical to republish someone else's work without their consent and proper attribution.
  As to the Iron Fist, That wasn't in my "contract" when I signed on and I have no plans to be a party to anything of the sort. Moderation as per the stated guidelines for the forum is as far as I go. Elias will have to speak to his own comments, and I hope that he will. The hope of a smooth transition has evaporated as Midnight has noted, however I think we will start making progress soon. I knew this wasn't going to be easy,  but I had no idea... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Midnight Blue on September 17, 2007, 09:16:00 pm
  Poster's should bear in mind that nothing prohibits anyone from copying and pasting from an open board at any time, or even downloading entire site content in some cases. That said I know of no plans to republish site content, and would consider it unethical to republish someone else's work without their consent and proper attribution.
  As to the Iron Fist, That wasn't in my "contract" when I signed on and I have no plans to be a party to anything of the sort. Moderation as per the stated guidelines for the forum is as far as I go. Elias will have to speak to his own comments, and I hope that he will. The hope of a smooth transition has evaporated as Midnight has noted, however I think we will start making progress soon. I knew this wasn't going to be easy,  but I had no idea... :rolleyes:

I believe too many feathers have been ruffled and too many were peronally invested for this to go smoothly. I feel sad for those who were/are/will be hurt by what's has and will take place.

If this board is to be about freedom and I believe most/all the folks here are about freedom, then past mistakes from months back and such must be learned from and not repeated.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 17, 2007, 09:22:49 pm
Elias,

Are you serious ?

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["<snip>  As I've injected some "growing pains" already with my firm stance of ownership to psm, (for the ultimate good of the boards and a rectification of Claire's wisdom, I trust), we'll allow some time for the dust and disgust to settle and for the Officers to be assembled in Officers' Country to discuss advances in policy here. The key and primary thing you've restated above is this - "The goal is for this forum to be exactly what it has always been, a place for the discussion of freedom, ideas, and a place for building a community of individuals interested in living free." ] emphasis mine

 :huh:
     
As long as it's YOUR version of  discussion about "living free".
Am I the only one that sees IRONY in this ?

 :angry:
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: slidemansailor on September 17, 2007, 10:45:23 pm
Too much rhetoric regarding firmly held positions.

Stop this discussion on what you, they, he or somebody will do or not do. Ownership of the negative or positive electrons is silly. Either the conversations continue as they used to or this board no longer has the value it used to.

All postures, positions and pissing-matches are meaningless.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on September 18, 2007, 01:26:49 am
Well.......I'm here for the long haul...........


Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Shrike on September 18, 2007, 02:13:02 am
Hear, hear!
Somehow, Rodney King comes to mind.  ;-P

Shrike
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 18, 2007, 04:51:48 am
With Elias' comments above, I'm withholding judgment, although I'll keep my commitment to send $ to Claire to help cover the sale.
Thank you sincerely.

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I echo the misgivings expressed by Lightning, Morrigan and others.  EA's 'clarification' of "That will be all" as "Piss on you" came across terribly, even to one such as myself who has been avidly reading his conspiracy posts.

I think a lot of people took my words for more than they said. The "that will be all" was certainly not a "piss on you". I respect and like psm, and have for years. I appreciate him. I have no inclination to "piss on" psm. Allow me to tell you what was on my mind when I found his post to which I replied.

I have watched Claire and Debra give endless energies from their days and nights in failing attempts to keep the peace around here. I've watched as a splinter group evolved and made public waves over their views in opposition to Claire's and Debra's efforts at moderating these boards. I watched as that splinter group set up a new camp for their like-minded and waged in their own minds some sort of silly competition with these message boards, and I've seen the stress and worries all that has caused to be borne by moderators here under TCF's ownership. I sat back during those shit-storms and let things roll on. But when it dawned on me to make Claire an offer, and when we worked out a deal involving TJRC purchasing these boards, and when Claire wanted the name changed, and when it was suggested to me that we name it TMM, and although I had previously thought we'd name it The Jefferson River Coalition Message Boards, and when the time in the hour-glass was running down fast and a decision had to be made finally about what to change the name to, I decided to go with TMM.  It could have just as easily been named TJRC Forums, and TMM could have been held a little longer for a different sort of resurfacing. But it was finally seen to be an advantage for both Claire and myself if we went with TJRC buying the boards from Claire and Debra for the purpose of promoting both TJRC and TMM. (I do think that will work nicely, as we shall see.)

So I dropped in here and there was psm's post seeking to assist in the policy-setting processes of TMM before TMM got a full day in as the new administration of and namesake for the boards. I already knew psm was a sort of intermediary between that splinter site and this one, and I figured to send the word as bluntly and directly as I could just as fast as psm had been in advising us about desired policy which would be acceptable to people who've been banned by Claire for incessant nagging and complaining over the way these boards had been being administered. So I wrote that post to psm from a more generalized assortments of purpose - not so much to be an attack on him, but to use his post as an opportunity to let the splinter people know I would not play their petty games. It seems to have come across to them that I'm going to now "rule" these boards with an "iron fist" and tolerate no "dissent". Nothing could be further from the truth, but as time shall reveal, all of those comments, including the paraphrase of my statement into suggesting that it meant I intended to tell psm "Piss on you", were nothing more than projections from mentalities which had been eagerly waiting to hear TJRC's mission statement so they could go to work on analysis and dissection and micro-inspection. Will General Elias make us all swear to believe in his conspiracy theories? Will he let us delete our posts when TJRC takes over? How will he make things different over there at TCF-now-to-be-TMM? Do they know that we're over here in our new digs just waiting to see the demise of TCF? Many of those splinter people have called me names and have written personal attacks on me, and this morning they used my blunt note to psm as their lauching pad to stir the soup here mightily as they could. Even you have chimed in, with this:

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  He is too much the wordsmith to not know how that would come across, and showed himself as simply not caring.  Since he has not reversed his stance, and he is "The General", we can only infer that questioning his policies will forever be construed as dissent.

Actually, you see, my policies are not my policies, but instead are the policies sculpted by my excellent Staff of TMM Officers and by my excellent Staff at TJRC. (Far out, eh - the Staff members at TJRC do not have to be "Generals" or "Privates", but can continue to work in the mental revolution as leaders in the Coalition. I'm pleased to announce that a number of our TJRC Officers are also TMM Generals, preferring to work with both organizations. I really salute those hardy and fearless and tireless souls. And - double parentheses: [The "Private" rank does not exist, a fact which is sure to disappoint some here. We'll deal with that projection later, but in the meantime I would challenge any detractor to recall for me when was the last time they heard me refer to any member in TMM as a "Private". The untidy little secret is that there are only Generals in TMM, because in my own weird view on relationship and anti-authoritarianism, an organizational approach to something which by definition defies organizing required that all TMM people be Generals - keeps 'em from pullin' rank, y'kno?)

Now let's get to the real reason I have picked this one post as the one which I might reply this evening. This question demonstrates the level of fear which seems to permeate the splinter faction here and there -

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As a legitimate question, I hope:  Will material from these forums be used on other sites and/or printed material published by the new owners, with or without permssion of the authors?

You give your permission to have your post read over the Internet the moment you hit that send button to make the posting of your words and thoughts onto a message board. As someone else has noted, anyone can copy any post on any message board. What they do with that post after they copy it is a matter of concern, so let me just tell you a few things about my views on using other people's statements without obtaining their permission (excepting Fair Use re-posting which I only do in conjunction with listing my source and the original author). I do not do that stuff, and anyone who has known me any length of time at all knows that perfectly well. I always attribute the source, and if I do not know the source, I admit that and ask readers to forward to me that source if any reader might know it. That is how I am. It is absurd for people to think anything different about me.

But.... Whatever you post here is open to be read and to be linked to by anyone on the Internet. While it sits on these boards, it is both your and TJRC's shared property by virtue of your posting it onto boards you do not own and those boards making it possible for you to do that. No one can be responsible for someone else who might copy your post and paste it onto another board elsewhere, and I certainly can not be responsible if someone copies your post and then publishes it in a book with out your permission. You assume the liability for such loss by posting to the Internet. I've been on message boards since 1999 and I've never had a temptation to violate another man's writing by calling it my own, or by attempting to sell it, or by attempting to assign its origin to some other individual source. By virtue of the fact that I give a good gawd damn about taking care in the selection of my own words, I assert for you now that that in itself is a known indicator of my method and intent regarding whatever is posted here. 

I honor it as your property because you are the originating source. And I demand that you honor my property because you needed my property to place your post on my property.

What I am interested in here is getting started with a new mission for TCF's good old boards by outdistancing petty disturbances caused by folks who go off half-cocked, who cast insults or derisions based on incomplete understanding, and who make erroneous projections from their minds outwardly onto message boards they do not own and clamor for their "rights" to do so. I'm an older man nowadays, and I don't really have time for such nonsense.

In case younger people with plenty of energy and time have not noticed, it appears that a massive mechanism posing as the U.S. Federal government is hell-bent on kicking all of our butts in a martial law circus of oppression. My Staff is investigating all options regarding the disposition of posted material here, and when we think we've found the right balance for a solution to this controversy I will announce our policy.  What I would like for readers here to know is that we are working on this issue. We also have software issues which must be handled along our way. I have no intention of using anyone's material anywhere other than right here on these boards where post-makers place it. Place it here, it's yours and mine in those terms. Other than linking to it, I've no other use for it, and shall not use it otherwise without your prior consent.

I really hope this reply answers your questions. I am trying to be both firm and cooperative for you, so I hope I did not offend you with the way I worded this reply.

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I will be watching closely to see how the atmosphere of this forum turns.  I will give it time to mature into its new manifestation, but a freedom oriented site run by an iron hand is in no wise what we were fortunate to enjoy before.

cl

Perhaps the "iron hand" thing is something others have made up today, eh? I certainly did not state that I intended to "rule this place with an iron hand". And I humbly submit that of the many people here who've known me for years, it is doubtful if any of them would think I'm a closet case for iron hands. But like you, I too will watch closely to see what "atmosphere" develops here. With the Staff presently assembled here to guide me, I feel that in the end we're gonna see the spirit of Claire Wolfe and her vision of freedom rise and shine here all the while her fond wishes for being able to actually *do something to educate people about liberty shall find avenues discovered through the interaction of all sorts of individual liberty-lovers such as have already gathered here under Claire's wings. Friend, I do not want to tamper with that - I want to help with that. Why else on earth would Claire consider me to be her friend? Claire knows me very well. Why else on earth would she consent to this changeover in ownership of her and Debra's boards? When folks here get used to the new name and all, I trust they'll consider the notion that Claire may actually like the fact that I'm an old war veteran who still has a streak of militancy in his blood and heart. I think she may like the fact that I'm not afraid of that silly impostor government setting in Washington D.C. right now.  Know what I mean? :) So I salute you for taking the wiser choice and watching to see what develops. I trust you'll be pleasantly surprised. But if not, we can at least talk about it like grown men of dignity. Thank you for being here and for being candid. We can work together so long as we're willing to work together.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 18, 2007, 06:09:51 am
In case younger people with plenty of energy and time have not noticed, it appears that a massive mechanism posing as the U.S. Federal government is hell-bent on kicking all of our butts in a martial law circus of oppression.

That to me is the key. Various gummints are hell-bent on stealing as much of our money as we'll let them, assaulting and kidnapping us if we defy them, killing us if we resist, and sending our sons, and likely daughters, off to die in some far-away hell-hole, killed by people they've never met and against whom they bear no grudge. Yet some folks here are complaining about subtle possible meanings of a few words that hurt their feelings. Wake up! While we're arguing about our poor bruised egos, uncle gummint is forging our chains.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on September 18, 2007, 06:46:49 am


Well Elias Alias, you have the keys as it were, are you going to finish your Conspiarcy thread and ramble?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: cowardly lion on September 18, 2007, 06:53:42 am
Elias

I thank you for your reply, but I must point out that you were the one who used the 'dog marking his territory' allusion.  Do you still think it was malcontents only who conjured up the phrase 'piss on you?

As for re-publication of thoughts and words, it never would have occurred to me that this might be the case until the issue was raised about the ownership of both sites, and the ownership of submitted work.

cl
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on September 18, 2007, 08:04:34 am
Thanks for the explanation Elias.   I still think your post to Andrew yesterday was a blunder and it really hurt my feelings to believe he was 'under attack' for asking a simple question on the minds of many.  It still feels like one of our most valuable members was being made a scapegoat to set an example and I don't think it's a very sound strategy to employ with us here.  Raising one's leg leads to a really high probability of ending up with a foot in the mouth.  That belief that someone I personally value and respect is being attacked is absolutely one thing that will raise my hackles and send me balls out into a fray. 

I don't know you, have no history with you, and have no particular opinion or expectation of you.  I'm not poised to jump down your throat because of some preconceived notions.  I agree with what you said that Claire, who does know you, wouldn't turn this board over to someone who didn't share her vision of the future here.  Early on in this thread, there were lots of folks expressing willingness to jump into leadership roles, so it's not like she turned it over to you out of desperation or anything.  I have no reason whatsoever to think that you, TMM or TJRC intend to ruin the place. 

I appreciate the visibility of the current mods.  I appreciate their attempts at keeping tempers from flaring. I respect who they are and consider the ones visible so far to be sane voices here.  If there are going to be rules, I appreciate that they're being stated up front.   I intend to hang around and make whatever puny little effort I can to promote the future success of TMM. It's in my own personal interest to do so.  As other wiser folks have already said, I hope others who make up this community of valued individualists will do so as well and take the time to make a seasoned decision about their future participation here.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Evil Twin on September 18, 2007, 08:56:58 am
And - double parentheses: [The "Private" rank does not exist, a fact which is sure to disappoint some here. We'll deal with that projection later, but in the meantime I would challenge any detractor to recall for me when was the last time they heard me refer to any member in TMM as a "Private".


I am not a detractor, nor am I normally a rabble rouser, and I do want the best for TCF/TMM.... .but since you asked...

There are only two ranks at TMM - General and Private.  Most of our troops are Privates, of course.


Or when you said "refer to any member in TMM as a "Private", did you mean a specific member?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: slidemansailor on September 18, 2007, 09:21:39 am
Thank you for the fuller explanation, Elias. It did have the smell of a longer-term discussion coming out among current events - like it does in families where the old baggage comes up in new disagreements.

As a "dog person", I understand their behaviors and signals for establishing position in the pack and the pack's territory. I use their territory marking simile myself, so didn't read it in the piss on anyone mode - found that twist a bit unfair because of my personal perspective.

This is very much like the e-mail wars I fought, well was cornered into fighting, several years ago when some opportunists wanted control of a very small state LP. What a horrid waste of time and energy and, worse, dilution of whatever power and strength we should be putting into libertarian education (not the party, but the concept of liberty) and the freedom movement.

