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Title: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: byron mc on November 07, 2008, 04:01:34 pm

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Fellow named Chad Kimball calls the Chicago police, the city clerk, and the legal department to find out if he can raise chickens in the city.

10 minutes of his phone calls in a humorous video of the conflicting information.

http://www.cityfarmer.info/does-my-city-allow-me-to-raise-chickens/


just don't ask the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) from the USDA as they will probably want premise registration...
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 07, 2008, 04:11:16 pm
Why would anyone want to live in or around Chicago in the first place, much less with chickens?

And what is this "allow" crap? If you want chickens, you'd best be where nobody's going to give a darn instead of crawling to ask permission. That's just so sick.
Title: Report: Illicit urban chicken movement growing in US
Post by: byron mc on December 29, 2008, 09:22:05 am
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Citing unsanctioned henhouses in Denver, Boston, and other cities, Worldwatch’s Ben Block notes that an “underground ‘urban chicken’ movement has swept across the United States in recent years,”

10.08.2008
http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2008/10/08/report-illicit-urban-chicken-movement-growing-in-us/
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: sharp_shepherd on December 30, 2008, 10:36:01 am
i just had a chance to listen to the whole thing and i must say that it is funny as heck.  Kinda makes me want to call around and do the same thing.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on December 30, 2008, 12:53:33 pm
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Why would anyone want to live in or around Chicago in the first place, much less with chickens?

And what is this "allow" crap? If you want chickens, you'd best be where nobody's going to give a darn instead of crawling to ask permission. That's just so sick.

Often thought about why people would want to live in cities, but the alternative is for them to move to the rural areas . So I think it is good for them to enjoy living in cities and having a few hens.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: MamaLiberty on December 30, 2008, 03:21:09 pm
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Why would anyone want to live in or around Chicago in the first place, much less with chickens?

And what is this "allow" crap? If you want chickens, you'd best be where nobody's going to give a darn instead of crawling to ask permission. That's just so sick.

Often thought about why people would want to live in cities, but the alternative is for them to move to the rural areas . So I think it is good for them to enjoy living in cities and having a few hens.

Perhaps, back in the time when the cities were not so full of control freaks. Now it seems to be a good way to throw yourself under the bus of the police state. Chicago just seems to be an even nastier place to live that most cities, even without chickens.

But I confess I'm a country girl, and even going to town here - population about 3500 - is too much city for me after only a short time. I couldn't live there.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Lenny on January 02, 2009, 04:10:34 pm
Dang you Byron.  :angry:

Now you've gone and motivated me to ask my borough whether they allow chickens in the back yard. The town referred me to the code enforcement officer, who started out negative (remarkably like the calls in your post), and quickly shifted to suggesting I write a letter to the council c/o him, and he'll pass it along to them with his opinion. He mentioned that some folks in town still keep rabbits, and read me some stuff from the ordinance on domestic animals.

Then an hour later he spontaneously called me back. He offered several solid arguments why a few laying hens could be fine according to the ordinance, and suggested I incorporate those into his proposed letter and then show up at the next council meeting, "If you're really serious about keeping hens, and you don't want to be subject to some councilman's whim." He suggested pointing out the vagueness of the ordinance, and then advancing the following arguments:

* That any eggs from the proposed hens would be for family consumption and not for sale, consistent with "pets" as opposed to "farm animals,"

* That rabbits and hunting dogs are examples of outside pets clearly permitted by the ordinance,

* That the proposed hens would be penned just like said hunting dogs and rabbits (and hence, additionally, would not be a nuisance),

* That the proposed hens would not include a rooster, and hence wouldn't pose a nuisance from crowing, and

* That the proposed pen is in keeping with accepted practice, and hence poses no health risks or animal cruelty concerns.

So now this sucks every way you look at it. A friendly, helpful government official is always depressing--he's the "velvet glove" in the form of a guy I'd happily buy a beer for. And now if the town says no, I'll feel oppressed; but if it says yes, I'll bear the shame of knowing that I'm acting with permission from the man like a good little slave. But coward that I am, I'm reluctant to wage war on the town by starting a pirate egg-farm just to prove my point. I'm not in a financial position to relocate after things (inevitably) get ugly, and my wife and son know people in this town.

Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on January 02, 2009, 06:35:39 pm
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So now this sucks every way you look at it. A friendly, helpful government official is always depressing--he's the "velvet glove" in the form of a guy I'd happily buy a beer for. And now if the town says no, I'll feel oppressed; but if it says yes, I'll bear the shame of knowing that I'm acting with permission from the man like a good little slave. But coward that I am, I'm reluctant to wage war on the town by starting a pirate egg-farm just to prove my point. I'm not in a financial position to relocate after things (inevitably) get ugly, and my wife and son know people in this town.

Sounds to me like he is a human being that puts  his pants on like everyone else.....one leg at a time.

I am not one to see everyone as the same, no matter what their position, only on their merits.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Lenny on January 02, 2009, 08:08:27 pm
Sounds to me like he is a human being that puts  his pants on like everyone else.....one leg at a time. I am not one to see everyone as the same, no matter what their position, only on their merits.

True, but. He lives on the proceeds of theft. There's a criminal or two in my own (extended) family, so I can testify firsthand that thieves can be decent folks--apart from the fact they happen to be thieves. But that doesn't excuse their thievery.

Ignorance is also a partial excuse. It doesn't justify anything, but it mitigates one's guilt.

And it's even possible that he's a Ron Paul type, working for government in order to fight its abuses from within. That would definitely count for something.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Lenny on January 11, 2009, 05:18:00 pm
Here (http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=120627) is a draft of the letter I'm writing to the town council. Note the obsequiousness throughout; not exactly "agitation" there. But my primary goal is to remove this restriction on my property, and if it can be done with the council's cooperation, fine by me.
Title: midwest - Pet Hens and changing local laws
Post by: byron mc on January 16, 2009, 07:06:12 am
Now you've gone and motivated me to ask my borough whether they allow chickens in the back yard.

Great news! this Agitator subforum along with the Activist subforum allows us to inspire and tell our tales furthering our freedoms.


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my primary goal is to remove this restriction on my property

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but if it says yes, I'll bear the shame of knowing that I'm acting with permission from the man like a good little slave.
I view this as then you have won a little freedom back from the over-legislation on our freedoms by city councils of small towns and local municipalities.

You have a goal. If you accomplish your goal it doesn't matter how you got there. Think of it as a councilman was helping you out and actually 'on your side' rather than him being a puppetmaster and using you as a voter to further any agenda he has...

And if you do accomplish your goal give him some public praise for his 'assistance'.
Please let us know what happens after the next city council meeting!


Title: Pet Hens and changing local laws
Post by: Klapton Isgod on January 16, 2009, 10:16:14 am
And if you do accomplish your goal give him some public praise for his 'assistance'.
Please let us know what happens after the next city council meeting!

I agree.  A letter to the editor of your local paper would be great.
Title: Re: Pet Hens and changing local laws
Post by: Lenny on January 20, 2009, 06:29:48 pm
Please let us know what happens after the next city council meeting!

Well, I just got back from the town meeting. They tabled it till next month so they can consult the town's solicitor.

The council has five members, and the mayor was present. Two members were pretty favorable to it, including the council president, who mentioned having friends in other towns with chickens and they're not being a problem for noise or smell. Two other members were pretty stolidly against it; both basically objected that, "rules are rules and chickens aren't pets." One was pretty quiet. The mayor first pointed out that folks keep pigeons, but then said something about not wanting to set a precedent.

The secretary, who had no standing to vote, suggested that rabbits (which I mentioned in my letter) are nothing like chickens because people do keep them in the house. She then stated that the council that passed the ordinance (of which no members were present today) would definitely not have been in favor of chickens. She then got pigs into it somehow, I couldn't quite see how. :skeptical:

And in the end they decided to table it. They asked me courteously if I minded--and what am I supposed to say? I'd rather hear a very likely "no" now, than a possible "yes" later?
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on January 21, 2009, 09:19:50 am
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They tabled it till next month so they can consult the town's solicitor.

