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Title: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Hillbilly123069 on March 29, 2009, 04:37:03 pm
Whether there are any states that have decreed they will not tolerate unconstitutional action?Out of city goes without saying.No military background but for someone with skills in small scale farming,and survival abilities to live off the land if necessary.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on April 15, 2009, 06:19:55 am
Whether there are any states that have decreed they will not tolerate unconstitutional action?Out of city goes without saying.No military background but for someone with skills in small scale farming,and survival abilities to live off the land if necessary.

Where is the ideal place to live? Far enough away to be out of it, but close enough to go in when you want to.
http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=21193.15

IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Ryan in Vegas on April 27, 2009, 10:50:15 pm
Here is a bit of insight from SurvivalBlog's creator, James Rawles:

http://www.survivalblog.com/retreatareas.html

According to him, Idaho is pretty ideal, apart from its cold winters and government-owned land:

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Low Very low crime rate. (For example, it ranks second from the bottom in car thefts of the 50 states.) Low property taxes. Inexpensive building permits. Minimally intrusive government. Inexpensive car registration ($20 to $50 per year, plus a one-time-only $15 plate fee.) Low car insurance rates. Low health insurance rates. Extremely low home insurance rates. (An average of $326 per year. Ranks #50 in the country!) The most wilderness area in any of the 48 Continental United States. (Only Alaska has more.) 21.6 million forested acres. Minimal gun laws. Class 3 guns (machineguns short barreled rifles and shotguns, and suppressors) are legal to own after the $200 Federal tax and background check. Open carry of handguns is legal and fairly commonplace. CCW permits must be issued unless someone has a prior criminal record. (“Non-discretionary.”) No CCW permit is required for concealed carry outside of city limits. Vehicular carry of loaded guns is legal and very common. Automatic knives are legal to own and carry. Minimally regulated home schooling. Low population density. Low elevation portions of the state have a fairly mild climate. Hunting and fishing are excellent in many parts of the state, so there will be no shortage of protein WTSHTF. High ratio of horse ownership, so I anticipate that transportation will be available in the event of a long term TEOTWAWKI. By 2025, Idaho is projected to be the 40th most populous with 1.7 million people. (It is currently the 39th most populous state.) Affordable property: The median home price for all of Idaho is $105,403.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: DirtyLowDown on May 12, 2009, 08:40:06 pm
Fellow Survivalists,

I can tell you this much: North Carolina is getting to be more like the Massachusetts of the South, as in Taxachusetts, as in People's Republic.  Nevertheless, it still does have some wonderful mountains and some great countryside in between cities.

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on May 12, 2009, 09:10:37 pm
DirtyLowDown,

I couldn't help but take notice of your signature line. AMEN!

Ya know, if you go to http://survivalrealty.com and just look at the world map for survival locations I truly do not think that where people want to "rush" to is the answer. Better, I think, to find a place you won't stick out like a sore thumb. When the powers and money that be collapse, those in your neighborhood will blame it on who? The strongest economy and food chain in the world is hardly known to anyone on this list. Far be it for me to rule anyone's thinking, but I wonder how well people ARE thinking? With a country armed to the teeth, enough to supply the armies of China and India, the two largest standing armies on earth, what is going to be left of such a war torn place? I believe with all my research over many, many years that the only safe place is Asia. Sorry, but that's what my research shows.

IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: socalserf on May 13, 2009, 08:28:25 am
My vote is for Wyoming.
The reasons can be found here.
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=24.0
This is a page of FAQ from the Free State Wyoming site.

I would have to mention that Montana and Idaho both look excellent too.

If your tastes run toward the Eastern Seaboard then New Hampshire is worth consideration.

It will depend on you and your needs and wants.

One size does NOT fit all.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: DirtyLowDown on May 13, 2009, 09:52:10 pm
Howdy, IndianBellRanch!

Your ranch sounds very wonderful...but what about the state of freedom in India?  So I understand, India is highly Socialistic economically and can be socially oppressive as well.  To cite just one example, the government of India, fearing the wrath of Islamofascists, had censored its citizens from reading The Jawa Report (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/) on the Internet.

And of course, I've heard that things like inter-caste violence still exists, on top on inter-religious violence between Muslims and Hindus.  None of the benefits can possibly be worth all of that.

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on May 13, 2009, 11:40:15 pm
Howdy, IndianBellRanch!

Your ranch sounds very wonderful...but what about the state of freedom in India?  So I understand, India is highly Socialistic economically and can be socially oppressive as well.  To cite just one example, the government of India, fearing the wrath of Islamofascists, had censored its citizens from reading The Jawa Report (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/) on the Internet.

And of course, I've heard that things like inter-caste violence still exists, on top on inter-religious violence between Muslims and Hindus.  None of the benefits can possibly be worth all of that.



Hi DirtyDown,

All those things are true! However, we have over ONE BILLION more people than you do. Naturally only "news worthy" items get the publicity. Your concerns are exactly why the last place I looked for freedom in an unfree world was India. Look around you now. How many Indians are in America in the hospitals, teachers, engineers, etc? They are very many and growing. There is an interesting phenomenon going on with a direct swapping of cultures.

In direct answer to your question about the state of freedom here: As you would probably agree, the best place is where there is little to no government at all. India is very much like that. It reminds me of the late 50's and early 1960's. There are laws, of course, and they are to be obeyed, but the personal freedom is very, very close to what it was in the early parts of the American experiment. Under certain situations I am freer than I ever was in America.