So far the only thing that has changed here is the blood all over this thread. Would you guys please sheath your swords and help the rest of us get ready for winter?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 18, 2007, 11:15:15 am

I, personally, am very disappointed so far.

I came here because of Claire and her writings PERIOD.
What I found when I came was a board in flux.

A small group had fallen into sophomoric sexual humor and were monopolizing the board and intruding into Nearly every thread.
I did not agree that the "Ownership of intellectual property" was the basis of the "Big Brou-ha-ha". 
It was obvious to me that it was actually about "pushing the limits of propriety" to see IF there was a limit to be found.
When it [the limit] was found the response was understandable.
Some of the juvenile minded ones were banned and a whole troop of like minded folks headed off to start a Comedy Corner based on Liberty Rhetoric. {My Personal Opinion}
Things settled down and were finally going really well [in my opinion] when Claire decided to FREE herself from an unwanted obligation that had been handed to her.  I understand that completely and wish her ALL the BEST in all she may undertake.
[I would NOT have let my name and reputation be used in this manner in the First Place]
A new Owner is announced and the title at the top of the page changes but little else, at first glance.
[WELL DONE Bill]
On a closer inspection I discover that even an open suggestion  or proposal is viewed as an affront to the new Owner and a Firm Stance
{"with my firm stance of ownership to psm, (for the ultimate good of the boards and a rectification of Claire's wisdom, I trust)"}
 is felt to be needed on Day One.
Rather than a polite "No Thank You We have other plans ..... "  as an answer.
AND this impolite, disrespectful answer is delivered with a flippant "begone serf" attitude. {"That will be all."}
Now this smacks of the "for your own good ..."  [see above quote] argument that Big Gov is trying to force down our throats.
So just how is this different just because it is wearing a Brown Coat ?


I have no problem with propriety rights either way.
In my mind when I post something on the net it becomes "Public" when I hit the send button.

MY PROBLEM is with Attitude towards and Respect for the members on this or any forum board.

Being an Owner does indeed allow one to treat "customers" and "staff" any way one wishes PROVIDED one is willing and ready to accept the response from said customers and staff.
In the capitalist mercantile world we are enjoined to think for ourselves and vote with our feet/dollars.
 
Some have already "Voted" and "NO Effing way" was their clear vote.

I am going to wait a bit and closely watch this "Officer Corps" when they emerge from their "Officer's Country" and see what sort of changes come about.
{You don't know what sort of evilness those terms hold for some of us who didn't just "play army" as a GAME with BB guns.
People really died. People we knew and loved. Because of "Officers" and their "Orders" from out of "Officer's Country".}
BUT ....  I don't intend to stay as anybodies Private.  I EARNED my stripes in the REAL THING not some game.

It can't be both ways at once.
Either there are no Privates and we're all Generals or there are Privates and Generals and I will move on and try to find a board run by adults with Respect for each other and their viewpoints.

Quote SMS
"Would you guys please sheath your swords and help the rest of us get ready for winter?"

Talk to Your General about drawing swords in a crowded room full of armed Individuals.
I, personally, will defend ANYONE on this board from an unwarranted attack.
On this board as in REAL LIFE.
On.   My.   Honor.
I will also admit fault when I am at fault
To do otherwise is to not have any Honor.




 
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 18, 2007, 11:30:42 am


Well Elias Alias, you have the keys as it were, are you going to finish your Conspiarcy thread and ramble?

Heh! I think that the first thing I'm going to do is sit here and draw up my apology to psm. While only more years can remove the red from my beard, submitting my apology to psm would certainly help me get the red out of my face, ya think? :)

Re: Conspiracy Theories: Shoot, Mon! Nobody believes 'em anyway. They can wait while we adjust course here.
Re: Rambling: We don't EVEN want to go there right now.... here's why I would say that..... no wait - it would be rambling if I tried to explain or define or rationalize or indicate or accent or emphasize or symbolize or.... or....

See? We really don't want to go there right now. :)

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on September 18, 2007, 12:05:13 pm


Well Elias Alias, you have the keys as it were, are you going to finish your Conspiarcy thread and ramble?

Heh! I think that the first thing I'm going to do is sit here and draw up my apology to psm. While only more years can remove the red from my beard, submitting my apology to psm would certainly help me get the red out of my face, ya think? :)

Re: Conspiracy Theories: Shoot, Mon! Nobody believes 'em anyway. They can wait while we adjust course here.
Re: Rambling: We don't EVEN want to go there right now.... here's why I would say that..... no wait - it would be rambling if I tried to explain or define or rationalize or indicate or accent or emphasize or symbolize or.... or....

See? We really don't want to go there right now. :)

Salute!
Elias

Well testarossa, you certainly stepped into the flamming bag of dog poo with that one... :laugh:

I like the conspiracy threads, I do think that there is too much extrapolation that happens with outer edge theories, but they are food for thought.

And for me, I understood what you were saying and what you were talking about, perhaps one can be a great brain surgeon and have a bad bedside manner?
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Mr. Dare on September 18, 2007, 12:16:21 pm
Nicely said Elias.
  Gooch, the administrative staff here has been discussing these issues a lot in the past 24 hours (as you can imagine). I understand your misgivings over the issue of "titles" as well and do not plan to use them myself, even in jest. I view my role as an administrator, and will do everything to keep this board running as a trust for the members (which I also am). I only ask the NON administrators to remember that the "title" of Administrator on a moderated forum is a burden not privilege. The last 24 hours have been quite stressful, and that promises to be the case for some time. I am adding a lot of responsibilities an already full schedule. I have agreed to accept this burden because I care about this forum and its members. I want to see it continue to be a place for the discussion of freedom related issues, and a welcome place for those new to the freedom movement as well as the established members. It may take some time to earn the trust of the members at large, but from my discussions with the other Owners/Administrators I am confident that we can earn that trust. We are talking privately because it facilitates honest open discussion and more rapid progress. Rest assured that all decisions will be made public, all of us plan to take full responsibility for our individual actions as administrators, and all members will have the opportunity to respond as they see fit without fear of reprisal or condemnation. The final result should be a forum you recognize and will find a free, open and welcome place to spend some time as you have done in the past. So far there are no plans to change any of the participation guidelines, the spirit of the published rules is not under debate. No changes under discussion should adversely effect anyone that I know of at this point. We still have some things to hash out and then put them in a concise form for your perusal. Thats the "problem" with dealing with intelligent and dedicated people, lol you actually critically read what we post! We need to make sure we minimize the chances of misunderstanding.
   Thanks for your patience, I know it is not boundless.
                                                                                                   Mr. Dare
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Pagan on September 18, 2007, 12:27:14 pm
Oh, god, Mr. Dare... that I could be so patient and diplomatic!
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 18, 2007, 12:45:27 pm
Well.......I'm here for the long haul...........




Yeah..... but are you gonna be willin' to carry water and chop wood? < wicked grin >

Keep yer ears open, Bro. And yer eyes. I'll be talkin' atcha very shortly.

And - Thanks, Zoot.
Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: coloradohermit on September 18, 2007, 01:02:50 pm
I have agreed to accept this burden because I care about this forum and its members. I want to see it continue to be a place for the discussion of freedom related issues, and a welcome place for those new to the freedom movement as well as the established members.

Thanks Mr. Dare and well stated.  I think this is a burden/responsibility we should each take on.  As freedom seekers we should each see clearly that the success or failure of TMM doesn't rest solely on the shoulders of Elias.  If I want a viable community, then I have a responsibility to continue on as a contributor of the caliber and quality that I seek from others.  Bless the folks who've just gone about their business, making posts,  and keeping things afloat.  Bless the cool voices of reason who've chimed in to keep things from getting out of control.  I'm glad a few tempers flared and that seemed entirely appropriate.  This all tells me that we each have a role and place here now and in the future.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 18, 2007, 01:13:30 pm


Well Elias Alias, you have the keys as it were, are you going to finish your Conspiarcy thread and ramble?

Re: Rambling: We don't EVEN want to go there right now.... here's why I would say that..... no wait - it would be rambling if I tried to explain or define or rationalize or indicate or accent or emphasize or symbolize or.... or....

See? We really don't want to go there right now. :)

Salute!
Elias

Well testarossa, you certainly stepped into the flamming bag of dog poo with that one... :laugh:

Uhm, methinketh I'll not be referring to anything canine just now. Mayhaps tomorrow. Can we say I stepped into cat poo instead? :)

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I like the conspiracy threads, I do think that there is too much extrapolation that happens with outer edge theories, but they are food for thought.

Bless you!

I sorta like conspiracy threads too. Without them, everything on earth becomes too simple. But say, Amigo - allow me to whet your appetite for when I do get back to honing those threads. What would you think if I told you I've met and conversed with a man I first heard coming over talk-radio here in Montana and that the gentleman was for twenty years an Assistant Under-Secretary of State who worked in Counterintelligence and Terrorism? And what if I told you that this gentleman has agreed to allow me to interview him face to face? And what if I told you that the gentleman is the co-creator of Tom Clancy's "Net Force" and "Op Center" novel series? And what if I told you this gentleman has said things over the public airwaves which I've got taped and copied for the record - and that those things allow much more leverage for "extrapolation" of the sort which is right up my alley? And what if I told you that this gentleman has stated (paraphrasing here, but I'm backing this up presently with his actual quote of February 15, 2007, which I have recorded from his radio broadcast) that "9/11 was a government stand-down and a psychological operation executed by order of the President"?

Of course this is neither the place nor the time to go into it, but I just wanted to excite your curiosity since you've enjoyed my previous threads on conspiracy theories. But we can take a peek at this gentleman's website now.....

http://www.stevepieczenik.com/

 .... and, since below in this post I've quoted you saying something about a "great brain surgeon" with "bad bedside manners",  I'll recommend looking at his bio page link:

http://www.stevepieczenik.com/bio.htm

The guy is a psychiatrist and a medical doctor, and Tom Clancy's co-author/co-creator, as well as having published his own books. I've met him twice, called into two of his live radio broadcasts, exchanged several emails with him, and have his agreement to grant me an interview. I have his political radio shows on discs and am studying them to prepare for our interview. You ain't gonna believe what this guy has already stated publicly - so stay tuned here for updates on my new relations with Dr. Pieczenik. Since you mentioned conspiracy theories, lol.....



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And for me, I understood what you were saying and what you were talking about, perhaps one can be a great brain surgeon and have a bad bedside manner?

Nicely portrayed, and accurate, imo. Thank you very much for your understanding and for your amiable wisdom.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: padre29 on September 18, 2007, 01:38:39 pm


Sounds interesting, a bit off topic really but it shoudl make for some informative reading/listening content.
Title: Autographed Book
Post by: Claire on September 19, 2007, 09:54:35 am
... No, not one of my books -- though I could throw one of mine in as a bonus.

When the late, great Loompanics went out of business, one of its many titles left orphaned (not picked up by another publisher) was Gourmet Cannabis Cookery: The High Art of Marijuana Cuisine by Dan D. Lyon.

The author of this book is a quiet member of TCF/TMM and I owe him a public apology. I have done him two sad disservices over the years. When his book first came out, I promised him I'd review it and/or interview him in a WND Hardyville column. Then I quit WND and left the review unwritten. When Loompanics went away, I asked "Dan's" permission to scan and OCR the book and put it online. He said yes and sent me an autographed copy. Now I've gone and quit everything -- and left that job undone, too. (Dan, I won't blame you if you think I'm a horse's ass.)

BUT ... If someone reading this will agree to scan, OCR, and put the book online, I'll send my autographed copy, and a bonus autographed book of my own. Since I've left poor "Dan" hanging for years, I'm asking this someone to agree to have the book online within one month. (Can't have anybody else compounding my neglect.)

Speak up if you want it and can do it. And "Dan," if you're reading this and the idea is not okay with you, please let me know.

Claire
Title: Re: Autographed Book
Post by: Dare2BFree on September 19, 2007, 09:56:33 am
I can get it scanned and put online if "Dan" is still willing for it to be done.
Title: Re: Autographed Book
Post by: Claire on September 19, 2007, 10:14:39 am
I can get it scanned and put online if "Dan" is still willing for it to be done.

Yay! If I don't hear some objection from "Dan," I'll send the book(s) off to you later this week. PM me, please, to tell me which of my books you'd like me to send along with it. I don't have copies of them all. I'll have to go check what I do have. But I'm sure I have TFOH and a couple of the others. So ask and I'll go dig into the storage boxes.

Claire

P.S. I referred to scanning and OCRing. But if you have a better way -- say scanning the pages as graphics or whatever ... well, do whatever works, of course.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Elias Alias on September 21, 2007, 12:22:27 pm
The focus on this thread has shifted to a focus of anticipation.

The anticipation is to see my apology to PSM.

That begins this morning.

It is here: http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=15369.0

I thank each of you for waiting to see how this would work out. I hope that apology shall end this thread and begin a new era for these wonderful old message boards. May each of us make of life's changes what we will....

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: da gooch on September 21, 2007, 05:10:53 pm
Anticipation ?

For me it's consternation.  I'm amazed and confused that anyone here for any length of time would
make such a slip [Freudian ?] and that it would reveal such an attitude.

While I am glad to see an apology to PSM and a return apology from PSM to Elias ...
The point that I, personally, was offended with and concerned about has not been addressed.
At least not directly as yet.
My primary concern was the underlying 'attitude' towards the entire board which was displayed.

These three sentences make me think that the attitude previously expressed may yet be addressed.

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"I've been dragging my feet on getting my apology to you up onto the boards here this week after my bombshell post to you. Saying something on the run like that, without pausing to reflect upon possible flak, potential blow-back, and unintended consequences, without thinking about how it would explode inside your heart and soul, is not what I would expect of myself - yet that is what I did and that is what happened. But my apology will include and address more than just the personal hurt, as we shall see during the course of this new thread."

I do not pretend to lay claim to any special powers, rights or privileges.
I am indeed "just a citizen soldier" in this undeclared conflict for our Freedoms and Liberty.
I do however lay claim to and will insist upon, at the very least, a modicum of respect.
Respect for myself, my ideas [however harebrained] and my opinions.
I do Not expect Anyone to agree with everything [or anything] that I may say on these boards. [In fact I would be most surprised.]
While I readily admit to being a n00b [here and to the fight for Liberty] I do not think that this board has had a history of any attitude other than general mutual respect.
I refuse to believe that direct disrespect has been a part and parcel of this board and I have just been too dense to 'see' it.

