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Title: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: George Potter on August 02, 2007, 12:04:58 am
NOTE: The Walt's Gulch posts will be added later as Walt's Gulch (The Serialized Partial First Draft) as soon as I have properly ordered them. The sample chapters of The Scroll Of Jeremiah will be added when I can find links to the first two.




Poetry:

The Night Of Randall's Crates (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=4682.0)

Rumors From The Cold (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=4878.0)

My Name Is Craven (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=8613.0)

In the hour of promise (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=9561.0)

Phil Presley Doesn't Live Here Any More (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=9026.0)


Songs For Good Men & Bad (Sample/Teaser Chapters):

Networks (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=11961.0)

Fugue State (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12008.0)

Robin Hood's Revenge (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12765.0)

Return To Walt's Gulch (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=13071.0)

God Comes Out To Play (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12715.0)

And Then There Were None... (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=13751.0)

Epilouge: Suffer Not The Evil Man (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=13162.0)

Buy the full novel! (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=14637.0)



Non Fiction/On Writing/Advice:

The Wisdom Of Captain Liberty (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=4478.0)

Heinlein (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5723.0)

I Love My Truck (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=7086.0)

Books & Simple Pleasures (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=7729.0)


Autobio/Essay:

Letter To A Ghost, On Its Fiftieth Birthday (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=14842.0)

Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Bill St. Clair on August 02, 2007, 06:50:32 am
Stickied. Thanks for the reminder of The Scroll of Jeremiah. I bought it, shortly after finishing Songs of Good Men & Bad, but then promptly forgot about it. Duh.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: George Potter on August 02, 2007, 06:57:10 am
Stickied. Thanks for the reminder of The Scroll of Jeremiah. I bought it, shortly after finishing Songs of Good Men & Bad, but then promptly forgot about it. Duh.

Much obliged, Bill. I can remove a note now! :P
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: coloradohermit on August 02, 2007, 08:51:49 am
Thanks for organizing that Gloryroad! 
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Junker on August 02, 2007, 08:55:58 am
Yes, thanks, GR. After "Letter to a Ghost, On Its Fiftieth Birthday", I wanted to review Joel's writings.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: George Potter on August 02, 2007, 09:07:19 am

You are welcome. :)

I'm working on ordering the WG posts. I hope to have it done and posted by tonight.

Yes, thanks, GR. After "Letter to a Ghost, On Its Fiftieth Birthday", I wanted to review Joel's writings.

Make sure to read 'Phil Presley Doesn't Live Here Any More'. I think it's the best poem ever posted on the forum.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Joel on August 02, 2007, 11:34:29 am
Gawdamn.  *sniff*

Thanks, GP.  I'm honored.


Though if it's the BEST of Joel Simon, one of those poems should sure's hell come off the list. 
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Pagan on August 02, 2007, 12:27:42 pm
Thaanks, George but... The list isn't long enough -- More! More!