The food chain in India is probably the best in the world. It does not depend upon trucks. And neighbors for the most part would rather stay at peace with one another. The State of Maharashtra, where the ranch is, is the melting pot of all India and other nationalities, so there is a lot more freedom here than in most of the others.

One has to get around to know the truth about many places, but then I've always been willing to travel into areas the State Department said were "dangerous." Actually, I think they were dangerous, if you got too close to the trouble. But most people came and went without even knowing about the fear mongers stories.

If anyone is really interested in a survival place to sit out the wrath of God he could not do better than consider India. By the way, English is the legal and most widely spoken language as India is the largest English speaking country on the planet.

I don't know of any caste violence, but the caste culture is still hidden away in places, much the same as hatred against blacks is hidden away in our country. It's patently against the law, but still exists in small pockets.

Islam here is the peaceful variety and I have some very good Muslim friends. For reasons I won't get into here, I'm predicting the unification of Islamic Pakistan and Hindu India under an umbrella of Christianity before or just after 2020.

As for "mypetjawa" I hadn't heard anything of it until you mentioned it, but it might be a good idea not to allow a site that recommends that Muslims become human bombs before the age of 18, don'tcha think? I was able to get into the site, and they admit about 25 of the young kids WANT to so sacrifice themselves. Mostly, I think your concern is concern for the sake of concern alone. There is no such place left on the planet that will absolutely give us the expected comforts of life and leave us alone to do our own thing. I put India on the top of that present list.

All you need is a patch of ground and you can easily survive on what you can grow. We have allotted up to three families on one 3+ acre parcel. Comes with a brand new house with three separate or connected entries. Truly a desirable place to live. Get it ready for you and your kids and grandchildren.

IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: DirtyLowDown on May 14, 2009, 08:51:53 pm
Dear IndianBellRanch,

You wrote:

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As for "mypetjawa" I hadn't heard anything of it until you mentioned it, but it might be a good idea not to allow a site that recommends that Muslims become human bombs before the age of 18, don'tcha think? I was able to get into the site, and they admit about 25 of the young kids WANT to so sacrifice themselves. Mostly, I think your concern is concern for the sake of concern alone.

I didn't see that particular posting on The Jawa Report, but I'm sure it was facetiously meant, since The Jawa Report is blisteringly critical of the ways of Islamofascists, including their use of children as dynamite fodder.

Anywho, I wish you the best of luck with your ranch in India.  For now, at least, I'm sticking it out and fighting for freedom in the United States.  If I ever did leave the country, it would only be to regroup, gather up a posse, and take the United States from any taskmasters in its future.

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on May 14, 2009, 09:56:11 pm
Dear IndianBellRanch,

You wrote:

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Anywho, I wish you the best of luck with your ranch in India.  For now, at least, I'm sticking it out and fighting for freedom in the United States.  If I ever did leave the country, it would only be to regroup, gather up a posse, and take the United States from any taskmasters in its future.


And that is exactly the idea. But you have to survive if you're going to be any good to help. I believe that will come sometime after 2020. Some point up to there will get pretty hot.

Best, IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: thirteenfox on June 20, 2009, 09:45:29 am
IBR,

It's easy to make the case for India, because you have a direct vested interest in trying to sell the land on your ranch. I have CNN on right now, and the Maoist guerillas are on an offensive in India. Now, this might be on the other side of the country, but I'm pretty sure that A) you HAVE MAOIST GUERILLAS B) and that this sort of thing is not exactly indicative of a country that is stable. Not to mention the chances of Pakistan devolving and launching nukes into India, even if it's a 1/10,000 chance (I'm betting it's greater), is still less then the chances of me getting nuked outside Kalispell, or in the Idaho Panhandle, etc.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on June 20, 2009, 10:22:38 am
IBR,

It's easy to make the case for India, because you have a direct vested interest in trying to sell the land on your ranch. I have CNN on right now, and the Maoist guerillas are on an offensive in India. Now, this might be on the other side of the country, but I'm pretty sure that A) you HAVE MAOIST GUERILLAS B) and that this sort of thing is not exactly indicative of a country that is stable. Not to mention the chances of Pakistan devolving and launching nukes into India, even if it's a 1/10,000 chance (I'm betting it's greater), is still less then the chances of me getting nuked outside Kalispell, or in the Idaho Panhandle, etc.
Hi Fox!

You make some good points as far as they go. The natural infrastructure prevents Maoists from getting any closer than Brazil is to America in real time. The newly elected government for the second time (Congress Party), made some real dents in their insurrections this last voting period that the International press even acknowledged. Pakistani Muslims with the same atomic bomb power India has is another story. And for reasons I can speak about here on such a public place, lemme just state that unification (as unthinkable as it is for most people right now) should be a very big reality before 2020. They're all Indians, right? That might give you some clues. That and the fact ******************************* is about all I can say about that right now. HOWEVER, the biggest point is that after living on five continents and six islands of the world, I chose India as the best and safest for my own skin. I believe anything even in the same hemisphere shared by America is going to be way, WAY too close for my skin. I love the country you've mentioned, have relatives in Kalispell and Spokane, but wouldn't trust it with MY skin. There are too many "terrorist radicals" in those areas, so thinks my uncle and yours.