I only make this post to point out that my participation here [or at any other board] is contingent upon my "feeling" comfortable and respected. 
As is the participation of everyone else here.
Rational respectful opposition to any point, position or argument I might proffer is expected and welcomed.
Opposition or debate will enable me to learn to think [better or more in depth] and further solidify my position or to recognize and correct an incorrect assumption or position.
Disrespect is not expected and will not be accepted, condoned or suffered silently.

Elias, I thank you for your public admission of your less than well considered remarks to PSM.
PSM, ditto. [Although I do not frequent GYHD so I am not aware of any specifics which is fine with me]
Elias, Please be aware, as I am sure you are, that Most of us took some degree of umbrage at your remarks.
Some more than others as they have since decamped.

I, Personally, have decided to adopt a wait and see position.
I hold out the hope that the overall "good vibe" of our common past will be restored, maintained and that most if not all of our offended 'brethren' will return.

BUT I know I am a Pollyanna at heart.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on September 22, 2007, 02:56:36 am
I do not pretend to lay claim to any special powers, rights or privileges.
I am indeed "just a citizen soldier" in this undeclared conflict for our Freedoms and Liberty.
I do however lay claim to and will insist upon, at the very least, a modicum of respect.
Respect for myself, my ideas [however harebrained] and my opinions.
I do Not expect Anyone to agree with everything [or anything] that I may say on these boards. [In fact I would be most surprised.]
While I readily admit to being a n00b [here and to the fight for Liberty] I do not think that this board has had a history of any attitude other than general mutual respect.
I refuse to believe that direct disrespect has been a part and parcel of this board and I have just been too dense to 'see' it.

I only make this post to point out that my participation here [or at any other board] is contingent upon my "feeling" comfortable and respected. 
As is the participation of everyone else here.

Yeah,   what you said.  That post sure changed the way I feel about being in here.  I almost responded to it, decided not to,  and still ain't gonna,  but...

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Rational respectful opposition to any point, position or argument I might proffer is expected and welcomed.
Opposition or debate will enable me to learn to think [better or more in depth] and further solidify my position or to recognize and correct an incorrect assumption or position.
Disrespect is not expected and will not be accepted, condoned or suffered silently.

Ditto.

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I, Personally, have decided to adopt a wait and see position.
I hold out the hope that the overall "good vibe" of our common past will be restored, maintained and that most if not all of our offended 'brethren' will return.

BUT I know I am a Pollyanna at heart.

And ditto again.
Title: Re: TCF
Post by: iloilo on September 22, 2007, 05:47:27 pm
I have spent a bit of time today trying to catch up, read posts and get a feeling for how some of us are feeling.  
Since I have been appointed administrator, if anyone needs to communicate with me about anything, you can do so at ilo at iloilojones.com or through a PM here.

Transitions are never easy for anyone.  Moving is not easy.  

I am going to try to carry on in my usual fashion, and continue to post and be as always.  May it be possible.
I must take a part  of the blame for the whole private/general thing.

Back in the early days of TMM, when Elias and Bark were just getting TCF started, some of us took to calling Elias "da general" of TMM.  Not that he ever gave orders, because he didn't.  It was just a silly thing of TMM.  Back then, "da general" was carrying the time and financial costs of TMM and TCF during that period, and we let him know WE weren't responsible by pointing at him and saying "you're da general"  which meant he did a lot of the work, and even Bark bossed him around.  We all did.  It was a silly thing, as I said, and the humor lightened the burden of hiding new outlaws, planning rendezvous points for freedom-seekers, helping people find shelter, putting people up and feeding them, helping people find jobs, all the rest.  I guess you had to have been there then to get the feel of it.   Some of that still goes on around here.

Okay, enough boring history, back to having fun and reclaiming freedom.  I just hope you all will stay around and give this transition a chance to settle down and the air to clear.  I know I am not going to stir up any more dust, except fairy dust.     :laugh:

But if you need to communicate with me for any reason, I am here.
Title: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on February 08, 2008, 03:22:04 pm
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5551257

... because there are other things in life worth buying besides guns & ammo.  :rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Phssthpok on February 08, 2008, 05:29:10 pm
CLAIRE!!

You live!! ^_^
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on February 08, 2008, 05:32:11 pm
CLAIRE!!

You live!! ^_^

Last I checked, yes. Haven't been around much lately. But still breathing.
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Lisa Aenne on February 08, 2008, 06:40:58 pm
Can you use paypal for a purchase?
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on February 08, 2008, 07:19:38 pm
Can you use paypal for a purchase?

Yes, absolutely. I take PayPal and "other" -- which in this case is money orders plus various sorts of barters and bribes.  :laugh:  I think a buyer would have to contact me to get an address for sending money orders.

Nobody has ordered yet (and nobody should feel obligated to) so I don't know how the ins and outs of Etsy's ordering system. But there are "Add to cart" buttons at the top and bottom of each item's page. So, with a little luck, that ought to get the job done.

In the "Show & Tell" forum at TMM, I've asked anyone who's interested to critique my Etsy site -- photos, text, the items themselves. I'm just learning to do all this & will appreciate any constructive criticism.

Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Junker on February 08, 2008, 08:27:35 pm
Good work. It reminds me of youth...60s...black velvet...

(http://delanion.com/xg/ilm.jpg)

Yes, good work.
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: padre29 on February 08, 2008, 08:37:54 pm
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5551257

... because there are other things in life worth buying besides guns & ammo.  :rolleyes: :laugh:

Ammo and Guns maybe? :laugh:

Nice Claire, a Egyptian sort of feel to them as well.

Do you make any men's jewelry?
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on February 08, 2008, 11:18:32 pm
Yes, good work.

Thank you very much, Junker. The one you chose to feature here is a favorite of mine.

(Edited to fix egregious grammatical goof, oh my!)
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on February 08, 2008, 11:26:28 pm
Ammo and Guns maybe? :laugh:

Well, there's also dried lentils, generators, and tools, too.

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Nice Claire, a Egyptian sort of feel to them as well.

Yes, although I can't really claim credit for that. Those tabs are sold in groups that are often called "Cleo sets" or "Cleopatra fans," so I think the Egyptian is built in. From there, it's only how you vary the theme.

But I do love that look and am having fun starting to let go with new designs. I have a ways to go yet, I think, before I hit my best stride. But every time I sit down, I remind myself, "Don't worry about what colors someone else might like. Don't worry about what's 'in' or not. Just let the colors and textures and what's inside you be your guide."

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Do you make any men's jewelry?

Hm. Good question. I haven't yet, and I've been doing this only about four months. I'm trying to think of what men might like in jewelry. Not conventional stuff. Maybe leather,feathers and big, unpolished stones? Or are you thinking something more formal?
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: padre29 on February 10, 2008, 11:04:08 pm


Well Claire, I don't know what I like in jewelry myself, more of a see it and like and buy it type of shopper...
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on February 13, 2008, 02:31:17 pm
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5551257

Inspired by two purchases (Thank you!  :wub: ) and one interested inquiry, I've now added nine more necklaces and a pair of earrings -- including one necklace that might be suitable for a man -- particularly a hippie/mountain man sorta guy.
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Tahn L. on February 14, 2008, 11:41:12 am
Wow, great delivery. It arrived yesterday, along with Backwoodshome Magazine. Talk about a double nice delivery.

Thanks Claire, it is really lovely!
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on February 14, 2008, 04:46:16 pm
Thank you, Tahn -- for the purchase and the very kind feedback here, at Etsy, and via email. (For those who don't know, Tahn is a jewelery-maker himself and he's been more than generous with helpful advice.) I did mail your piece the same day I got your order, but the two-day delivery was an act of unusual kindness on the part of the USPS.

Wow, three purchasers already! With your encouragement, I just added five more pieces to my Etsy store. But don't worry; I won't keep barraging you all with new items. I've run out! Now I have to go off into my beader's den and make some more.

Next hoped-for step: Sell a few pieces to people who don't even know me.  :rolleyes:

Thank you all for looking.

Claire
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Claire on March 02, 2008, 12:55:44 pm
I almost hate to ask. I really hoped these DVDs would get further down the list before somebody dropped the ball.

But ... who has them now?
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: velojym on March 02, 2008, 04:38:02 pm
I just checked my PM box. I don't see any messages at all from DullHawk. I'm not sure what happened, but I think we conversed sometime before that
little problem I had with my account.
I can't remember whether he messaged me upon receipt, but it was last Fall, and I'm nothing like Mrs V when it comes to memory.


'Hawk? 'dja get it?
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: da gooch on March 02, 2008, 08:22:04 pm
AND ... If I may ....

Where is the list itself ?
I know I am behind Leonidas but who would get it after me ?

Anybody heard from DullHawk lately ?

Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: packrat on March 03, 2008, 12:13:27 am
From what I can see this would appear to be the list....with me added to the end of it.

1. Ian
2. Velojym (who cheated with the pic of Zoe; hey, cheating works some times, just ask any politician)
3. Heartless (who cleverly appealed to my writerly vanity; and really, that was funny)
4. Dull'Hawk (because we need to save the world from him)
5. canaan (because the cat threat is so truly dire)
6. Jac (because of course we must do something FOR THE CHILDREN)
7. Kel (because movies MUST have popcorn!)
8. Simon Jester
9. Thunder (who almost got bumped higher; that cat threat is really serious)
10. cowardly lion
11. azcoyote
12. Swami Rabbitima
13. saltydog
14. Pagan
15. Henshawe
16. Kramjam
17. motherbatherick
18. Redmist
19. A Nonny Mouse
20. Roy J. Tellason
21. feralfae
22. Leonidas
23. gooch
24. packrat


Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: cowardly lion on March 03, 2008, 01:26:17 pm
So, who's got them??

cl
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on March 06, 2008, 01:04:38 am
The impression I got the last time I was reading this thread was that Dullhawk had them.  And I also recall some stuff going down where he was supposed to move and then that whole deal fell through,  and he was putting some stuff up for sale,  etc. If that's what's going down,  then he's probably got his hands full,   which would tend to put these DVDs on the low side in his priorities,  or at least that'd be the case if it were me,  and I've been there,  done that one too damn many times...

He doesn't strike me as a dishonorable person at all,  and I expect that if he does indeed have them and circumstances are what's keeping him from passing them on then he'll deal with them at a later time.  If he can.

Life sure can suck,  sometimes...
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Dare2BFree on March 06, 2008, 06:13:55 am
The impression I got the last time I was reading this thread was that Dullhawk had them.  And I also recall some stuff going down where he was supposed to move and then that whole deal fell through,  and he was putting some stuff up for sale,  etc. If that's what's going down,  then he's probably got his hands full,   which would tend to put these DVDs on the low side in his priorities,  or at least that'd be the case if it were me,  and I've been there,  done that one too damn many times...

He doesn't strike me as a dishonorable person at all,  and I expect that if he does indeed have them and circumstances are what's keeping him from passing them on then he'll deal with them at a later time.  If he can.

Life sure can suck,  sometimes...


Maybe it would be a good idea for someone to email him and check in...see how he's doing, be a friend.  I'll try and get something off to him later today.  I'm sure he would appreciate the effort by anyone else also.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Jac on March 06, 2008, 12:01:02 pm
Aw, crap... I think this one would be, in the parlance of our times, "my bad". Just dropped the ball; I'm not even sure I ever got around to watching them.

Feel free to beat me about the head and shoulders with a turkey drumstick.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: iloilo on March 06, 2008, 12:08:53 pm
 :laugh: :laugh:  You are excused from beatings for today.   :laugh: :laugh:
Okay, so watch 'em and ship them off to Kel  ! 
ff
Title: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Claire on March 08, 2008, 03:55:05 pm
I finally saw the extended edition of The Lord of the Rings recently and thought it was an even more awesome masterpiece than the theatrical release. Has anybody out there got a full DVD set, widescreen, extended ed. that they'd like to sell or trade?

If you prefer the theatrical release to the long version I could swap you straight across for it (I have double-disc sets of all three films, very lightly used).

Otherwise, name your terms.

Claire
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 08, 2008, 10:13:23 pm
I bought it when it first came out and haven't watched the "short version" since then........

I noticed that Malwart is selling the extended version as individual volumes in a collectors set that actually includes both versions for for $20 a volume......
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Anduril on March 09, 2008, 11:30:37 am
I finally saw the extended edition of The Lord of the Rings recently and thought it was an even more awesome masterpiece than the theatrical release. Has anybody out there got a full DVD set, widescreen, extended ed. that they'd like to sell or trade?

If you prefer the theatrical release to the long version I could swap you straight across for it (I have double-disc sets of all three films, very lightly used).

Otherwise, name your terms.

Claire

    Why, I'd be honoured to ante up for that.   :laugh:
 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Lord+of+the+Rings+extended+DVD&Go.x=9&Go.y=13&Go=Go

    Buy what you like, and I'll PayPal the bux across. Or as you wish.

    Regards,

    Anduril



Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Claire on March 09, 2008, 02:30:50 pm
Anduril! Thank you. I'm very moved, but I can't accept such kindness. I'd love to trade for a set, but I wouldn't ask you to pay for a set just for me.

Still ... it's good to see via your Amazon link and an eBay search that used 12-disc sets are available for under $35. If nobody has anything they want to trade, that's not a bad price. But bless your good heart -- in that case I'd pay for it myself.

But I'll wait and see if anybody wants to do a swap.

In addition to the theatrical release of LOTR, I have other DVDs I'd consider putting into a trade. For example: "Harry's War" (viewed once), "Buckaroo Banzai," and "Gattaca" (each viewed two or three times). Also, I might have a few of my books left someplace. I'd have to check.

Claire

Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: iloilo on March 10, 2008, 07:35:14 pm
Maybe Anduril could offer the set up to join our lending/circulating library?  Start another list like the one we have for another set of videos?
Would this work?

ff
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Claire on March 10, 2008, 08:20:20 pm
Maybe Anduril could offer the set up to join our lending/circulating library?  Start another list like the one we have for another set of videos?
Would this work?

ff

If Anduril wanted to do that, I'd definitely think it was nice of him -- and I think it's a sweet idea from you as well, feralfae. However, given that the other set of videos has disappeared into a black hole before even reaching the fourth recipient ... well, I fear that some unreliable person would simply take Anduril's gesture as a personal freebie for himself and nobody after that would ever see the DVDs.

For me ... I really want to own a set. LOTR is one of a handful of films I watch when my personal days get dark. I want it to be on my shelf whenever I need the cheer of hobbits or the bravery of an Aragorn.
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Anduril on March 11, 2008, 04:36:49 pm

"For me ... I really want to own a set. LOTR is one of a handful of films I watch when my personal days get dark. I want it to be on my shelf whenever I need the cheer of hobbits or the bravery of an Aragorn."

