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Title: Gun Manuals
Post by: sharp_shepherd on November 10, 2008, 03:53:00 pm
Here is a great site where i was able to download all of my long lost gun manuals.  I'd adivise that a moderator pin this one up toward the top.
Don't forget to donate if you can.

http://www.stevespages.com/page7b.htm
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Bill St. Clair on November 10, 2008, 04:19:32 pm
Incredible resource. And he has a lot more than owner's manuals.

http://stevespages.com/page7.htm

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Illustrated Parts Breakdown Page

Owners' Manuals (PDF Files, Adobe Required)

U.S. Army Field Manuals

Archival Books (Firearms and Reloading)

Magazines & Articles

Downloadable Catalogs

All Kinds Of Other Interesting Stuff

Plus lots of information on reloading: http://stevespages.com/page8.htm
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Junker on November 11, 2008, 04:28:30 am
Here is a great site where i was able to download all of my long lost gun manuals.  I'd adivise that a moderator pin this one up toward the top.
Don't forget to donate if you can.

http://www.stevespages.com/page7b.htm


Don't forget to donate if you can?

Yup. Did. Good place.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on November 11, 2008, 01:41:29 pm
Here is a great site where i was able to download all of my long lost gun manuals.  I'd adivise that a moderator pin this one up toward the top.
Don't forget to donate if you can.

http://www.stevespages.com/page7b.htm

Shepherd:

I suggested Stevespages to the Guns and reference info administrator about 2-3 weeks ago but it has not been added to that resource list. This is a deep and useful site.

DS
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Basil Fishbone on January 13, 2009, 11:40:02 pm
I was going to check it out, and got this:

Quote
NOT HERE ANYMORE!

The page you are looking for has been taken off-line.

The reason being that some of the greedy, miserable, selfish, unthinking, and useless bastards in the world decided it would be okay to download EVERYTHING available on this page.

Therefore; I have decided that I will take the appropriate action ...

IT HAS BEEN REMOVED!
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 14, 2009, 11:55:34 am
I was going to check it out, and got this:

Quote
NOT HERE ANYMORE!

The page you are looking for has been taken off-line.

The reason being that some of the greedy, miserable, selfish, unthinking, and useless bastards in the world decided it would be okay to download EVERYTHING available on this page.

Therefore; I have decided that I will take the appropriate action ...

IT HAS BEEN REMOVED!

Basil:

I suppose he got concerned about people taking everything off of his site whether they needed it or not. He must have put thousands of hours in the page he removed. He had manuals for every gun I could imagine. All scanned. He had about 6 1911 versions up on that page. I downloaded one for every one of my guns except the fn 5.7 which wasn't there.

Really sad but it was his work he removed.


Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 15, 2009, 04:30:21 pm
Quote
The reason being that some of the greedy, miserable, selfish, unthinking, and useless bastards in the world decided it would be okay to download EVERYTHING available on this page.

Maybe some people downloaded everything just in case the site ever got taken offline. :doh:
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 15, 2009, 04:46:40 pm
Oh darn! Just found this thread today.

Wonder why he put everything on line and did so much work on it if he didn't want people to download them? Why make them down loadable, especially free,if he needed to make money off it? Why not charge something up front. Makes no sense to just take it down.

Oh well, back to looking for the book on my old German gun...
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Apple on January 17, 2009, 06:16:59 am
Wonder why he put everything on line and did so much work on it if he didn't want people to download them? Why make them down loadable, especially free,if he needed to make money off it? Why not charge something up front. Makes no sense to just take it down.

It goes something like this:


From: ISP
To: Customer
Subject: Data limit exceeded

Dear Customer,

Your website has transferred 50 GB of data this month. However, you only paid for 2 GB. Since you didn't reserve bandwidth in advance, penalty rates apply. Please pay $500 within 2 weeks, or suffer the consequences.

With kind regards,
Your ISP

[/list]

In other words, his site became slightly more popular than he anticipated, and he didn't want to figure out how (or it didn't occur to him) to make it a pay site, so he just took it down.

One solution to the bandwith problem would be to make it available via Bittorrent.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 17, 2009, 06:39:48 am
Ouch! Too much of a good thing... or, success isn't always what it's cracked up to be. That's a shame. It is too bad he didn't get some help to make it a pay site somehow, as it sounds like it would still be a winner. No way to contact him? 
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Apple on January 17, 2009, 07:14:17 am
Ouch! Too much of a good thing... or, success isn't always what it's cracked up to be. That's a shame. It is too bad he didn't get some help to make it a pay site somehow, as it sounds like it would still be a winner.