Anyhoo, I'm looking for retired people that want to have a survival place when the first shot is fired for their kids and grandchildren. It makes a LOT of sense to them.

All the best,

IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: thirteenfox on June 20, 2009, 10:32:33 am
IBR,

My point wasn't the physical proximity of the guerillas, but that when you have any sort of Maoist/Communist activity, it's usually indicative of major societal imbalance- wether it's due to the caste system, a kleptocracy, institutionalized corruption, etc. It also shows me that there is a portion of that society that feels the only way it can overcome this imbalance is by guerilla warfare. There's no Maoist guerillas in America. Why? Because there's still at least a semblance of a meritocracy, and people feel that they can get ahead by non-violent, mainstream ways. Armed insurrections are a pretty good gauge of a countrys health (or lack thereof).

The idea that Pakistan (Muslim majority) will reunite with India (Hindu Majority) under the umbrella of a tiny Christian minority is beyond absurd, and if it did happen, it would destabilize both countries to an extent previously only seen in the Middle East (I'd expect to see both Muslim and Hindu extremists to pick up the banner of holy war immediately). Religion trumps race. Don't believe me? Ask the Serbs and Croatians. Or even the Palestinians and the Israelis. Oh hell, look at Iraq at the Sunnis and Shi'a. They're both the same religion AND race, and they can't even get along.


As for terrorists in Western Montana, I'll be sure to keep a sharp lookout.

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on June 20, 2009, 11:05:58 am
Fox,

You're comparing apples to oranges. These are all 3rd world, developing nations around here. Just like when there were red Indian raiding parties out west. No difference at all.

Remember, too, that IBR is probably more for the retired man than a youngster.

The rest I won't argue with you except as to MY SKIN's reactions to a sudden rash. ;-)

As for terrorists in Western Montana, hope they won't mistake you for one.

Best!

IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: thirteenfox on June 20, 2009, 11:34:34 am
Fox,

You're comparing apples to oranges. These are all 3rd world, developing nations around here. Just like when there were red Indian raiding parties out west. No difference at all.

Remember, too, that IBR is probably more for the retired man than a youngster.

The rest I won't argue with you except as to MY SKIN's reactions to a sudden rash. ;-)

As for terrorists in Western Montana, hope they won't mistake you for one.

Best!

IBR

India's per capita income: India  $2,800 (2008 est.) 
Iraq  $4,000 (2008 est.)
Serbia  $10,900 (2008 est.) 
Israel  $28,200 (2008 est.) 

Source:  http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html  (http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html)

Iraq has a higher per capita income then India. 'nuff said about which countries are developing, third world countries.

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on June 20, 2009, 12:14:28 pm
I don't get your point. It looks like we agree. The figures are annual figures and are pretty close to what I believe them to be. So, again, they're all developing countries around here and just like I said. The US is at about $47,000 average for the year.

Best,

IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: thirteenfox on June 20, 2009, 03:13:31 pm
IBR,

I'm just trying to point out the fact that India is a third world country, that is going to have alot of sectarian strife over the years to come. Not exactly the best place to bug out too, or relocate, by anyones standards.

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: jessme on July 15, 2009, 11:07:38 pm
If you have enough money, anyplace is good. I want to know a place in the US that has mild winters and mild laws..like allowing medical marijuana, and not having outrageous real estate costs or blizzards...where would that be?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: bubba3354 on July 22, 2009, 07:12:03 pm
IBR,

I'm just trying to point out the fact that India is a third world country, that is going to have alot of sectarian strife over the years to come. Not exactly the best place to bug out too, or relocate, by anyones standards.



Bingo.

I've been to A-Stan, which is in the neighborhood.  Lotsa bad folks there that don't much care for westerners as a general rule. 

Thanks but no thanks on the India thing.  I'd just as soon take my chances here.  The US might not be perfect, but I'd sooner die fighting FOR this place than some 3rd world hole.  I owe that much to the Founders of the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on July 22, 2009, 08:22:57 pm
https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgqtv9ff_275hfp46qcd&hl=en
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on July 22, 2009, 08:54:39 pm
IBR,

I'm just trying to point out the fact that India is a third world country, that is going to have alot of sectarian strife over the years to come. Not exactly the best place to bug out too, or relocate, by anyones standards.



Bingo.

I've been to A-Stan, which is in the neighborhood.  Lotsa bad folks there that don't much care for westerners as a general rule. 

Thanks but no thanks on the India thing.  I'd just as soon take my chances here.  The US might not be perfect, but I'd sooner die fighting FOR this place than some 3rd world hole.  I owe that much to the Founders of the greatest nation the world has ever seen.

Hey Bubba,

Heh! I think you need a geography lesson and a little help with anthropology. You do realize, don't you, that Afghani's are a completely different race? Also, do you remember on the map where Afghanistan really is?

"In the neighborhood???" 

That reminds me of European's who think they're going to take a vacation to America and see all the bright spots. First, New York City! Oh, yeah! Then the Rockies of Colorado. Miami's beaches are a must, and Disney World and Hollywood are absolute. They don't have a clue how far those distances are from each other.

Having lived, however, on 5 continents and 6 islands of the world I have to say, in a friendly way, that you're thinking is muddled by insanity. I have no doubt you're going to die if it becomes necessary to fight on our home soil against so called "Americans."