    Claire: 

    That describes _exactly_ why I want to give you the set.  :laugh:

    Ray Bradbury wrote a glorious novel "Dandelion Wine" about a youngster growing up in a small, quite magical town ("Green Town, Illinois") in the last summer before the Great Depression hit and America was changed forever.

     This book gave me a summery childhood I'd not had, and re-reading the story is like opening a bottle of the dandelion wine bottled in that last glorious summer.


      There's something dreadfully wrong with the world.  In Tolkien's legendarium, the malice of Morgoth was suffused into the very fabric of Arda.


       In my own Taoistic way, I see that there can be no good without evil; no light without darkness; no life without death.  I love the way that Zoroastrians worship light, courage, intelligence, creativity, the life-giving things...

       Just so, I love your writings, and your courage, and your integrity.  I won't be happy until you're writing and publishing again. I'm determined!   :laugh:


     "Essentially, Prometheus Unbound, as re-wrought in Shelley's hands, is a fiercely revolutionary text championing free will, goodness, hope and idealism in the face of oppression. The Epilogue, spoken by Demogorgon, expresses Shelley's tenets as a poet and as a revolutionary:

    'To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite;

        To forgive wrongs darker than death or night;

        To defy Power, which seems omnipotent;

        To love, and bear; to hope till Hope creates

        From its own wreck the thing it contemplates;

        Neither to change, nor falter, nor repent;

        This, like thy glory, Titan, is to be

        Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free;

        This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory.' 


        Ever,

        Anduril

        (Who is shopping for a fine classic Katana to keep Anduril company)   :laugh:


 
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: amagi on March 12, 2008, 08:09:33 am
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LOTR is one of a handful of films I watch when my personal days get dark. I want it to be on my shelf whenever I need the cheer of hobbits or the bravery of an Aragorn.

I watch "The Fifth Elemant"  at those time.  Whenever I am sickly or sad.  If I had a film degree I might have the language to describe why. :rolleyes:

Would you trade jewlery for it?
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Claire on March 12, 2008, 09:38:21 am
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LOTR is one of a handful of films I watch when my personal days get dark. I want it to be on my shelf whenever I need the cheer of hobbits or the bravery of an Aragorn.

I watch "The Fifth Elemant"  at those time.  Whenever I am sickly or sad.  If I had a film degree I might have the language to describe why. :rolleyes:

Would you trade jewlery for it?

You bet I would, amagi. I think that would be a great trade. I'll PM you with my email address so we can talk.


And Anduril ... once again, I'm grateful for your intentions (and the poetic way you express them). But I'm afraid that even a personal visit from Viggo Mortensen and all four hobbits wouldn't get me writing again. Not for now. So once again I'm going to say thank you but decline your kind offer.

Claire
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 13, 2008, 12:52:59 pm
It's just too bad the bravery of Aragorn and the cheerfulness of the hobbits isn't as common as the ring and it's dangers in this world.......
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Claire on March 13, 2008, 02:08:40 pm
It's just too bad the bravery of Aragorn and the cheerfulness of the hobbits isn't as common as the ring and it's dangers in this world.......

Funny you should mention that, ZooT. I was just thinking about something related as I watched that extended ed and now re-read the books.

The heroes, especially Gandalf, all understand that their one and only real hope against Sauron is that Sauron will never, ever suspect or even imagine that they're sending one tiny guy in to destroy the ring. Sauron's fatal flaw is that he's looking solely for some champion to rise up against him, wielding the ring. (The extended ed makes that even more clear by restoring the scene where Aragorn takes the palantir and reveals himself in his kingly power to The Eye.)

I wonder if we could make use of that same power-mad ignorance of our own leaders. They expect us to oppose them -- and lose, of course. They don't expect us to declare their power irrelevant.

Now, if we could only find better ways to do that ...
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: kel on March 13, 2008, 05:51:42 pm
I think Jac is on a tropical island somewhere. Probably inciting a rebellion... :ph34r:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: iloilo on March 13, 2008, 05:54:20 pm
I think Jac is on a tropical island somewhere. Probably inciting a rebellion... :ph34r:

I think you are correct!  He will be back soon.  Maybe.   :laugh:
ff
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: kel on March 13, 2008, 06:24:23 pm
Since I now have an Evil Black Shotgun, the videos will be even more useful.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: iloilo on March 13, 2008, 06:32:26 pm
Since I now have an Evil Black Shotgun, the videos will be even more useful.
Cool.
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 14, 2008, 12:21:36 am
One must consider the role of Gandalf as one of the astari........he was a counselor, and the bearer of a message......he provided inspiration, wisdom, and truth, but not leadership......and most importantly......he was not of middle earth but instead from the outside....

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I wonder if we could make use of that same power-mad ignorance of our own leaders.

Now you're thinking...............and yeah.....I think about it too.....all the time.....

And not the power mad ignorance......but rather the power fed arrogance......and there is a difference........

Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Anduril on March 14, 2008, 07:30:27 am
Maybe Anduril could offer the set up to join our lending/circulating library?  Start another list like the one we have for another set of videos?
Would this work?

ff

     Hi!

     It might.  But with the risk of loss (sometimes people just don't get around to sending them back, and you can't fine them) I'd prefer to buy second-hand on Amazon and sell back when I've copied it or whatever.

    Besides, I'm determined to get Claire writing again.   :laugh:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6642144738212584039&q=what+you+waiting+for&total=47080&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

    Regards,

    Anduril
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Pagan on March 14, 2008, 11:55:32 am
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Besides, I'm determined to get Claire writing again.

Whether she wants to or not??
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: cowardly lion on March 14, 2008, 03:25:30 pm
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Whether she wants to or not??

[tongue in cheek]

Well, sure.  Where does she think she gets to make that decision?

[/tongue in cheek]

cl
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Anduril on March 14, 2008, 04:30:00 pm
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Besides, I'm determined to get Claire writing again.

Whether she wants to or not??

     Well, coercion is obviously out of the question.  It's the ultimate evil, the evil of all evils in Tolkien's world. The overthrowing of another's free will.  And pointless.

     But maybe 'encourage'?  'Enthuse'?  'Inspire'?   That sort of thing?

     What if Ray Bradbury had never written "Dandelion Wine"?  After he wrote "Dark Carnival" and it was published, the story goes that he tried to recall the book because it was too frightening...

      Anduril



Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Pagan on March 14, 2008, 05:06:18 pm
Well, I don't want to start a donnybrook here, but I will answer two points you've made.

1)
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Well, coercion is obviously out of the question.  It's the ultimate evil, the evil of all evils in Tolkien's world. The overthrowing of another's free will.  And pointless.

Not just Tolkien's world -- mine too.
And evil is so much worse than being merely... pointless, that overthrowing another's free will is very much to the point.

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What if Ray Bradbury had never written "Dandelion Wine"?


What if he hadn't? While we know in hindsight to regret it if he hadn't, we wouldn't have missed it if we'd never read it, and in any case it was his decision to make.

"Encourage and enthuse' are good; 'inspire' is a little harder -- lots of luck to you!  :-)
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 14, 2008, 11:53:49 pm
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"Encourage and enthuse' are good; 'inspire' is a little harder -- lots of luck to you!  :-)

Yeah......but then again there Pagan, who's to say she's not writting kids story books or songs right now or maybe poetry......

From what I remember the writting thing refered to was in context "freedom writting"......because there was a sense of moving beyond the freedom movement......who knows.......maybe into some better reality where one can smile and mean it......and say what you want to say rather than what you think other folks want you to say........

Now don't get me wrong.......but this freedom thing is and has constraints of it's own, whether we wish to admit it or not......but the idea is supposed to be about removing or growing past constraints if you will......is it not?......well maybe for you and me.....but how bout for some VIP who's every word is doted and gloated over?........I wonder if a passion can become a prison?


Now I have no reason to believe that there's any writting going on......but by the same token, someone saying they don't like fords isn't saying that they don't drive a car......it's only saying that they don't like fords......    :thrbiggrin:

Ya' know........sometimes I sit and read this forum.....and all the latest mumbo jumbo about how this pig poked granny in the keister with his glock looking for a submachine factory in the making......and then read folks arguing about whether or not it was right that she got arrested because there was no machinegun factory in there.....but 14 pygmy monks popped out chanting your cash ain't nothing but trash in swahili, and therefore she was harboring terrorists hellbent on destroying our american economic system.....


And I think......
To hell with freedom.......give me a fucking life......  :laugh:

Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Pagan on March 15, 2008, 05:12:07 am
Zoot
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Yeah....  <snip>  ....give me a fucking life......


You said it all, Zoot. Especially: “I wonder if a passion can become a prison?”  Even a passion for freedom, if it’s compelled by how others define freedom.

Someday I hope we meet up.
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Anduril on March 15, 2008, 06:16:59 am
Well, I don't want to start a donnybrook here, but I will answer two points you've made.

1)
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Well, coercion is obviously out of the question.  It's the ultimate evil, the evil of all evils in Tolkien's world. The overthrowing of another's free will.  And pointless.

Not just Tolkien's world -- mine too.
And evil is so much worse than being merely... pointless, that overthrowing another's free will is very much to the point.

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What if Ray Bradbury had never written "Dandelion Wine"?


What if he hadn't? While we know in hindsight to regret it if he hadn't, we wouldn't have missed it if we'd never read it, and in any case it was his decision to make.

"Encourage and enthuse' are good; 'inspire' is a little harder -- lots of luck to you!  :-)

    The 'pointless' bit was a reference to the pointlessness of coercing someone into freedom writing. Such writing tends to show dullness, lack of playfulness, no sparkle, no effect on people. That's all I meant - not that evil per se is pointless.

     Gerard Manley Hopkins was a Catholic monk who wrote wonderful poetry.  After his death, the Church authorities ordered all his manscripts burned.  If you love his poetry, as I do, you are constantly aware that you can only read around half of his output.  The same is true for several other good writers.

      Thanks for the encouragement.  I promise not to pester Claire or anything like that.  But I do want to remind her that she's special.  One of a kind.

       Anduril

       Who now has two beautiful "Hattori Hanzo" Katanas to add to his collection.

       They are finished in black and gold laquer.  I am thinking of calling them "Mournblade" (for the Bride's sword) and "Stormbringer" (for Bill's).

Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 15, 2008, 10:55:46 pm
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Someday I hope we meet up.

A few years ago, I woulda' thought "that ain't happenin'"........but now that I'm seeing a degree of futility in walking that road all alone....and thinking I'm ever going to make any great progress....and having doubts as to the existance of anything called "individual" freedom.....I'm not so sure that we won't meet at some point in the future...... :mellow:


Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Jac on March 20, 2008, 11:14:26 am
Yes, he's back... :'(

Give me an addy, Kel, and I'll send them forthwith. :mellow:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: kel on March 20, 2008, 01:00:06 pm
Done.

I probably would not have come back.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Jac on April 01, 2008, 05:41:25 pm
And they're off... finally. You should be getting 'em soon, Kel.

Sorry again for the delay.
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: kel on April 01, 2008, 06:56:09 pm
Cool! Now I just have to go buy some more popcorn.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: da gooch on April 02, 2008, 12:23:20 pm
Thanks Jac
and welcome back from your "someplace warm".

Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: kel on April 05, 2008, 09:39:43 am
Videos arrived yesterday, package was open and stamped "Arrived Unsealed".  Had 2 DVDs in their cases in a bag, so everything looks to be cool there.  I hope there wasn't supposed to be anything else in the package. :ph34r:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Jac on April 15, 2008, 04:49:49 pm
Well, I didn't put anything else in there... I'm inclined to think it was a poor choice of packaging on my part that led to the unsealing. But my paranoid bone is still tingling a bit. :ph34r:
Title: Re: Two firearms training DVDs from Paladin Press
Post by: Thunder on May 18, 2008, 06:04:01 pm

A suggestion: Immediately after you receive the DVDs, PM or email the next person on the list for a snailing address. If they don't respond within a week, PM or email the next person.

In any case, at the end of two weeks -- max -- send them on to the next listed recipient that you can reach. Don't hold up the works waiting for people who aren't responding.

Thanks,
Claire


Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Glacier-Blue on July 02, 2008, 08:38:19 am
Nice looking jewelry; but it's all for girls. Don't you have anything for guys...like a bearclaw necklace; or fingerbone earrings?

Glacier-Blue
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on July 02, 2008, 01:07:08 pm
Nice looking jewelry; but it's all for girls. Don't you have anything for guys...like a bearclaw necklace; or fingerbone earrings?

Glacier-Blue

Greetings, Glacier-Blue -- and thank you for looking & asking.

That question has come up before & no, I really don't have much designed especially for guys. I have several pieces like this one (http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=9558812) and this one (http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=10034582) that could be for either sex.

But ... er, fingerbones? Nope, sorry.

I used to have a bear-claw necklace of my own. Wish I knew what had become of it.

Guess I should keep an eye out for some more masculine materials.
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Mr. Dare on July 02, 2008, 01:36:42 pm
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Guess I should keep an eye out for some more masculine materials.
   I'm picturing a necklace of nuts and bolts, with a hydraulic valve lifter as a centerpiece... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on July 02, 2008, 02:16:25 pm
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Guess I should keep an eye out for some more masculine materials.
   I'm picturing a necklace of nuts and bolts, with a hydrolic valve lifter as a centerpiece... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well, darn. I left out the hydraulic lifter valve.  :rolleyes: But as to nuts and bolts ... (http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=9451810)
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: vonuvan on July 02, 2008, 02:47:51 pm
Maybe a strand of coal mine haultruck sized lug nuts?
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Klapton Isgod on July 02, 2008, 03:06:46 pm
I rather like the more traditional, biblical "millstone around the neck."
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: vonuvan on July 02, 2008, 03:11:18 pm
If you want to make a major statement with your jewelry, how about the matching set of stone tablet earrings?:-)
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Klapton Isgod on July 02, 2008, 03:13:17 pm
If you want to make a major statement with your jewelry, how about the matching set of stone tablet earrings?:-)
I'd have to take the left one off to be allowed in a courtroom.  Very inconvenient.
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: vonuvan on July 02, 2008, 03:15:39 pm
If you want to make a major statement with your jewelry, how about the matching set of stone tablet earrings?:-)
I'd have to take the left one off to be allowed in a courtroom.  Very inconvenient.
Nah, you just have to find a courtroom with the old style double doors, and request a change of venue:-)
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: da gooch on July 02, 2008, 11:15:10 pm


For masculine items Claire  I would dare to suggest claws [mentioned earlier], bone [bird wing bones and larger bones sliced into "buttons" etc], hard woods [lignum vitae, etc] and shell [Ishi style ?] . Oh and turquoise.  The bluer the better.  [looks like water on a clear day....]