If the solicitor says no, then just petition to get rid of the council. If he is the final say then why do you need the rest of them?
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: 2ndA on January 30, 2009, 09:39:47 am
Why would anyone want to live in or around Chicago in the first place, much less with chickens?

Damned if I know the answer to why anyone wants to be ahive dweller.  I've heard all the excuses, from art to job distance to "culture" but none of them are more than just that, excuses.  I live in the woods and can still get to a some of the largest cities in the nation within no more than a few hours by car, but I don't have to put up with the traffic, smog, rules, crime, cops, taxes, nosy bureaucrats/neighbors, etc. 

Still, let them stay there.  The alternative is they all move out here and I for one don't want 'em.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Leaflock on March 03, 2009, 08:59:42 am
Just get the dang chickens and forget about ordinances.  Just be sure to get pullets.  Roosters crowing at 4 a.m. are sure to bring immediate problems.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on March 10, 2009, 10:30:09 pm
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NC town will allow small chicken farms
The Associated Press
Posted: Tuesday, Mar. 10, 2009
More Information

    * http://www.newsobserver.com

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. The town that's home to the University of North Carolina's flagship campus says it's OK for homeowners to operate small chicken farms.

The News & Observer of Raleigh reported the Chapel Hill Town Council voted Monday night to allow small-scale chicken farming in the town limits.

The vote will allow people to keep hens in any of the town's residential districts, affecting about 7,700 households. But no roosters will be allowed.

Until now, up to 20 chickens were permitted in low-density zoning districts that covered only about 140 households. Town planner Rae Buckley estimated that 10 to 20 households in Chapel Hill had been raising chickens.
Information from: The News & Observer, http://www.newsobserver.com
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: mutti on March 11, 2009, 08:23:58 am
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The above is myself doing a "happy dance" for you. (I tripped at the end).

Mutti
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Eternal_Vigilance on March 11, 2009, 09:12:53 pm
Illicit urban chicken movement growing in US

i dunno whether this is hilarious, or just sad...
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: MsSage on March 16, 2009, 08:01:49 pm
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The above is myself doing a "happy dance" for you. (I tripped at the end).
ROFLMAO
Are you sure that wasnt the chicken dance????????????

Hey, allowing chickens in the city is gaining a freedom I say let the movement keep growing.

Now I have that STUPID chicken dance song STUCK in my head  :rolleyes: :angry:
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Canadian Mamma on March 16, 2009, 09:23:04 pm
Illicit urban chicken movement growing in US

i dunno whether this is hilarious, or just sad...

Oh this movement along with "Urban Farming" is catching on here in Canada too.  The main knock against it, besides folks thinking it will bring down property values, is that there is a concern about rats.  As if chickens have magical feathers/becks/powers to make rats materialize out of the atmosphere. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: mutti on March 16, 2009, 09:30:54 pm
Illicit urban chicken movement growing in US

i dunno whether this is hilarious, or just sad...

Oh this movement along with "Urban Farming" is catching on here in Canada too.  The main knock against it, besides folks thinking it will bring down property values, is that there is a concern about rats.  As if chickens have magical feathers/becks/powers to make rats materialize out of the atmosphere. :rolleyes:

No. That takes an Election - just look at the recent crop in DC et al!

mutti
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on March 16, 2009, 10:52:59 pm
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Illicit urban chicken movement growing in US

i dunno whether this is hilarious, or just sad...

Was there a link?

Chapel Hills is far from where I live, it is pretty much of an up-scale university town.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: sharp_shepherd on March 18, 2009, 10:32:36 am
I live in a relatively small town and I didn't even bother to ask if i could get my chickens and 1 rooster.  If the lady next door can have 15 cats then I can have chickens...and if the cats can get past my dogs and bother my chickens the law says that I can shoot them.  Luckily I have a chihuahua that thinks the chicks are her pups and gets up all night to check on them.  She even cries if i accidentally shut the door and she can't check on them.  Looks like i have a guard dog.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on March 19, 2009, 08:22:43 am
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Luckily I have a chihuahua that thinks the chicks are her pups and gets up all night to check on them.  She even cries if i accidentally shut the door and she can't check on them.  Looks like i have a guard dog.

