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Title: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Elias Alias on March 25, 2009, 12:45:01 pm
The original website for Oath-Keepers is here: http://www.oath-keepers.blogspot.com/

A new website for Oath-Keepers is being created as we speak, and may or may not feature a Forum on-site. In the meantime, I've received approval from the Administrators here at TMM to offer our assistance to Oath-Keepers by adding a new Forum here which will be devoted to messaging services for Oath-Keepers.

The idea for "Oath-Keepers" came from the brilliant mind of Stewart The Yalie - one of our own. It's genius is in its simplicity, in its legality, in its non-violent approach to justice and truth, and in its harking back to this nation's founding principles. And its genius is perhaps most brilliant in the fact that this simple little matter just asks all Military, LEOs, Veterans, and concerned citizens to honor their oaths to the U.S. Constitution. Just how valuable that one little thing is to our nation's future as a nation which protects the individual citizen's personal liberty is realized by the insanity just found in a new resolution, HR-1388, now in Congress, which, among other things, would change the Military and LEO "oath" from being an oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution to an oath to support and defend the President of the United States. Believe it or not, HR-1388 is now before our Congress.

So it is not quite timely to bring this issue to the public's awareness. Stewart The Yalie is on to something big here. I encourage each reader here to visit Stewart's Oath-Keepers website as linked above, and to stay tuned here as we announce the opening of the new Oath-Keepers web operation, and other developments. Questions? Click on my name beside this post to send me a private message. Thanks!

Salute!
And welcome aboard all Oath-Keepers!
Elias
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Klapton Isgod on March 25, 2009, 12:47:07 pm
Hooray!!!
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: MsSage on March 25, 2009, 01:21:17 pm
hope its not temporary. Great way to get more viewers.
Keep up the great work
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Elias Alias on March 25, 2009, 02:38:54 pm
hope its not temporary. Great way to get more viewers.
Keep up the great work

Good point, MsSage. I've posted in the General Discussion section, in the Oath-Keepers thread, about this. I want to assure you that the new Forum here for Oath-Keepers will not go away, even if Stewart includes a Forum on his new, upcoming website. So feel free to post away here, with certain knowledge that your posts will remain permanently as a part of TMM.

And I thank you for your support. Thanks for being here. :)

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: padre29 on March 25, 2009, 03:24:44 pm

A hat tip and a "thank you" for those who keep their word over the tides of the world, it is all you have so cherish it as one would cherish a winning lottery ticket.

Good show Elias A for offering a Bachelor's Quarters.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Stewart the Yalie on March 25, 2009, 04:46:38 pm
Elias,

Thank you so much for stepping up and starting this forum space for Oath Keepers.  Even if we end up with a forum on the formal site, once it is up, this is a great start.  And thanks for the whole TMM crew as well.

Follks, Elias is a combat veteran, a staunch patriot, a principled advocate for liberty, and a good man.  He is the real deal.  He will be playing a key roll in Oath Keepers from here forward (to whatever degree he has time for) and I am proud to have him onboard. 

Stewart Rhodes
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: CorbinKale on March 25, 2009, 05:24:06 pm
Thanks, Elias and Stewart!

This is a great idea, and I like it here, already.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Junker on March 25, 2009, 08:31:27 pm
Good thinking, Elias.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on March 25, 2009, 10:21:50 pm

Allow me to add my thanks too Elias.

gooch
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: BJ on March 25, 2009, 10:26:17 pm
Hi Elias,

I'm putting out a question regarding any additional information regarding talks between the white house and the DOD, specifically Gen. James Cartwright, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, regarding the change of the wording of the 'oath of allegiance-- specifically having soldiers pledge an allegiance to the office of the President versus the Constitution?  I am providing a link to the article which discusses this and would appreciate any response or possibly whether this is credible info or not.  Thanks very much.



http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama%E2%80%99s-hitler-oath.html



Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: mgundoc on March 25, 2009, 11:10:39 pm
LINE IN THE SAND
  To all, I say LOVE is the true power and that the OATH taken by so many is a pledge out of care for what is good and right in this land we call America!
   I myself do not wish for a fight and that I have called, emailed, pleaded, challenged to all concerned of their Responsibility and DUTY to the Oath for which they have pledged, from Police, Politicians, Soldiers (I am a Armorer), friends, family and all that are in positions to make a positive effect. Still the ones that are in positions of power will not do THE RIGHT THING or even the job we elected them to, by protecting our sovereign rights as citizens of this land & by promise of their oath to office,leaving us citizens with the last resort to ever come closer.
   I am just a man that loves his country and sadly I must now start preparing to defend this land I care so much about; not from some invading Foreign force but my very own ELECTED GOVERNMENT. This is a fight NONE of us should want but to all that have taken the Oath, REMEMBER this!!
Alot of good Men & Women have paid with their lives to keep this land free from the like's of what we now face and remember that the Man or Woman standing next to you could very well hold true to the Oath that they have taken and so go ahead and commit acts of unconstitutional aggression against the citizens and you just might get a little surprise from the REAL MEN & WOMEN that serve our land and so to the one's of honor, I SALUTE you and to the ones that dishonor their Oath, I pity you for when you hold your child, think about the world you are giving to that souls' future and what you may soon be dying for, like I probably will, (at least my death will be with honor)!   
                                                                 (WILL YOURS)
Sighed,
         A Vet of the US.NAVY-TWR,US.ARMY-91A,P.M.C-FOREIGN WEAPONS ARMORER(CURRENT)
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Who...me? on March 26, 2009, 12:28:07 am
Well said. If I may, I would like throw out a thought for soldiers, police and anyone else that may enable through force of arms what we all think is going to happen. One day when you aren't of any use to them, if you live that long, you will be the ones getting the shaft by your masters. You don't think that anything you are told or promised by them can be trusted...do you? Do you trust anybody that you know is a liar? I know folks that if thy told me the sky was blue I would walk outside to check. Don't trust them. Think it through, if they have proven to be untrustworthy then YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM!

One day you will be on the other side of the fence.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on March 26, 2009, 12:55:08 am
....oh, and good to hear from you this a.m. over the airwaves -- I needed all the help I could get.  Now, about that article, I'd appreciate any input from you all as to its credibility.
"Now, about that article, I'd appreciate any input from you all as to its credibility"

Not very is my personal opinion  BUT ....
I do not have any empirical evidence to support that so I am keeping an open ear to the Web threads.

It sounds suspiciously like a "false flag" web event geared towards having the "hotheads" announce themselves for the "roundups" that are in the NorCom planning books.

:dontknow:
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: mgundoc on March 26, 2009, 01:06:58 am
Well if I am on a LIST then I will ware it with PRIDE(My colors don't run)!
I have A FEW GOOD MEN that will avenge my stand if need be and they(AND I) are not your run of the mill swat teams(We play HARD)God help the ones that would do us harm for speaking out to WHAT IS RIGHT.
I and my MEN WILL STAND by our Oath and hold accountable the ones that DON'T(NUF SAID)
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Elias Alias on March 26, 2009, 06:09:48 am
....oh, and good to hear from you this a.m. over the airwaves -- I needed all the help I could get.  Now, about that article, I'd appreciate any input from you all as to its credibility.

Jim,
After searching for quite some time, it appears that there is nothing to that false claim. Everything I dragged up led back to the same blog, which offers no tangible proof of the claim.

It's a shame that this sort of hoax is so readily believable, but then, nothing this government might do today would surprise me, so I was easily taken in upon hearing this on the radio this morning. We have to be extremely careful to check sources before saying things which cannot be proved or verified. A lot of listeners this morning were steered wrongly to think something which I cannot prove. I don't know who started that segment of the show, but whoever implied that this rumor was true may have wrecked the host's standing at KMMS - she was in tears over this, and if this turns out to be unprovable, then the station's credibility was damaged, and her own creditility will now be suspect. People who do psyops do this kind of thing. We have to be careful at all times. I'm gonna email KMMS and suggest a correction/disclaimer be issued in the morning.

However, as I said, an effort to change the oath would not surprise me, so I'll continue to keep an ear open on this. For the moment, however, I'm calling it a hoax. Thanks to psyops, "hoaxes" are abundant nowadays. We must not react to un-sourced rumors. There is already too much confusion and fear running rampant across the nation right now.

By the way, can you fill me in on what was stated before I called in? Who brought this subject up? As I said, I tuned in late and missed the opening segment. When I tuned in, the topic was full-blown, and I have no idea who started the topic. I had presumed that she had got it as a breaking news item off the wires. Now I'm wondering if a caller brought it up, of if she had a guest on who brought it up. Anything you can fill in for me would be appreciated. Thanks.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Klapton Isgod on March 26, 2009, 08:16:06 am
Well said. If I may, I would like throw out a thought for soldiers, police and anyone else that may enable through force of arms what we all think is going to happen. One day when you aren't of any use to them, if you live that long, you will be the ones getting the shaft by your masters. You don't think that anything you are told or promised by them can be trusted...do you? Do you trust anybody that you know is a liar? I know folks that if thy told me the sky was blue I would walk outside to check. Don't trust them. Think it through, if they have proven to be untrustworthy then YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM!

One day you will be on the other side of the fence.

This reminds me of an amusing story of one of the first times the Army lied to me...

I was in the reception station before my basic training company was formed.  Our heads were shaved, but we hadn't got our new uniforms yet - just wearing PTs we were forced to buy at the PX. 

