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Title: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: tex703 on April 23, 2009, 04:03:48 pm
I have a question that I can't find an answer too or find a book or website to help me out.

I was that 70%er and now I am moving towards that 80-90%er.  I know I have joined the game late, but later than never.  My question is "how would I go about fortifying my home in an urban setting?"  I live in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area in a small city of about 50,000.  Dallas is about a 30-35 minute drive Northeast and Ft.Worth is about a 25 minute drive Northwest from where I live.  I  am prepareing a 1-5 month supply of food and supplies and the like in firearms/ammo.

I am concerned b/c it would be me and my wife and most likely my sister-in-law, her husband and 2 small children.  Right now I can't spend mucho $$ to buy acres and a retreat house, so I would have to use my home in my development. 

Are there others in my same situation????

The only other recourse would be to travel 6 hours south to Bandera, Tx where my wife's Uncle&Aunt have a 500 acre ranch, but I can't stock up their ranch.  I just hunt there on occassions.

Also, it is all me doing this.  My wife doesn't think anything will happen and others I know just don't think about this or what could happen (economic collapse).  My parents think it will happen and so do I.

Any help would be great.    And oh ya.....They built that new Cowboy stadium 25 minutes up the road from my house...what a pain thats going to be soon!
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Who...me? on April 23, 2009, 05:08:57 pm
Hi Tex and welcome.
 I think that your questions would take several days to answer. I see from another of your posts that you are familiar with SurvivalBlog.com and JWR. Many of your questions can be answered there. Many more can be found in our gulching/self-sufficiency page found here.

http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?board=18.0

I see that your wife is not on board with preparedness and think that maybe you will find some answer to that problem here.

http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=19698.0

As to your question;
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My question is "how would I go about fortifying my home in an urban setting?"

I/we would need more info on your home. I see that you live in a development, How big. How many houses/people. How big is your lot? What is your house constructed from?
The easiest solution is sandbags...lots of them.

I see your wife's aunt and uncle have a ranch. How do they feel about preparedness? Keep in mind that being prepared doesn't necessarily have to mean the end of the world or an economic collapse. Think Hurricane Rita and the problems it caused.

Anyway read up on those couple posts and feel free to ask any questions you have. This forum has a ton of people with a broad range of knowledge and experience as well as the desire to share it.

Once again...welcome.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Bear on April 23, 2009, 05:45:54 pm
Tex703,

First of all, Welcome!

I think that it's not an either/or type of question. Improving the security of your home
can be a good thing in the near term even if you end up bugging out later.

I would approach the problem with keeping a low profile in mind. Do things that make
your home 'burglar proof' that don't attract attention to your home. There are a lot of
resources on the web that have a wealth of  conventional wisdom in this regard.

As you look at the 'conventional wisdom', ask yourself if there is any way you can
'take it up a notch' without attracting attention.

Ideas off the top of my head:

1. If your neighborhood does not have houses with bars over the windows, don't
    put them on your windows, but DO look into having a security film placed over
    them that will prevent them from breaking out if attacked. Some of these films
    are amazing -- even blast proof when done properly and mounted securely in a
    proper frame.

2. Replace conventional doors with steal doors textured to look like wood. Get steel
    doors with the proper door frame. It doesn't help if your steel door is knocked
    out of wooden frame.

3. If you have any 'toys' (ATVs, boats, etc.), move them to a place where they cannot
    be seen from the street. Don't attract bad news.

4. If you have any pro-gun stickers on your house or vehicles, take them off. No point
    in advertising where people can come to find guns.

5. If you have a cement front porch, consider putting concrete flower planters at the forward
    edge (street side) of the porch. This can provide some ballistic protection to someone inside
    the house lying on the floor, without attracting attention like sandbags would.

6. If there are blind spots on your property, consider getting some of those curved 'safety mirrors'
    that you can locate outside the house so that you can see around corners. If you have a
    typical ranch style house, the garage is probably closer to the street than the front door. You
    can't see the front of the garage from inside the house, which means you can't see anybody
    hiding there waiting for someone to come out.

    Hang a curved mirror from the end of the roof and angle it so that you can see the front
    of the garage from somewhere inside the house. Same idea goes for other places on your
    property, but seeing blind spots on the street side is the first priority.

7. If there are still blind spots on your property where someone is likely to hide, or approach
    the house from, and the mirror idea doesn't work, consider planting something fast growing
    that has lots of thorns. Think 'pre-emptive area denial'. :D

I hope that helps.

Bear

Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: tex703 on April 23, 2009, 06:53:00 pm
Thanks for the info and links.  And thanks for the welcome.

My home is in a subdivision with at least 150 other homes and a grade school.  My house is made out of wood frameing with a complete brick wrap except for the fireplace stack.  As far as acreage, well not much.  Although I do have a good sized backyard compared to most of my neighbors, say about 40 yards wide and 40 yards deep.  Not much, but big for my house considering most homeowners have 1/2 of what I have.