Yeah, it's a shame when trying to do some good backfires like that.

No way to contact him?

http://stevespages.com/page9.htm

Edit: I hadn't actually visited that site before, but since he has "donate" buttons everywhere, I'm guessing that his ethics are not compatible with a pay site, and he wants to leave it to his visitors' honesty whether and how much to pay for value received.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 19, 2009, 08:30:24 am

Edit: I hadn't actually visited that site before, but since he has "donate" buttons everywhere, I'm guessing that his ethics are not compatible with a pay site, and he wants to leave it to his visitors' honesty whether and how much to pay for value received.

That's grand, but can become a problem when the ideal butts head with the budget. Don't know how it has anything to do with ethics, however. Nothing unethical about asking for or insisting on honest value for value. You can give stuff away or leave it up to "honor" payments only if you have enough resources to risk. Looks like he ran out of resources.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 19, 2009, 05:49:41 pm
Oh darn! Just found this thread today.

Wonder why he put everything on line and did so much work on it if he didn't want people to download them? Why make them down loadable, especially free,if he needed to make money off it? Why not charge something up front. Makes no sense to just take it down.

Oh well, back to looking for the book on my old German gun...

ML:

For which German gun are you looking for a manual?

DS
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on January 19, 2009, 08:26:45 pm

Drat ....

I was only able to save the url as a bookmark so I could come back later ....

Sigh ....

Has anybody looked for it on the Wayback Machine yet ?
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on January 19, 2009, 10:06:09 pm

I just went over and sent in a donation .
While I was there I sent him a short email asking IF I could download copies of the manuals for my rifles.
I only have three so it's not like I need "Everything".
I don't have any manuals for my three so I do hope he will send them to me.

SOoo ....  We should know soon whether the gooch-work-around [patent pending ....] , commonly called "bartering", is at all effective with this fellow.

{fingers crossed ....}
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 19, 2009, 10:29:23 pm

I just went over and sent in a donation .
While I was there I sent him a short email asking IF I could download copies of the manuals for my rifles.
I only have three so it's not like I need "Everything".
I don't have any manuals for my three so I do hope he will send them to me.

SOoo ....  We should know soon whether the gooch-work-around [patent pending ....] , commonly called "bartering", is at all effective with this fellow.

{fingers crossed ....}

Which manuals do you need Gooch?

DS
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on January 19, 2009, 10:52:57 pm

Since you ask ....   :rolleyes:

Winchester "Ranger" 30-30     [ a 94 clone kinda ....]
M1 Carbine                            [not sure of the manufacturer .... I could go look .... is it important ?]
Remington 572                      [pump .22lr  which really wants its own set of Tech Sights (tm)]

I have picked up some stuff and one of them is a couple of manuals from the Army on the M1 Carbine.{bapbui}
TB 23-7-1 Ordnance Field Service Technical Bulletin march 17, 1942
TM 9-1276    Nov 1952 with corrections to Feb 1953   [appears to be a shop manual for rebuilding the thing a gunsmiths level thing] 

SOoo .... I may not need a manual for the M1 carbine. {bapbui}

The Winchester and the Remington on the other hand ....
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 19, 2009, 11:04:40 pm

Since you ask ....   :rolleyes:

Winchester "Ranger" 30-30     [ a 94 clone kinda ....]
M1 Carbine                            [not sure of the manufacturer .... I could go look .... is it important ?]
Remington 572                      [pump .22lr  which really wants its own set of Tech Sights (tm)]

I have picked up some stuff and one of them is a couple of manuals from the Army on the M1 Carbine.{bapbui}
TB 23-7-1 Ordnance Field Service Technical Bulletin march 17, 1942
TM 9-1276    Nov 1952 with corrections to Feb 1953   [appears to be a shop manual for rebuilding the thing a gunsmiths level thing] 

SOoo .... I may not need a manual for the M1 carbine. {bapbui}

The Winchester and the Remington on the other hand ....

Gooch:

Sorry, I do not have them. I will post my list of manuals either tomorrow or the next day. Maybe we here can develop an availability list and share them with others that need them. Just a thought...

DS
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on January 19, 2009, 11:18:19 pm

Since you ask ....   :rolleyes:

Winchester "Ranger" 30-30     [ a 94 clone kinda ....]
M1 Carbine                            [not sure of the manufacturer .... I could go look .... is it important ?]
Remington 572                      [pump .22lr  which really wants its own set of Tech Sights (tm)]

I have picked up some stuff and one of them is a couple of manuals from the Army on the M1 Carbine.{bapbui}
TB 23-7-1 Ordnance Field Service Technical Bulletin march 17, 1942
TM 9-1276    Nov 1952 with corrections to Feb 1953   [appears to be a shop manual for rebuilding the thing a gunsmiths level thing] 

SOoo .... I may not need a manual for the M1 carbine. {bapbui}

The Winchester and the Remington on the other hand ....