When I lived back up in the mountains of Idaho I used to wear a necklace of ishi beads with an eagle claw ... er Imitation eagle claw ... ahem and a bear claw.


The claws came to me courtesy of my Mother N. Ature and her supply stores.

[Found an eagle [golden] while I was canoing that had been shot and had fallen into the Kootenai river.]
I gave him the tobacco parting/leaving/passing on ceremony and promised to make Pretty Things with his feathers, claws and to respect his kin.
The bear made the mistake of walking into a neighbors tent camp while his 3 year old daughter was visiting and the neighbor decided then and there that that constituted an aggressive act on the part of the bear. The bear had become a local nuisance and was harassing all of the homesteads along the Jocko River. Nobody cried when he left the planet. 
I helped skin him and store the meat so I got part of the heart, liver and a claw.
And yes they [bears] really do have a bone to assist in their social functions. [Highly prized in Asia I'm told ....]



Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on July 08, 2008, 02:32:05 am
Gooch,
Er uh......yer not implying anything about a bear boner necklace are you?  :laugh:

Claire,

Look at colors and shapes....
You're used to creating people (for books)......create the person and the person will tell you the colors and shapes they'd want to wear around their neck......

And talk to "the old fart" too.......as he knows a bit about that stuff......
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Claire on July 08, 2008, 11:05:36 am
gooch and ZooT,

Helpful suggestions duly noted.

gooch, if you can find me a supplier of bear penis bones, I'd be glad to see how they do up as jewelry.  :laugh: (You'll pardon me if I don't go out and amass a collection for myself.)

ZooT, the General (who may be old, but never a fart) has already gifted me with some of his raw materials.

I haven't actually been making much jewelry the last couple of months, since very little has sold. But I'm about to get back to it. Dunno if I'm yet ready for the task of creating more masculine jewelry. But you guys have gotten my creative juices flowing again.

C
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: Elias Alias on July 08, 2008, 12:34:26 pm
gooch and ZooT,

Helpful suggestions duly noted.

gooch, if you can find me a supplier of bear penis bones, I'd be glad to see how they do up as jewelry.  :laugh: (You'll pardon me if I don't go out and amass a collection for myself.)

ZooT, the General (who may be old, but never a fart) has already gifted me with some of his raw materials.

I haven't actually been making much jewelry the last couple of months, since very little has sold. But I'm about to get back to it. Dunno if I'm yet ready for the task of creating more masculine jewelry. But you guys have gotten my creative juices flowing again.

C

My Dear Ms Wolfe,
Thank you for defending my honor (what's left of it after Zoot's attempt to butcher it up, lol).  I'm sure Zoot means well.... :)

There are tons of things I need to discuss with you, so I apologize for all the silence from my end in recent times. I have quite a bit  of good news to share with you. Have been learning, and developing the M.H.Project, and doing all the routine things along the way, so I hope to soon-enough address a complete update to you and fill you in on all the details. Everything takes too long for us old, er, "Generals". But soon now we'll be ready to rock and roll with you. We have cast now an 18-Karat green gold pendant using one of our "hardwood" gems with brown diamonds, and placed it on a swivel bale, and it's beautiful. No pics yet. We're still cleaning up the place in the aftermath of the construction, but the studio is almost presentable and in coming weeks will be. I'll email you with a full report in a week or two. Until then, please know that what Basil has learned about the nature of, and characteristic properties of, the "hardwood" specimen is proving to make the delay in production of our line a wise delay at that. All is well, and I hope you and our friend are well also.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on July 08, 2008, 12:43:51 pm
Claire,

For me "the old fart" is not an insult in any manner....and comes from an old captain Beefheart song where "the old fart" couldn't be tricked because
"the old fart is smart"....

and er uh.......relative to a lot of others.......I'm an old fart too  :laugh:
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 08, 2008, 03:47:03 pm
I never saw those before! Beautiful. I think earthy stones and such are far more beautiful than diamonds or pearls - even though those things also come from nature.

I don't wear jewelry, but my sister does. I'll send her the web address and see if there's anything she likes.

How about hat bands? The guys might get into that a bit more. My late husband had several that were gorgeous. :)
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: da gooch on July 08, 2008, 08:23:14 pm
gooch and ZooT,

Helpful suggestions duly noted.

gooch, if you can find me a supplier of bear penis bones, I'd be glad to see how they do up as jewelry.  :laugh: (You'll pardon me if I don't go out and amass a collection for myself.)

{ after a sweeping courtly bow chevalier style } .... A pleasure to be of assistance My Lady.

I'm not sure that any of the bears in question would be in any hurry to divest themselves of that particular bone, or any of their personal bones at all if they are all like the several I have had encounters with in my past. Churlish brutes the lot of them has been my experience. Admirable and amazing but not exactly "friendly".

Finding them [bear penis bones] might prove difficult to say the least. I wouldn't recommend wasting any time at all on that account.

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ZooT, the General (who may be old, but never a fart) has already gifted me with some of his raw materials.

I haven't actually been making much jewelry the last couple of months, since very little has sold. But I'm about to get back to it. Dunno if I'm yet ready for the task of creating more masculine jewelry. But you guys have gotten my creative juices flowing again.

C

As a member in good standing {I think ...} I can say that most of us old pharts are more concerned with remembering where it was we last saw our reading glasses than with some minor verbal pejorative.
In case you were wondering that is ....

Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on July 11, 2008, 01:38:46 am
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I can say that most of us old pharts are more concerned with remembering where it was we last saw our reading glasses than with some minor verbal pejorative.

Yeah.....I hate walking around looking for the wrench I've got in my hand too... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Beaded jewelry (for you or someone you love)
Post by: vonuvan on July 11, 2008, 07:50:24 pm
Claire,

For me "the old fart" is not an insult in any manner....and comes from an old captain Beefheart song where "the old fart" couldn't be tricked because
"the old fart is smart"....

and er uh.......relative to a lot of others.......I'm an old fart too  :laugh:

But who are the brain police?:-)
Title: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on November 25, 2008, 09:34:34 am
I'm thinking about getting a few author's copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook and offering autographed copies for sale.

I'm posting now to see if enough people would be interested.

Here's the deal, though. Amazon.com currently has the book for $13.60 -- which is a phenomenal price. I can't match that. If you want the book and want a real price deal on it, Amazon.com is the way to go.

Paladin explains: The current MSRP (and Paladin catalog price) for the book is $30. The Amazon price is a discount based on the old MSRP, which was only $20. (Youch -- quite a leap there!) The only reason the cost is so low on Amazon is that they haven't yet processed Paladin's increase.

Anyhow, if I buy some author's copies, I would sell them with personalized autographs, but the price would have to be somewhere in the low $20s, plus shipping.

Any interest?

Claire

P.S. I also have two copies of the original Loompanics edition of the book. These don't have the more recent updates that the Paladin version has. But what the heck, maybe they've got some collector value. I would also consider selling those; if anybody wants them, make me an offer.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: padre29 on November 25, 2008, 09:44:25 am


I certainly would be interested in a updated and autographed copy Claire, somewhere along the way I donated/spread the information and no longer have a copy.

Now I just need a Ragnar Benson autograph... :laugh:
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: ShortyDawkins on November 25, 2008, 09:57:59 am
   I'd like one, also, Claire. It will make for good reading WTSHTF. As I curl up in a cave somewhere, reading by candlelight, I can think back to bygone days of freedom, and hope there is more to come.

   Shorty Dawkins
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Tahn L. on November 25, 2008, 10:06:00 am
Claire,
.
I would love to have at least 4. Great gifts.  Thanks for offering.

Tahn
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on November 25, 2008, 10:08:32 am
Wow. This is quite a response, already. Guess I'd better go buy some author's copies. :) Thank you padre, Shorty, and Tahn.

And Tahn, you generous heart, of course a 4-copy order would get you a discount, not to mention a savings on shipping. And each recipient of your gift will get a personalized autograph, just for them.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 25, 2008, 12:23:32 pm
I definitely want one, Claire! No money right now - need to sell some things myself, so how soon do you need the cash?
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on November 25, 2008, 01:32:39 pm
I definitely want one, Claire! No money right now - need to sell some things myself, so how soon do you need the cash?

For you, MamaLiberty -- whenever. I'll be glad to send your book and have you pay later.

In any case, I haven't even ordered the author's copies from Paladin yet. I'll do that today. I'd expect to have the books next week and will notify everybody when they come in.

BTW, if somebody needed a copy very quickly, I do have four on hand now.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 25, 2008, 01:43:54 pm
For you, MamaLiberty -- whenever. I'll be glad to send your book and have you pay later.

Bless your heart! It's been a while since my copy grew legs... but there's no rush. Whenever it comes it will go on top of the "to read" pile. :) I should have some cash by next week, so it looks like a good time frame. Need to put some stuff up at the tradin' post here. :)
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: padre29 on November 25, 2008, 01:58:17 pm
I definitely want one, Claire! No money right now - need to sell some things myself, so how soon do you need the cash?

A No Money Down Sub Prime Book Deal...can't beat that!


 :laugh:

BTW Claire, do you have any of the "freedom girl" prints left? Those were smashing.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Tahn L. on November 25, 2008, 02:14:55 pm
MamaLiberty,

 I would be honored if I might be allowed to treat you to a copy of Claire's book.  It would be a small thing compared to what you do.

Tahn
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on November 25, 2008, 02:17:31 pm
A No Money Down Sub Prime Book Deal...can't beat that!

And hey, MamaLiberty, if you don't pay me, maybe I'll be eligible for one of those billion dollar bailouts. (But drat ... I'm sure she will pay me. There goes my whole damn future on Wall Street ....)

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BTW Claire, do you have any of the "freedom girl" prints left? Those were smashing.

Why thank you, padre. <blush>

Geez, I'm not sure. I think I might have a few copies that have minor flaws on them. But they were printed by a friend & it's possible I might still be able to get a few more copies if enough people wanted them. I'd have to check on that.

For those who don't know what you're referring to, here's a (not very good) scan of the print. The full size version was, I believe 12" x 18" or something in that vicinity.

Claire

P.S. Tahn, there you go, being an incredible sweetie again. I do believe you're likely to use up your entire lifetime quota of niceness, right here on TMM.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 25, 2008, 02:21:40 pm
MamaLiberty,

 I would be honored if I might be allowed to treat you to a copy of Claire's book.  It would be a small thing compared to what you do.
Tahn

My goodness, how sweet. You'll spoil me rotten this way. :) How could I say no?
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: hangman on November 25, 2008, 04:12:58 pm
Claire, I've got a picture just like that on the wall above my puter at home- autographed by the artist.

I'd be interested in an autographed copy of the book, also.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on November 25, 2008, 04:28:37 pm
Quote from: hangman link=topic=19919.msg252922#msg252922 date=1227651178?
Claire, I've got a picture just like that on the wall above my puter at home- autographed by the artist.

Well, wonder where you got that, hangman?  :laugh: Glad you're enjoying it.

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I'd be interested in an autographed copy of the book, also.

Will gladly reserve one for you.

BTW, when I called Paladin to reserve the author's copies, they said they had only one left that wasn't already committed. However, they have an in-house print shop and said it should be no problem doing a small print run by next week. So we're looking at slightly longer than I thought, but I made sure they knew the books had to come to me then go from me to you in time for Christmas giving. They said no problem on that.

Cheers,
Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: KEISER on November 27, 2008, 06:53:00 pm
I would like to get a couple of these if possible.  Please pm me on payment instructions when they are available.
Title: Re: DEFINITE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 04, 2008, 09:54:04 am
Okay, while I don't have the books in hand yet, they should be on their way from Paladin very shortly. So here's the actual offer. I'll PM everyone who has expressed interest with payment info & to ask how you want the autographs to be personalized. And thanks again to you all.

ONE BOOK
$22.50
$  5.00 for envelope, media-mail postage, delivery confirmation

TWO OR THREE BOOKS TO THE SAME ADDRESS
$20.00 per book
$  6.00 TOTAL for envelope, media-mail postage, delivery confirmation

FOUR OR MORE BOOKS TO THE SAME ADDRESS:
$17.50 per book
$10.45 TOTAL for priority mail postage, delivery confirmation

The estimates I got from the P.O. showed priority mail to be prohibitively expensive (IMHO) for small orders. But for box-sized orders, it was the best way to go. If you want priority shipping on a 1-3-book order, just let me know.

I have (or will soon have) 20 copies of TFOH and plan to keep one for myself. So speak quickly!

And a final a reminder for those on budgets: At the moment, you can still get the non-autographed book cheaper on Amazon (though that's supposed to change soon). But the copies from me will have personalized autographs and are still way under Paladin's catalog price of $30.

Thank you all!

Claire

P.S. KEISER, I apologize for missing your post and not acknowledging it earlier!
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: KEISER on December 04, 2008, 10:20:27 am
Sounds good,

Sign me up for three.  Just let me know where to send payment.  Can paypal if you prefer.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 04, 2008, 01:17:37 pm
Sounds good,

Sign me up for three.  Just let me know where to send payment.  Can paypal if you prefer.

Kewl.  :mellow: Thanks, KEISER. That's great.

I'll send you a PM with my PayPal information. Just let me know to whom you want each copy autographed and I'll set aside three for you.

Claire

P.S. to all: The response has been tremendous and several people have reserved more than one copy. So as of now, there are just FOUR copies unclaimed.

Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Wyomiles on December 04, 2008, 01:25:51 pm
I'll take one Claire. Will add $ to the other if thats OK. And just write something about how great you think I am. ^_^ ^_^
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 04, 2008, 02:09:20 pm
And just write something about how great you think I am. ^_^ ^_^

That will be very easy to do, Wyomiles. :-)

And look for a PM from me in a moment.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: da gooch on December 04, 2008, 02:41:58 pm
Ahem ... any left at this point ?

I would surely love to have a copy with your autograph, Please ?
Dare I ask about the price on the Gadsden Girl prints ?
I must admit to my poverty and say that the unautographed copies [I'll be getting from amazon] will be sent to loved ones as Winter Solstice presents.

Thank You [way too many things to enumerate but this opportunity is one of them]

gooch
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: cowardly lion on December 05, 2008, 12:44:27 pm
Dogonnit, I always come to these threads late.

Claire, I have TFOH and your autograph already (although they're in separate spots on my bookshelf), so I'm not going to take advantage of your very lovely offer.