I guess I will have to go get a shed for the backyard to store supplies that are not critical like sandbags.

Any more help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Mr. Dare on April 23, 2009, 07:42:40 pm
Your yard is plenty big enough for a garden. I'd start one if you can since it will probably take a few years of muddling and poor harvests to get the soil right and work the bugs out of your technique. Even if you move about the time you get it going good, the knowledge will be invaluable.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: socalserf on April 23, 2009, 07:50:39 pm
My opinion is that any urban/suburban environment will be a damn ugly place after most people miss 10 meals.
While you could harden any home, nothing short of a fortress will do when the SHTF.

Have you read Rawles Patriots?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEOTWAWKI

One of the things that stand out in the story was that a couple of Molotov Cocktails will take down most normal structures quickly.
Any angry mob that takes a couple of casualties will have no problem burning someone out.

What would make a home defencable is not possible in a tight neighborhood.( Do you have 500 yard fields of fire?)
Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I am very well and truly a pessimist(at least on urban/suburban survival).

That said, I'm in the same boat as you my friend.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Mr. Dare on April 23, 2009, 08:03:15 pm
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My opinion is that any urban/suburban environment will be a damn ugly place after most people miss 10 meals.
While you cold harden any home, nothing short of a fortress will do when the SHTF.
That's very true, and so many of us are stuck temporarily where we are. The best security in such cases in my opinion is to reduce the number of locally missed meals by encouraging preparedness. This is actually very easy to do now by accenting the economic and health benefits of raising your own food. Even the "green" angle is fair game. The reason your neighbors start raising their own food doesn't really matter, if the S hits the F, they will have a head start and you will have more folks with you than against you.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: da gooch on April 23, 2009, 08:17:46 pm
Howdy Tex and Welcome,

I'm a fur piece south of you but still in The Great State. ['bout the same as Bandera from where you are now.]
There is tons of info here-bouts and the search box should help out with that chore.

Lots of folks here have done the same as you propose so there are plenty of experienced folk about as well.

I myself am allergic to Cities and even Towns if they are over 10K.
[I'm beginning to think that even they are a mite crowded.]
I'm closer to a pessimist than an optimist on the Teotwawki subject.


Since you asked ....
I would approach the Uncle and Aunt-in-law and ask about their viewpoint on the "state of the world".
If they are Not at all concerned with the way the situation is stacking up then Maybe you could get permission to "Put in a little camp site" for when you come to visit .... ?  a hidden campsite with it's own water well or a pipe from the nearest windmill would be Priceless if it all falls to Caca where you are currently.
While you are building that "little campsite" ....
A buried cashe wouldn't attract to much attention and most items can be stored underground as well as in a "storage facility".
In fact two concrete septic tanks would work really well.  One for yes the outhouse but the other for .... "stuff".  
I'd put the latter Uphill of the former ... BUT you knew that ....

On the other hand IF they are also worried about the situation then Mayhap they Might appreciate the physical help with putting up a "Last ditch" Hidey Hole to retreat to IF the San Antone zombies start becoming a problem.
Like help stacking sandbags up to and around the windows of the house and decorating them with brick colored paint and flowers in pots or even better food plants in pots.
Or help with that garden they haven't gotten around to as of yet.  That sort of thing ....

Notice that I didn't even attempt the "hardening" situation .... pessimistic.

Just thoughts .... hope something there helps ....

Welcome Neighbor
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: socalserf on April 23, 2009, 08:40:32 pm
Quote
My opinion is that any urban/suburban environment will be a damn ugly place after most people miss 10 meals.
While you cold harden any home, nothing short of a fortress will do when the SHTF.
That's very true, and so many of us are stuck temporarily where we are. The best security in such cases in my opinion is to reduce the number of locally missed meals by encouraging preparedness. This is actually very easy to do now by accenting the economic and health benefits of raising your own food. Even the "green" angle is fair game. The reason your neighbors start raising their own food doesn't really matter, if the S hits the F, they will have a head start and you will have more folks with you than against you.

True. Anything that helps the neighborhood might benefit you indirectly. Organic gardening, neighborhood watch, maybe even getting some of your neighbors to an Appleseed. A tight group surronding you would be an excellent way to 'harden' your home.

Gooch's advice seems spot on to me.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: tex703 on April 23, 2009, 09:15:10 pm
Thanks for the continued advice.  Thanks gooch for your advice as well.  I would love to buy a 20-40 acre spread either in Johnson or Parker county, but dang, the price is way out of this world, and getting someplace in West TX is crazy, no water. 

I am reserved to thinking that an economic collapse would happen for 1-5 months before things got better.  I'm always the optimist!  But I could be wrong.  Any way I am going to plan and fortify my home for a 1-5 month period and then when I save up enough dollars I will buy acreage and a retreat in the near future.  Hopefully somewhere in the hill country of TX.