They announced to everyone that they have a pill for us "that will kill any viruses you might have."  I thought, "Gee, the Army has the cure for the common cold, I never heard about it on the news, and they are passing it out to basic trainees!"  BS alarm goes off, of course.  They then explained that they can't give this to the females until they get the results of their pregnancy tests.  Hmmm...  At the time, I hadn't figured out what it was, but I knew I was being lied to.  So I just pretended to take it as I took my turn at the drinking fountain to swallow the miracle mystery pill.

The next morning, we found out what it was.  One guy comes out of the latrine and said, "I think I know what those pills was.  I been thinkin about my girl...  and I mean I been TRYIN."  Talk spreads throughout the open bay barracks.  ONE guy still had his morning missle, and was proudly displaying it like a tent in his gray PT shorts.  His nickname for the rest of basic training was "Boner."

I was glad for this experience.  It told me very early on that the Army would not hesitate to LIE to me.  And that they would do things like give me medicines without me knowing what it was or having proper medical supervision.  Is it any wonder that FedGov denies responsibility for Gulf War Syndrome when they were giving troops experimental medicines during the war?  My little story is harmless and amusing.  A lot of other peoples' stories are not amusing at all.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on March 26, 2009, 10:52:37 am
Well if I am on a LIST then I will ware it with PRIDE(My colors don't run)!
I have A FEW GOOD MEN that will avenge my stand if need be and they(AND I) are not your run of the mill swat teams(We play HARD)God help the ones that would do us harm for speaking out to WHAT IS RIGHT.
I and my MEN WILL STAND by our Oath and hold accountable the ones that DON'T(NUF SAID)

Yep
Only I don't own any men that I can control.

Look around here mgundoc.
You are among friends here.
Nobody here is making lists and all of us are already on most of the lists that FedGov is making.

We are grateful for your taking the time to post a testimonial and supporting the effort to stop the Professional Politicians from turning our Republic into complete Fascism.
We feel exactly the same as you do and some of us are seriously old timers. [Vietnam era old timers. I was in from '66 to '69.]
None of these colors run either.
You don't need to "sound off" to us.
BUT if it makes you feel better .... have at it.


They say that riding a bike never goes away after you get it figured out .... well  .... you and I both know that good marksmanship is another of those "permanent" skills in life.
Even a 70 year old man [or woman] can hit 4 M.O.A. at 600 yards IF they practice regularly.

Here's to doing our part to make the Washington Ne'er-do-wells sit up and do right.  :occasion14:
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: BJ on March 26, 2009, 02:45:48 pm
Hi Elias,
Thanks for your reply.  Let me clarify.  I, as a caller to the show, brought up the H.R. 1388 for discussion just because it was currently being revised in the Senate that morning.  The positive point of the show was the reaction of listeners in contacting their representatives to get more information about this resolution.  My intention in calling the show yesterday was to point out the inclusion of mandatory language in the resolution for volunteerism.  My hope was that others would call Washington, and they did

In terms of the host becoming emotional during the show --  the general tone of the discussion about tyranny in government was upsetting.  Many callers were offering different points of view about this, the Patriot Act, all sorts of things beyond talk of the resolution.  The discussion shifted to talk of general tyranny when I made a comment that this is not an issue between conservatives vs. liberals, democrats vs. republicans, but rather liberty vs. tyranny.  And also, nobody said that H.R. 1388 contained language to change the oath. 

I brought up the information I'd read in the prison planet article about the possible communication between Gen. Cartwright's office and the white house during the discussion on tyranny.  After further checking I concur with you that it is not factual information.   But, the buck stops here.  I'm the one who brought it up as others were talking about examples of tyranny from history.  As far as a retraction from the station, it was a caller who brought it up (me), not the station or it's host.  I hope this misstep did not cause problems or confusion and I have learned an important lesson.  In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, trust but verify.  I have relayed this information to the host as well and offered my apology there.  I got caught up in my passion for the issue that morning and should have stuck with my original intention for calling, which was to talk about H.R. 1388.

Jim
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: infantryguru on March 26, 2009, 06:28:08 pm
Received the link to oath-keepers from a friend of mine who is a missionary in China a few days ago.  Finally got time to sit down and check it out and was thrilled to read that so many out there feel the same as I do and are willing to proclaim it and stand behind it.  I was proud to become a member and have been spreading the word to friend, family, and fellow soldiers.  Thanks for such a great sight.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Moozle on March 27, 2009, 01:41:19 am
The last act of an worthy man is to die well.  The preservation of the Constitution and the Republic are good reasons.  There are many lesser actions between here and there though, thanks to the founders.
Let's use their full measure.  While the blood of tyrants may be worth little, a patriot is irreplaceable.

Jon Watts (Moozle)
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Elias Alias on March 27, 2009, 10:02:47 pm
Hi Elias,
Thanks for your reply.  Let me clarify.  I, as a caller to the show, brought up the H.R. 1388 for discussion just because it was currently being revised in the Senate that morning.  The positive point of the show was the reaction of listeners in contacting their representatives to get more information about this resolution.  My intention in calling the show yesterday was to point out the inclusion of mandatory language in the resolution for volunteerism.  My hope was that others would call Washington, and they did

In terms of the host becoming emotional during the show --  the general tone of the discussion about tyranny in government was upsetting.  Many callers were offering different points of view about this, the Patriot Act, all sorts of things beyond talk of the resolution.  The discussion shifted to talk of general tyranny when I made a comment that this is not an issue between conservatives vs. liberals, democrats vs. republicans, but rather liberty vs. tyranny.  And also, nobody said that H.R. 1388 contained language to change the oath. 

I brought up the information I'd read in the prison planet article about the possible communication between Gen. Cartwright's office and the white house during the discussion on tyranny.  After further checking I concur with you that it is not factual information.   But, the buck stops here.  I'm the one who brought it up as others were talking about examples of tyranny from history.  As far as a retraction from the station, it was a caller who brought it up (me), not the station or it's host.  I hope this misstep did not cause problems or confusion and I have learned an important lesson.  In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, trust but verify.  I have relayed this information to the host as well and offered my apology there.  I got caught up in my passion for the issue that morning and should have stuck with my original intention for calling, which was to talk about H.R. 1388.

Jim

Jim,
Thank you for an excellent reply. I really appreciate your taking time to do that for me. My apologies for jumping into a show on which I'd missed the opening moments.

I think you're right about everything but one thing - "the buck" doesn't really stop with you. I do not recall you making any statement which I could not already validate, but for some reason I was unclear about that bit on the oath being changed (or attempted to be changed by the bill, HR-1388, and wondered where that came from. But that aside, and speaking now only about the buck not stopping with you, here is why I can say that.

I called KMMS yesterday morning and spoke directly with the lady host, the one who had been hosting when you, self, and Vinny were on the show with her. I asked her where she got that info about the oath possibly being changed, and she held me on the line while she called her local source on that.... and guess what? Her source gave the section number and details, so she looked it up while I was still on the phone with her, and lo and behold that passage is no longer in the bill.

So what was happening? The local source's wife said she saw it when she first read that bill. But she's been mointoring that bill for a while, and she says that parts of the bill are, day by day, being removed or altered. Well, it seems that somebody continues to delete things out of the bill as it is/was being discussed (I presume by Committee), so that the bill right now is not the same bill it was just a few days ago, and certainly not the same as the bill was three, four, five days, even a week ago. As the discussion on the bill continued, more and more sections of the bill have been removed.

So. That means one of two things, imo. Either it was in the bill and has been removed, or it was never actually in the bill, but some other passage or section may have alluded to something very close to that oath-change, and that section/part has since been removed anyway.

So as far as I'm concerned right now, especially with full knowledge that many people in seats of government power would dearly love to change that oath for obvious reasons, that treacherous business may have actually been worded into the bill, but then removed owing to too many objections. Maybe we'll never know, but we can know that the overall consciousness in Washington D.C. right now would for the most part support such a change in the oath.

As far as the balance of material discussed on that show a couple of days ago, I thought it was all quite on the mark. And you're right, it's downright scary. One thing I love about Bozeman's KMMS talk-radio shows is that there are so many people in the listening audience who're monitoring every move Fedgov makes right now, and many of them are not bashful about calling in to discuss the latest round or horrors issuing forth from our berserk government. And btw, don't you think that dude named "Vinny" is one good caller? I really like the concise way he speaks. You do a good job with that too. The three of us together, all on different phones but asked to stay on the line by the host, gave some sobering consciousness to listeners far and wide. 

On another aside note - Henry Kriegel, on yesterday's Open Range show, played about an hour's worth of his interview with G. Edward Griffin. I thought Griffin did a great job, and I applaud Henry for broadcasting that interview. I hope you were able to catch it. Boze-Angeles seems to be getting peppered with truth-movement liberty consciousness lately, and I'm delighted.

Thanks again for taking time to give me a good, complete answer. That helped a lot.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Hillbilly123069 on March 28, 2009, 08:37:01 pm
I found these...
http://www.newstin.com/rel/us/en-010-010227282
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=906
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/oath.asp
http://waronyou.com/topics/military-to-pledge-oath-to-obama-not-constitution/
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on March 28, 2009, 09:12:49 pm
The last act of an worthy man is to die well.  The preservation of the Constitution and the Republic are good reasons.  There are many lesser actions between here and there though, thanks to the founders.
Let's use their full measure.  While the blood of tyrants may be worth little, a patriot is irreplaceable.