Gooch:

Sorry, I do not have them. I will post my list of manuals either tomorrow or the next day. Maybe we here can develop an availability list and share them with others that need them. Just a thought...

DS
And a good one IMO.
You Might want to give Junker a holler and see about putting them in/on the wolfewiki ?
He has a list of lists or sommat going on over there ....
That AND a sticky thread on manuals available would be a good thing methinks.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 19, 2009, 11:24:23 pm

Since you ask ....   :rolleyes:

Winchester "Ranger" 30-30     [ a 94 clone kinda ....]
M1 Carbine                            [not sure of the manufacturer .... I could go look .... is it important ?]
Remington 572                      [pump .22lr  which really wants its own set of Tech Sights (tm)]

I have picked up some stuff and one of them is a couple of manuals from the Army on the M1 Carbine.{bapbui}
TB 23-7-1 Ordnance Field Service Technical Bulletin march 17, 1942
TM 9-1276    Nov 1952 with corrections to Feb 1953   [appears to be a shop manual for rebuilding the thing a gunsmiths level thing] 

SOoo .... I may not need a manual for the M1 carbine. {bapbui}

The Winchester and the Remington on the other hand ....

Gooch:

Sorry, I do not have them. I will post my list of manuals either tomorrow or the next day. Maybe we here can develop an availability list and share them with others that need them. Just a thought...

DS
And a good one IMO.
You Might want to give Junker a holler and see about putting them in/on the wolfewiki ?
He has a list of lists or sommat going on over there ....
That AND a sticky thread on manuals available would be a good thing methinks.


Will do. My manuals are spread across a couple of computers but updated the one in my office recently so I will look at that one to post. I'll jingle Junker.

DS


Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on January 20, 2009, 01:11:30 am
Gooch,

I've got the military M1 carbine manual here in a .pdf file if you need it

(edited in)

The ranger is just a 94 with cheap wood or plastic so any 94 manual will work as long as it's the same design meaning the old style top eject or the new style angle eject.......which are not the same
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 20, 2009, 05:27:58 am
The "German gun" is a ROHM GMRH SONTHEIM/BRZ  model 86  .22 caliber single shot revolver

I understand it was made in Brazil, but all those other words sound German to me, so that's what I call it because Rohm Gmrk Sontheim is a big mouthful. :)

It is the first one all my students shoot, so it gets a lot of use. I swab out the bore and clean what I can reach when the cylinder is removed, but I don't know if it needs any deeper cleaning or not.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 20, 2009, 07:27:40 am
The "German gun" is a ROHM GMRH SONTHEIM/BRZ  model 86  .22 caliber single shot revolver

I understand it was made in Brazil, but all those other words sound German to me, so that's what I call it because Rohm Gmrk Sontheim is a big mouthful. :)

It is the first one all my students shoot, so it gets a lot of use. I swab out the bore and clean what I can reach when the cylinder is removed, but I don't know if it needs any deeper cleaning or not.

I think it is known as a "RG 86". I do not have that manual, pretty exotic.

Try this link.

Sorry.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=PDF6017


Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 20, 2009, 07:59:37 am

Since you ask ....   :rolleyes:

Winchester "Ranger" 30-30     [ a 94 clone kinda ....]
M1 Carbine                            [not sure of the manufacturer .... I could go look .... is it important ?]
Remington 572                      [pump .22lr  which really wants its own set of Tech Sights (tm)]

I have picked up some stuff and one of them is a couple of manuals from the Army on the M1 Carbine.{bapbui}
TB 23-7-1 Ordnance Field Service Technical Bulletin march 17, 1942
TM 9-1276    Nov 1952 with corrections to Feb 1953   [appears to be a shop manual for rebuilding the thing a gunsmiths level thing] 

SOoo .... I may not need a manual for the M1 carbine. {bapbui}

The Winchester and the Remington on the other hand ....

Gooch:

Try here:

http://gunmanuals.net/Manuals/Winchester_94.pdf

and here:

http://gunmanuals.net/gun-manuals-w-z

and here:

http://gunmanuals.net/Manuals/remington_572.pdf

And herer:

http://gunmanuals.net/Manuals/remington_572.pdf

The M-1 is 15 meg and takes time.

Hope this helps.