Chihuahua can be very good guard dogs. Had a friend whose little dog treed a bear.


If you live in an area with a few people you could build some roll around chicken coops and sell them with six or eight chickens.  There are a lot of sites with good designs.

Just found this link

http://www.citychicks.com.au/
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: NuclearDruid on March 19, 2009, 10:56:32 am
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Illicit urban chicken movement growing in US

i dunno whether this is hilarious, or just sad...

Was there a link?

Chapel Hills is far from where I live, it is pretty much of an up-scale university town.

CSMonitor: Illicit urban chicken movement growing in US (http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2008/10/08/report-illicit-urban-chicken-movement-growing-in-us/)

ND
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: NuclearDruid on May 22, 2009, 12:35:47 pm
NPR ran a story yesterday.

Backyard Coops Make Chicks Chic (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104304441)

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Some cities don't allow residents to keep chickens, because they worry about the noise, the smell and the rodents that are attracted to the feed. And, of course, there are those who say they don't want chickens next door. Yet many are taking another look at the idea.

Andy Schneider, known as Atlanta's "Chicken Whisperer," lives in the suburbs. He started a Web site and Internet radio show for people interested in keeping backyard flocks.

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"When we go to cities, a lot of times we'll ask them, 'Why don't you want your citizens to lead a more self-sustaining lifestyle? Why don't you want your citizens to save some money in this hard economic time by allowing them to raise backyard poultry?'" Schneider says. "And I'm telling you, Animal Control, I'm sure, gets way more calls from barking dogs and dogs running loose and cats than they ever have from backyard poultry."

ND
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on May 22, 2009, 03:12:48 pm
link to atlanta's chicken whisperer.


http://www.atlantachickenwhisperer.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: gaurdduck on May 31, 2009, 02:55:42 pm
I presently live on an urban homestead in the South. I'm building a chicken coop and run. My city allows up to 10 chickens. I'm a ghost activist so don't ask where. :ph34r:

Edited to add: It's kinda pointless without a where isn't it?

and

Damn, I was so green back then.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: gaurdduck on November 25, 2009, 03:25:25 am
I presently live on an urban homestead in the South. I'm building a chicken coop and run. My city allows up to 10 chickens. I'm a ghost activist so don't ask where. :ph34r:

Wow, this was my first post.

The chicken thing didn't work out.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Bear on November 30, 2009, 03:48:38 pm
Even Truckee has it's own Chicken Underground movement. This is an idea
who's time has come.

Bear
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Rarick on November 30, 2009, 06:04:37 pm
chickens do not like rats, because rats like eggs.   Chickens are big enough, especially in a decent flock to kill rats.  Red herring argument.  Now if they have an issue with smells/noise, I would understand that.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Leaflock on January 10, 2010, 09:57:29 pm
I presently live on an urban homestead in the South. I'm building a chicken coop and run. My city allows up to 10 chickens. I'm a ghost activist so don't ask where. :ph34r:

Wow, this was my first post.

The chicken thing didn't work out.

Why didn't it work out? 


I am nearly finished with my poultry yard.  Hope to have 3 Dominique hens come April.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Basil Fishbone on January 10, 2010, 11:11:16 pm
The Bozeman, Montana city council recently voted to allow small flocks of chickens (not roosters) in town.  I was at the CC meeting when a number of chicken supporters showed up to argue for it, including a lady with a chicken in a basket, which she carried around and introduced to the commissioners.  :)   I must say, if I had a rooster next door I would not look favorably on early morning wake up calls, and they are inevitable.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: gaurdduck on February 13, 2010, 09:48:01 am
I presently live on an urban homestead in the South. I'm building a chicken coop and run. My city allows up to 10 chickens. I'm a ghost activist so don't ask where. :ph34r:

Wow, this was my first post.

The chicken thing didn't work out.

Why didn't it work out? 
I am nearly finished with my poultry yard.  Hope to have 3 Dominique hens come April.