Jon Watts (Moozle)

I like Patton's statement about [I paraphrase] winning isn't about dying for your country it's about making the other guy die for his country.

Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: AceV on March 29, 2009, 03:34:03 am
I have little doubt that the aforementioned verbiage was in HR 1388 to begin with.

Just like every little step the FedGov takes toward total tyranny that gets exposed, they backpedal or pretend it wasn't there at all.

Just ask the folks from TX about the Trans Texas Corridor. There was a very large public outcry and they backed off initially. Now they are just going to do the same thing in smaller "phases" so as not to alarm the people and avoid resistance. In the end, it's the same thing. They just repackage it so you'll accept it later on when its marketed to you differently.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: loumiron on March 29, 2009, 04:06:31 am
Thanks
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Moozle on March 29, 2009, 06:16:38 pm
The last act of an worthy man is to die well.  The preservation of the Constitution and the Republic are good reasons.  There are many lesser actions between here and there though, thanks to the founders.
Let's use their full measure.  While the blood of tyrants may be worth little, a patriot is irreplaceable.

Jon Watts (Moozle)

I like Patton's statement about [I paraphrase] winning isn't about dying for your country it's about making the other guy die for his country.



Of course, my first post would be option D
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on April 01, 2009, 09:47:49 pm
The last act of an worthy man is to die well.  The preservation of the Constitution and the Republic are good reasons.  There are many lesser actions between here and there though, thanks to the founders.
Let's use their full measure.  While the blood of tyrants may be worth little, a patriot is irreplaceable.

Jon Watts (Moozle)

I like Patton's statement about [I paraphrase] winning isn't about dying for your country it's about making the other guy die for his country.



Of course, my first post would be option D

Yep me too.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Bernie on April 09, 2009, 02:07:51 pm
The original website for Oath-Keepers is here: http://www.oath-keepers.blogspot.com/

A new website for Oath-Keepers is being created as we speak, and may or may not feature a Forum on-site.
Elias

Of all the Web tools out there, I feel that the Forum is the most powerful.  We live in different time zones and work different shifts.  The forum makes staying current possible.  Do, please, strive to have our own forum.  Although this is great for starts, as our numbers grow, so will our differences with this our parent forum.  Heck, were shall have differences amongst ourselves.  That said there are already 8 categories with a total of 35 subjects of which we are one.

I wish I had the skills required to set us up with such a forum.  I have helped maintain and moderated a couple so I realize I am not up to the challenge.  I do have opinions that I am not afraid to share.  This forum format is not user friendly (url insertion does not allow for renaming) and is rather ugly.
 
http://www.vbulletin.com/  is a full feature forum with support.

http://www.phpbb.com/ is a popular open source forum platform and is completely free and has a support forum.
This forum is done on http://www.simplemachines.org/ and is  :deadhorse:.

That said I am darn glad to be here.

Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: OKinPA on April 11, 2009, 03:38:16 pm
Thank you for replenishing my faith in those of us who have taken oaths. I assure you that there are many Oath Keepers in my area. I've been talking about oath obligations for years to my vet friends and active duty friends. It is a huge help just knowing there are so many others who feel as I do. Thanks for the boost. ....Bill
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on April 11, 2009, 09:27:46 pm
Welcome aboard Bill and Bernie.

Bill,
It may look like there are a whole lot of people on the blogsite but there are literally millions who we have not "Reached" yet and we can use every hand we can find to spread the word and Teach the 7 Principles and 10 Orders We Won't Obey.

There is going to be "backlash".  Some people who will say that what we are doing is treason and violent and UnAmerican and Lord knows what all. [Review the What We Are Not List for answers to these kinds of wisecracks ...]

We will need Oath Keepers to keep spreading the word and inviting everyone to read the Oath, research the history of our country [any wonder why it is not taught in our government run schools any more ?] and become involved. [Take the Oath for themselves IF they want and are serious.]

Thank You for your Service and for standing up and helping out.



Bernie,

I am not that person BUT we do have a person working on setting us up with a forum of our own. [I am told ...]

As to what format to use ... I am pretty partial to stylus and clay myself ....  :rolleyes:
I will point out your suggestions to our tech guy.
[Be careful of too many Good Suggestions you Might wind up with a job ....]

"....that said I am darn glad to be here."

And we are Proud to have you with us.
Thank You for your Service and for showing up.

Welcome aboard,

gooch
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: crosstar2 on April 16, 2009, 02:38:06 pm
Anybody in Houston available to pass out literature this weekend at the Law Enforcement Benefit Wild Game BB-Q Coof-off? This would be a great venue!
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Jeff Citizen on April 21, 2009, 01:15:38 am
Interesting, hope this little 'addition' turns into something useful.  :)
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: SSgt_USAF_vet on April 22, 2009, 05:36:45 am
Anybody in Houston available to pass out literature this weekend at the Law Enforcement Benefit Wild Game BB-Q Coof-off? This would be a great venue!
How can I get Oath Keeper literature to hand out to folks? Is there a site where I can download premade materials or are we encouraged to make our own?
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on April 22, 2009, 04:40:28 pm
Anybody in Houston available to pass out literature this weekend at the Law Enforcement Benefit Wild Game BB-Q Coof-off? This would be a great venue!
How can I get Oath Keeper literature to hand out to folks? Is there a site where I can download premade materials or are we encouraged to make our own?

The only "literature" that I am aware of is the stuff one makes for themselves by copy and paste from the blog site.
I used the [English version] patch with tab and then copied the 10 Orders we will Not Obey and the short statement of who we are and the We are Not List.[I only use the we are not list when somebody tries the "BUT What if ...." game.  I also copied the Long version to use as a "speech" at any ceremonies I happen to be invited to attend.]
I also put an Oath together to use in those situations wherein I happened to be called upon to "officiate".
The ONLY difference between the copy I used and the one Stewart used was I dropped the words "or purpose of evasion" from the enlistment oath as well as the part about following orders from the President and other officers, etc.

I made up copies and handed them out to folks. When we were done I signed the copy of the Oath that they swore to so they would be able to accurately recount what it was that they did swear to that day. [19 Apr 2009]

I was teaching at an Appleseed and could not make the Muster on the green but none of those folks got a copy of the Oath with My signature on it either. [It has to be worth nearly two cents .... I think ....]

Now that the 19th is past there may be "official" literature put together by the "national HQ".
The best I can offer is to send in an email with your questions.

oathkeepersok@gmail.com
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: charger79 on April 26, 2009, 02:27:10 pm
I am glad to have finally found a site that I can agree with and feel at home.  I am a retired 20 year Navy veteran and a current Chief of Police.  We must preserve and protect the Constitution first and foremost.  I am extremely upset and worried about the continued assault on the 2nd Amendment.  I will never participate in disarming our citizens -- I will resign first.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on April 26, 2009, 03:04:18 pm
I am glad to have finally found a site that I can agree with and feel at home.  I am a retired 20 year Navy veteran and a current Chief of Police.  We must preserve and protect the Constitution first and foremost.  I am extremely upset and worried about the continued assault on the 2nd Amendment.  I will never participate in disarming our citizens -- I will resign first.

Excellently put and Welcome Chief.

Thank you for your Service.
Have you submitted a testimonial to the Oath Keepers blog site yet ?
It can be Anonymous IF you prefer.
oath-keepers.blogspot.com and then send the testimonial to oathkeepersok @ gmail.com [without the spaces of course]

Rather than resign why not arrest for treason [sedition ?] the person who issued the order ?
Not a criticism just a question.

We are glad to have you join us.

The assault on the Second Amendment is an obvious move to castrate the American People to make us helpless sheep to be herded to the holding pens.
Help us spread the word to all of the Officers on your Force.

For the Republic.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Bernie on April 26, 2009, 06:21:21 pm
Quote
Rather than resign why not arrest for treason [sedition ?] the person who issued the order ?
Not a criticism just a question.
Have you ever noticed that you are always out numbered and out gunned when the higher ups want you to do their bidding.  Sometimes you got to walk away.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on April 26, 2009, 10:07:54 pm
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Rather than resign why not arrest for treason [sedition ?] the person who issued the order ?
Not a criticism just a question.
Have you ever noticed that you are always out numbered and out gunned when the higher ups want you to do their bidding.  Sometimes you got to walk away.

Yep I know.
I just gave up a good paying career in the Merchant Marine because the DHS took over from the USCG.
I refuse to work for them, I refuse to help them abuse the Constitution and force the People into a "One size fits all" Socialistic nightmare so I refused to renew when it came time.
Now I struggle to pay the bills BUT I sleep good at night and I can look the guy in the mirror right in the eye.
 

One of these days the "good guys" will get a break.
Hopefully before my grandsons grow old enough to have to take over this fight.
I really want it finished so they can just be kids ....

Sorry If I am getting in a hurry ....

No Offense meant charger79.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: charger79 on April 27, 2009, 08:33:06 pm
Unfortunately, I don't think that there will be one person who will issue the order.  Our current administration seems to like the view of "transnationalism."  Transnationalism is the means for the government to usurp the Constitution by entering into international treaties.  Such treaties, if approved by the Senate, allow the President to create compliance regulations without congressional approval.  So, as anti-gun as the U.N. is, we must be vigilent that any treaties we enter into does not conflict with our Bill of Rights, especially the 2nd Amendment.  Should we enter into such an agreement, our government would be forced to comply.  It is an end around when the anti-gunners can't win in congress or in the courts.  This is a real threat to our freedoms.