I got it altogether and will lay it out as an anthology.
~~~~

Joel,  do yu want a copy of this in one book/file?

(But I don't think any poem should come off the list.)
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Joel on August 02, 2007, 12:34:09 pm
Joel,  do yu want a copy of this in one book/file?

 :icon_pale:  Oh, hell no.  The vast bulk of my WB postings are off-the-top-of-my-head Walt's Gulch chapters, VERY first drafts that often suck massively.  Hell, I threw about half of it away and started over when I wrote the actual book.  If you guys really want to add those to a "best of" thread I'm honored, but please pick and choose because they sure as hell aren't all the best.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Plinker-MS on August 02, 2007, 03:34:28 pm
Excellent work, GR

I am glad to see you  are "paying it forward".

Now, add all the good stuff Joel has posted at TLE:

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=26819457&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=joel+simon


I am particularly fond if this one, even if Joel isn't:

I just don't want to die alone (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2002/libe155-20020107-03.html)
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Pagan on August 02, 2007, 05:37:29 pm
Among other things I found at TLE was mention of a book, The Staff of the Nameless God.
Was that book ever published, Joel? And where can I find it?
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: da gooch on August 02, 2007, 05:42:25 pm
GP,

Well Done


Joel,

Well Done  [many times]

g








edit = you need ask ?
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Joel on August 02, 2007, 06:17:09 pm
Among other things I found at TLE was mention of a book, The Staff of the Nameless God.
Was that book ever published, Joel? And where can I find it?

It got lulu-published under the title The Scroll of Jeremiah.  That was the first complete novel I'd ever let anybody else read, though not my best stuff.  You can find it here (http://www.lulu.com/content/96444).

My personal favorite (though I do believe the only people who ever read it were people I gave copies to) was The Last Faithful Man (http://www.amazon.com/Last-Faithful-Man-Joel-Simon/dp/1411622839/ref=sr_1_1/104-8280541-8894324?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186096181&sr=8-1).  After that I burned out of plagiarizing the bible, apparently forever.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Pagan on August 02, 2007, 07:16:42 pm
Thanks for the links.

If you ever get around to "plagiarizing the Bible" again, I'd be interested in the Tower of Babel. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: da gooch on August 02, 2007, 08:36:24 pm
The Scroll of Jeremiah

"Jeremiah's one ambition was to be a good man. Conscripted into his nation's army while still a boy, he was taught that to be good was to obey every orders spoken in the name of God, no matter to what atrocities those orders led him. When he was a boy, he later bitterly says, he believed it. Perhaps then he was still innocent. But over the decades he has become a hated and feared master of a trade he despises with all his heart. When the land is struck with a terrible plague, Jeremiah embarks on a solitary quest. Overcoming many difficulties, he learns that to save his family and his land, he must conquer the one monster he hoped never to face: Himself."
quoted from LuLu dot com

The Last Faithful Man

"This is the story of the ancient Israelite prophet Elijah, and his conflict with Jezebel and the cults of Baal and Ashtarte. The political struggle between the national kings and the traditional religious forces are the subtext of this story from the Biblical Book of Kings. In the original narrative, Jezebel is protrayed as entirely evil and Elijah entirely good. But time has a way of reducing real people to one-dimensional caricatures, when the realities are much more complex. The conflict takes place over several generations, and eventually determines the future of the nation."
quoted from Amazon dot com

Yeah, I ordered both.

You'd think i was independently wealthy or something ...... :rolleyes: [well OK independent any way ...]

A character flaw.   {-blush-}   I own more books than most libraries.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: George Potter on August 02, 2007, 10:20:46 pm

Plinker -- thanks for the links.

Joel -- I was mainly going to include the first draft WG stuff as a sort of technical exercise. To let people see how material changes between drafts, the false starts, mind-changing, tangents, etc. involved in the writing process. IMO, that makes them particularly suited to The Writer's Block and it's purpose. If you have any particular chapters you want left off, let me know.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Joel on August 03, 2007, 11:27:54 am
Now, add all the good stuff Joel has posted at TLE:

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=26819457&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=joel+simon


I am particularly fond if this one, even if Joel isn't:

I just don't want to die alone (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2002/libe155-20020107-03.html)


Here are my favorites from my time at TLE:

If You're Not Atlas, Are You Still Allowed to Shrug? (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2003/libe208-20030127-04.html)
Cry Havok! And Let Slip the Lickspittles of War  (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2003/libe209-20030203-06.html)
Unintended Evangelism (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2002/libe201-20021202-02.html)
An Armed Society Is... (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2002/libe163-20020304-02.html)
Would Hayek Have A Shotgun Rack In His Pickup Truck? (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2002/libe158-20020128-03.html)
Very, Very Strange Bedfellows  (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2003/libe205-20030106-02.html)
The Bad Citizen (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2004/tle253-20040104-05.html)
But ... But ... We're the Good Guys!  (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2003/libe232-20030803-03.html)
Temporary Worker, Permanent Tourist  (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2004/tle267-20040418-05.html)
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: debeez on November 10, 2007, 02:38:09 pm
Just landed back at the site after a millennia it seems of being away.

Bought "Walt's Gulch" and the sequel and they came in the mail yesterday.