I'm not sure about your forefathers, but mine left homeland, fathers and their graves for the undertaking of preserving life, liberty and happiness. If dying is your pursuit I have little doubt that you will achieve it.

Now, I have not intended on making you angry. To think, yes! Having "been in the neighborhood" doesn't equate with what you can see right here: https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgqtv9ff_275hfp46qcd&hl=en
 
Indian Bell Ranch mostly appeals to the retired persons. So far, all of us having an interest in it ARE in or past retirement. Gray hair also has a bit to do with wisdom (usually), and if what you dream of as a survival plantation is not IBR, then I'd probably be interested. All the objections that have been leveled against India are completely unfounded or I wouldn't be here. Again, this is an opportunity for maturity and a shelter for your unthinking children and grandchildren when the time comes.

All the best!

IBR

I suggest you not blame your forefathers for the ignorance you display. AND I say this kindly, but sincerely.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: bubba3354 on July 22, 2009, 09:01:51 pm
?Remember Mumbai?  hows about Kashmir

The  screaming beards would run roughshod through your ranch.  They'd see "Soft Target", and then the rape and murder would commence.

They're not scared of our FOBs, hell, they know it's suicide and the dumb bastards still attack us.

An outpost of civilians within striking distance would be toast.  I'm not trying to belittle your idea, it's just not overly practical in my opinion.  Short of having an MEU protect it, and then they'd still get away with mortaring you whenever they feel like it....
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on July 22, 2009, 09:04:24 pm
Bubba,

It just occurred to me that you may not even realize the difference between a war and peace. America is going to be fighting another civil war. To even be near that kind of a situation would be more than I'd be interested in. When the very first super market's shelves are emptied, that will be the first shot heard round the world, and unless you have actually experienced that, you cannot be ready for the feeling of it when it comes. I have had that experience. It is instantaneous shock and panic.

If you know of a place that offers what IBR has, I'd seriously like to know, because I don't think it is available anywhere else. I was shocked to find it here, but that's why I'm not leaving.

IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on July 22, 2009, 09:07:11 pm
?Remember Mumbai?  hows about Kashmir

The  screaming beards would run roughshod through your ranch.  They'd see "Soft Target", and then the rape and murder would commence.

They're not scared of our FOBs, hell, they know it's suicide and the dumb bastards still attack us.

An outpost of civilians within striking distance would be toast.  I'm not trying to belittle your idea, it's just not overly practical in my opinion.  Short of having an MEU protect it, and then they'd still get away with mortaring you whenever they feel like it....
Heh! That's like saying, "Remember OKC? Or remember 9-11?"

Crossing the street anywhere in the world can be dangerous. But we're talking about survival here. Plus you know nothing of the natives. You'd have to meet them to know them. They HONOR us like we were God.

IBR
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: bubba3354 on July 22, 2009, 09:13:54 pm
You're probably right.  You already know everything, so who am I to criticize?

Good luck on that.  May it be the incarnation of Galt's Gulch itself.

I just SINCERELY hope that we're never deployed to bail y'all out.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: jessme on July 24, 2009, 02:55:18 am
I like the fact that I live in a small town in rural Oklahoma, otherwise known as Kiamichi country. It has it's bad points (like a good ole boy cop system that is corrupt to put it mildly), but it is also a good place to raise kids, and there is no need for highschoolers to go through metal detecters on their way to class. The ocassional tornado and ice storm is all we have to worry about (unless of course the shit really hits the fan, in which case, we are all pretty much screwed. Another thing I don't like about OK is their barbaric laws against marijuana. For that last reason, my son and I have talked it over, and he is at least considering the possibiilty of a move when he graduates high school. The only bummer with free stats is they are either very snowy in winter, or just too damn overpopulated. I think we will see if we can handle a cold winter next year, lol.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on July 24, 2009, 04:57:00 am
The  screaming beards would run roughshod through your ranch.  They'd see "Soft Target", and then the rape and murder would commence.


Are you nucking futs?!

The liberty minded tend to be a part of gun culture.
IE... not a "soft target".

soft target would be like, the middle of somewhere where people don't believe in guns. Like new jersey.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: bubba3354 on July 25, 2009, 09:13:45 am

Are you nucking futs?!

The liberty minded tend to be a part of gun culture.
IE... not a "soft target".

soft target would be like, the middle of somewhere where people don't believe in guns. Like new jersey.


Owning guns and being liberty minded counts for absolutely nothing, if you don't have the software upstairs to properly use them.

Without an actual security force, you're easy pickings for ANYONE who knows what they're doing.  And as I said before, that doesn't stop them from messing with actual military installations.  You're a soft, high value target.

 Your average haji may be crude and primitive, but they've managed to thump 2 of the world's superpowers in the past 30 odd years by sheer orneriness and attrition.

And that's all I have to say on this matter, because I'm fairly sure it's falling on deaf ears anyhow.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on July 25, 2009, 01:28:47 pm
So you don't think that we can be just as ornery?
You have severely underestimated some people at least.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: jamie on July 25, 2009, 02:22:54 pm
I pretty much agree with bubba3354 ( is that your m.o.s. ? )   If there is  worldwide disruption, India will be affected.  A foreign enclave with no small arms, no defense plan and no dedicated security  adds up to soft target.  Even with that, you would likely still  be a soft target and definitely a high value target that might be worth the risk. I don't see how a concentrated group of fairly to very well off foreigners could be anything else.