Without the 2nd Amendment, all other rights can be taken one by one.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Bernie on April 28, 2009, 02:18:18 pm

Treaties, if approved by the Senate, allow the President to create compliance regulations without congressional approval.

Anti-gun New World Order for the hearing impaired
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Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Contrarian on April 29, 2009, 05:04:28 am
A friend of mine pointed me to this work... I'm still chewing on it, need some one with a bit more legal background.

I know I should have gone to law school...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8611789/The-United-StatesThe-New-Roman-Empire
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Bernie on April 29, 2009, 01:45:54 pm
Some say the world is very very old. Some say the world is just very old.  So What.

That article says the Congress ceased to exist with the Civil War.

I say that Congress declared WAR in the 1940's and never closed the books on it.  How is that for legalese?  That explains all of these police actions and conflicts.  WWII is still ongoing.  What matters is that we AGREE on the fact that things are not what they should be, or what we were led to believe no longer applies at this time.  A certain balance of power is missing for what ever the reason, and we want that balance restored.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Disavowed spook on April 29, 2009, 03:12:13 pm
Apparantly no Oathkeepers in Florida today. :BangHead: :BangHead:
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on April 29, 2009, 03:19:33 pm
Apparantly no Oathkeepers in Florida today. :BangHead: :BangHead:

You can hurt your house/brick wall like that mr spook.
So ....
What happened in Florida ?
I don't do TV or any of the Main Stream Media [MSM] so I am "in the dark" as to what you refer to in your post.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Disavowed spook on April 29, 2009, 03:41:47 pm
http://thetension.blogspot.com/2009/04/north-florida-beach-stormed-by.html
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on April 29, 2009, 04:09:45 pm
OK
Mayport, Fla.
Just north of Jacksonville.

I don't see the correlation.
Can you help me with that ?
Practicing landings isn't the same thing as actually assaulting American citizens like the DEA and swat teams are doing daily.
In direct violation of the Fourth Amendment I might add.

Cross training with other countries is not in violation of the Constitution as I understand it.
Can you help me with that part ?
I am always interested in learning.

I would bring this map to your attention.   MAP (http://www.cato.org/raidmap/)
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Klapton Isgod on April 29, 2009, 04:21:15 pm
I find it alarming when ANY nation (including the US) has their troops on someone else's soil.  One of the Oathkeeper "orders we will not obey" is about having foreign or UN troops in the US as "peacekeepers."  So, this is indeed disturbing.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Contrarian on April 30, 2009, 04:25:57 am
Some say the world is very very old. Some say the world is just very old.  So What.

That article says the Congress ceased to exist with the Civil War.

I say that Congress declared WAR in the 1940's and never closed the books on it.  How is that for legalese?  That explains all of these police actions and conflicts.  WWII is still ongoing.  What matters is that we AGREE on the fact that things are not what they should be, or what we were led to believe no longer applies at this time.  A certain balance of power is missing for what ever the reason, and we want that balance restored.

WWII isn't the only war on going. The Civil War part II is only just begun.

If congress ceased to exist in 1861, all orders, laws and acts emanating from the body are null and void... since 1861.
Please reread that...

The Constitution itself and the Union have literally been dissolved. We are an "ad hoc" Nation, with "laws" of convenience, and nothing more.
This is how I was fooled, this was the beginning of the flanking maneuver on the part of those who would enslave.
So, my mission is the re-enactment of the Constitution. As Bush stated, the Constitution now is just a damn piece of paper, and Obama merely reiterates that statement with his actions and the fact that he is holding title to America, at all. In fact, without his birth certificate on file at the Dept of Commerce, Obama may hold claim to being an actual free man, whereas you and I, with our SSN and Military service are not.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on April 30, 2009, 10:22:14 pm
I find it alarming when ANY nation (including the US) has their troops on someone else's soil.  One of the Oathkeeper "orders we will not obey" is about having foreign or UN troops in the US as "peacekeepers."  So, this is indeed disturbing.

Where in the article did the troops participating in the landing drills act as Peace Keepers ?

I'm NOT trying to defend any foreign troop placement on our soil. 
I just don't see troop training maneuvers as "the last straw".

I don't like it much BUT gabbing about it here isn't helping us in our "reaching out to the active duty folks about their Oath and its meaning" duties is it ?

There are threads aplenty to grouse about this kind of thing on the rest of this website and numerous other websites as well.

I try real hard not to read the end of the world in my cereal every morning.  I find it helps me in my outlook somewhat.

YMMV
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Disavowed spook on May 01, 2009, 01:25:53 am
Assuming that there are military personnel trained and educated in the philosophies of warfighting here I submit these;

1. West Point instructs all graduates that the Second Ammendment applies to military and government sanctioned agencies and cultivates the attitude that "citizens have no right to bear arms in defiance of established government" . This is a direct quote from several non-related West Point grads whom were immediately kicked out of my assorted barbeques over the years with extreme predjudice.

2. Soliders from all branches when placed under the command of NATO or UN are manipulated into betraying thier oath and few seem to question the fact that they have been pawned.

Both are incrimental tactics empoyed to blur the comprehension of lawful orders which INCREASINGLY are "exercised".
Allys are neccessary, but should never corrupt National Sovereignty.

Since a supreme Court ruling is offered as justification I offer that too, the 9th circut found as a matter of fact that "..fulminated mercury in vaccines is good for" [you]...

Sadly, incrementalism errodes the concept of right and wrong, and as another poster above alluded, they "don't see anything wrong with it", with regards to foriegn troops landing on US soil. This is how multiple branches of US military have repeatedly "conducted drills" and practice operations with joint interenational task forces on US soil.

Historically our forces have both covertly and openly instructed and advised international forces abroad. When the conjoined forces are on US soil it is a violation of Posse Comitatus circumvented by technical legalese implemented to condition The People to accept it.
In the opinion of many it is preferable to send our troops abroad for these "exercises", and in the case of one Marine base commander I am aware of that is what happens to you if you are a jarhead that cannot keep your hands off his wife,..you get sent to Belarus to train thier police for a third go around. Point is, it took a personal offence to motivate this base commader to do the right thing.

The People en masse are growing fearful of thier Government/s because of incremental and overt usurpsion of Constitutional matters as well as blatant abuses and callous disregard at teh hands of what are termmed "paramilitary forces" when we see them on the news in otehr countries but are called FEMA, NSA, DHS, and assorted other brancehs of "law" enforcement when they appear in the US.
Again, incrementalism mixed with double speak and linguistic manipulation.
"Providing for the general welfare" would be better expressed by securing our US/Mexican border than invading a resort town beach head. The "exercise" is a blatant waste of effort and borrowed funds in the eyes of critical thinking Americans.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Disavowed spook on May 01, 2009, 12:46:07 pm
Another example of legalese usurping National Sovreignty.
When prosecuting would require releasing classified material the Constitutional stalemate lets guilty walk?


http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:washington_ti859:5d9f0d231f241e89889f07e6d1d6017c/Charges-dropped-against-ex-AIPAC-staffers;_ylt=AgZNoI3f7_Ped75FcpW9flQ7vJZ4
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Elias Alias on May 02, 2009, 02:38:23 pm
Well, I do not think that Oathkeepers, as a group of patriots, are off-course in discussing some of the topics which have surfaced on this thread thus far. We have the oath itself, which alludes to the Constitution, which created the Federal government, which has acted in recent decades in ways which give good cause to all here to review the activities of the Federal government.

But before I toss my two-cents' worth into the fray here, I'd like to note for all readers that Oathkeepers is steadfastly seeking to remain aloof from all political aspects, for the purpose of keeping Oathkeepers as purely non-partisan as best we can. Americans today do have many valid questions regarding the exercise of authority by the Federal government. Law enforcement personnel and military personnel and the veteran community all have a stake in what is happening to/with our country today. So when we speak here of various related topics, such as certain ways in which we see the Federal government violating its own founding document's legal charter, we want to keep (or try to keep, yes?) our focus on the non-partisan stance of Oathkeepers. I hope all agree with me on that.

But, that said, let's now look at the reality of foreign troops being trained on our soil, and how that may be seen to threaten U.S. national sovereignty.

We know that our own damned government is involved in "working groups" cooperating with working groups from matching agencies in the Mexican and Canadian government. These working groups are found in the State Department, the White House, the Pentagon, the Department of Justice, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Energy, etc., etc. The working groups are laid out in full detail in Jerome Corsi's wonderful book entitled The Late Great USA. But some of the activity of these working groups comes to the surface at the government's own website, here:  http://www.spp.gov/

From that page - (italics mine)

Quote
This trilateral initiative is premised on our security and our economic prosperity being mutually reinforcing. The SPP recognizes that our three great nations are bound by a shared belief in freedom, economic opportunity, and strong democratic institutions.


Reading between the lines on that front page at the Security and Prosperity Partnership website, which is a Federal (dot gov) website, we may feel a chill as we recognize the statist twist of perverted notions of "partnership" which are worded in such lofty and blameless language so as to conceal the agenda of the creation of a North American Union (NAU). Many of you here already know about the SPP, but in case a few readers here have not fully thought about it, allow me please to recall a couple of points of interest:

1) The NAU is being constructed in the same way the European Union was created - through trade deals (think: NAFTA and CAFTA etc.)