DS


Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 20, 2009, 08:31:12 am
I think it is known as a "RG 86". I do not have that manual, pretty exotic.

No problem! Yes, I suspect it is a very unusual gun. I'll check out the link. Thanks!
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on January 20, 2009, 09:37:18 am

Got this this morning from steve at stevespages dot com:

At 08:16 PM 1/19/2009, you wrote:
>Howdy Steve,
>
>I had found your website a month or so back and put
>your manuals page up as a bookmark.
>When I came back to see IF you had my rifles manuals
>the page was down.
>Sorry you got hit by a "looter".
>Is there any way that I can get, if you have them,
>the manuals for my three rifles ?
>Can you send them as pdf's ?


Sorry, I don't email manuals ... but if you check back every week or
so, you might be surprised and find the manuals back online.

===============================

SOoo .... there ya go.

That was IT.   No clue as to when he will put them back If he does ....

[Truth in Posting Disclaimer:  I did send him a small donation in an effort to "color" his response  :rolleyes:  however given my "Brokeness" there wasn't much color to be seen ....]
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on January 20, 2009, 09:56:12 am
HollywoodGold

Thanks for the manuals links It looks like I will be busy for a while downloading and printing.

:thumbsup:


ML,
 I have an RG myself.  Mine is the model 66 single action six shot revolver .22lr.
Nothing fancy BUT it does throw lead.

:thumbsup:

I would like to replace the grips but haven't found anyone who carries them.
What I have is the cheapo plastic grips with a right handed thumb rest.
What I would like to have is cheapo plastic* grip without any thumb rest.
[ * They don't HAVE to be cheapo plastic BUT that is what I can afford  at present.]

Anybody have a link, address or phone for RG parts, accessories and supplies ?
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 20, 2009, 10:25:13 am
HollywoodGold
 I have an RG myself.  Mine is the model 66 single action six shot revolver .22lr.
Nothing fancy BUT it does throw lead.

I would like to replace the grips but haven't found anyone who carries them.
What I have is the cheapo plastic grips with a right handed thumb rest.
What I would like to have is cheapo plastic* grip without any thumb rest.
[ * They don't HAVE to be cheapo plastic BUT that is what I can afford  at present.]

Anybody have a link, address or phone for RG parts, accessories and supplies ?

The grips on mine are a beautiful and obviously old hardwood, well kept. No thumb rest at all.

I don't know why you couldn't use the plastic grips as a pattern and carve some nice wooden ones yourself. Couldn't hurt to try! Or maybe there is someone here at TMM with that talent who would trade for something you can do?
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on January 20, 2009, 03:49:00 pm
HollywoodGold
 I have an RG myself.  Mine is the model 66 single action six shot revolver .22lr.
Nothing fancy BUT it does throw lead.

I would like to replace the grips but haven't found anyone who carries them.
What I have is the cheapo plastic grips with a right handed thumb rest.
What I would like to have is cheapo plastic* grip without any thumb rest.
[ * They don't HAVE to be cheapo plastic BUT that is what I can afford  at present.]

Anybody have a link, address or phone for RG parts, accessories and supplies ?

The grips on mine are a beautiful and obviously old hardwood, well kept. No thumb rest at all.

I don't know why you couldn't use the plastic grips as a pattern and carve some nice wooden ones yourself. Couldn't hurt to try! Or maybe there is someone here at TMM with that talent who would trade for something you can do?

Good Idea.  :thumbsup:

I can make wood do lots of things but carving it I have never learned.
I do have some exotic wood scraps mayhap I will give it a try.

Cheers,

g
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 20, 2009, 04:14:13 pm
HollywoodGold
 I have an RG myself.  Mine is the model 66 single action six shot revolver .22lr.
Nothing fancy BUT it does throw lead.

I would like to replace the grips but haven't found anyone who carries them.
What I have is the cheapo plastic grips with a right handed thumb rest.
What I would like to have is cheapo plastic* grip without any thumb rest.
[ * They don't HAVE to be cheapo plastic BUT that is what I can afford  at present.]

Anybody have a link, address or phone for RG parts, accessories and supplies ?

The grips on mine are a beautiful and obviously old hardwood, well kept. No thumb rest at all.

I don't know why you couldn't use the plastic grips as a pattern and carve some nice wooden ones yourself. Couldn't hurt to try! Or maybe there is someone here at TMM with that talent who would trade for something you can do?

Gooch:

If a few bucks can be worked try here:

http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=204450&MC=

and here:

http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=1141920&MC=

DS
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on January 20, 2009, 06:24:07 pm
HollywoodGold
 I have an RG myself.  Mine is the model 66 single action six shot revolver .22lr.
Nothing fancy BUT it does throw lead.