I am new at this and I am taking baby steps, but hey, I do realize that you need to be prepared for anything.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: IndianBellRanch on April 23, 2009, 09:46:47 pm
Guys,

What are you thinking of! Your homes are made of wood, which the last time I checked is still pretty combustible stuff.

I was living in Nepal some years ago in a fine hotel which started running out of food due to a Maoist band (closure). Lemme tell you, when you don't have a choice as to what to eat it, it settles deeply into your stomach like a lead weight that it could come to where there isn't anything at all to eat at all. That will produce a very different mind set and will cause a lot of deaths right there. And you guys that think a year's food storage is going to do it aren't thinking very well either. Lemme suggest the "Reality Sets In HERE" thread.

IBR
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: padre29 on April 23, 2009, 10:10:07 pm


What is your roofing material made of Tex? There are fire proof roof shingles available.

I wrote a short pamphlet style about some of the things a prepared Urban Home will need to subtly harden the structure:

http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=15303.0

Bear mentioned the film on the windows, but there are other measures that can be taken that do not cost an arm and a leg.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Bear on April 24, 2009, 10:32:12 am
Just a general comment -

As it's been pointed out, most suburban homes can be destroyed without too much effort,
and the cost of making them into fortress could be used to buy land elsewhere.

HOWEVER, if the mob doesn't arrive on your doorstep, it's not so important. There is value
in being inconspicuous. If you take all of the prudent steps you can to secure your home
and not draw attention to it so that you "only" have to deal with bad guys in ones and twos,
then you have achieved the best possible outcome in your circumstances. That is as good
as it gets.

Do what you can and try not to get wound up about what you can't do.

A last point -- I second the idea of starting a garden, especially if it's somewhere that's
not visible from the street. There is a learning curve with growing food, and the sooner
you start, the better prepared you will be when it becomes a necessity. Also, even if you
have to bug out later, the skill you learn you can take with you.

Bear


Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: tex703 on April 24, 2009, 03:01:37 pm
Again, thanks for all the info.

I'll take bears advice and stay low and prepare under the radar of anyone.  Heck, the only people who know that I am prepping is my wife and my sister-in-law and her husband.  I will have to come up with some unique ways to store and to fortify my home so nobody gets suspicious.

Hopefully one day I can have a decent spread somewhere south of where I am currently living for a retreat and to hunt on.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: ff42 on April 29, 2009, 12:26:57 pm
Just wondering out loud here:

If you do live in an area where an angry mob might burn your house does it make any sense in being prepared (mentally and physically) to control burn it yourself?
Make it appear to have been hit by a couple of Molotov Cocktails?  Have your storage hidden under a burned out and collapsed section?
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: padre29 on April 29, 2009, 12:46:06 pm
Just wondering out loud here:

If you do live in an area where an angry mob might burn your house does it make any sense in being prepared (mentally and physically) to control burn it yourself?
Make it appear to have been hit by a couple of Molotov Cocktails?  Have your storage hidden under a burned out and collapsed section?

Scavengers would definetely pick through the burned out building looking for whatever they could find.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: IndianBellRanch on April 29, 2009, 08:23:03 pm
I advise going to http://survivalrealty.com/ and clicking on the International stuff, and stay away from Europe and the Americas.

IBR
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: IndianBellRanch on April 29, 2009, 08:26:58 pm
I advise going to http://survivalrealty.com/ and clicking on the International stuff, and stay away from Europe and the Americas.

IBR
I mean, why burn it instead of selling it and getting what you can? At http://www.survivalrealty.com/international/india/ you can probably live like a Mogul the rest of your life, and you get a brand new rammed earth home of about 1,800 Sq. ft., to boot! Plenty of garden space with a whole acre of your choice of plantings, etc.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: DirtyLowDown on May 12, 2009, 09:08:08 pm
Howdy, Tex703!

Two great advantages that my apartment has are:

1.) it is on the second floor, and

2.) it has a spiral metal staircase leading up to it.

Anyone who attempted a home invasion of my apartment would end up killing themselves coming down.  There's no way anyone could safely run down the spiral metal staircase.

Mind you, this kind of set-up is definitely not for small children, but would be excellent for a place for storing provisions, weapons, ammo, valuables, etc.

Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: da gooch on May 12, 2009, 11:14:58 pm
I advise going to http://survivalrealty.com/ and clicking on the International stuff, and stay away from Europe and the Americas.

IBR
I mean, why burn it instead of selling it and getting what you can? At http://www.survivalrealty.com/international/india/ you can probably live like a Mogul the rest of your life, and you get a brand new rammed earth home of about 1,800 Sq. ft., to boot! Plenty of garden space with a whole acre of your choice of plantings, etc.

This is not meant as a personal comment so please take the words at their face value ....