Lack of equipment, funds, and chickens that a friend was gonna give us for free.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: mutti on August 31, 2011, 04:52:06 pm
Council OKs up to three hens in city back yards (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/08/31/3873647/council-oks-up-to-three-hens-in.html#ixzz1We5ZHpqQ)

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Chickens are no longer backyard outlaws in Sacramento.

With a unanimous vote Tuesday night, the City Council passed an ordinance that will allow city residents to keep up to three egg-laying hens in their back yards starting Nov. 1.

The new law was lauded by advocates of the slow-food movement and environmentalists.

"Allowing people who have a home and a yard in our city to not only grow fresh produce for themselves but also to have chickens goes a long way toward addressing food security," said Councilman Rob Fong.

Households that want to keep chickens will be required to pay $15, plus an annual fee of $10 per chicken. No roosters will be allowed.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: RagnarDanneskjold on September 08, 2011, 04:56:50 pm
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Households that want to keep chickens will be required to pay $15, plus an annual fee of $10 per chicken. No roosters will be allowed.

why do they always have to find a way to get their filthy grubby hands on your money in the process. What is the purpose of them getting money from you for your chickens.
Just like the people who want to legalize marijuana and TAX it. Gee, just think of the revenue we could get...
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: mutti on January 06, 2012, 08:30:20 am
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Households that want to keep chickens will be required to pay $15, plus an annual fee of $10 per chicken. No roosters will be allowed.

why do they always have to find a way to get their filthy grubby hands on your money in the process. What is the purpose of them getting money from you for your chickens.
Just like the people who want to legalize marijuana and TAX it. Gee, just think of the revenue we could get...

As a general comment, because they can.
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We recently went to bat for a neighbor (I love how in Illinois a neighbor can live 20 miles away and still be your neighbor) who has lived in the same home for 28 years. 1.25 acre lot backed up to a huge farm field in an Unincorporated Township. It's one of those "blink" as you drive through and you'll miss it places.

He's raised a variety of critters from pigs to chickens there with no problem. His across the way neighbor (of 18 years) decided she didn't like the fact that he has Chickens. I'll not go into all the back and forth about the entire issue, but basically he's spent the past 10 months attempting to fight city hall to keep his chickens.

ND and I got involved for several reasons. First, he's a neighbor. Second, there is no clarity in the Zoning law. Third, this affects about 1,000 households that fall into the gray area of "that which is not allowed is forbidden".

The neighbor has gone through several steps: Attempting to have his property re-zoned (denied), attempting to change the wording to the Zoning Law (denied), and finally applied for a special use permit ($35) which we supported through various meetings. ND introduced an Accessory Use text amendment which would have fixed the issue (without the entire "Fee" application per year) and that was shot down at the last meeting. (County Land Use Board)

While I'm happy to report that last night our Neighbor did have his Special Use permit approved for in his particular case chickens (number attached 100), he'll have to reapply for permission next year - after paying the fee of course.

That is not something we intend to let stand. So - it'll be off to the next meeting as we re-introduce the concept of people owning Farm Animals on their Rural Residential property without needing the approval of local .gov and application of a Fee.
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What was really sad was watching in a different case as land owners backed down before the pressure of their "Neighbors" because they didn't do/raise their critters in the "acceptable manner". The spurious nature of information that was provided as "proof" of a future action that might cause issues was fully accepted as fact. How can that be?

Complaints such as "That loafing shed was built too close to so-and-so's property." The Officials said "Well - That does look too close." - while reviewing a google view map provided by the offended person. When the land owner in question said that he had applied for and received a permit to build there - then they reviewed the set back information and found he was in compliance.  "There is no grass in the field for the Horses" was also accepted - even as one must realize that it's winter and the land owner is providing round bales in feeders with no detriment to the critters. 

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Makes me wonder sometimes about the sanity of our world. Then again, I've never claimed sanity as one of my strong points  ^_^.






Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Bear on January 06, 2012, 10:35:46 am
Mutti,

When someone brings an action against someone else like the nosy neighbor did,
is there any recourse after you've proven their allegations are without merit? It
seems that their ought to be some sort of push back for wasting everybody's time.