The expatriate Americans in Mexico got a surprise during the Mexican Revolution  as just one example. They probably thought they were secure as well.

  India  has a billion people and the internal contradictions and potential and present problems are at least as high as they are here, or higher.  Ongoing religious wars and tension between Sikh, Muslim and Hindu aren't going away soon and neither are the regional problems with Pakistan and China.

 The advantage here is that you are the armed indigenous.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: da gooch on July 25, 2009, 03:26:50 pm
So you don't think that we can be just as ornery?
You have severely underestimated some people at least.


Don't get all bent out of shape here Gaurd Duck but I don't think bubba3354 was belittling anybodies inherent orneriness.

The inference that I took was the localized thinking [mind programming usually called religion] of the folks in the middle asian continent area.  Namely that human life is not so very important for several reasons.
A - There are literally Billions of them in an area better suited to Millions. [overcrowding - mostly in the cities]
B - Their religions all promise either:
     1-  a quick trip to Paradise where they will be served by sex slaves with the Best the Earth has to offer OR
     2- Rebirth in this world with a possibility of bettering your social, political, financial status OR
     3- Rebirth into a much better world. [Heaven, Paradise, Nirvana, you choose a label]

So ....
Why would they not be willing to run right into the guns and onto the bayonets ?
If they win the fight .... they win the fight.
If they lose .... They Win even bigger.

See ?
I really don't think bubba3354 was denigrating the american level of orneriness.
I think he was making an example of the difference of thinking of the average person.
[Not the Elite with a high level of formal education.  Such as the Brahmin, Mullahs, et cetera ]

Am I close Bubba ?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: IndianBellRanch on July 25, 2009, 11:35:32 pm
I pretty much agree with bubba3354 ( is that your m.o.s. ? )   If there is  worldwide disruption, India will be affected.  A foreign enclave with no small arms, no defense plan and no dedicated security  adds up to soft target.  Even with that, you would likely still  be a soft target and definitely a high value target that might be worth the risk. I don't see how a concentrated group of fairly to very well off foreigners could be anything else.

The expatriate Americans in Mexico got a surprise during the Mexican Revolution  as just one example. They probably thought they were secure as well.

  India  has a billion people and the internal contradictions and potential and present problems are at least as high as they are here, or higher.  Ongoing religious wars and tension between Sikh, Muslim and Hindu aren't going away soon and neither are the regional problems with Pakistan and China.

 The advantage here is that you are the armed indigenous.
. . . but just as dead, Jamie -- whether you're the native or the foreigner. But as an American, you're probably all dead, aren't you really? My thoughts are to get as far away from harm's way as is possible. Half way around the world is as far as one can get.  I'm actually a little surprised by such a reply coming from as well a seasoned mentalmilitia as you.

Out of a 1.3 billion people (to be exact) come a complete roster of people you have completely left out of the equation. Not very scientific. Mexico, as your example, was duck soup simple because the Mexicans tend to be of one faith and agenda and the Americans forgot the Alamo. Now, they may well take back their lands at the ballot box than by firing a shot.

Religious wars in India have been tested pretty well since Gandhi and you're not considering that factor at all. You would have to spend more than a vacation period to understand what the real deal is. It's a lot, LOT more than just poke a pagan or superstitionist. As I have said before, it wasn't until my third trip here that I got my eyes open. I was lucky, because by that time I KNEW the right questions to ask. That being said, I'm happy to discuss my religious beliefs and give answers, but I will not answer one question as to how we will combat any potential "religious" persecution question with anyone who does not come have a serious look for themselves. Beware, we have a very toothy non disclosure agreement. Nuff said there.

It's easy for me to just say you're wrong, and I'm not going to do that, because it would be incumbent upon me to proved the reason you're wrong. Whoops! There goes security! Please understand. However, I also encourage your objections to test my theories and see if I've left something out or haven't anticipated a potential problem.

You speak of world wide disruption and how India will be effected, but you neglect major points. ONE truck strike in the US (for whatever reasons), will be far more disruptive to America than any of the other countries in the world. India as of special consideration does not depend on trucks for food distribution. Gandhi died before he knew anything of such merchandizing, but he DID understand merchandizing better than anyone I've ever read. There will be no food shortage here, because everyone grows food, and everyone sells what they have left over at local (easy to walk to) markets. Yes, India will be affected by the world wide disruption, but you should focus on where that disruption is going to come from. Ahem! It will not be coming from India, but from the good ol' US of A.

Foreigners are ALWAYS a threat to local people, and we are no exception and we KNOW it. However, wisdom comes with years and experience and not from theorizing. Knowing this, as we do, this has figured very heavily into our plan. It's not widely available for public dissemination, thank you.

I'd like to mention this information not necessary to be repeated by people who have global traveling experiences. There is usually a lot less border problems involved with what you called, "regional" problems but mentioned Pakistan and China. Please do get out a map and study it for Pete's sake.

And "Soft Targets" have to be determined by more than "just the way it looks." Soft means soft, looks means nothing. A normal looking house in a normal looking neighborhood could have been built as a complete fortress -- though it probably isn't, but you should get my drift. A tiny piece of that secret is revealed in our sales info.