I, personally, will be staying here in what is currently known as the united States.
I have history here.  My fathers bones are buried here and his fathers and his fathers etc clear back to 1650 something.
My children both live here with their families, My grand children.
I speak the common basic language without having to relearn a new one.
I am familiar with several of the climate zones here and the flora and fauna here.[big portions of which are edible ....]
And ....
I am poor ....[ as in Really. Yep that poor.] so the financial ability is beyond my reach.
{not that I would even IF I did have the finances to go somewhere else .... see above}

This last is my plain old filial pride but ....
I refuse to roll over or run from the bastidges that are trying to steal My "country" from my grand children when they cannot defend themselves.
{OK I'm done now ....}

YMMV
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Who...me? on May 13, 2009, 12:11:14 am
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My fathers bones are buried here and his fathers and his fathers etc clear back to 1650 something.


Thats pretty cool gooch, my family came here in 1640 on the good ship Peter and Mary...maybe they were neighbors...LOL
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: IndianBellRanch on May 13, 2009, 02:20:50 am
I advise going to http://survivalrealty.com/ and clicking on the International stuff, and stay away from Europe and the Americas.

IBR
I mean, why burn it instead of selling it and getting what you can? At http://www.survivalrealty.com/international/india/ you can probably live like a Mogul the rest of your life, and you get a brand new rammed earth home of about 1,800 Sq. ft., to boot! Plenty of garden space with a whole acre of your choice of plantings, etc.

This is not meant as a personal comment so please take the words at their face value ....

I, personally, will be staying here in what is currently known as the united States.
I have history here.  My fathers bones are buried here and his fathers and his fathers etc clear back to 1650 something.
My children both live here with their families, My grand children.
I speak the common basic language without having to relearn a new one.
I am familiar with several of the climate zones here and the flora and fauna here.[big portions of which are edible ....]
And ....
I am poor ....[ as in Really. Yep that poor.] so the financial ability is beyond my reach.
{not that I would even IF I did have the finances to go somewhere else .... see above}

This last is my plain old filial pride but ....
I refuse to roll over or run from the bastidges that are trying to steal My "country" from my grand children when they cannot defend themselves.
{OK I'm done now ....}

YMMV

Hi Gooch,

I know what you mean, and with all good will, Gooch, because we're brothers, and our fathers (also Who Me's) were survivors of Jamestown, etc., With great courage and hardship they immigrated to a land of Indians where they remained in the minority for a very long time, and who left the land they buried their fathers in because they desperately had to get away from despotism. I know immigrating from London in 1606 was not cheap either. But you might find two other like minded families to team up with. If you own a house you could probably finance all you would need from its sale. If you don't own one, two other families sharing the three story private entrances house, making them pay for your interest as a finder's fee, could find you a berth for escaping from America on the same terms our forefathers did from England, and they did not prove to be cowards.

IBR
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: da gooch on May 13, 2009, 09:28:07 am
Hi Gooch,

I know what you mean, and with all good will, Gooch, because we're brothers, and our fathers (also Who Me's) were survivors of Jamestown, etc., With great courage and hardship they immigrated to a land of Indians where they remained in the minority for a very long time, and who left the land they buried their fathers in because they desperately had to get away from despotism. I know immigrating from London in 1606 was not cheap either. But you might find two other like minded families to team up with. If you own a house you could probably finance all you would need from its sale. If you don't own one, two other families sharing the three story private entrances house, making them pay for your interest as a finder's fee, could find you a berth for escaping from America on the same terms our forefathers did from England, and they did not prove to be cowards.

IBR

None of what I said was pointed "AT" you nor at any "other" and nowhere did I use the word coward.
To leave all that you "know" and start over is daunting [I know.  I have done it several times in my short life] and is not an act of cowardice by itself.  [It Can be if it is done in an effort to simply avoid an unpleasant change of "system".]

The one [or two] point I managed to leave out was I am Not going anywhere. [well maybe on a litter carried by other survivors ....]
I am not so young as to be still considering only my own hide. If I were still in my thirties I Might be of a different mindset. At 61 I will stay and be the shield between my grand children and the "monster" from Mordor-on-the-Potomac. [Or attempt to be ....]
My children may not have forgiven me for divorcing their mother but my grandchildren only know me as a blood relation and for them I would brave much.

PAX
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: IndianBellRanch on May 13, 2009, 09:49:07 am
Hi Gooch,

I know what you mean, and with all good will, Gooch, because we're brothers, and our fathers (also Who Me's) were survivors of Jamestown, etc., With great courage and hardship they immigrated to a land of Indians where they remained in the minority for a very long time, and who left the land they buried their fathers in because they desperately had to get away from despotism. I know immigrating from London in 1606 was not cheap either. But you might find two other like minded families to team up with. If you own a house you could probably finance all you would need from its sale. If you don't own one, two other families sharing the three story private entrances house, making them pay for your interest as a finder's fee, could find you a berth for escaping from America on the same terms our forefathers did from England, and they did not prove to be cowards.