I would like to replace the grips but haven't found anyone who carries them.
What I have is the cheapo plastic grips with a right handed thumb rest.
What I would like to have is cheapo plastic* grip without any thumb rest.
[ * They don't HAVE to be cheapo plastic BUT that is what I can afford  at present.]

Anybody have a link, address or phone for RG parts, accessories and supplies ?

The grips on mine are a beautiful and obviously old hardwood, well kept. No thumb rest at all.

I don't know why you couldn't use the plastic grips as a pattern and carve some nice wooden ones yourself. Couldn't hurt to try! Or maybe there is someone here at TMM with that talent who would trade for something you can do?

Gooch:

If a few bucks can be worked try here:

http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=204450&MC=

and here:

http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=1141920&MC=

DS

Thanks DS

I "looked" at those [only there aren't any photos] and I don't much like to buy what I haven't even seen a photo of you know ?

'Sides .... I am kinda gettin het up about actually makin my own. [Thanks ML ...]
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on January 20, 2009, 06:39:57 pm
Well you could always put some thin plastc plates in place of the grips, and then put some bondo over them and grip the pistol......and make a set of perfectly custom fitted grips in a matter of a few minutes.....just make sure you don't have the screws in when you put the bondo on.. :laugh:
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: dal0018 on January 28, 2009, 10:18:28 am
I have a shot gun and I am looking for a manual but I can not find it anywhere.
12ga semi auto shot gun
S.p.A Luigi Franchi Brescia
Made in Italy
The only number I can find on it is B05743
I think it is about 40 years old but I don't really know.

Thank you
David
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on January 28, 2009, 09:27:57 pm
I have a shot gun and I am looking for a manual but I can not find it anywhere.
12ga semi auto shot gun
S.p.A Luigi Franchi Brescia
Made in Italy
The only number I can find on it is B05743
I think it is about 40 years old but I don't really know.

Thank you
David

David:

Any of these help?

http://gunmanuals.net/Manuals/franchi_law12.pdf

http://gunmanuals.net/Manuals/franchi_spas12.pdf

BR/DS


Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Who...me? on March 22, 2009, 05:38:40 pm
hey folks I have this older catalog from The Gun Parts Corp.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

They have parts for all kinds of odd things as well as schematic drawings and parts lists of a whole bunch of guns.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: gaurdduck on June 02, 2009, 12:05:09 am
Anyone know where I can get a Manual to build a Marlin, Glenfield 50, 12 GA shotgun?
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Clip Johnson on August 22, 2009, 05:14:16 pm
Very good to see that "Steve's Pages" is back up and running. For the awesome service to us all that he renders, I personally feel it is absolutely warranted for a large number of folks to visit his site and make a generous donation to so as to help keep him up and running. I know I have and will do so again.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on August 22, 2009, 06:22:45 pm
Very good to see that "Steve's Pages" is back up and running. For the awesome service to us all that he renders, I personally feel it is absolutely warranted for a large number of folks to visit his site and make a generous donation to so as to help keep him up and running. I know I have and will do so again.

Just a thought.

Clip:

I saw it was up, but I couldn't find the gun manuals. Here's where I got to:

http://www.stevespages.com/page7c.htm

But I could not find the manuals. Smetimes my Mac browser fails but I don't think so this time.

Can you link me to teh gun manual page(s) or are they not there anymore?

Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on August 22, 2009, 06:30:34 pm
Welcome Clip Johnson,

Yes indeedy ....
I have missed Steve's Pages and am glad to see it back.

For those that are interested here is his Link (http://stevespages.com/page7.htm) and do keep in mind that he does this as a service and Your donations provide him the necessities to keep providing that service.

He has LOTS of manuals BUT he requests that you only take what you need so that others can share the bandwidth.

There was an  A$$Hat that came in last year and tried to download the entire page as a "lump" and it shut down his server.  And ticked him off as the jerk hadn't even offered to support him with even so much as a dime.  So he shut down the manuals page for a long period of time. I'm glad its back.

Thank him and support him IF you can.  Also he is looking for any manuals that you have that he doesn't have on his board.

Thanks for the heads up Clip Johnson.


They are back Hwg they are page 7b so just modify your link spelling and    Ta Da (http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm)
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on August 22, 2009, 06:43:05 pm
Welcome Clip Johnson,

Yes indeedy ....
I have missed Steve's Pages and am glad to see it back.

For those that are interested here is his Link (http://stevespages.com/page7.htm) and do keep in mind that he does this as a service and Your donations provide him the necessities to keep providing that service.