However . . . .   Do you have prints of your avatar?  Especially the earlier version, the angry young lady?  Probably not, but I really liked that version - looked like someone about to wreak some havoc on some well-deserving jabbut.   :laugh:

Love *all* your work, Claire.  Oh, btw, I just subscribed to BHM and told them you were the reason . . . .    :wub:

cl
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 05, 2008, 01:23:28 pm
gooch,

I've already set aside a book for you, in return for fruitcakes rendered.  :rolleyes:

cl,

Thank you very much -- especially for the message to Backwoods Home. Ever since I nearly got fired for coming out against George W. Bush at the opening of the Iraq war, I've always had the feeling the Duffys had their doubts about me. So every good opinion helps.

Regarding prints ... I'd forgotten that my remaining Gadsden Girl posters got ruined in last year's terrible storm (when the yurt came down & things inside it got waterlogged), and I don't see enough demand to print more. But cl and gooch, I'll be glad to email you .jpgs of the drawings in question if you want to use them to make your own prints.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: da gooch on December 05, 2008, 02:29:27 pm

Works for me.

Although I will just have to forge your name and
all of the endearing comments on the bottom myself ... ahem  :ph34r:  :rolleyes:  :laugh:
Klare Volff  iss thee corect spellink Rite ?

On the Book set aside .... I am honored.

[Is this because the fruit cake was wrapped in 10,000 dollar bills ?
It was the only wrapping paper I had at the time .... ahem ]

Seriously .... I am Honored.
BUT ! ...

Can I still contribute to the Feed the Puppies at Cabin, Sweet Cabin Foundation ?

Thank You

g
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: cowardly lion on December 05, 2008, 02:32:45 pm
Do you still have the "Angry Young Woman"?  Sure, I'd take a copy, even if only in .jpg

Thanks much!

cl
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: hangman on December 05, 2008, 05:07:53 pm
Claire, sweetie pie, I'd like to see your other drawings as well.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 05, 2008, 06:56:03 pm
Claire, sweetie pie, I'd like to see your other drawings as well.

 :laugh: Well, when you put it that way ...

Tell you what, guys. Since you're so sweet yourselves, I'll put a selection of .jpgs of my drawings online on a site where you can download any that you want for private use. You can print them, use them as wallpaper, etc. Just don't reproduce them for any commercial purpose (not that anybody would want to  :rolleyes:).

It may take me a week or two to do it, but before Christmas I'll have a small gallery online. At least a few will be files large enough to print and display.

It's very nice that you're interested.

Claire

Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 05, 2008, 06:58:31 pm
BTW ... Books arrived from Paladin Press today, and a few (those paid by PayPal) have already gone out to buyers. Will send the rest out as soon as I possibly can. Thanks again everybody.

Still two left unreserved.

Cheers,
Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: da gooch on December 05, 2008, 08:12:27 pm
Claire, sweetie pie, I'd like to see your other drawings as well.

 :laugh: Well, when you put it that way ...

Tell you what, guys. Since you're so sweet yourselves, I'll put a selection of .jpgs of my drawings online on a site where you can download any that you want for private use. You can print them, use them as wallpaper, etc. Just don't reproduce them for any commercial purpose (not that anybody would want to  :rolleyes:).

It may take me a week or two to do it, but before Christmas I'll have a small gallery online. At least a few will be files large enough to print and display.

It's very nice that you're interested.

Claire



Wow !

That's cool.
Now I Really have to figure out my printer glitch ....

Uhm ... One little, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy question if I May ?

Is it gonna be like a major, giant, humongous, really really huge faux pas to accidentally drop a couple of bucks into the Puppies Food Fund for the puppies who actually own the Cabin, Sweet Cabin [ that's what they think anyway ...] or the Cabin, Sweet Cabin Taxman Abatement [Appeasement ?] Project ?

I mean I wouldn't want to pas any faux's or anything.   :ph34r:

I don't know how such a terrible thing could happen and besides It's just a question .... ?

Thanks Claire,

g
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Joel on December 05, 2008, 08:39:13 pm
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Do you have prints of your avatar?  Especially the earlier version, the angry young lady?  Probably not, but I really liked that version - looked like someone about to wreak some havoc on some well-deserving jabbut.   laugh

Hey!  That's my daughter you're ... complimenting.  She's not all that angry.  She's just drawn that way.

Well, okay.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 06, 2008, 05:07:29 am
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Do you have prints of your avatar?  Especially the earlier version, the angry young lady?  Probably not, but I really liked that version - looked like someone about to wreak some havoc on some well-deserving jabbut.   laugh

Hey!  That's my daughter you're ... complimenting.  She's not all that angry.  She's just drawn that way.


 :laugh:

Actually, I've got a couple of angry young ladies in my portfolio. I'll definitely post the other one. But Joel, I was going to ask your permission before posting anything artwork identifiable as your daughter. Do you mind?

I find that I've given away or in a few cases sold most of my originals. The few I kept mostly got ruined when last year's storm caved in the yurt. So the scans in my files are all that's left & the quality and size of those varies. Will do what I can.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Gypsy on December 06, 2008, 06:32:53 am
Claire
If there's any copies left, put me down for one. Great Xmas gift to myself !!!!!
Gypsy
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 06, 2008, 08:01:11 am
Claire
If there's any copies left, put me down for one. Great Xmas gift to myself !!!!!
Gypsy

You've got it, Gypsy. And thanks. I'll PM you.

One left.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Joel on December 06, 2008, 10:17:35 am
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But Joel, I was going to ask your permission before posting anything artwork identifiable as your daughter. Do you mind?

Not in the slightest.  Go for it; you'll never make an enemy by saying I've got a beautiful baby.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Phssthpok on December 06, 2008, 04:38:58 pm

You've got it, Gypsy. And thanks. I'll PM you.

One left.

Claire

DIBS!
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: MamaLiberty on December 06, 2008, 05:01:34 pm
Gosh, Claire... sounds like a whole new gallery of fresh Wolfe paintings, drawings, etchings... would be a fair source of income. It's a shame about the older things, but why not create some new ones?

And/or... find someone who would run off prints of the files you've got. I'm sure they could be digitally "cleaned" if they are not top notch now.

Just a thought. :) I sure treasure the prints you sent me.  :love4:
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 06, 2008, 05:57:22 pm
DIBS!

It's yours, Phssthpok. I'll PM you.

And that is that. All gone.

MamaLiberty, thank you for the kind words -- and the interesting thoughts. I actually stopped drawing not long after I began. Haven't done anything for ... oh, a year, I think. But I do have one feeler for a commission, which is nice -- a portrait of a cat. And maybe in the new year I'll get my courage up and try more drawing. (It took The Artist's Way to awaken my old drawing skills -- that wonderful book. Unfortunately, I moved too quickly & sent those skills back into hibernation again. Mea culpa.)

But whether I do any new drawings, I did start work today on an online gallery of the pieces I did a couple of years ago.

I'm really grateful for how supportive you guys all are. My writer self has gotten tough over the years and can take anything. But my artist self is like some shy little creature that barely wants to stick its head out of its burrow.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: MamaLiberty on December 07, 2008, 06:32:39 am
There is something truly magical about the physical creation of of thoughts and dreams like that. I can't draw anything, and have little understanding of the relationship between colors and so forth, but I can appreciate beauty when I see it.

Good luck and blessings, whatever you decide to do. :)
Title: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Claire on December 07, 2008, 02:39:13 pm
http://www.serenityhillgems.com/gallery-drawings.html

In another thread, several people asked about the possibility of having prints of some of my drawings or copies of the Gadsden Girl poster from two years ago.

I didn't think there was enough demand (and in any case, I don't have many high-res scans to work from). But as a small thank you, I've put most of my drawings online with thumbnails + links to the largest available files. The files aren't high-res, but some are big enough to use for wallpaper or maybe to print for personal use.

Among them is the original .pdf of the Gadsden Girl poster, created by lewlew.

No commercial uses, please. But any personal use you want to make of them, go for it.

Happy viewing.

Claire
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Joel on December 07, 2008, 02:55:47 pm
I'd seen some of these before and forgotten them.  Great memories!

You know, you should take up art or something.  (Ducks and runs!  Don't hit!  Don't hit!)
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Claire on December 07, 2008, 03:03:23 pm
You know, you should take up art or something.  (Ducks and runs!  Don't hit!  Don't hit!)

LOL. Duck? Run?  But Joel, in keeping with our longstanding TCF/TMM tradition that you always say exactly what I was thinking (but you say it better) ... that's exactly the response I had while looking at these drawings this morning.

Yeah ... maybe I should take up art. I suspect it would get me in less trouble, at least.  :rolleyes:

Claire
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: cowardly lion on December 07, 2008, 07:31:18 pm
Quote
I suspect it would get me in less trouble, at least. 

HA!

Ooops - did I say that out loud, or just think that?

Thanks, Claire.

cl
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: da gooch on December 07, 2008, 08:15:45 pm

Wow !

Thank you.

Nicely done all of them.

What is the Impressionistic Landscape at the top of the page ? The Front Yard ? [Back Yard ?]
Whatever I like it too.

I think my favorite is the Gadsden Girl ....
Hey I'm a sailor I like ... er ...uhm ...  tatoos.   :rolleyes:

Very nice.  All of them Claire you should be proud.

All the Best,

g

OK Joel ...
I won't argue about which one is prettier your Rachel or my Willow born in '74 [sorry no photo available].

Let's call it a draw.   :rimshot:
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: padre29 on December 07, 2008, 08:25:37 pm


Nice, after Gadsen Girl, Milo was my second fav, but I hadn't seen Sunflowers/In a Field before, that one is has a great vividness.

Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: dogsledder54 on December 07, 2008, 08:29:55 pm
Very nice.  But the pic you have for your avatar, Rachael, I thought was YOU, Claire. Guess not.
My only other clue to what you look like was a small pic of a woman with a very large HAT obscuring the view of her face.  :laugh:
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Claire on December 07, 2008, 08:35:37 pm
What is the Impressionistic Landscape at the top of the page ? The Front Yard ? [Back Yard ?]
Whatever I like it too.

I knew somebody'd ask about that. It's not any part of my yard, more's the pity. And it's also not original art. It's a photo of Montana grasslands that I found on the 'Net and GIMP'd beyond recognition.

Every photo at the top of every page on the Serenity Hill site shows an entirely different "Serenity Hill" -- desert, mountains, forest -- because the place is actually a state of mind.

Padre, thanks. I like the sunflowers, too. I have to admit it was fun seeing all these pieces together for the first time. Really does make me want to do more.

And yes, PJ ... the "hat" pic is really me. Or at least, my lips and chin. But it was the photographer's hat.  :laugh:

Claire
 
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: dogsledder54 on December 07, 2008, 08:39:10 pm
 ^_^ :wub: :laugh:
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Ire on December 08, 2008, 07:50:30 am
I completely digg the 'Grim Girl' pic  :mellow:

I have to admit, however, that I am finding your 'Thoughts' Section more interesting.
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Claire on December 08, 2008, 09:14:23 am
I completely digg the 'Grim Girl' pic  :mellow:

I have to admit, however, that I am finding your 'Thoughts' Section more interesting.

Thank you, Ire.

I guess we have to make that "Thought," singular, however. Days after I posted that one-and-only item, and only weeks after spatter built that pretty site for me, life took one of its interesting (in the Chinese sense) turns & I never got back to the work. Now I'm hoping to revise & refocus the whole site & pay more attention to it.

Claire
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: da gooch on December 08, 2008, 02:15:30 pm
I completely digg the 'Grim Girl' pic  :mellow:

I have to admit, however, that I am finding your 'Thoughts' Section more interesting.

Thank you, Ire.

I guess we have to make that "Thought," singular, however. Days after I posted that one-and-only item, and only weeks after spatter built that pretty site for me, life took one of its interesting (in the Chinese sense) turns & I never got back to the work. Now I'm hoping to revise & refocus the whole site & pay more attention to it.

Claire
emphasis mine

And here I thought that PSM, debeez and I were the only ones having "interesting" lives at present .... Mine is more like PSM's than debeez's I'm having frn withdrawals is all nothing as serious as debeez is having thank the FSM or is it the Great Calzone ? I keep losing track ....

I hope we all get back to less "interesting" times soonest.

All the Best,

g
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: hangman on December 08, 2008, 02:19:28 pm
Since I have absolutely zero artistic skills, I appreciate those who do. I do wish I had the touch, but I do not have the patience. Do continue with your work, Claire, and share any new pieces with us.Tabitha looks a lot like my Sergeant.

You seem to have talent so don't let it go to waste.
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: dogsledder54 on December 09, 2008, 11:55:08 am

I guess we have to make that "Thought," singular, however.



"Thought" could be a category  and not be necessarily "singular". 
:laugh:
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: da gooch on December 09, 2008, 12:03:21 pm

I guess we have to make that "Thought," singular, however.



"Thought" could be a category  and not be necessarily "singular". 
:laugh:

Which is exactly how I took "Thoughts" .... as a category heading.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: azcoyote on December 13, 2008, 12:49:12 am
Claire,

Getting an autographed copy of FOH is almost as good as finding a first edition Heinlein. Most of those I've been able to afford are funky old library editions. If you still have any, I'd appreciate one.

Thanks,
Coyote
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 15, 2008, 03:35:55 pm
:) Thank you, Coyote. Glad to please.

It looks as if there's going to be one copy left for you. So just PM me with your desired payment method and I'll give you the appropriate contact info.

(Sorry to take this long to respond; computer problems.)

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: hangman on December 15, 2008, 07:19:06 pm
Got mine today. Karen asked if that was the same gal that sketched Gadsden Girl. Yep. Claire, I sure would like to buy you dinner sometime, but that seems like a remote possibility. It's a shame, you and Karen would get along swimmingly.
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 15, 2008, 07:50:35 pm
Got mine today. Karen asked if that was the same gal that sketched Gadsden Girl. Yep. Claire, I sure would like to buy you dinner sometime, but that seems like a remote possibility. It's a shame, you and Karen would get along swimmingly.

Awwww, hangman. Thank you.

I agree the possibility seems remote. But if I'm ever in your neighborhood, I'll take you and Karen up on the dinner. I promise. And I bet we will have a great conversation.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Tahn L. on December 16, 2008, 01:40:00 pm
Claire,

  Got mine in the mail today. Thank you so much! They are wonderful gifts for a few folk.

Tahn
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Claire on December 16, 2008, 06:28:32 pm
Well, I guess you guys must have inspired me. I haven't drawn a line in a year, but today (driven by Christmas-gift desperation), I did a pastel sketch of Frosty, one of my feral foster dogs, who now belongs to a friend of mine.

http://www.serenityhillgems.com/gallery-drawings.html

They're the first drawings in the table. The biggest file I uploaded was 300 dpi (& therefore printable with reasonable quality). But come to think of it, I don't know whether putting a .jpg on a website automatically turns it into 72 dpi.

Anyhow, it felt good to draw again.