IBR

None of what I said was pointed "AT" you nor at any "other" and nowhere did I use the word coward.
To leave all that you "know" and start over is daunting [I know.  I have done it several times in my short life] and is not an act of cowardice by itself.  [It Can be if it is done in an effort to simply avoid an unpleasant change of "system".]

The one [or two] point I managed to leave out was I am Not going anywhere. [well maybe on a litter carried by other survivors ....]
I am not so young as to be still considering only my own hide. If I were still in my thirties I Might be of a different mindset. At 61 I will stay and be the shield between my grand children and the "monster" from Mordor-on-the-Potomac. [Or attempt to be ....]
My children may not have forgiven me for divorcing their mother but my grandchildren only know me as a blood relation and for them I would brave much.

PAX

I didn't take anything you said as pointing to me either. Nor did I mean you had used the "coward" word. I threw that in there, because that's what some folks think. They think we've run away from the problems without ever knowing how much we paid fighting those problems. But when a sovereign loses a war, it's customary for him leave the country.

Quite the contrary, Gooch, I should be considered to be like a good friend who would try to persuade you with many words. By the way, I'm six years your senior, and have been encouraging other retirees into taking this direction so that they would have a place for their kids and grandchildren when the feather pillow hits the fan. Sadly, it seems that only when the last train is leaving town that everyone suddenly wants to get on it.

IBR
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Hutch on October 20, 2011, 01:29:34 pm
Here's a couple ideas.

Plant thorny shrubs under windows...try to funnel intruders to a strategic entry point ie, "kill zone."

Stick a screw driver in one of the hole's on the garage door rail.

If the house electrical panel is outside,put a lock on it.

Train the kids to go to a safe spot...under the bed...bath tub..

Motion sensor lighting.

Hutch
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Rarick on October 20, 2011, 10:26:59 pm
The Garage Door is probably your weakest link to anyone breaking in.  You can do some undercover work with re-bar and brackets (screwed into the stud work and able to be sunk into pre-drilled holes to brace the bottom edge) that you could put in place when the day comes to seriously harden that part of your house.  Next getting some sheet steel and cutting strips that fit on either side of the door to reinforce the wood can be done, pull off your inside molding and install it where your neighbors can't see it.  This would keep wood from splitting when some one kicks it.  If you have any sliding windows, having blocking sticks in place would do a lot.  "Storm Windows" that you put up and take down every year for winter, with handy dandy reuseable mounting hardware (said storm windows are actually made out of one of the "security Plastics" like lexan).   Your can make your house immune to kamikaze cars by putting in "Planters" which also serve as ballistic barriers........  You may want to do something about the roof and exposed wood to make it more fireproof too, tile and stucco helps.........

There is a lot that can be done, just try the search we have all sorts of threads on this site that discuss all sorts of house fortification.  I believe you can spend just as much money fotifying a home as it would take to make some sort of "away from the zombies" provisions.  The Townhouse WILL get overrun, I mainly give advice to in town folks so that they can take out more of the golden horde before they go down........less for me to deal with.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: mutti on October 21, 2011, 07:54:10 am
Train the kids to go to a safe spot...under the bed...bath tub..
Hutch

Great ideas. I'd just like to point out one thing. We have a Fire Drill, Tornado drill and Home Invasion Drill in place. Our children are older now (8+), but one thing I might rethink is teaching them to go under the bed or into a terminating place like a bath tub. Once there - they eventually will be found. Considering that people who do home invasions aren't there to discuss Chef tips - when they find a child - the likely hood is very grim.

Also - think of the stories "They found the child in the closet where he tried to hide from the smoke/flames."

Someone might consider the following (within reason of course):

1. Exit points are not doors. Doors are death traps once exited from because that's where the BGs place watchers.

2. No negotiation. If someone says "Come back here or I'll kill your Mom." - exit as they already have a plan in place to kill or do bad things.

3. Exit points can be windows. Break it, push out the screen, step on the prize artichokes outside of your window - nothing is more important than you getting out. You'd be surprised how hesitant well mannered children are to break something to get away or listen to "adults" who threaten them.

4. Go over the electric/woven wire and into the pasture with the long horned cattle. Most BGs be-boppin' will wonder if they can outrun the cattle to get to you. As for aiming - weave among the critters, scream for the guard dog, get into the wooded area. Get whatever is stashed there for this situation. Don't come back. We know where you'll be.

As to the Garage Door - Yeah. That's a weakness. Because we don't use them however, if I knew it was going down, we've an extra few cords of wood. The plan would be to move it up and stack it tight. That is the best I can do at this point.

Hopefully none of this will ever be needed.


Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Rarick on October 21, 2011, 09:09:57 am
Show them "the searchers"- john wayne, and why they should not obey any adults in such situations but you.......
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Hutch on October 21, 2011, 10:25:09 am
Mutti,

Good points.

My thoughts are to keep them low and out of the line of fire .