He has LOTS of manuals BUT he requests that you only take what you need so that others can share the bandwidth.

There was an  A$$Hat that came in last year and tried to download the entire page as a "lump" and it shut down his server.  And ticked him off as the jerk hadn't even offered to support him with even so much as a dime.  So he shut down the manuals page for a long period of time. I'm glad its back.

Thank him and support him IF you can.  Also he is looking for any manuals that you have that he doesn't have on his board.

Thanks for the heads up Clip Johnson.


They are back Hwg they are page 7b so just modify your link spelling and    Ta Da (http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm)

Thanks Gooch. I trust you downloaded a M44 manual...
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Clip Johnson on August 22, 2009, 07:02:41 pm
Thanks for the welcome Gooch. I must say there is a lot of great stuff (not to mention great people) here on this site and hopefully I will be able to absorb a few helpful tidbits along the way. I can assure you that I have much to learn and a long way to go to get to the level I should have already been at. But hind sight is 20/20.

And sorry Hollywood that I just saw your inquiry, but I see Gooch was able to answer.

Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on August 22, 2009, 07:26:43 pm
Clip:

He was and no problem, just helping and he did. I used the search function and tried "gun", "Manual", "Mosin", "mauser" and got zip. Leave it to a sabbie to get to the bottom of it.

I used Steve's pages for some time and was sorry to see him shut down/turn off. I am very glad to see him back.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Clip Johnson on August 22, 2009, 07:35:00 pm
Clip:

He was and no problem, just helping and he did. I used the search function and tried "gun", "Manual", "Mosin", "mauser" and got zip. Leave it to a sabbie to get to the bottom of it.

I used Steve's pages for some time and was sorry to see him shut down/turn off. I am very glad to see him back.

Yeah, I have to agree... What a great site he has there and it certainly would be a horrible service to lose for us "inquiring minds".
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on August 22, 2009, 08:13:48 pm
Welcome Clip Johnson,

Yes indeedy ....
I have missed Steve's Pages and am glad to see it back.

For those that are interested here is his Link (http://stevespages.com/page7.htm) and do keep in mind that he does this as a service and Your donations provide him the necessities to keep providing that service.

He has LOTS of manuals BUT he requests that you only take what you need so that others can share the bandwidth.

There was an  A$$Hat that came in last year and tried to download the entire page as a "lump" and it shut down his server.  And ticked him off as the jerk hadn't even offered to support him with even so much as a dime.  So he shut down the manuals page for a long period of time. I'm glad its back.

Thank him and support him IF you can.  Also he is looking for any manuals that you have that he doesn't have on his board.

Thanks for the heads up Clip Johnson.


They are back Hwg they are page 7b so just modify your link spelling and    Ta Da (http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm)

Thanks Gooch. I trust you downloaded a M44 manual...

Well I did get the Mosin Nagant Manual BUT I didn't find one for the M44 specifically.  IF you find one  :rolleyes:  ... Steve and I both would love copies.

Thanks for the welcome Gooch. I must say there is a lot of great stuff (not to mention great people) here on this site and hopefully I will be able to absorb a few helpful tidbits along the way. I can assure you that I have much to learn and a long way to go to get to the level I should have already been at. But hind sight is 20/20.

And sorry Hollywood that I just saw your inquiry, but I see Gooch was able to answer.



You're welcome and I do try to be helpful when I can. 
[I must be working off some whew buddy kinda karma from a past life or something ...]

gooch
[with the proboscis giganticus]

Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on August 22, 2009, 08:27:41 pm
Welcome Clip Johnson,

Yes indeedy ....
I have missed Steve's Pages and am glad to see it back.

For those that are interested here is his Link (http://stevespages.com/page7.htm) and do keep in mind that he does this as a service and Your donations provide him the necessities to keep providing that service.

He has LOTS of manuals BUT he requests that you only take what you need so that others can share the bandwidth.

There was an  A$$Hat that came in last year and tried to download the entire page as a "lump" and it shut down his server.  And ticked him off as the jerk hadn't even offered to support him with even so much as a dime.  So he shut down the manuals page for a long period of time. I'm glad its back.

Thank him and support him IF you can.  Also he is looking for any manuals that you have that he doesn't have on his board.

Thanks for the heads up Clip Johnson.


They are back Hwg they are page 7b so just modify your link spelling and    Ta Da (http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm)

Thanks Gooch. I trust you downloaded a M44 manual...

Well I did get the Mosin Nagant Manual BUT I didn't find one for the M44 specifically.  IF you find one  :rolleyes:  ... Steve and I both would love copies.