I told myself I wouldn't read them until my 'assigned' reading was done. I'm busy studying to be a life coach (as if two businesses weren't damn well enough for me) and I have eight books I have decided will get me where I need to go on the subject. "Just a couple of pages" I reasoned yesterday as I picked up the book. It was calling to me, swear to God!. And they seemed nearly exactly what I remembered from the draft he had sent two years ago. So far, most of it has very little changes, now that those 'couple of' pages have turned into 108.

I love it, can't wait to get to the chapters I didn't ever get to reading, far later after dismembered field agents are disposed of. And of course there is the sequel.

In addition, although think I may have read it before, "I Don't Want To Die Alone" is damned good Joel, I loved reading it all over again as I found this folder. And now, I must return to my assigned reading, but I'm making a list of your suggested readings to reward myself with in small increments!

Darling, you rock!

Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Ire on November 21, 2007, 08:18:41 pm
Oh HELL yes, I didn't know these were all available for pay-to-download!

Gonna be up all night reading now, damn you!

Wish I had seen this earlier...
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Lazarus Long on January 28, 2008, 10:30:50 pm
I couldn't find a direct link to Joel's novel Walt's Gulch in this thread.

The TMM thread announcing its availability is here (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=10019.0).

Buy the book here (http://www.lulu.com/joelsimon).
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: socalserf on June 16, 2008, 07:35:23 am
Thanks for all the Joel Simon links.
But, I couldn't find this;

'Phil Presley Doesn't Live Here Any More'

Anyone with a link?
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Joel on June 19, 2008, 10:56:16 am
Thanks for all the Joel Simon links.
But, I couldn't find this;

'Phil Presley Doesn't Live Here Any More'

Anyone with a link?

There's a link to it in the very first entry of this thread.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Claire on August 22, 2009, 09:03:15 am
Just gave the "Best of George Potter" thread a bump and thought I'd do the same for Joel Simon. To call Joel the second-best fiction writer at TMM is no insult -- because his competition is George, who could (if he chose) be published alongside the greatest writers in the world. So to be second-best in this case is a marvelous thing.

To anybody looking for some fantastic freedomista novels, I recommend Joel's books Walt's Gulch and (even better) its sequel Songs of Bad Men and Good. Both can be purchased via Joel's blog, The Ultimate Answer to Kings. (http://theultimateanswertokings.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Undefined on August 22, 2009, 01:08:00 pm

To be perfectly honest, Joel kicks my ass in narrative cohesion and structure over length. He can write novels.

I guess, in a sense, we ramble through different fields. I'm primarily a short fiction writer and he seems most comfortable with novel length fiction. I think we're both fairly unique in 'libertarian fiction' (or, as Joel calls it, 'freedomista fic') in that we are both ferociously devoted to the idea that story and prose come before message.

If anyone is wondering, Bad Patterns is still on its way. I've gained a real lesson and appreciation for what Pagan and Dare2 did with symbols flow. This typesetting/formatting stuff is hard. LOL
I'm hoping to be finished before Xmas. Astoria is once again going to supply cover art and it will contain interior illustrations. (Another thing delaying me.) This will be all short fiction, and less overtly political. This will allow me to send a copy to gentleman and scholar (and brilliant fantasist) Charles De Lint at The Magazine Of Science Fiction & Fantasy, the only major reviewer who will accept self-published/ultra-small press material. His criteria to review is if it keeps him reading, nothing else.

I'll keep you all posted. :)

-G.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: Undefined on August 22, 2009, 01:51:44 pm

Oh, and when it comes to explaining complex political concepts, history and trends in a down to earth and entertaining way, I think Joel & I both take a back seat to you, Claire. :)
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: gaurdduck on August 22, 2009, 02:24:45 pm
A character flaw.   {-blush-}   I own more books than most libraries.

My Granma owns more.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: da gooch on August 22, 2009, 03:26:29 pm

A character flaw.   {-blush-}   I own more books than most libraries.

My Granma owns more.


{Stunned silence ....}

Uhm .... ahem .... Good  for  her.     I guess ....


















Has this thread fallen into "the third grade" dimension warp ?
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: gaurdduck on August 22, 2009, 03:36:21 pm
Not really.
We* have to haul them every time she moves.



*The Family and I.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: MsSage on August 22, 2009, 04:29:59 pm
gooch are you a bibliophile??????? ( had to bring this out of 3rd grade )
Is it the smell of the new book or the feel of the pages or the feel after you have read it?

Hey I admit I LOVE the smell and feel of a new book nothing better.
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: da gooch on August 22, 2009, 05:44:50 pm
{he shuffles to the front of the room, takes a deep breath, stands up straight and says ....}

Hi.   I'm gooch and I'm ... a bibliophile.

 :rolleyes:



Yes Ma'am I can't really pin it down ... it has to do with the heft and feel of the book, it also has to do with the [purely subjective] mental image of the inherent longevity of the "printed word", it has to do with becoming absorbed into a world of imagination created by a skilled writer.

And while we are on the subject of skilled writer's .... I Highly recommend Joel's books.  Here (http://theultimateanswertokings.blogspot.com/)  scroll down about 1/3rd of the way and on the left you will see "Shameless Plug Time" and below it links to his books.

And then there is the author of this particular thread [GP, DIS, and various other incarnations] who is yet another very very skilled author/word crafter.

This forum seems to be Blessed with an abundance of excellent writers. [and Yes I have a favorite ... two in fact.]

I enjoy finding a "priceless treasure" on the shelves of the local Goodwill or second hand shop.

It is hard for me to express but yep ... busted ... a bibliophile.

edit =  I almost forgot my smilie .... *gasp*
Title: Re: The Best Of Joel Simon
Post by: gaurdduck on August 22, 2009, 08:45:25 pm
Quote
This forum seems to be Blessed with an abundance of excellent writers. [and Yes I have a favorite ... two in fact.

My favorite writers:

Gary Paulsen
Masashi Kishimoto
Claire Wolfe
Uncle Fester
Sun Tzu
Mike Vanderboegh

I know I'm forgetting somebody...