My concern would be that they would be moving around .

Hutch
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: mutti on October 21, 2011, 10:34:35 am
My thoughts are to keep them low and out of the line of fire .
My concern would be that they would be moving around .
Hutch

D'oh! I'm was thinking along another line! Too bad they don't make toy boxes of impenatrible (sp) steel !
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: EwB on October 21, 2011, 02:18:49 pm
I have plans to build a play fort/tree house in the woods behind the house.  That would be the gathering point for the kids if the house had a fire or break-in.  It is across the creek and well concealed. 

EwB
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: da gooch on October 21, 2011, 02:56:52 pm
I have plans to build a play fort/tree house in the woods behind the house.  That would be the gathering point for the kids if the house had a fire or break-in.  It is across the creek and well concealed. 

EwB

:thumbsup:

With clear "sight lanes" towards the main house I would presume?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: padre29 on October 21, 2011, 04:40:15 pm


Well, in any castle situation, your best defense is not the thickness of your walls, but in how well concealed your emergency way out is.

Last stands make for great movie or book subjects in real life...not so much

Even a shallow trench with plywood roof that leads to the woodline is better then a last stand.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: EwB on October 21, 2011, 09:02:17 pm
I have plans to build a play fort/tree house in the woods behind the house.  That would be the gathering point for the kids if the house had a fire or break-in.  It is across the creek and well concealed. 

EwB

:thumbsup:

With clear "sight lanes" towards the main house I would presume?  :rolleyes:

Yep, the kids could see the house, but it would be really hard for them to be seen.  Also, thinking about a zipline as part of the playground escape plan.  Of course, with the "normal play" going on, the kids could find it through the woods blindfolded.

EwB
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: da gooch on October 22, 2011, 07:10:06 pm
I have plans to build a play fort/tree house in the woods behind the house.  That would be the gathering point for the kids if the house had a fire or break-in.  It is across the creek and well concealed. 

EwB

:thumbsup:

With clear "sight lanes" towards the main house I would presume?  :rolleyes:

Yep, the kids could see the house, but it would be really hard for them to be seen.  Also, thinking about a zipline as part of the playground escape plan.  Of course, with the "normal play" going on, the kids could find it through the woods blindfolded.

EwB

I was thinking of the white towel/pillowcase hung in a window for the "All Clear" sign. or a dark colored towel or shirt would mean "Stay Put. I'll come to You."

That sort of clear sight lanes.

A red gingham table cloth/napkin or cloth would mean "suppers on come and get it".   :rolleyes:

Show them the trail markers from the Boy Scout Handbook as well. It becomes a grand game of "follow the clues" [to win the ribbon that gets you out of the dishes for one night or some such] and at the same time they are learning woodscraft that most folks will never even see let alone understand.

A zip line sounds great [and fun] as long as it is not attached to the house or in sight of the house.
Which would defeat the hidden part of the tree house.

IF you use wire for your zip line show them how to make their own "sliders" out of a wire clothes hanger and a tree branch.

My kids are grown and gone and I am apparently missing some of the fun things we used to do. :dontknow:
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: PakerJ18 on November 10, 2012, 09:02:58 am
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Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Silver on November 11, 2012, 05:04:54 pm
This borders on spam.  One post, linking a commercial site, only marginally related to a topic that's been quiet for a year.

I support reviving old topics.  I support commerce.  If this had been placed in the "Items for sale" section I would have kept quiet.  If the poster had offered any opinions or facts about the commercial offering it would look less like spam.

Just linking, not so much.

Peace,

Silver
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 11, 2012, 05:07:38 pm
This borders on spam.  One post, linking a commercial site, only marginally related to a topic that's been quiet for a year.

Yes indeed... and I struggled over whether to allow it or not. Figured we'd see... if the person comes back and posts more, we've gained an asset perhaps. If they don't come back... proving it spam, it is easily deleted.

Fear not... Mama hasn't gone to sleep. :)
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Silver on November 11, 2012, 09:59:21 pm
I never doubted you for a moment, Mama.  Having done my share of swatting spammers, I know exactly the balance you seek; don't trash a human that may actually participate, while being ruthless on bots and those who spawn them.

This one doesn't read like bot spam, but they get better all the time.

Peace,

Silver
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 12, 2012, 05:19:21 am
This one doesn't read like bot spam, but they get better all the time.

Indeed! Yesterday I quickly reviewed more than 300 "comments" my blog software had pegged as spam.  Many of them started out sounding very rational and a few were quite difficult to decide on - until I contemplated the links given in their "profile." I didn't even bother looking at those with links in the post itself, of course, but a few of the others were at least momentarily questioned. I wound up dumping them all. sigh
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: StillaGhost on December 01, 2012, 12:43:40 pm
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Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Rarick on December 03, 2012, 08:20:53 am
Anyone "Hunkering Down" for a seige in a "Bug in scenario better have some serious ammo, thick, anti tank rocket resistant lower story walls and the ability to survive the inevitable firestorm that is going to turn all those stick built houses to ash..........