2) If and when a NAU is established, it will of need possess a higher authority than any government of the involved three nations, Canada, Mexico, and the United States. That means there will be a higher authority than our Supreme Court, and there will be a higher authority than our Congress, and there will be a higher authority than our Department of Justice, etc., but it also means that there will be a higher authority than our U.S. Constitution. All of our Bill of Rights would then be subject to interpretation by the governing body of the NAU. Any form of a North American Union will be a direct threat to the Constitution we've sworn to support and defend, and said North American Union would directly usurp American sovereignty, enfolding we and our legal system into a larger body of higher, concentrated, authority.

I mention the above subject for your consideration as Oathkeepers because of the obvious threat to our sovereignty this SPP represents to all Americans;  but I also mention it here because of the topic which has just come up on this thread, the topic of foreign troops exercising on U.S. soil. Here is something I recently found at FEMA's website, something called "NLE09"  -

http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm

From that article I would like to share a couple of sections for your consideration.

quoting from FEMA's article:

"NLE 09 is a White House directed, Congressionally- mandated exercise that includes the participation of all appropriate federal department and agency senior officials, their deputies, staff and key operational elements.  In addition, broad regional participation of state, tribal, local, and private sector is anticipated.  This year the United States welcomes the participation of Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom in NLE 09."


and:

"NLE 09 will be an operations-based exercise to include: activities taking place at command posts, emergency operation centers, intelligence centers and potential field locations to include federal headquarters facilities in the Washington D.C. area, and in federal, regional, state, tribal, local and private sector facilities in FEMA Region VI, which includes the states of Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas."

and:

"Through a comprehensive evaluation process, the exercise will assess prevention and protection capabilities both nationally and regionally. Although NLE 09 is still in the planning stages, the exercise is currently designed to validate the following capabilities:

    *
      Intelligence/Information Sharing and Dissemination
    *
      Counter-Terrorism Investigation and Law Enforcement
    *
      Air, Border and Maritime Security
    *
      Critical Infrastructure Protection
    *
      Public and Private Sector Alert/Notification and Security Advisories
    *
      International Coordination

"Exercises such as NLE 09 are an important component of national preparedness, helping to build an integrated federal, state, tribal, local and private sector capability to prevent terrorist attacks, and rapidly and effectively respond to, and recover from, any terrorist attack or major disaster that occurs.

"The full-scale exercise offers agencies and jurisdictions a way to test their plans and skills in a real-time, realistic environment and to gain the in-depth knowledge that only experience can provide. Participants will exercise prevention and information sharing functions that are critical to preventing terrorist attacks. Lessons learned from the exercise will provide valuable insights to guide future planning for securing the nation against terrorist attacks, disasters, and other emergencies.

"For more information about NLE 09, contact the FEMA News Desk: 202-646-4600."


(end quoted passages from FEMA website)
~

So. That NLE09 is coming right up, in July, and it will deal with "intervention" of terrorism. The American public is most likely to believe that this is a very necessary exercise, for many reasons. But you and I must look at this from a more responsible vantage point. We must acknowledge that our government has included foreign troops in this "intervention" operation/exercise. The reason we must look at this from a more accurate perspective has to do with Janet Napolitano's recent debacle regarding "right-wing extremism". As I hope all here know, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has issued to all law enforcement agencies around the nation a very alarming dissertation on how law enforcement personnel might recognize "threats to law enforcement". Included among the listed villains are Ron Paul supporters, anyone believing that the 2nd Amendment is under attack by government, anyone who believes that there is a North American Union, anyone who disagrees that the U.S. government should allow a private corporation issue this nation's money supply (the Federal Reserve), and, among numerous other social despots, our own troops returning home from service in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Given DHS' view of mainstream America and its veteran community, how should I now think of the National Level Exercise 09 to be conducted by FEMA?

Such, I confess, is exactly why it was necessary for Stewart to create Oathkeepers.

Coimments?

Salute!
Elias
Notes:
Napolitano's pitiful comments on the document - http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1239817562001.shtm
the document, pdf - http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
for the document in html form -

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:NoVMKyGOQdcJ:www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf+%22Rightwing+Extremism:+Current+Economic+and+Political+Climate+Fueling+Resurgence+in+Radicalization+and+Recruitment,%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Bernie on May 02, 2009, 04:08:01 pm

http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm

From that article I would like to share a couple of sections for your consideration.

quoting from FEMA's article:

"NLE 09 is a White House directed, Congressionally- mandated exercise that includes the participation of all appropriate federal department and agency senior officials, their deputies, staff and key operational elements.  In addition, broad regional participation of state, tribal, local, and private sector is anticipated.  This year the United States welcomes the participation of Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom in NLE 09."


Yes I know.  I am taking vacation the end of July.  I am not sure what I will be doing.

This is so why the Oath Keepers need their own forum.  We have a lot to talk about and we can't contain it  all in the one forum subject that we are alloted.

I have said this before.  There are 35 subjects  at this forum and we are but one of them.  I try to keep it to the Oath Keeper mission of getting organized.  Informing and education and current events will come when we have a home of our own.

We are getting a home of our own?
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on May 02, 2009, 09:20:27 pm
Yes I know.  I am taking vacation the end of July.  I am not sure what I will be doing.

This is so why the Oath Keepers need their own forum.  We have a lot to talk about and we can't contain it  all in the one forum subject that we are alloted.

I have said this before.  There are 35 subjects  at this forum and we are but one of them.  I try to keep it to the Oath Keeper mission of getting organized.  Informing and education and current events will come when we have a home of our own.

We are getting a home of our own?
extra emphasis mine

I don't have the answer to that one Bernie.
I do know that we are still backed up on the testimonials and comments on the blog site.
There is a tee shirt thing getting organized and several public events as well as promotional materials being considered.

This was set up for us as a temporary place to chat and we have since been graciously been invited to enjoin the other folks here at the Mental Militia Forum.

I too hope that we will get our own space.
Time will tell.
[I am not a very patient waiter either.]

What was it the second vulture said ?*     




* "Patience Hell !  You can starve if you want to .... I'm gonna go kill something .... "
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: freewoman on May 04, 2009, 05:27:17 pm
Quote
This is so why the Oath Keepers need their own forum.  We have a lot to talk about and we can't contain it  all in the one forum subject that we are alloted.

I have said this before.  There are 35 subjects  at this forum and we are but one of them.  I try to keep it to the Oath Keeper mission of getting organized.  Informing and education and current events will come when we have a home of our own.

We are getting a home of our own?
 

I am a Friend of the Oath-Keepers, though I have never been in the military, or in law enforcement.  I believe in what Stewart is doing with the website, and fully support those of you who are working to awaken others.  This effort could well save all of our bacon, and I for one appreciate that fact.  And I've told several oath-takers about the site.

I have been a member of this forum since 2005, back when it was the Claire Files.  In almost 4 years, I have learned and grown tremendously. 

Bernie, and others who may share his sentiments as quoted above:  You are not restricted to only one part of this forum.  Nor are you restricted to only one thread on this part of the forum.  There truly is a lot to talk about.  But many of us here have been talking about this for years.  And a good number have been putting that talk into action.  Some of that action is discussed here, in various sections of the forum.

There is absolutely no reason why Oath-Keepers must restrict themselves to only the Oath-Keepers section of the forum.  Try Activism, for example.  You'll find folks there who are openly fighting for freedom, and some very good ideas on how to do just that.  And more suggestions are welcome.

Some of the rest of us have other roles.  For those of you who aren't familiar with Claire Wolfe's writings, she has defined three basic types of freedom workers:  Agitators, Ghosts, and Moles.  Agitators are the open activists; Ghosts are the folks who work toward disappearing from the government's view; and Moles are those who work behind the scenes.  That's why we have those three sections on the forum—liberty fighters come in several different flavors.  And we all benefit from each other's strengths.

Yes, Oath-Keepers is getting organized.  And there may come a time when y'all have your own forum.  But we have plenty of information, education, and current events right here, right now.  On a variety of different subjects. 

So dive into our little pool.  I can't speak for all the regulars, but I for one am very glad the Oath Keepers have come on board.  There's a lot we can do together;  the situation is getting too intense to segregate ourselves now. 





Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Patriot 5 on May 05, 2009, 05:59:39 am
Hello to all, and my thanks to Elias.

I'm new to the forum and this my first post but have been following this Obama situation for a long time now as I studied a considerable amount of psychology and began to see many questionable things about him from shortly after he began running.
 
I'm very proud to know there individuals like all of you around in our Nation and even though I haven't been a Marine or in any branch of the service due to a brain injury received back in 1965 I more than willing to fight to preserve this Great Nation and Republic of Ours against all those, foreign or domestic that would attempt to tear her apart as unfortunately is now happening under Obama and his corrupt administration!  Thaey all must go.
 
What is very concerning to me, and I'm sure many others, is what has just been posted by DHS, copy enclosed below, as to whom falls into all the various catagories that they consider to be a terrorist and the list is all encompassing as you will note!
 
Now to go a bit deeper about this issue is the fact that if they decide to attempt to enforce any of this, as I firmly believe the USrper Obama and his administration will do as they are arrogant enough to undertake this as part of his Socialization/New World Order & Radical Muslim Brotherhood plans!  Just how many of those in law enforcement, police, sheriff, DHS, and other government goons are we the Patriotic Citizens going to have to be fighting to prevent their attempted control and Terrorization of us because we don't go along with their narrow minded corrupt and UnConstitutional thinking or what they have been told to think !??  Having studied a considerable amount of psycholoby and knowing that many in LE are on a power trip I'm very concerned that they may not even consider whether or not these types of orders are Constitutional or not and may cause a considerable amount of damage to various citizens and then have the gall to say they are just following orders as though we are supposed to accept that.  I've already experienced this exact senerio, but not about guns or terrorism persey.  The mind set and mentality of some of these individuals is lacking in reasoning ability it seems.
 