Lastly, "the armed indigenous" you're referring to meant the "armed natives." Heh! Let's just leave that one alone for now. He, heh!

Do me favor. Read the "sales information" and come up with something we haven't thought of yet.

All the best,

IBR

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: da gooch on July 25, 2009, 11:53:54 pm
To get back to the original question ....

YEP.  Right where YOU decide it is.
It will be ideal in as far as how you "see" it and its potentialities.

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on July 26, 2009, 01:14:53 am
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Where is the ideal place to live?

South Island, New Zealand.
Good weather, great scenery, good soil, national pastimes are distilling and zorbing.
Also have distant relations in Auckland.






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Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: da gooch on July 26, 2009, 12:09:36 pm
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Where is the ideal place to live?

South Island, New Zealand.
Good weather, great scenery, good soil, national pastimes are distilling and zorbing.
Also have distant relations in Auckland.






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NZ= Horrible gun laws.
As in = you cannot own unless you are a LEO.
Or so I am led to understand.

edit spellink korrection
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: SoundTheBell on July 26, 2009, 12:19:08 pm
Not to mention the 7.8 earthquake that rocked the country this month, caused tsunami warnings, and moved the southern tip of the country an entire foot in a few seconds.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090722/ap_on_re_au_an/as_new_zealand_quake_movement
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on July 26, 2009, 02:28:36 pm
NZ= Horrible gun laws.
As in = you cannot own unless you are a LEO.
Or so I am led to understand.

edit spellink korrection


I break the law here on a regular basis, how would NZ be any different?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: da gooch on July 26, 2009, 02:56:02 pm
1- They will inspect any packages you bring in-country with the shape of a long arm.
2- They will prosecute if you are caught.  For Both violations. Importation and falsification of documents regarding same.
3- They can deport you as a felon which makes you real unpopular at any border you approach thereafter.
4- There is nowhere to buy a long arm in-country. [legally]

In my world .... removing hassle [all kinds] and its causes is one of my main goals.

YMMV

I'm not telling you to do or not do anything .... just pointing out the obvious.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on July 26, 2009, 04:31:41 pm
I smuggled alcohol in private school,
I simply need to change the method to accommodate the metal parts.
I can always whittle a new stock.
Stills are perfectly legal there.
A reflux still with the gun parts fastened inside would fool x-ray machines.
Some coffee would fool bomb/gunpowder sniffing dogs.

Then again I could do the cheap and simple thing and build my own guns from my Home Workshop Guns books.

Though I've also considered the Alaskan bush.
Pert near anarchy there.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Today's Tom Sawyer on July 26, 2009, 07:55:47 pm
ONE truck strike in the US (for whatever reasons), will be far more disruptive to America than any of the other countries in the world.


Sir, I can tell you that a truck strike in America is well-nigh impossible. 

Believe me, with all the harassment and bullcrap we have to put up with, it's been mentioned--repeatedly and with great vigor.  But truckers are like libertarians; you can't get us all to agree on anything.  If a nationwide trucker strike actually happens, I'll eat my motorcycle.   :shakehead:

That said, I'm watching your posts with interest.  You're bringing up some thoughts that I think people need to hear.   :headscratch:
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Klapton Isgod on July 26, 2009, 08:09:19 pm
The "nationwide truck strike" will happen when hyperinflation makes it impossible for them to buy fuel.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: da gooch on July 27, 2009, 01:03:44 pm
The "nationwide truck strike" will happen when hyperinflation makes it impossible for them the independent truckers to buy fuel.


Just a little clarification there Klapton.

Uncle Sugar will have some sort of benefit program for the trucking industry as long as they sign the slavery agreement. :contract:

Then Uncle Sugar [Komrade Sveetness ?] will "own" that industry as well.

Only the truly independent Independents  will be "shut out".

Or I miss my guess.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: MsSage on July 27, 2009, 01:41:34 pm
The "nationwide truck strike" will happen when hyperinflation makes it impossible for them the independent truckers to buy fuel.


Just a little clarification there Klapton.

Uncle Sugar will have some sort of benefit program for the trucking industry as long as they sign the slavery agreement. :contract:

Then Uncle Sugar [Komrade Sveetness ?] will "own" that industry as well.

Only the truly independent Independents  will be "shut out".

Or I miss my guess.
They have already started the program.......its called SmartWay. What that does is give the trucking companies a "tax break" for the coming taxes added on the fuel. As long as they agree to go "Green" uuugggg
I hate to say this but if your not part of a BIG trucking company you will not survive the cap & trade or the upcoming BS.
As for a nation wide truker strick LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL PLEASE it hurts when I fall out of my chair laughing.  Good GAWD you cant get 5 truckers to agree to the right exit number to take. They will argue for hours ...and most are sitting at the truck stop and can see the exit sign but they are too busy yapping on the CB.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: incognito91564 on July 30, 2009, 08:57:12 pm
The "nationwide truck strike" will happen when hyperinflation makes it impossible for them the independent truckers to buy fuel.


Just a little clarification there Klapton.

Uncle Sugar will have some sort of benefit program for the trucking industry as long as they sign the slavery agreement. :contract:

Then Uncle Sugar [Komrade Sveetness ?] will "own" that industry as well.

Only the truly independent Independents  will be "shut out".