Claire

Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: cowardly lion on December 17, 2008, 08:21:34 pm
I am so proud of you  :wub:

Good job on freeing that aspect of your creativity again!

cl
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: MamaLiberty on December 27, 2008, 04:31:45 pm
Thanks Claire and Tahn! Mine came the day before Christmas and I've already read mine!!! I'll give Gene his copy tonight when he picks me up for dinner. Can't wait to see his face!!

And I realized after I got it that I'd never seen that edition before. I had an old 101 version long ago, but this is even better.

Thanks so much!!!
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Gypsy on December 28, 2008, 01:09:21 pm
Got mine Saturday!!!!  Thanks again Claire

Happy Holidays
Gypsy
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on December 28, 2008, 01:42:39 pm
Thank you, guys! I'm glad everybody's getting their books in good time & liking them.

Yep, MamaLiberty, I pulled the original "101 Things" and "Don't Shoot the Bastards (Yet)" from circulation a few years back and replaced them with The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook, which has the best of both of those plus new stuff.

Amazing, though (and scary in a way) how quickly a lot of freedom info goes obsolete thanks to new laws & policies. I've already updated TFOH once & expect I'll eventually have to do it again. Sigh.

In the meantime -- enjoy!

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: MamaLiberty on December 28, 2008, 03:08:35 pm
Just to let you know that Gene was really blown away, especially with the wonderful comments you wrote in the book. One happy curmudgeon in Wyoming. LOL
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: azcoyote on January 02, 2009, 12:52:39 am
Got mine, Claire, and thanks so much!

Since I was away over Christmas and have had a lot of crap to do since I got back, I've not had a real chance to look at it, let alone re-read it.

I did notice a later copyright date than my original copy from Loompanics. Are there a lot of revisions, or is it just the new Paladin Press printing?

When I'm feeling low, depressed, discouraged, frustrated, or just plain shitty, I will re-read a Heinlein (doesn't matter which one) to get me back on track. I may need to add Wolfe to that list as well. I do hope to re-read it soon but I literally have stacks of books around the house that I haven't read for the first time yet. Thank Astarte Mom didn't give me a Barnes and Noble gift card this year like she usually does, as I end up spending 3 or 4 times that amount when I go to redeem it.

I just went and found my copy of "How to Kill the Job Culture..." because that's the one I REALLY need to re-read right now, even with (or maybe because of) this economic mess.

Thanks again Claire for being a light. It may take me a while to get there, but you make the beacon that guides my way burn so much brighter.

Coyote
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on January 02, 2009, 06:50:26 am
I did notice a later copyright date than my original copy from Loompanics. Are there a lot of revisions, or is it just the new Paladin Press printing?

There are definitely revisions, though I'm not sure what qualifies as a lot. Memory says I completely replaced three or four items and did updates on many more -- sometimes as simple as changing a URL, sometimes a rewrite.

Thank you for the extremely kind words, Coyote, MamaLiberty, and all. For the last year I've been writing so little (especially so little about freedom) that I've almost forgotten what words can do.

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Grimjack on January 02, 2009, 10:01:05 am
Dang it looks like I came way late to this party.....On the off chance someone backs out or you have a few extras squirreled away I would love to buy one.....
Title: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: Claire on January 03, 2009, 02:13:56 pm
I have 31 very lightly used DVDs to sell.

I'm offering them first as a package deal: All 31 for $150 and free media-mail shipping. OBO.

If nobody takes them all, then I'll offer them individually, or in smaller groups. They've been viewed no more than four or five times apiece, some only once. One or two are brand-new in their wrappers.

The package includes:

Gattaca
The Great Escape (Steve McQueen classic)
Air Bud
The Ring
Ringu (Japanese original of The Ring)
Leon: The Professional
Being John Malkovich
Tremors
Lillies of the Field (Sidney Poitier classic)
Buckaroo Banzai
West Side Story (boxed set with two DVDs and paperback book of the film's history, trivia, etc.)
My Fellow Americans
Nurse Betty
Harvey (James Stewart classic)
The Shipping News
The Sound of Music
Hellboy
Mean Girls
Conspiracy Theory
Antz
Monsters, Inc.
Three Kings
Up in Smoke (Cheech & Chong classic)
The Godfather
Blazing Saddles
Logan's Run
Harry's War (HARD TO FIND anti-IRS movie!)
Bend It Like Beckham
The Triplets of Belleville
The Shining
The Gang (from JPFO)
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 03, 2009, 02:17:18 pm
Good luck! I don't watch movies much myself. :)
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: da gooch on January 03, 2009, 11:10:39 pm

And I don't have any Moolah.
At this time ....


Best of luck with the sale,

g
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: Claire on January 04, 2009, 01:54:18 pm
Thank you, Grimjack. Unfortunately, I have no copies left, except one for myself and one I promised as a post-holiday gift. Sorry. :(

Claire
Title: Re: TENTATIVE -- Autographed copies of The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 04, 2009, 04:16:50 pm
You can still get the book, Grimjack, just not signed. Go to Amazon.com and order it there. Is the Claire store thing still working?
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: cowardly lion on January 05, 2009, 02:52:44 pm
I'll have to talk to the boss, but I'm pretty sure I can't take them all.  There's at least half a dozen I'd bid on, though.   :rolleyes:

cl



modified to say "Nope, can't do it right now, money's too tight and job's uncertain.  Oh, well."
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: BGolem on January 08, 2009, 01:00:12 am
I enjoy these pictures! I've viewed over them a few times, and also read over your thought, all very good
I was wondering if I could post your thoughts (with your name on it, if you want) on my page.
I have to say my favourite is the tree stump, I don't know why, but it appeals to me.

     Bgolem
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Claire on January 08, 2009, 09:25:10 am
I enjoy these pictures! I've viewed over them a few times, and also read over your thought, all very good
I was wondering if I could post your thoughts (with your name on it, if you want) on my page.
I have to say my favourite is the tree stump, I don't know why, but it appeals to me.

     Bgolem

Thank you, Bgolem.  :mellow:

Definitely you can post my thought (too bad it's thought-singular, the only one I've come up with so far  :laugh:) on your page. Please do credit it to me and link to the original.

Funny, isn't it, how each of us will respond to art so differently, and perhaps not even know why. My own favorite is the little boy, Joseph (http://www.serenityhillgems.com/images/Joseph-large.jpg), partly because I know how well the "twirly-whirly" style of the drawing fits his personality & partly because I know I need to let go more in my drawing, and there I did.

I've never had any confidence in my work. It's nice that you like it.

Claire
Title: Opaque projector
Post by: Claire on January 09, 2009, 08:53:37 pm
Okay, I know it's a long shot; this isn't an item most people have just sitting around. But if you've got an opaque projector you'd like to sell or barter, PM me. Almost anything will do, other than the "junior" types made for little kids. Doesn't have to be fancy, just needs to work and have an image area at least 5 x 5 inches.

Extra points if it's an old "Seerite" type or an Artograph Tracer or Artograph Designer. But I'm not picky.  :rolleyes:

Claire
Title: Re: Opaque projector
Post by: Phssthpok on January 10, 2009, 12:42:12 am
will an overhead projector suffice?
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: freewoman on January 10, 2009, 06:58:55 am
If they're all in their original packaging, I'll take 'em.  What I don't want myself (Steve McQueen sounds good right there!), I can trade at a local music-and-movies store, so that works for me!  PM me on the details.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Opaque Projector
Post by: Claire on January 10, 2009, 07:11:09 am
will an overhead projector suffice?

You betcha! You mean to say you've actually got one? Just PM me with price & terms & we'll see if we can deal.

Claire
Title: Re: Opaque projector
Post by: Claire on January 10, 2009, 07:52:08 am
Er ... I answered that question without finishing my first cup of tea.

If the overhead projector projects only transparencies, then no, sorry, I can't use that. I was thinking of a different type of projector that's similar in design but able to project opaque images like photographs.

Apologies ... back to the tea ...

Claire
Title: Re: Opaque projector
Post by: Phssthpok on January 10, 2009, 10:47:27 am
Er ... I answered that question without finishing my first cup of tea.

If the overhead projector projects only transparencies, then no, sorry, I can't use that. I was thinking of a different type of projector that's similar in design but able to project opaque images like photographs.

Apologies ... back to the tea ...

Claire

Hrm... do you EBAY (http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-SEERITE-6x6-OPAQUE-PROJECTOR-w-Instructions_W0QQitemZ370142111966QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPH_Pjojection_Equipment_Accessories?hash=item370142111966&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50)?
Title: Re: Opaque projector
Post by: Claire on January 10, 2009, 12:05:10 pm
Hrm... do you EBAY (http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-SEERITE-6x6-OPAQUE-PROJECTOR-w-Instructions_W0QQitemZ370142111966QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPH_Pjojection_Equipment_Accessories?hash=item370142111966&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50)?

I do, thank you, and I am already watching the very item you point to. If it sells at or near the starting bid price, it'll be a decent deal. But if it sells at or near the "buy it now" price with -- gulp! -- $26 bux shipping charge! it will be a terrible deal.

So while I'm waiting to see what happens with that and several other eBay projectors, I thought I'd see if anybody here had something they might want to get out of their garage.

Thanks, Phssthpok.

Claire
Title: Re: Opaque projector
Post by: Kregener on January 10, 2009, 03:14:14 pm
Make your own!

http://www.finkbuilt.com/blog/make-an-opaque-projector/

 :mellow:
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: Thunder on January 10, 2009, 03:55:36 pm
Up in Smoke?!?  Blazing Saddles?!?!  You're parting with these celluloid classics?  How ever shall you live with yourself after such a sacrifice?   :laugh:
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: Claire on January 10, 2009, 04:28:45 pm
Up in Smoke?!?  Blazing Saddles?!?!  You're parting with these celluloid classics?  How ever shall you live with yourself after such a sacrifice?   :laugh:


 :laugh: You know how you have one of those days when you could simply ditch all your possessions, throw on a backpack, and go "light" into the world? (For about an hour, until you got cold and hungry?)

Well, I was having one of those the day I started this thread.

I guess if I ever miss them too badly and Netflix can't get them to me quick enough, I could always track freewoman down and beg her to sell them back to me.  :rolleyes:

Claire
Title: Re: Opaque projector
Post by: Claire on January 10, 2009, 04:31:13 pm
Make your own!

http://www.finkbuilt.com/blog/make-an-opaque-projector/

 :mellow:

Uhhhhh, prolly not. But if the gods of eBay or TMM don't provide ... thanks for the plans. Optics do seem to be the one branch of science that even this arty type can get along with. If I can build a telescope and kaleidoscopes, why not an opaque projector?

Claire
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: freewoman on January 10, 2009, 05:25:11 pm
Or, once I get up toward the northwest, we could have a sleepover!  Girls' night in!  (Of course, it would take several days to get through them all. . . .)
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: Claire on January 10, 2009, 06:06:57 pm
Or, once I get up toward the northwest, we could have a sleepover!  Girls' night in!  (Of course, it would take several days to get through them all. . . .)

Several days? Of movies? We could handle that. Do you like parmesan cheese on your popcorn? Will you promise not to tell if I wear pajamas with footies on them?

Claire
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: da gooch on January 10, 2009, 06:34:40 pm
Or, once I get up toward the northwest, we could have a sleepover!  Girls' night in!  (Of course, it would take several days to get through them all. . . .)

Several days? Of movies? We could handle that. Do you like parmesan cheese on your popcorn? Will you promise not to tell if I wear pajamas with footies on them?

Claire

Huh ? 
Who ?
Me ?

ahem ....
{In gooches best German accent ....}

I see nothing ....
I hear nothing ....
I know noth-thing.

{end of terrible er German accent}

With apologies to Sgt Shultz.
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: amagi on January 10, 2009, 07:12:59 pm
I'm gonna go put on my footie pajamas.
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: freewoman on January 10, 2009, 07:52:37 pm
Or, once I get up toward the northwest, we could have a sleepover!  Girls' night in!  (Of course, it would take several days to get through them all. . . .)

Several days? Of movies? We could handle that. Do you like parmesan cheese on your popcorn? Will you promise not to tell if I wear pajamas with footies on them?

Claire

No, I don't like parmesan on my popcorn--I like a wee bit of dark chocolate nibbled between popcorn bites.  Yum!  Some good red wine and we're partyin'.  And I won't tell about the footie pj's if you don't tell about my wearing men's flannel shirts!  Wonder if we could get some other northwestern gals to get together once I get up that way?  I vote to start with "Up In Smoke"--good for giggles to start things off.  We might need to see Steve McQueen  more than once, though!
Title: Re: 31 very lightly used DVDs
Post by: Claire on January 11, 2009, 07:55:06 am
I'm gonna go put on my footie pajamas.

Then I think we should invite you to the slumber party, too.  :laugh:

And after watching Steve McQueen, we should watch The Tao of Steve (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234853/?fr=c2M9MXxsbT01MDB8ZmI9dXx4PTEyfHR0PTF8eT04fG14PTIwfGh0bWw9MXxzaXRlPWRmfHE9VGhlIFRhbyBvZiBTdGV2ZXxwbj0w;fc=1;ft=20).

Claire
Title: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: Claire on January 11, 2009, 03:21:41 pm
In another thread (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=20442.0), I posted about having a rare, autographed Beach Boys album and having no idea what its value might be.

That brought up a discussion of what other old vinyl I might have out in the shed and a request that I post titles I'd be willing to sell. Thus this thread. Since I have quite a few albums, I'll break them into various posts sorted by topic.

I don't know what prices I'd put on these. If you're interested in a particular album or albums, just ask and I'll give more info on its condition and I'll do some research to determine a price. Or you could just make an offer. Some albums contain extras like lyric sheets, posters, photographs, etc., which I haven't included in the listings.

In most cases, I've had these since they were new.

I'll start with the juiciest ones:

Rock-n-Roll, 1960s to 1980s

ARTIST -- ALBUM

Blood, Sweat & Tears -- Blood, Sweat & Tears

Beach Boys -- Surfin' USA
Beach Boys -- Surfer Girl
Beach Boys -- Little Deuce Coupe
Beach Boys -- All Summer Long

Rolling Stones -- Flowers
Rolling Stones -- Aftermath

Big Brother & the Holding Company -- Big Brother & the Holding Company
Big Brother & the Holding Company -- Cheap Thrills

Janis Joplin -- Pearl

Country Joe & the Fish -- Country Joe & the Fish
Country Joe & the Fish -- I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die

Donovan -- Catch the Wind
Donovan -- Fairytale
Donovan -- Mellow Yellow
Donovan -- Sunshine Superman (also contains a very bad pencil sketch of Donovan made by me as a teenager)

The Mamas & the Papas -- 16 of Their Greatest Hits

Bob Dylan -- The Times They Are A-Changin'
Bob Dylan -- Highway 61 Revisited
Bob Dylan -- Bringing It All Back Home
Bob Dylan -- Another Side of Bob Dylan

Lovin' Spoonful -- The Best of the Lovin' Spoonful
Lovin' Spoonful -- Hums of the Lovin' Spoonful

Hooters -- Nervous Night

Dire Straits -- Brothers in Arms

Jefferson Airplane -- Jefferson Airplane Takes Off (pre-Grace Slick!)
Jefferson Airplane -- Surrealistic Pillow
Jefferson Airplane -- Volunteers
Jefferson Airplane -- Crown of Creation

Jefferson Starship -- Dragonfly

The Doors -- The Doors
The Doors -- The Best of The Doors

Heart -- Heart (1985)
Heart -- Heart (1979-1980)
(Very rude of them to have two albums with the same title. The first is a one-record album; the second is a 2-record set.)