Oxygen masks and a means to keep the bunker coool........

Realistically I thank you ahead of time for thinning the Horde (if you make a Cameroon Stand), and hate you for arming a segment of the horde (if you pattycake around and they take your stash).

Bug Out sooner rather than later otherwise it is going to get ugly.  "Lights Out" by Halfast is a perfect storm scenario..........
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Rarick on December 03, 2012, 08:45:02 am
Flower planters that are shallower than they look and are concrete at least 1 foot into the ground and 2-3 feet wide to keep vehicles out of the living room.........but low enough to be only token cover for assaulters........and provide planting beds for food "Later".  Materials stored to extend your defenses after fences and houses are gone if you survive the firestorm..........  Concrete footings and iron/ steel "Posts" of some sort to bolt barrier materials to.  (I found some nice thick plate steel that I torched into 4" strips and shapened on the outside edge, they are set in 2' concrete inside pipe so they do not split the concrete when a vehicle hits them. they are set up as the cute little whit picket fence posts around the "Home Acre" the middle rail in that fence is wood bolted over a steel crossbeam.  All scrap I picked up at old building sites over the years.  I am pretty sure it will stop anything with wheels, since they split an old ford I towed into a test setup.  That is how I found out you hAVE to bury the blade ends in concrete inside a tight fitting pipe......shapened or not)
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: ARC308 on June 15, 2013, 09:51:22 am
Yep! I am in just about the same condition but I have been actively preparing for around 5 years now. Wife feels the same also and answers "There's nothing we can do about it." Frustrating!!

She will not wake up!
   
The only advice I can contribute is plan on bugging out of there.

I live out in the country and 40 miles from a major city and I have planned on bugging out to a very remote area where I prospect for gold.

My wife plans on going to her folks in a urban area when the time comes. Suicide by default.

 

 
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: gunslinger598 on June 15, 2013, 10:10:17 am
I guess she don't think there is really any gold there!  ^_^
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Bear on June 15, 2013, 10:55:24 am
Yep! I am in just about the same condition but I have been actively preparing for around 5 years now. Wife feels the same also and answers "There's nothing we can do about it." Frustrating!!

She will not wake up!
   
The only advice I can contribute is plan on bugging out of there.

I live out in the country and 40 miles from a major city and I have planned on bugging out to a very remote area where I prospect for gold.

My wife plans on going to her folks in a urban area when the time comes. Suicide by default.

That's sad, but a common situation where one spouse wakes up and the other refuses to see the writing
on the wall. It's usually the guy who gets it and the gal who refuses to see it, but in some cases it's the
other way around.

This is not a logical thing usually, and so trying to use logic and facts to prove your point is likely to
result in more anger from your spouse. Admitting that the country is circling the drain and things are
likely to fall apart is to admit that all of their work in make a safe and comfortable home may have
been for naught, and that instead of comfort and security the future may hold deprivation and fear.

Can you see why this message would be a hard sell to women?

You might try 'selling' the bug out location idea as a vacation spot, as a back up to your current living
situation, so you have choices and options. If everything remains fine, you can continue living as you
do, but if there are problems, your family will have a more comfortable time of it.

If things start turning to Schumer, her idea of going to the city may change. If you get along well with
your inlaws, you might float the idea of having them join you two at the bug out location, and make
plans and lay in provisions accordingly. This might provide your wife with a greater sense of security,
and you would have two more pairs of eyes and two more pairs of hands to help.

Bear
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: ARC308 on June 16, 2013, 06:34:12 pm
Bear,

The situation here is they (wife and stepdaughter) refuse any aspect that something bad could happen and can't see past the fact of our country is bankrupt and sinking fast. A lot of it has to do with " The U.S.is too big to fail" moto. Also my wife and her family are quite the liberal type. I am strictly conservative and I still can't figure that one out?

From the intel I am receiving this collapse will be very bad, deficit of 1800-2000%.

When the time comes, I will go my way and she will go hers. It is a sad thing and there's nothing I can do about it.

My side of the family plans on holding out at my brothers place but they are also in a urban area close to a large town. My brother is a Marine Combat Vet and he is facing the same problem of his wife leaving. If it gets too bad there, he said he would pull out and head for my location.

I am a U.S. Marine Combat Vet and I can't go against my training and combat experience plus the feeling in my bones. I am trained to survive anything and I am well equipped.

"Can you see why this message would be a hard sell to women?"

Yes, but when all hell breaks loose, she would be a lot safer with me than setting in her parents home surrounded by Tens of thousands running out of everything. Her mind is made up!

       
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 16, 2013, 08:19:38 pm
Bear,

The situation here is they (wife and stepdaughter) refuse any aspect that something bad could happen and can't see past the fact of our country is bankrupt and sinking fast. A lot of it has to do with " The U.S.is too big to fail" moto. Also my wife and her family are quite the liberal type. I am strictly conservative and I still can't figure that one out?