Or I miss my guess.
They have already started the program.......its called SmartWay. What that does is give the trucking companies a "tax break" for the coming taxes added on the fuel. As long as they agree to go "Green" uuugggg
I hate to say this but if your not part of a BIG trucking company you will not survive the cap & trade or the upcoming BS.
As for a nation wide truker strick LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL PLEASE it hurts when I fall out of my chair laughing.  Good GAWD you cant get 5 truckers to agree to the right exit number to take. They will argue for hours ...and most are sitting at the truck stop and can see the exit sign but they are too busy yapping on the CB.

ROFLMAO!!!  You are so right.  ((re: truckers and agreeing))  I team with my SO and we can't even agree and we drive the same truck!  Of course, usually he realizes that I'm the one who's right ;) 

We are currently leased on to a company and the past couple weeks have been horrid when it comes to miles.  :( :(  We had been discussing taking the plunge and getting our own authority but.... I dunno, with the way the economy is going I'm not so sure that's a good idea.

Anyway, just needed to add my $0.02 worth (even though being an IC don't leave me much change!).
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Today's Tom Sawyer on August 01, 2009, 11:41:57 am
The "nationwide truck strike" will happen when hyperinflation makes it impossible for them the independent truckers to buy fuel.


Just a little clarification there Klapton.

Uncle Sugar will have some sort of benefit program for the trucking industry as long as they sign the slavery agreement. :contract:

Then Uncle Sugar [Komrade Sveetness ?] will "own" that industry as well.

Only the truly independent Independents  will be "shut out".

Or I miss my guess.

I'm thinking that's the plan.  The last thing they want is independent truckers.

Or independent anyone.   :angry:
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Moonbeam on August 07, 2009, 02:11:21 pm
*sigh* Am I the only one planning to hunker down in TN?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 07, 2009, 03:13:22 pm
If I could afford to move, but not to the place that I prefer, then Tennessee would be great. I even have some friends there.
Besides, y'all got Graceland.
(http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/museums_celebrities/image/graceland.jpg)

A moonshiner twenty-something with an Elvis record collection would fit right in in that state.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: saber69 on August 08, 2009, 05:36:12 am
I live in Michigan :angry: in the summer but come November I go back home to Punta Gorda  FL :mellow: the Gulf of Mexico is a smörgåsbord  of food we also have  wild pigs running around, so for weather it's great, food great and the people down there are very welcoming.   
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Moonbeam on August 08, 2009, 01:55:09 pm
Oh Lordy GD! You should see the neighborhood this mansion is in!!! Sounds like you'd do well on the eastern side of the state? :)

PS - I haven't drank moonshine in a coon's age!
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 08, 2009, 04:00:34 pm
What's a "coon's age"?

Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: coloradohermit on August 08, 2009, 05:26:51 pm
coon's age (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Coons%20Age)
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Normally raccoons live roughly 5-6 years in the wild. However once in awhile you will find a big grizzly one that is about 15-16 years old. This my friends, is what you call a "coon's age".
I've had that dog for a coons age, I wouldn't give it up.
 
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 08, 2009, 06:41:48 pm
Just how OLD is Moonbeam?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Moonbeam on August 08, 2009, 11:53:27 pm
Just how OLD is Moonbeam?

I'm (*Moonbeam gets transported to the Land of Oz so she can ask for a younger birthdate on her driver's license*)
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: socalserf on August 09, 2009, 01:20:40 am
Just how OLD is Moonbeam?

Now GD, a gentleman never asks a lady her age.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 09, 2009, 02:30:12 am
I didn't ask her...
And I was just kidding.
It was kind of a rhetorical question.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Moonbeam on August 09, 2009, 02:35:56 pm
Just how OLD is Moonbeam?

Now GD, a gentleman never asks a lady her age.

Or her weight!
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Moonbeam on August 09, 2009, 02:38:43 pm
Just how OLD is Moonbeam?

Age doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. Sometimes it's who you know and what they teach you. I've been privileged enough to have been around people from all walks of life...
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: da gooch on August 09, 2009, 05:04:54 pm
Well said Moonbeam.

Why I myself am 61 going on 15 ....  :rolleyes:

and then some days I'm 61 going on 101.  :ph34r:

Maybe its just my curmudgeon-ness recycling itself.  :dontknow:

crabby appleton  er .... capting gooch


edit to add:  "Where is the ideal place to live?" ....
Purt near anyplace above ground seems pretty good to me most days ....
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 09, 2009, 08:32:15 pm
Well said Moonbeam.

Why I myself am 61 going on 15 ....  :rolleyes:

and then some days I'm 61 going on 101.  :ph34r:

Maybe its just my curmudgeon-ness recycling itself.  :dontknow:

crabby appleton  er .... capting gooch


edit to add:  "Where is the ideal place to live?" ....
Purt near anyplace above ground seems pretty good to me most days ....

I'd have thought a house boat for the Cap'n.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: da gooch on August 09, 2009, 09:00:18 pm
Well said Moonbeam.

Why I myself am 61 going on 15 ....  :rolleyes:

and then some days I'm 61 going on 101.  :ph34r:

Maybe its just my curmudgeon-ness recycling itself.  :dontknow:

crabby appleton  er .... capting gooch


edit to add:  "Where is the ideal place to live?" ....
Purt near anyplace above ground seems pretty good to me most days ....

I'd have thought a house boat for the Cap'n.