 
This is some very serious information here and it's been confirmed as being true by an intellegence source!  At least he said he had the same memo on his desk too and it Pissed him off!
 
I'm very interested to know what you think about this kind of thing happening in our country and how we can combat or neturalize it?
To me this is nothing more than a projection of just exactly what BO's administration is guilty of, TERRORISM!  I'll state my analysis of BO again, He is a Radical Muslim Terrorist Sleeper bent on destroying the U.S.A. from within, which just happens to be the Radical Muslims Creede!  Isn't that conincidental!!  BO is a USurper POTUS as he is not a NBC and can't be as his father was a Britixh subject when BO was born.
 
Plus we have 35+ Muslim Terrorist Training Camps right here on U.S.A. Soil too and one isn't too far from where I live although not in my local!!
 
Men, these are some very trying times were involved in and we all need to pull together to get through it and keep this Nation and Our Constitution Alive and well!  
God Bless us all and Our Nation and Honor!
 
I'd be proud to stand with you if only on the far Right!

Patriot 5

You'll have to do a cut and Paste as article is too long.
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DEFENDOURFREEDOMS.NET published a new entry entitled "DHS Domestic Extremism" on 5/3/2009 10:46:51 AM, written by Defend Our Freedoms.
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DHS Domestic Extremism

I'm having more trouble trying to think of anyone that doesn't fit into at least one of these definitions.


Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Bernie on May 05, 2009, 07:01:09 am
Hello to all, and my thanks to Elias.

I'd be proud to stand with you if only on the far Right!

Patriot 5

Hey I am on the far left, does that mean we have come full circle.  I am a financial conservative bleeding heart liberal that thinks churches need to step up to the plate and do the things they used to do and let government do what they used to do.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Klapton Isgod on May 05, 2009, 07:24:36 am
Just a bit of a heads up, and also some food for thought for the new folks posting...

Plans for the Oathkeepers organization were well underway BEFORE the election.  A lot of folks around here see very little difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.  They are both full of thieves bent on maintaining their own power and enriching themselves and their buddies.  They belong to the same secretive elite organizations.  They both support looting the working person through income taxes and the Federal Reserve system.  The Democrats erode amendments 1, 2, 6, and 9.  Then the Republicans trample 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9.  And when someone like Ron Paul mentions number 10, both sides have a good belly laugh.

Left and Right are an illusion.  There is only Top and Bottom.  The top is the super-wealthy elite and their government puppets, and the bottom is the rest of us.  Returning to the constitution is NOT a return to the Right - it's a return to the BOTTOM - We The People.

Take a look around at the other parts of the forums.  You will find lots of outside-the-left-right-box thinking.  Some of it may seem a bit shocking or radical at first.  And be warned that if you post "conservative" rants about Democrats here, you are likely to be challenged - sometimes fiercely - by folks who distrust the Republicans just as much.  But don't assume it's because they are "liberal."  Modern liberalism is above all a Statist and Collectivist ideology - and that can get folks around here pretty riled up.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Patriot 5 on May 05, 2009, 03:50:14 pm
Hello to all, and my thanks to Elias.

I'd be proud to stand with you if only on the far Right!

Patriot 5

Hey I am on the far left, does that mean we have come full circle.  I am a financial conservative bleeding heart liberal that thinks churches need to step up to the plate and do the things they used to do and let government do what they used to do.


Maybe, as long as we both want to ensure this Nations Constitutional Values are re-established once again and all our Rights and Freedoms regained!
I'd like to think that most everybody on the form, hopefully all, are all working toward the same goal of regaining what we are now loosing.

I'd also like to mention the DHS article is highly inflamatory in and of itself and seems to have come from the current administration.

I's a good thing that this forum can and does bring both sides together for an open minded discussion of Our Nations state of well being.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Patriot 5 on May 05, 2009, 05:17:20 pm
Just a bit of a heads up, and also some food for thought for the new folks posting...

Plans for the Oathkeepers organization were well underway BEFORE the election.  A lot of folks around here see very little difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.  They are both full of thieves bent on maintaining their own power and enriching themselves and their buddies.  They belong to the same secretive elite organizations.  They both support looting the working person through income taxes and the Federal Reserve system.  The Democrats erode amendments 1, 2, 6, and 9.  Then the Republicans trample 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9.  And when someone like Ron Paul mentions number 10, both sides have a good belly laugh.

Left and Right are an illusion.  There is only Top and Bottom.  The top is the super-wealthy elite and their government puppets, and the bottom is the rest of us.  Returning to the constitution is NOT a return to the Right - it's a return to the BOTTOM - We The People.

Take a look around at the other parts of the forums.  You will find lots of outside-the-left-right-box thinking.  Some of it may seem a bit shocking or radical at first.  And be warned that if you post "conservative" rants about Democrats here, you are likely to be challenged - sometimes fiercely - by folks who distrust the Republicans just as much.  But don't assume it's because they are "liberal."  Modern liberalism is above all a Statist and Collectivist ideology - and that can get folks around here pretty riled up.



Hi Klapton,
Yes, I'll have to agree that for the most part we are all cut from the same material but it seems as though the difference, at least for the majority, but not likely on this forum, lies in the perspective of too many not to attempt to try and descern where a person/canidate might be headed such as BO which is unfortunae and indeed which is why we are now faced with all these problems we are embroiled in although the media had a lot to do with it too.

I would take a bit of exception with your example as I'd rather consider, 'We The People' as being on top to control those under us as our represenatives and indeed even the president is supposed to be except in times of National defense.  God help us on that part now.

I most certainly agree with the ideals of the forum to make the U.S. Constitution the basis of our actions and beliefs and thwart any attempt to deprive us of out Rights as is in the works as we speak by the USurper and other factions that got him in office.  It seems we need to form a plan action to correct what has been done. 
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Klapton Isgod on May 05, 2009, 05:42:14 pm
I would take a bit of exception with your example as I'd rather consider, 'We The People' as being on top to control those under us as our represenatives and indeed even the president is supposed to be except in times of National defense.  God help us on that part now.

I'd rather "consider" We The People at the top too.  Reality tells me otherwise.  We The People contacted our congressthieves when the first bailout was about to go down, and overwhelmingly told them to vote NO.  What happened?  The bankers got our money - and our grandchildren's money too.  As for the president and national defense...  He's STILL supposed to be subject to US, even in times of war.  And we can handle our "defense" just fine with or without a president.  Of course, we can't have an empire with troops in 100 different countries around the world, and fight two wars of aggression at the same time without someone giving the orders, and lots of troops to unquestionably obey.

I'm of the opinion that our national security would have been better served if we had followed the advice of many of the founders and disbanded the standing army after the revolution, and heeded the advice of Washington that we should mind our own damn business, and let the rest of the world kill itself if it wanted to.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Mr. Dare on May 05, 2009, 06:11:47 pm
Man creates government to control his world and it's people because he feels threatened.

Man invests in government the very powers he wishes to posses.

Man seeks to control and direct the government to do his bidding.

Man finds the problems too time consuming and complex for him, and abdicates control to "expert" direction and bureaucracy.

Man invests further power and authority in his government when his plans fail to live up to his expectations.

Man finds his creation becomes intractable and will no longer respond to his will.

Man seeks to be absolved of responsibility for the actions of his government.

Man becomes victim to the power he created.

Man feels threatened.

How will he respond this time?

History say's he will seek to wield new power to destroy the old, not realizing that he is fighting himself at every turn.


Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on May 05, 2009, 08:07:09 pm
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I'd like to think that most everybody on the form, hopefully all, are all working toward the same goal of regaining what we are now loosing.
I guess I'm kind of a retard in that I'm working in the hopes of gaining that which we've never had..........absolute freedom, both to do as you will, and be responsible for what which you've done...........

(edited in)

Figured I'd add in that the first step is the hardest..............and oathkeepers is a very good first step.........
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on May 06, 2009, 12:09:06 am
Just a bit of a heads up, and also some food for thought for the new folks posting...

Plans for the Oathkeepers organization were well underway BEFORE the election.  A lot of folks around here see very little difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.  They are both full of thieves bent on maintaining their own power and enriching themselves and their buddies.  They belong to the same secretive elite organizations.  They both support looting the working person through income taxes and the Federal Reserve system.  The Democrats erode amendments 1, 2, 6, and 9.  Then the Republicans trample 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9.  And when someone like Ron Paul mentions number 10, both sides have a good belly laugh.

Left and Right are an illusion.  There is only Top and Bottom.  The top is the super-wealthy elite and their government puppets, and the bottom is the rest of us.  Returning to the constitution is NOT a return to the Right - it's a return to the BOTTOM - We The People.

Take a look around at the other parts of the forums.  You will find lots of outside-the-left-right-box thinking.  Some of it may seem a bit shocking or radical at first.  And be warned that if you post "conservative" rants about Democrats here, you are likely to be challenged - sometimes fiercely - by folks who distrust the Republicans just as much.  But don't assume it's because they are "liberal."  Modern liberalism is above all a Statist and Collectivist ideology - and that can get folks around here pretty riled up.