From the intel I am receiving this collapse will be very bad, deficit of 1800-2000%.

When the time comes, I will go my way and she will go hers. It is a sad thing and there's nothing I can do about it.

My side of the family plans on holding out at my brothers place but they are also in a urban area close to a large town. My brother is a Marine Combat Vet and he is facing the same problem of his wife leaving. If it gets too bad there, he said he would pull out and head for my location.

I am a U.S. Marine Combat Vet and I can't go against my training and combat experience plus the feeling in my bones. I am trained to survive anything and I am well equipped.

"Can you see why this message would be a hard sell to women?"

Yes, but when all hell breaks loose, she would be a lot safer with me than setting in her parents home surrounded by Tens of thousands running out of everything. Her mind is made up!

       
I know that I say this often, but please remember OPSEC. Be very vague if you feel the need to describe something. This is a public forum. Anybody can and will look at everything that you write here. Don't willfully give out information. Make the bastards WORK for it! :mellow:
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: ARC308 on June 17, 2013, 07:02:19 pm
Warning Understood. But what I have posted here has already been posted elsewhere and I know they watch. They already know who I am and that I pose no threat.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 17, 2013, 07:27:55 pm
They already know who I am and that I pose no threat.
You do when there are a million others just like you though. :mellow:
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Rarick on June 19, 2013, 08:33:46 am
I think the problem may be "Daddy's girl" or "Mommy boy" syndrome.  That case where your SO/hubby is married to you but has an attachment that matches awfully close to the one you agreed upon when you married.........  Loyalty is to whom? The family you and she are creating or to the people that have the apron and purse strings still hooked in?   I would love to be wrong, but it is an issue that has to be resolved before the going gets rough, is the loyalty to the FAMILY (you and the offspring that have been created) to the Family (The collection of blood relatives and their ethics) or somewhere else.........

That is probably part of the reason so many preppers tend to be single/ divorced, that need for loyalty to a set of principles that is not all that common.......and the OPSEC that causes most to stay on the down low until too far into a relationship.

That is also one of the problems with an urban retreat, t6he constant tugs on one's loyalties and possible "Repioritizing" that is constantly encouraged.........

Oh and a result of an experiment:  A wall of spaced cinderblocks filled with 1/2-3/4 inch gravel is good ballistically if 3/8 chicken wire is between the outside wall and gravel.  The whole set up is compromised in a cold wet environment that drops below freezing however if your drainage clogs up. If you are in a "No Freeze" zone however the same setup filled with water would probably give excellent fire protection as well.......
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Bear on June 22, 2013, 04:27:25 pm
Arc308,

Denial is a powerful thing. Having once had a bad case myself, I can imagine
someone being in denial about the situation right up, and including when it's
in their face. Some folks will not give up their mental picture of the way things
work, and when faced with contrary evidence, will just fail to understand what
is in front of them rather than admit to themselves they were wrong.

Best of luck,

Bear
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Rarick on June 26, 2013, 04:51:45 am
The movie "Last of The Mohicans" illustrates the point with the 2 sisters.  One adapted and was strong enough to actually enjoy the wild, the other sister was passive and suicided rather than do anything to change what TPTB said her fate was to be and live.
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: GeoMonkey on October 02, 2013, 06:00:30 pm
For those who are single or WILL BE -

Make a list of 5 or 10 essentials you require in a potential mate.  If, within the first few dates, she/he doesn't meet those essentials - dump them and keep searching.  It may sound unromantic, but an actual happy life is at risk here folks.

Number one on my list was "Must beleive in the 2nd Amendment, and be willing to defend it!"  My wife is an NRA member  ^_^
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: Rarick on October 03, 2013, 08:27:04 am
I think the hardest things for the urban bug in will be the water supply issue.   If the power goes down, what kind of water is there going to be?  Before elevators most buildings had a 6 story limit as well, that could be something to consider in how high you want to be in an apartment building..........(higher=tired thug by the time he gets to you, but also a long hike with a load....)

Water collection schemes are going to be needed too, the ability to turn a bugged out neighbors apartment into a cistern and some means of collecting rain with gutters?  Definitely a location issue...... 
Title: Re: Urban retreat/security for home
Post by: DiabloLoco on October 03, 2013, 01:37:06 pm
For those who are single or WILL BE -

Make a list of 5 or 10 essentials you require in a potential mate.  If, within the first few dates, she/he doesn't meet those essentials - dump them and keep searching.  It may sound unromantic, but an actual happy life is at risk here folks.

Number one on my list was "Must beleive in the 2nd Amendment, and be willing to defend it!"  My wife is an NRA member  ^_^
My number one priority is a high intelligence. With that base covered, everything else will fall into place. "You can't fix stupid!" -Ron White

Number 2 priority- Integrity.