Well now IF someone was going to Provide me with my "Ideal" place it would be a smallish plot of land [10 acres thanks] in Montana, Idaho and Washington with a larger one [50 tree covered acres please] in Texas [each with its own water well drilled and proven] with a 60 foot schooner rigged scow style barge with a diesel powered yawl to go with it.
I'll figure out the transport north/south as the geese determine the seasons.

Since you asked .... [sorta]   :rolleyes:

BUT yeah I'd accept a houseboat although I wouldn't buy one.  [I'd build it instead. Better quality materials and construction techniques.]
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: cole on August 10, 2009, 02:50:00 pm
This is my third year in Fairbanks, Alaska, and I love it here.  Sure, the summers are fairly short and the winters are quite miserable, but I must say... this place is alright.

No sales/income tax, land is aplenty, and there's a pretty high percentage of individuals who value hard work and individuality.

Oregon is home, but Alaska ain't bad either.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 10, 2009, 03:31:00 pm
This is my third year in Fairbanks, Alaska, and I love it here.  Sure, the summers are fairly short and the winters are quite miserable, but I must say... this place is alright.

No sales/income tax, land is aplenty, and there's a pretty high percentage of individuals who value hard work and individuality.

Oregon is home, but Alaska ain't bad either.

How're things in the panhandle?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: cole on August 10, 2009, 04:08:44 pm
Well the panhandle's a fair click south of me, but it's beautiful up here this time of year.

This year, the main problem is the million or so acres that are burning.  Smoke was horrible this time of year, people were walking around with masks (not that they help :P) and there were air advisory warnings.  Things are clearing up here now, but it's not over yet.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Kregener on August 10, 2009, 04:45:00 pm
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/Kregener/aacont2.jpg

Fallout map...   :mellow:
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 10, 2009, 05:15:54 pm
Well the panhandle's a fair click south of me, but it's beautiful up here this time of year.

This year, the main problem is the million or so acres that are burning.  Smoke was horrible this time of year, people were walking around with masks (not that they help :P) and there were air advisory warnings.  Things are clearing up here now, but it's not over yet.

That's a big fire. You should buy stock in marshmallows, chocolate bars, and graham crackers.

I was asking 'bout the pan handle because it just seems to have the best weather.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: cole on August 10, 2009, 05:24:40 pm
The downside to living in the southern part of Alaska is that where it is warmer, there is more snowfall come winter time.  Their overall lows, however, are higher than up here in the interior.  It's a trade-off, really.  If I had to choose, I'd live further south toward Anchorage, but not one of the islands like Sitka or Ketchikan, though. 
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 10, 2009, 05:30:10 pm
What's wrong with the islands?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: cole on August 10, 2009, 06:35:52 pm
Just a personal preference, is all.  As far as consumer goods go, everything is flown in (pretty much the same in the interior too -- what isn't grown is shipped, usually air freight from what I understand).  My wife hates islands, so I'm stuck with the mainlanders.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on August 10, 2009, 07:40:28 pm
Ooohhh...
I see.
I like islands.
And living on one has been a lifelong dream.
The way I figure it, a cabin and a few green houses, and some Swiss goats, and a bigger moonshine still.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: socalserf on August 10, 2009, 08:28:10 pm
I lived in Ketchikan for over a year.
I really liked it.
If I had a girlfriend I would never have left, but you know young men, one track minds and all.
IIRC the precipitation was 160 inch's per year, but there were two weather systems, pouring rain/snow or bright and beautiful sunshine(in winter combined with freezing cold clear sky gales.)
There was tons of seafood, Salmon, halibut, crabs, shrimp, bottom fish, clams, limpets, sea cucumber, and of course lots of small black tail deer. The state allowed a GENEROUS subsistence allowance for residents, not many people bought protein.
I was lucky enough to get a job on one of the few fishing boats in town that worked year round.
I even had my own Paulsbo skiff (also known as a Point Baker Skiff).
If only I had more sense.....
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: cole on August 10, 2009, 09:12:52 pm
Alaska's great, I really like it up here.  The wife and I are both in the army and we'll be leaving in April.  I'll miss this place (not the winters, that's for sure).

I agree with ya Duck... all I need is a warm cabin and some land and I'd be happy.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Lorenzo Poe on August 20, 2009, 06:50:41 pm
If the USA would collapse, Alaska is much too close to Russia for comfort.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on December 15, 2009, 09:23:41 am
How is the McGrath area? I am looking into that area because fishing the river could be good income/food.


There would be a palisade around my place if I do end up in predator land.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on December 16, 2009, 07:37:19 pm
What is a DLP scenario?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on December 17, 2009, 09:56:51 pm
So what do you do with a dlp bear?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: Who...me? on December 18, 2009, 12:15:14 am
If you are not planning on reporting it...walk the other way and just leave it where it fell.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on December 18, 2009, 01:35:17 pm
What if it falls right in front of your house or thereabouts? Wouldn't that attract other predators and smell funky after a while?
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: GoNative on December 18, 2009, 01:41:54 pm
If there is a bear dead in your front yard, it wont be hard to tell a game warden that it was self defense of life or property. The only case of 'leave it where it lay' is middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Where is the ideal place to live?
Post by: gaurdduck on December 18, 2009, 06:42:04 pm
Okay. Thanks Blueghost.