Hi Klapton,
Yes, I'll have to agree that for the most part we are all cut from the same material but it seems as though the difference, at least for the majority, but not likely on this forum, lies in the perspective of too many not to attempt to try and descern where a person/canidate might be headed such as BO which is unfortunae and indeed which is why we are now faced with all these problems we are embroiled in although the media had a lot to do with it too.

I would take a bit of exception with your example as I'd rather consider, 'We The People' as being on top to control those under us as our represenatives and indeed even the president is supposed to be except in times of National defense.  God help us on that part now.

I most certainly agree with the ideals of the forum to make the U.S. Constitution the basis of our actions and beliefs and thwart any attempt to deprive us of out Rights as is in the works as we speak by the USurper and other factions that got him in office.  It seems we need to form a plan action to correct what has been done. 

Patriot 5
Oath Keepers has such a plan.
The Plan is to ....
Reach out to all Oath takers and to ....
Teach them to really support and defend the Constitution not just mouth the words and then to  ....
Inspire them to actually refuse to obey any -Any - unlawful order they may be given.
Which would make them Oath Keepers.

When that is accomplished the task of restoring the Constitutional Republic that the founding fathers envisioned will be much more simple.
So simple in fact that some folks May just decide to not elect any Leaders in their State at all.  Which is their Right.

Politics really doesn't have anything to do with Oath Keepers.

Our Only concerns at Oath Keepers are to support and defend the Constitution, to see that it is restored to its rightful place as the Law of the Land and to restore the Constitutional Republic our forefathers created.

Oh and forgive my lack of manners   ....
Welcome.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: windsofchange on May 06, 2009, 09:15:31 am
GOOD Morning Vietnam...err..I mean America!.......My first time posting, anyways just wanted to say hello to all.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on May 06, 2009, 11:38:32 am
Welcome windsofchange

Have a look around.
Besides the Oath Keepers sub forum [or "partner" forum] there is a wealth of information about getting and keeping one's head and heart Free.

Some ideas and concepts may be new to you and then again maybe not ....
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: FXDiz on May 14, 2009, 02:38:22 pm
Just joined this forum specifically for the Oath Keeper portion.  Like all of you, I am tired of seeing the government ignore our Constitution and do as they please to their personal benefit.  For many years I've been trying to decide just what I could do about it, but knowing that there had to be an organized opposition to the tyranny that has become our government, I could do little by myself.  The Oath Keepers have answered that question.  Over a 30 year period in the Navy I took the oath many times and believed in it every time as I always will.  My thanks to those of you that have given me hope that there are others out there that aren't willing to see our country go the way of so many European countries and are will to resist this in what ever means are required.  I do not advocate violence, but am willing to do what ever it takes should other means fail.  I love this country and all it stands for and am by your side in the fight to keep it.  Thank you for what you are doing and allowing me an opportunity to be a part of it.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Trap on May 15, 2009, 07:22:04 am
The assault on traditional American values are reaching a fevered pace, It seems everyday something new comes around the corner that is a direct violation of the constitution or have I just lost my mind and haven't realized it yet?
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on May 15, 2009, 08:32:34 am
No Trap,

I think you are wide awake and aware.

Sad to say .... It is, in fact, our own Gov. that has "lost its mind".

Spread the word.  Time flies.....
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Trap on May 15, 2009, 09:10:32 am
Thanks for the sanity check. Yes time is flying by, I have been actively spreading the word to anyone within ear shot. My wife thinks I've lost it as well as many sleeping associates. Those that hear my words and either believe me or feel in there gut something is wrong are afraid to speak out, I have one friend that will not read my online posts or join in my efforts for fear of big brother. I explained to them that they are in denial at which time i tell them.

 "Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessness and horror at your moment of truth."

and for the mindless that really get under my skin I add "If you decide to remain asleep remember my words, when you feel the warmth of your Urine and Die well.......Twice" I'm not sure what hurts worst the apathy of the citizens or the evil of what is happening.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: livinright on May 15, 2009, 09:59:35 am
Thanks for the sanity check. Yes time is flying by, I have been actively spreading the word to anyone within ear shot. My wife thinks I've lost it as well as many sleeping associates. Those that hear my words and either believe me or feel in there gut something is wrong are afraid to speak out, I have one friend that will not read my online posts or join in my efforts for fear of big brother. I explained to them that they are in denial at which time i tell them.

 "Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessness and horror at your moment of truth."

and for the mindless that really get under my skin I add "If you decide to remain asleep remember my words, when you feel the warmth of your Urine and Die well.......Twice" I'm not sure what hurts worst the apathy of the citizens or the evil of what is happening.

Ah, don't feel alone Trap. I and mine can relate to your feelings and especially your words all too well. Too many are still within this dreamstate comfort zone that has been suggested to them for so long now that they think that they are safe, even though they are not. Yet, when their obvious unhappiness and uneasiness shows, I pounce. They're the people once pounced upon say that they can only listen to so much. It does scare them. Most cannot imagine "taking care of themselves". People have not done things "for themselves" or had to "get along" to survive for some entity has always been there to bail them out one way or the other.

In our household, some won't even visit anymore. Not because they disagree with us, but we are a reminder of how unprepared they are should things go wrong. Yet, we have those who come over because "they have no one else to talk to about these things, people just don't get it". The time sneaking up on us has actually helped in our situation, for we have been preaching and predicting things for so long that now that our friends and family are not taking our ideas for granted anymore. Consistency has been key. And now, we have given up our more radical outward campaigns, and we have become more intimate in our teaching. More by example than by word. The keep up with the Jones' thing is going to be the way that people actually do for themselves, and in turn leave us alone, IMO. They just cannot help themselves in copying. Yet words slip through their ears.

Prime example was this weekend. We just moved into this place, and a neighbor woman who knew the old resident well, saundered out of my garage saying "I was wondering where you were". I had my hand on my hip, and kindly suggested to the old woman that she never do that again. We were NOT the same people as used to live here. She asked many questions, and I offered what she needed to know, the rest she will see as we build our gulch here. Being 90 she has seen much, and had no arguments. And she will not be saundering into our garage again, I am sure. The example has been placed. More will come, and the neighbors are excited about our plans for the future, even though they don't understand why. It's fun to watch the reactions, and will be our entertainment for years to come without a doubt. They will gulch without even realizing why. We found it our only stance, given the psychological make up of the current population surrounding us. They don't listen. People like it when it is "their idea". Always have, always will. So, we'll let it be their idea. :)

Personally, I feel you serve those well to whom you suggest the possibility of death, for it is a reality should things keep going in the direction that they are going. The true severity of the situation should be shared with everyone, whether at the time they wish to believe you or not. Be that nagging idea in the back of their heads. Once things are said, they can't forget. Even if they want to. So, they may think you're crazy......what do they know? Honestly?

Much respect to the oathkeepers, btw.

Peace and smiles.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Correus on May 19, 2009, 10:11:32 pm
Hello -

I joined so I could learn more.  I took my Oath way back in '86 and remember it well - it was one of my most memorable, and humbling, experiences.

I would like to become a member of this group and let everyone know that I'm an 'Oath Keeper'.  Do I join by simply providing a testimonial?
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on May 19, 2009, 10:36:17 pm
Hello -

I joined so I could learn more.  I took my Oath way back in '86 and remember it well - it was one of my most memorable, and humbling, experiences.

I would like to become a member of this group and let everyone know that I'm an 'Oath Keeper'.  Do I join by simply providing a testimonial?

Yep.
Welcome Aboard.
The fact that you have taken the Oath and haven't defamed it means You Are an Oath Keeper.

A testimonial over on the Blogspot is perfect but not necessary.  Please do If you feel the desire at all.  It is amazing to some folks just how many Oath Keepers there are in our beloved country.
I am hoping that any tyrant wannbe is also paying close attention ....
Also each testimonial helps sway the "young bucks" towards our goal.

 
We are setting up an "Official" membership level for those who "just have to have a card or tee shirt or Something" to feel like they "Belong" BUT as of now it is not finished yet.
In Reality .... IF you took [or take] the Oath and Honor [Keep] it You are an Oath Keeper.


Now with that question out of the way ....
Reach, Teach and Inspire.
Any and all oath takers that you know or meet.

We need to Reach out to every active duty and reserve military person as well as the active duty Peace Officers and their reserve groups as well.
We need to Teach them their responsibilities according to the oath they swore. [In the off chance that they don't remember them.]
And ...
We need to Inspire each and every oath taker to become an Oath Keeper.

Any would be Tyrant will find it hard to impose tyranny without the assistance of any of the military and Peace Officers in this country.
That does Not rule out the use of mercenaries or foreign troops BUT even then the odds are much improved in our favor so ....

Reach  Teach  and Inspire as if the survival of our country depended on it  .... because it Does.




For the Republic
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Correus on May 20, 2009, 07:40:00 am
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Welcome Aboard.

Thanks - glad to be here!

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...for those who "just have to have a card or tee shirt or Something"...

Nope, don't need a card or anything; just wanted to make sure I was a member before I started spreading the word and just wasn't sure what I needed to do.  Thanks for clearing it up.

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Now with that question out of the way ....
Reach, Teach and Inspire.
Any and all oath takers that you know or meet.

We need to Reach out to every active duty and reserve military person as well as the active duty Peace Officers and their reserve groups as well.
We need to Teach them their responsibilities according to the oath they swore. [In the off chance that they don't remember them.]
And ...
We need to Inspire each and every oath taker to become an Oath Keeper.