Emerson, Lake & Palmer -- Pictures at an Exhibition (by Mussorgsky)

Simon & Garfunkel -- Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme
Simon & Garfunkel -- Sounds of Silence
Simon & Garfunkel -- Bookends

Beatles -- (no title) The White Album
Beatles -- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Beatles -- Abbey Road

James Taylor -- Sweet Baby James (note: corner of album cover and sleeve chewed by dog!)

Jethro Tull -- Stand Up

Cream -- Fresh Cream  (early Eric Clapton!)

Crosby, Stills & Nash -- Crosby, Stills & Nash
Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young -- Deja Vu

Moody Blues -- Seventh Sojourn (I have 2 copies)
Moody Blues -- Days of Future Passed
Moody Blues -- A Question of Balance
Moody Blues -- On the Threshold of a Dream
Moody Blues -- In Search of the Lost Chord
Moody Blues -- This is the Moody Blues (a 2-record greatest-hits album)

Buddy Holly -- Greatest Hits (okay, so it's 1950s music; so sue me; the album itself is later, though I don't see a copyright date on it)

And that's all for now. More later in categories: sound tracks, folk and faux folk, and misc oddities

Title: Re: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: ShortyDawkins on January 11, 2009, 05:32:43 pm
 Hey Claire! Your list of records brings back a flood of memories. Groovy!

 Shorty Dawkins
Title: Re: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: Kregener on January 11, 2009, 06:59:34 pm
Claire!

You dope-smoking hippie you!

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: Claire on January 11, 2009, 07:28:54 pm
Guilty -- and grooooovy -- on all counts.  :laugh:

My lord, I can still get a contact high just listening to The Doors, Country Joe, the Airplane, or Cream.

Claire
Title: Re: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: dogsledder54 on January 11, 2009, 09:29:00 pm
Claire- I am interested in-

Donovan -- Catch the Wind
Donovan -- Fairytale
Moody Blues -- Seventh Sojourn
Moody Blues -- A Question of Balance
As well as the one we discussed earlier.

And by the way,
Moody Blues -- In Search of the Lost Child is actually In Search of the Lost Chord.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: Claire on January 11, 2009, 10:04:58 pm
And by the way,
Moody Blues -- In Search of the Lost Child is actually In Search of the Lost Chord.

Thank you! I was getting brain-dead by the time I got that far down in the list.

I'll do some checking tomorrow and see what I can come up with for reasonable asking prices. I'll PM you with both prices and more thorough condition reports on those albums. Nice dealin' with you.

Claire
Title: Re: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: Kregener on January 11, 2009, 11:29:18 pm
When all else fails
We can whip the horse's eyes
And make them sleep
And cry...
Title: Re: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: Claire on January 12, 2009, 08:17:32 am
When all else fails
We can whip the horse's eyes
And make them sleep
And cry...

Memories ... of a very strange line. (http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/06/when-all-else-fails-we-can-whip-horses.html)

Our Masters in DC will be getting to the "whiping the eyes" stage, right soon now ...

Claire

P.S. Lyrics to "The Soft Parade" (http://edit.mp3lyrics.org/t/the-doors/the-soft-parade-v2/)
Title: Re: Record Albums for Sale (yes, VINYL!)
Post by: Kregener on January 12, 2009, 10:15:08 am
Shes a witch of trouble in electric blue,
In her own mad mind shes in love with you.
With you.
Now what you gonna do?
Title: Re: Soundtrack albums for sale (vinyl)
Post by: Claire on January 12, 2009, 01:42:29 pm
More vintage vinyl -- this time, soundtrack albums. All have been in my possession since they were new.

Broadway or London stage soundtracks

Flower Drum Song
A Chorus Line
West Side Story
My Fair Lady
Oliver
Hair
South Pacific

Movie soundtracks

The Sound of Music
A Clockwork Orange
The Music Man (1962 with Robt. Preston & Shirley Jones)
Star Wars (also contains large, folded poster, about 24 x 36 inches)
Easy Rider
Z
Cabaret
Title: Re: Folk and faux folk albums for sale (vinyl)
Post by: Claire on January 12, 2009, 01:54:30 pm
More vintage vinyl for sale, this time folk and faux folk. Again, all have been in my possession since they were new.

Folk and Faux Folk of the 1950s and 1960s

ARTIST -- ALBUM

Arlo Guthrie -- Alice's Restaurant

The Kingston Trio -- Sold Out (2 copies)
The Kingston Trio -- The Best of the Kingston Trio
The Kingston Trio -- ... from the "Hungry i"
The Kingston Trio -- At Large

The Limelighters -- The Best of the Limelighters

The New Christy Minstrels -- Today
The New Christy Minstrels -- The New Christy Minstrels

Ian & Sylvia -- Four Strong Winds

Dave Van Ronk -- Folksinger

Mimi & Richard Farina -- Celebrations for a Grey Day
Mimi & Richard Farina -- Reflections in a Crystal Wind (back cover "augmented" or ruined, depending on your viewpoint, by artwork done by me while on acid)

Judy Collins -- Fifth Album
Judy Collins -- Judy Collins
Judy Collins -- Wildflowers
Judy Collins -- In My Life

Joan Baez -- In Concert
Joan Baez -- The Best of Joan C. Baez (marked as "Promotional Copy, Not for Resale"; was given to me by a friend of Baez; this album is actually from the 1970s)

Tom Paxton -- Tom Paxton 6

Peter, Paul and Mary -- Album 1700

Buffy Sainte-Marie -- Little Wheel Spin and Spin
Buffy Sainte-Marie -- Fire, Fleet & Candlelight
Buffy Sainte-Marie -- It's My Way

One more set of listings to come after this ...
Title: Re: Opaque projector
Post by: Claire on January 30, 2009, 02:11:47 pm
Courtesy of a creative TMMer, I'm now at work with something even better than an opaque projector -- a video projector that hooks into my ThinkPad as easily as a monitor.

It's a great tool and gives me more versatility than an opaque projector would have. (Hm ... maybe I can even watch DVDs with this; oh, the possibilities ...)

Since the person didn't post here, I won't ID him. But I do want to say thanks. Big time. So ...

Thank you!
And thanks to everybody for the help.

Claire
Title: Re: (Free) Scans of my drawings
Post by: Claire on March 21, 2009, 04:37:36 pm
I've added a new pastel drawing at the top of the table of downloadable art (http://www.serenityhillgems.com/gallery-drawings.html). (Scroll down a bit to where the table begins.)

This one's called "Ava Says, 'Please Don't Take My Picture, Ma!'"

 :laugh:

Hope you enjoy.

Claire
Title: Re: Opaque projector
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on May 17, 2009, 05:52:18 pm
I did a couple of setups on teleconferencing systems,  and one of them used a projector of the sort you're probably talking about.  The other one had a 50" bigscreen.  :-)  Both included very flat table mics,  and a computer-controlled camera,  and all sorts of other goodies.  It was pretty awesome stuff once I'd gotten everything unboxed and set up and connected to see live video streaming through their internet connection to and from somebody who was a ways off,  as in some nontrivial geographical distance away,  and that hardware sure was fun to play with for the short time I was doing so...

:-)


Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: da gooch on March 16, 2010, 05:58:05 pm
Brought back from the deep archives to alert folks that an enterprising young actress in Jolly Old has taken it upon herself to make a Prequel to LoTR called Born of Hope.

I am using this older "looking for" post to ask IF there is anyone who can download and copy the new prequel to LoTR for me ?
Dial-up is such a pain but location makes any alternative uneconomically feasible.

I can trade 10 blank disks for someone making me a copy so that I can watch [and keep] the new "segment".

New Prequel is here Born of Hope (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249966/Lord-Rings-fanatic-reaps-fruit-labour-self-funded-prequel-Born-Of-Hope-scores-500-000-views-internet.html).

IS Possible ?



Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: Moonbeam on March 17, 2010, 03:20:53 pm
GOOCH - I'll talk to DH about it...
Title: Re: Wanted: LOTR Extended Edition
Post by: da gooch on April 06, 2010, 08:47:36 pm
And DH said ... ?  [with Hope in his heart ...]
Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: mutti on May 29, 2011, 09:19:14 am
Anyone have an old one lying about that we could purchase?

Got a really interested minion who is taking photos like these (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/) with HP N.z67 that has a lens which won't close, has been dropped in water, and sometimes "brain farts" in how it works. 

looking for Digital that is a step up. Of course I don't know what that would be..........

Title: Re: Wanted: Your old digital camera
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 29, 2011, 11:51:08 am
Anyone have an old one lying about that we could purchase?

Got a really interested minion who is taking photos like these (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/) with HP N.z67 that has a lens which won't close, has been dropped in water, and sometimes "brain farts" in how it works. 

looking for Digital that is a step up. Of course I don't know what that would be..........

Wow! That's great. Wish I had one to send you. My old one got dropped into a snow bank and went fizzle pop... and never worked again. sigh
Title: Freelancer wanted
Post by: Claire on June 16, 2014, 12:50:43 pm
Hi, guys. I know I haven't been around here much lately, but I thought of y'all when a client came up with a need for a good contractor. So here goes. If you're interested or have questions, please PM me. I'll be checking in once or twice a day for the next week or so.

FREELANCER WANTED

Chief skills required: Good writing; some knowledge of graphics (at least enough to work with a designer; a plus if you can do some minor layout of your own); ability to give wise counsel on matters related to advertising, fundraising, public relations, marketing, etc.

Knowledge and experience in freedom issues, particularly Second Amendment issues, is helpful. Must play reasonably well with others.

This is paying work and could turn into something nicely long-term for the right person.

PM me with qualifications or questions! Thanks.

Claire Wolfe
Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: Moonbeam on June 16, 2014, 04:17:31 pm
Hi Claire!  :hello:
Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 16, 2014, 04:27:56 pm
That sounds marvelous, Claire. All of my graphics and "lay out" skills are tied to experience in journalism when I was in college... in the dark ages. All on paper with typewriters, scissors and glue type stuff.   I have a sneaking hunch they need computer skills for today. LOL

Good luck! If they'd like to consult with someone who deals with NAP and self defense issues for the non ninja set, especially women and handicapped, I'd love to hear from them. I work cheap... like... I'd be happy to contribute gratis.
Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 16, 2014, 06:28:13 pm
What about Bill St. Claire? He has the qualifications, right?
Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: Claire on June 16, 2014, 09:54:37 pm
Hi, Moonbeam! Nice to "see" you again.

MamaLiberty, I'll drop you an email. I don't think you're the person for this job (and if you were, there's no way you should work gratis -- though thank you for that). But there may be some related projects for you.

DiabloLoco ... hm. Didn't think about Bill. He definitely has some good 2A qualifications and he can write. But the job really needs a background in advertisting or some related field & come to think of it I simply don't know what Bill's background is.

Good start on some thinking. Thank you, guys.
Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 17, 2014, 06:26:18 am
MamaLiberty, I'll drop you an email. I don't think you're the person for this job (and if you were, there's no way you should work gratis -- though thank you for that). But there may be some related projects for you.

Great! I'm all ears (or eyes, as the case may be!). Would love to help out any way possible. At least I can write stuff. :)
Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: Bill St. Clair on June 17, 2014, 08:27:48 am
What about Bill St. Claire? He has the qualifications, right?

Nope. I'm good at geeky stuff related to web site creation, but suck at visual design and suck harder at any kind of PR, advertising, or sales.

Plenty of knowledge of freedom issues and 2A. Play reasonably with others until they start to act stupid.
Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: Claire on June 17, 2014, 10:14:27 am
What about Bill St. Claire? He has the qualifications, right?

Nope. I'm good at geeky stuff related to web site creation, but suck at visual design and suck harder at any kind of PR, advertising, or sales.

Plenty of knowledge of freedom issues and 2A. Play reasonably with others until they start to act stupid.

LOL, do I ever hear ya on playing well until somebody acts stupid. Thanks for the response, Bill. I agree you don't have the right skillset for this gig, but I'll go on admiring you, anyhow.  :mellow:
Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: Claire on June 17, 2014, 10:24:37 am
I was trying to keep my initial post useful but brief. But I now see I left out a couple of important details. So to add:

Writing in an important part of the gig, but the majority of the writing is print ads, direct mail solicitations, business communications, and similar things. Knowledge and experience with freedomista issues is needed, but the majority of the writing is business-related, not op-ed.

Experience in advertising or related fields is crucial. The client needs somebody who can not just execute projects, but give reliable advice on how to appeal to an audience, create effective offers, make best use of a limited ad budget, etc.

Thanks again,
Claire

Title: Re: Freelancer wanted
Post by: da gooch on July 04, 2014, 11:04:12 pm
I was trying to keep my initial post useful but brief. But I now see I left out a couple of important details. So to add:

Writing in an important part of the gig, but the majority of the writing is print ads, direct mail solicitations, business communications, and similar things. Knowledge and experience with freedomista issues is needed, but the majority of the writing is business-related, not op-ed.

Experience in advertising or related fields is crucial. The client needs somebody who can not just execute projects, but give reliable advice on how to appeal to an audience, create effective offers, make best use of a limited ad budget, etc.

Thanks again,
Claire
Hi Claire,

It is good to hear from you.
Now ...
I can type [as long as I don't injure either one of my fingers - hunt and peck is typing isn't it?]
I can lift heavy objects [usually 12 or more ounces]
I can start firewood stoves and maintain them [yep but you knew that already right?]
I ...

I can go sit in the corner and be quiet now ....

stay safe my friend
Title: WTB and WTS posts by Claire
Post by: Silver on February 26, 2016, 01:48:03 pm
Many threads started by Claire Wolfe produced lively discussion and sometimes valuable references and information.     This thread contains the threads started by Claire Wolfe in the "Services & items SOUGHT" and "Services & items OFFERED" forums.