Thanks for the welcome Gooch. I must say there is a lot of great stuff (not to mention great people) here on this site and hopefully I will be able to absorb a few helpful tidbits along the way. I can assure you that I have much to learn and a long way to go to get to the level I should have already been at. But hind sight is 20/20.

And sorry Hollywood that I just saw your inquiry, but I see Gooch was able to answer.



You're welcome and I do try to be helpful when I can. 
[I must be working off some whew buddy kinda karma from a past life or something ...]

gooch
[with the proboscis giganticus]



Gooch: The Mosin manual I downloaded said it included "Carbines".

Does that cover the M44?

Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on August 22, 2009, 10:52:07 pm
Quote
quote HWG

"Gooch: The Mosin manual I downloaded said it included "Carbines".

Does that cover the M44?"

I am thinking that it does Hwg.

These are the second chapter headings from it:
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 II.   DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODELS

                 Rifle M1891
                 Dragoon rifle M1891   
                 Carbine M1910
                 Rifle M1891/30
                 Sniper rifle M1891/30
                 Carbine M1938
===>>>   Carbine M1944    <<<<====
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I haven't read it yet but I am hopeful that it is the manual for my M44.
I think it is.

I was going to get the M1 Carbine manual BUT it is 18 MB's and it is too late for that now.
Tomorrow maybe.


SO ...

Just what was it that the sabbie got to the bottom of I wonder ?

Clip:

He was and no problem, just helping and he did. I used the search function and tried "gun", "Manual", "Mosin", "mauser" and got zip. Leave it to a sabbie to get to the bottom of it.

I used Steve's pages for some time and was sorry to see him shut down/turn off. I am very glad to see him back.

 :rolleyes:   
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Hollywoodgold on August 25, 2009, 02:44:39 pm
Quote
quote HWG

"Gooch: The Mosin manual I downloaded said it included "Carbines".

Does that cover the M44?"

I am thinking that it does Hwg.

These are the second chapter headings from it:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 II.   DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODELS

                 Rifle M1891
                 Dragoon rifle M1891   
                 Carbine M1910
                 Rifle M1891/30
                 Sniper rifle M1891/30
                 Carbine M1938
===>>>   Carbine M1944    <<<<====
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I haven't read it yet but I am hopeful that it is the manual for my M44.
I think it is.

I was going to get the M1 Carbine manual BUT it is 18 MB's and it is too late for that now.
Tomorrow maybe.


SO ...

Just what was it that the sabbie got to the bottom of I wonder ?

Clip:

He was and no problem, just helping and he did. I used the search function and tried "gun", "Manual", "Mosin", "mauser" and got zip. Leave it to a sabbie to get to the bottom of it.

I used Steve's pages for some time and was sorry to see him shut down/turn off. I am very glad to see him back.

 :rolleyes:   

Gooch:

I couldn't find the corrosive discussion so I'll post a response here. It is from my research library. By the way, my 54R supplier swears by spraying the works with windex at the range then a normal clean when return to base. He has shot thousands of corrosive.

Quote
Years ago I called and spoke with a chemist at the company that supplies Ace Hardware brand Janitor Strength Ammonia. It is a 10% solution, nominally. He told me that they often add small amounts of ammonia to steel drums filled with water to prevent rusting in the drum. But that was a tiny amount, and probably just enough to bias the pH slightly above 7.

The 10% solution is right on the borderline for etching steel. Back about 1990, I had a .308 Redding FL sizing die I'd got a case stuck in and that the head tore out of when I tried using an extractor. I set it in the 10% ammonia solution in a glass jar to eat out the brass. It took about three months. After that time, the surface of the die looked gray. It was clearly micro-etched and activated, as it rapidly formed surface rust. I needed to polish it lightly, but it worked fine. There was not enough etching to change its dimensions measurably, even after three months.

I also spoke with the maker of Butch's Bore Shine a few years back. It's ammonia is not as concentrated as Sweet's, but it is still pretty strong. He told me they had put a bar of 4140 steel into a jar of Bore Shine for six months and inspected it for surface etching under a microscope afterward and found none. So it is either safely below the etching threshold, or its additives control it better. It is a good copper cleaner that I can recommend if an ammonia cleaner is how you want to go. I used it for a number of years with no problems. I have pretty much switched, now, to the Boretech Elimenator for metal fouling simply because it works faster and leaves a corrosion inhibitor behind when it dries, so, even though it is water base, you can leave it in a bore. I also use Gunzilla wherever carbon is the main problem, such as in shotguns or in detail cleaning. It is vegetable oil based. It is also one of the few cleaners I've ever seen actually soften carbon cake over night, such as you see on a Garand op-rod. Neither product is toxic nor do they leech oil out of your skin. Gunzilla leaves a thin, dry lubricating varnish-like surface behind. The military has apparently adopted it enthusiastically because that feature reduces malfunctions.