I'm on it!
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Scratch on May 22, 2009, 11:27:22 am
After reading my serial speculative fiction, someone asked if I was an Oath Keeper. I just had to know what its all about. I guess I've been an Oath Keeper before there was a name for it. I'm sure grateful to know there are more of us.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: J on May 22, 2009, 01:18:49 pm
Hi all, just wanted to say i am proud to see people standing up for the values they believe in and willing to take a stand to defend them.  I guess am a "citizen" oath-keeper, but an oath-keeper none the less, god bless you all. 
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: freedom1776 on May 26, 2009, 09:58:41 pm
Hello fellow patriots,

Are there any patriots from the ft smith Arkansas area out there.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Jack Milone akafinger on May 27, 2009, 10:02:14 am
I have been a member of the Oath Keeper forum for a few weeks now and have yet to introduce myself.

I am a SGT in the U.S. Army reserve(14 years) and OEF veteran with the 10th Mountain.
With all the crazy things going on in the world and especially within our own government we must NOW stand up and defend our Constitution and way of life.
There has been many groups/organizations popping up lately to help save our republic but....................
OATH KEEPERS is the only one that I can get behind 100% NO politics, just the Constitution and our oath to it.

I will stand with my fellow Oath Keepers come what may.


Jack Milone
Oath Keeper

For the Republic!
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on May 27, 2009, 12:05:50 pm
I have been a member of the Oath Keeper forum for a few weeks now and have yet to introduce myself.

I am a SGT in the U.S. Army reserve(14 years) and OEF veteran with the 10th Mountain.
With all the crazy things going on in the world and especially within our own government we must NOW stand up and defend our Constitution and way of life.
There has been many groups/organizations popping up lately to help save our republic but....................
OATH KEEPERS is the only one that I can get behind 100% NO politics, just the Constitution and our oath to it.

I will stand with my fellow Oath Keepers come what may.


Jack Milone
Oath Keeper

For the Republic!

Well said Sgt Milone.

Welcome Aboard

Have you posted a testimonial on the blog site ?
It is a pretty efficient way to Reach out and Inspire. [hint-hint]

It's good to have you with us Sir.

Stay Safe,

CaptGooch
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: CoolAunt on June 03, 2009, 09:51:24 am
I introduced myself to Oath Keepers at the Oath Keepers blog site yesterday. For the sake of efficiency or laziness (your pick), I'll simply paste that text here as my introduction to this board's members.

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I'm a civilian, a US citizen, born in Texas, as was my dad and his dad before him. I've lived all but one of my 45 years in Dallas county. We've always been at least a little different here in Texas, somewhat rebellious and, in some ways, a bit more independent or freedom-loving than some of our neighbors in other parts of the country. We're definitely more conservative, generally (they say a Democrat in Texas is identical to a Northeast Republican).

If you'd told me just a couple of years ago that what is happening now in this country would happen during my lifetime, I'd have thought you were full of sh!t. Forget convincing me it was coming within the next couple of years. Further, I've never been one to buy into conspiracy theories, to look for the worst or to think with pessimism.

Yet since last summer/fall, I've been nagged by a feeling of impending doom, that something big and awful is about to happen. I finally shared this feeling and, to back it up, the news I can glean from outside the sugar-coated BS the MSM feeds us with my boyfriend. Having been friends since high school and therefore knowing that I'm no Chicken Little, he believes me and we're taking steps necessary, preparing for what may (most likely will) soon take place. Without going into unnecessary and foolish detail here, let's just say we'll be marching with you if it comes to that.

On the brighter side, well, you in the military and law enforcement are the brighter side. Your words of commitment to the oath(s) you've taken help calm my fears and the sacrifices you've made, so so many with their very lives, help strengthen my resolve as an American and a Constitutionalist.

Like you, I hope that your numbers, supplemented by us non-military/law enforcement folks who pledge our commitment to the Constitution and The People, will be enough to prevent or stop any plans of action by those who'd like to abolish our Constitution and Country. Just the same, while I hope for the best, I'll prepare for the worst.

Incidentally, or coincidentally, my eldest nephew and the reason for my chosen handle, turned 18 last week and enlisted in the Navy. He's said since he was just a little guy that he was going into the armed services when he finishes high school. Funny how some people seem born to serve our country, isn't it? I think he'll make an excellent soldier. Of course, I'm very worried for him but I'm also very proud of him. And I do plan to send him the link to this site so, as young as he is, he'll know the right thing to do if that time and situation should come for him.

Again, although it's not the purpose of Oath Keepers and this site, I thank you so much for your public declaration of commitment to your oath to Country and Constitution. I can't say that I'm worthy of it but I can say that I'm very grateful for it.

Yours truly,
CoolAunt

So, thats me. And I already know a little a bout you from your posts here and at te Oath Keepers blog site.

Now, let's get to work.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on June 03, 2009, 10:30:59 am
Welcome Aboard CoolAunt.

I did answer your question on the other thread where you posted earlier.

Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: KennEThaRednecK on June 08, 2009, 04:12:29 am
I want to be an Oath-Keeper
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Klapton Isgod on June 08, 2009, 08:34:36 am
I want to be an Oath-Keeper

Then keep your oath.  If you are ever given one of the "10 Orders We Will Not Obey" - then refuse.  If you have sworn an Oath to support and defend the Constitution, and have not broken your oath, you ARE an Oath-Keeper.

Welcome.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Elias Alias on June 17, 2009, 02:00:48 am
CoolAunt,
Thanks so much for a lucid and powerful testimonial, and thank you for re-posting it here as well. I'd like to see others post their testimonials here even though they've already posted them up at the Oath Keepers' site.

I want to commend you for the spirit in your heart, and thank you for your excellent support of our movement. Like you, I'm greatly inspired by the many testimonials our law enforcement and military have shared. Good Americans, one and all! (You too!)

And a note to others here who've made their consciences and spirits of loyalty to the American people known, I want to welcome you all here, and thank you for carrying the torch of freedom. With such folks in the movement, Oath Keepers is showing every sign of being exactly the movement which America desperately needs right now. I'm deeply grateful to each of you.

Many blessings to every one of you!
Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: SteadyEddie on October 29, 2009, 02:22:51 pm
Hey there guys,

I joined Oath Keepers on October 7, 2009, but just got around to making my first post here.

And, just like CoolAunt in her post back before this one, I too am quite a lazy soul !

So I'm just 'cutting and pasting' my testimonial from the Oath Keepers main site and putting it here (isn't SLOTH one of the seven deadly sins? Crap!)

For what it's worth, here goes...

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The first time I raised my right hand and swore to my Oath was in February, 1970. I was a starry-eyed 17 year old Marine Corps recruit. I can still remember the goose bumps I got while I was listening to what I was swearing to protect and defend. I took that Oath very seriously, to the depths of my being.

Over the last four decades, I’ve sworn to that same Oath seven times during my two enlistments in the Marine Corps, enlistments in the North Carolina and Ohio National Guard, and twice as a Police Officer. I’m currently an active duty Police Officer in northeast Ohio.

Now, I’m 57 years old, not quite so starry-eyed anymore, but I STILL get those same goose bumps whenever I hear that Oath recited. I STILL feel it in the depths of my being.

Over those same four decades, I’ve watched as our Constitution has been disregarded, ridiculed, bypassed, and downright ignored by our Federal Government while they’ve been systematically slicing away at the rights and liberties of my fellow countrymen.

And, you know what?

I’m about TIRED of it.

It’s time to do something about it.

It’s time for us to stand up and be counted.

In the words of Gunny R. Lee Ermey, when he portrayed Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in the film “Full Metal Jacket”…

“SOUND OFF LIKE YOU GOT A PAIR!”

I’m ready.


Eddie Gilbert
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: freewoman on October 29, 2009, 02:48:40 pm
Welcome, SteadyEddie!  Keep yer powder dry.

(Gotta love that phrase--"Sound off like you got a pair"!  I'm glad to be in the company of men who've got 'em.  Too many guys have forgotten that they have 'em these days.)
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: fred.greek on October 29, 2009, 11:35:08 pm
To abuse a phrase perhaps used in too many speeches, loosely, perhaps individuals such as those who post their testimonials at the oath-keepers are the last-best hope for this republic, which even as it continues its slide may still be the last best hope for humanity.

Everyone who is or was a federal or state employee  has taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  For those you know who are know current federal employees, remind them that they are bound not only by their oath, but by statute, code of federal regulations, and executive order, to “…place loyalty to the Constitution, the laws and ethical principles above private gain...”  Private gain would include promotions or other job related "goodies" for ignoring their obligation.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: warbourne on December 08, 2009, 05:38:29 am
I'm not much for speechs.
I'm a...
Former sinner, turned believer in Christ
Husband unworthy of, and forever trying to do better for, the wonderful woman who stands beside me.
Diligently overprotective father
Patriot
Marine corps veteran
LEO

Just the order seems natural to me anyway.
I'm with you.
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: da gooch on December 10, 2009, 09:04:03 pm
Welcome aboard warbourne, SteadyEddie and anyone else that I may have missed while being way too involved over on the OK site.

Gooch
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Bernie on December 19, 2009, 06:49:44 pm
Wow! I remember when this place drove me crazy.  Now I come here to chill.  I shake my head and wonder at the Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  I am not bring here that which I run from. 

Welcome one and all to the Original Temporary Oath Keepers Forum. :tinfoil:
Title: Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
Post by: Bluelinegirl on December 19, 2009, 08:30:49 pm
Welcome brothers, come in and sit a spell