Bear
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: mutti on January 06, 2012, 11:16:12 am
Mutti,

When someone brings an action against someone else like the nosy neighbor did,
is there any recourse after you've proven their allegations are without merit? It
seems that their ought to be some sort of push back for wasting everybody's time.
Bear

In this case no. The Neighbor who had the charges leveled against them was in violation of an Ordinance that is only enforced if someone complains. That is why we tried so hard to get the Ordinance changed. In fact, even though the "Special Permit" was granted, the penalties (fees) against the charged person will still go forward. In some ways that is disheartening because there is no way to regulate items such as "offending odor", etc.  thereby leaving the situation open to selective enforcement.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Moonbeam on January 06, 2012, 04:55:41 pm
Y'all are good neighbors, MUTTI  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: mutti on January 06, 2012, 05:09:09 pm
Y'all are good neighbors, MUTTI  :thumbsup:

Thanks! Somebody once said something like "In order to have good Neighbors you have to be a good Neighbor." I'm sure there are always exceptions to every rule, but we will try where we can!

Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Rarick on January 08, 2012, 03:19:55 pm
Sounds like a neighbor needs a cold shoulder argument......... 
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: FDD on December 23, 2015, 08:35:51 pm
Round Lake Beach, ILL-------No

No farm type animals at all with in city limits 
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 13, 2016, 06:19:10 pm
Round Lake Beach, ILL-------No

No farm type animals at all with in city limits

Its actually the same in NE Wyoming, too.  Cop went and forced locals in a town of 1000 ppl to dispose of lambs.  I heard of it through churchies (just because I disagree with Clip's sophist tricks and with the knowledge as belief claims, doesn't mean I don't have faith in certain things or that I don't approve of Christianity.  Post renaissance Christianity has been domesticated and has lost much of its Islam style barbarity and anti science philosophy.)

As for the animals, if you want animals, you HAVE to live in the country.  Its impossible to have animals in most big cities and it makes some semblance of sense with sky rises and bigger cities.  With high population density come people with shitty immune systems, high levels of distress, low levels of eustress and miserable hygiene.  Just imagine the devastation one guy with a communicable animal borne disease will wreak passing through a town.  If you're alone on your farm, hell, if you get sick, you might even get treated (or corpsey) before you make many others sick.  With room come the natural borders which kept infections from wiping out entire continents.  I love some things about big cities, and I hate some things about them.  The gun restrictions in big cities make little sense, since I rarely feel unsafe in my new hometown, (though hiking I regularly find cougar tracks when its wet, so I bring a gun or two and a dog, and I'm on my A game) while in a big city, well alertness is only great if you're Batman or a superhero.

Ideally, had I the cash, I'd keep a home in some big city, and one in rural Wyoming and an airstrip so I could fly in and avoid the highway and government road pirates. :P  (When I said I'm multi talented, I'm not joking.  I just don't have the cash to have as many licenses as I have skills.  I have yet to fly a supersonic or airliner though.  I didn't get married though, and this makes a huge difference.  Kids and wife means lots of headaches a single man with animals and layered security watching his properties just doesn't have.)
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Cherokee on June 13, 2016, 09:42:13 pm
North Carolina passed a law last year requiring all chickens to be registered. I'm not kidding.  They said it is necessary to combat avian flu.
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Lonewolf72 on July 27, 2016, 11:57:40 pm
North Carolina passed a law last year requiring all chickens to be registered. I'm not kidding.  They said it is necessary to combat avian flu.


How many people actually follow it?
Title: Re: Does My City Allow Me to Raise Chickens?
Post by: Cherokee on July 28, 2016, 01:03:40 am
North Carolina passed a law last year requiring all chickens to be registered. I'm not kidding.  They said it is necessary to combat avian flu.


How many people actually follow it?

I really don't know. I'll ask my niece if they registered theirs. Can't think of anyone else I know personally who has chickens. I had plans to have chickens when I get my off grid property. If I'm not asked to do paperwork when I obtain chickens, they won't be registered.