Sweet's, on the other hand, is what I had been using until I found surface rust in my M1A barrel one day, also in the early 90's. I don't know if that is because I'd failed to follow up with my usual patch of LPS-2 (Birchwood-Casey sheath is the same thing) or what? Some error of mine was clearly involved, as that was not normally a problem. So, Sweet's may be a tad too strong if it isn't removed. I also experimented with a lot of cleaners back then, so it is possible I mixed a couple by using one then the other in the bore when I should not have. I didn't keep records of that, and was kicking myself afterward when I tried to figure out what had happened? So, I can't blame Sweet's with any certainty.

You can take PDGXS's suggestion to follow up ammonia with a patch wet with hydrogen peroxide solution. That will drive off any remaining ammonia as gas, but it also supplies oxygen which will promote oxidation if there has been any surface etching. I think a better way to insure all the ammonia is gone is to use the black powder shooter's method of pouring boiling water down the bore to drive the stuff out. After that, flood it with WD-40 (Water Displacing formula number 40) to remove the water. Then remove the WD-40 with a couple of dry patches and finish with a patch wet with gun oil or the storage lube of your choice. WD-40 gets a bit tacky and attracts dust if you leave it on something.

If you discover you've got a bore that rusts easily, use Flitz on a patch or use JB bore compound or Remington Bore Cleaner or Iosso Bore Cleaner, or any of the slightly abrasive cleaners to polish it lightly. That will clear off the activated surface.
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Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on September 18, 2009, 09:45:34 pm
Well the site is back up I just visited it but am going to wait to download until I can pay something.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: Dealsmaker on October 26, 2009, 11:32:54 am
I am looking for some good manuals for sniper training and what you would say is a the best read to learn basic sniper tactics.  I am going to attend Front Sights percission rifle class in November.
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: ken1944 on December 27, 2011, 05:46:08 pm
great site i will check it out closer
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: scorpio on September 25, 2012, 02:17:26 pm
Sent in a manual today. Seams like the site is still going strong. :mellow:
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: da gooch on September 29, 2012, 08:29:03 am
Quote
quote HWG

"Gooch: The Mosin manual I downloaded said it included "Carbines".

Does that cover the M44?"

I am thinking that it does Hwg.

These are the second chapter headings from it:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 II.   DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODELS

<snip - snip>   (body of text snipped for brevity of response)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I haven't read it yet but I am hopeful that it is the manual for my M44.
I think it is.

I was going to get the M1 Carbine manual BUT it is 18 MB's and it is too late for that now.
Tomorrow maybe.


SO ...

Just what was it that the sabbie got to the bottom of I wonder ?

Clip:

He was and no problem, just helping and he did. I used the search function and tried "gun", "Manual", "Mosin", "mauser" and got zip. Leave it to a sabbie to get to the bottom of it.

I used Steve's pages for some time and was sorry to see him shut down/turn off. I am very glad to see him back.

 :rolleyes:   

Gooch:

I couldn't find the corrosive discussion so I'll post a response here. It is from my research library. By the way, my 54R supplier swears by spraying the works with windex at the range then a normal clean when return to base. He has shot thousands of corrosive.

Quote
Years ago I called and spoke with a chemist at the company that supplies Ace Hardware brand Janitor Strength Ammonia. It is a 10% solution, nominally. He told me that they often add small amounts of ammonia to steel drums filled with water to prevent rusting in the drum. But that was a tiny amount, and probably just enough to bias the pH slightly above 7.

<snip - snip>  (body of text snipped for brevity of response)

If you discover you've got a bore that rusts easily, use Flitz on a patch or use JB bore compound or Remington Bore Cleaner or Iosso Bore Cleaner, or any of the slightly abrasive cleaners to polish it lightly. That will clear off the activated surface.
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Thanks HWG

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. Things have been rather hectic hereabouts lately.
I do appreciate your research on this subject.
The corrosive ammo is much cheaper and as long as I can use it without damage to my rifle the "cheap stuff" may just be the way to go.

stay safe,

gooch
Title: Re: Gun Manuals
Post by: scorpio on October 29, 2012, 07:58:04 pm
Got my manual back, no problems, hope it helps someone. If you have been hesitant to send one in I hope this builds confidence. :mellow: