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Title: blue funk
Post by: slidemansailor on September 28, 2009, 11:57:38 pm
I’m angry. 

I’m angry with the people who stole our currency and turned it into garbage.

I’m angry with those who destroyed our families

I’m angry with those who took over the media.

I’m angry with those who pirated the idea of an education.

I’m angry with those who entice our young into their indoctrination paths.

I’m angry with the ones who convinced generous, kind, altruistic individuals to indoctrinate our young.

I’m angry with the destruction of the value of dollar-denominated savings, making the trap of debt the smarter choice.

I’m angry with the lies coming out of the world’s most quoted mouths.

I’m angry with the poverty and government dependency that awaits my neighbors, family and friends.

I’m angry because my wife’s boys value things but don’t value their mom, yet it is not their fault or her fault but the culture they grew up in.

I’m angry because they keep getting away with the insanity of segregating kids by age to indoctrinate them.

I’m angry because they toss children into busses by age group for 8 hours a week riding away from their neighborhoods and family to a place where they can be herded daily whenever a bell orders them to move.

I’m angry because the revenooers transmogrified in multiple iterations into the BATF as rogue jackbooted thugs successfully changed missions so their agency could continue to employ them assaulting honest entrepreneurial people delivering products that other people want.

I’m angry because nobody has yet been punished for WACO, Ruby Ridge, Vietnam, Iran, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, bombing Europe, sewing carpet bombs all over Arabia ...

I’m angry because I can’t turn on the radio without getting angry at some lying sack of sh.. making up stories that the listeners all believe.

I’m angry because the rulers who would mandate dependency by all are targeting my chickens and my garden for destruction by jackbooted thugs.

Dang. It’s hard to be happy with my beautiful wife, my beautiful home, my well-equipped shop, my farmhouse in the country, my lovely trombones, my garden, my chickens, a good job and even the fact I have so much good food that I have to think about limiting my intake to keep my tummy from poking out further than I would like.

I HATE BULLIES.  Repeatedly throughout my life I have used my head and risked my body to insure that bullies LOSE. 

I am incredibly angry that I can’t touch these guys that set this all up for their own amusement, and that I know I never will.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on September 29, 2009, 02:27:51 am
Agreed.
Agreed.
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Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: chutzpah on September 29, 2009, 07:46:04 am
I too stay angry at all those examples of perversity in our society.
You have done something positive for yourself and your family with that anger.
Anger is a good thing to feel when you do something positive with it. Something to reverse the cause and effect of it. Many are catatonic and frozen with their anger turned into apathy..literally Whipped into submission.
Anger means you're NOT there, probably never will get there, because you're doing something with that anger.
The problem is that my anger recycles over and over these days.
What I chose to do with it, is my choice. So far, it's all been converted into positive kinetic energy to get my family in preparedness to survive.


BTW, We are all responsible for this current state of disrepair in our society. We allowed this current level of affairs to trickle into our lives over a period of decades. We can now take up the responsibility and perform the needed positive actions to reverse them all as well.

Kiss your wife, and family, and the beautiful farmstead you have worked so hard to procure. It will remind you that you will NOT allow anyone to cross that boundary line in the sand which you have drawn and earned to call your own.

Now, we all collectively as citizens of this great nation, need to draw that boundary line with our country.
I want my country back.


Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on September 29, 2009, 11:52:42 am
Collectively?

No.

We as individuals need to each draw our own lines in the sand and not compromise just to please others.

My lines have been drawn, and I haven't moved 'em, nor am I gonna.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: socalserf on September 29, 2009, 02:01:17 pm
If you think that things are bad now wait a couple of years.

I have very little optimism for this nation.

There is hope for resilient communities of strong and able individuals though.

Get strong, get fit, become able, and get ready, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on September 29, 2009, 03:23:51 pm
"Now, we all collectively as citizens of this great nation . . ."

  :huh:  Who are all these "we" citizens?  Who actually is a citizen of the United States?  Exactly what makes one a citizen of the United States?  How does one become a citizen of the United States? 
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: chutzpah on September 29, 2009, 04:45:49 pm
"Now, we all collectively as citizens of this great nation . . ."

  :huh:  Who are all these "we" citizens?  Who actually is a citizen of the United States?  Exactly what makes one a citizen of the United States?  How does one become a citizen of the United States? 

Citizenry: Those who, under the Constitution and laws of the United States, or of a particular community or of a foreign country, owe allegiance and are entitled to the enjoyment of all Civil Rights that Accrue to those who qualify for that status.

Neither the United States nor a state is a citizen for purposes of diversity of citizen-ship, a phrase that is used in regard to the jurisdiction of the federal courts, which—under Article III, Section 2, of the Constitution—empowers those courts to hear and decide cases between citizens of different states. Municipalities and other local governments, however, are deemed to be citizens.

The term citizen in Article III of the Constitution, which established the federal judiciary, includes corporations; therefore, suits concerning corporations involve citizens for federal jurisdictional purposes. The term citizen, however, as defined by the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, does not encompass either corporations or Aliens. Neither corporations nor aliens receive the protection of the Privileges and Immunities Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment and Article IV, as those clauses protect only citizens.

Aliens, however, are considered to be "persons" for the purposes of the due process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments and the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. In the 1982 case of Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 102 S. Ct. 2382, 72 L. Ed. 2d 786, the U.S. Supreme Court recognized that even illegal aliens are "persons" within the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment for purposes of public education. A corporation is also deemed to be a citizen for certain purposes. It is a citizen of the United States and of the state under whose laws it was organized. A particular state, commonly Delaware, is selected for incorporation because that state charges lower taxes and its laws favor businesses. Once the company incorporates in the designated state, it is a citizen of that state, but it can apply in any other state for authority to do business there.

The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution provides:" All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside…."The impor tant right of citizenship, whether for native-born or naturalized citizens, cannot be divested, whether as punishment for a crime or for any other reason, by the states or the federal government, including their agencies and officials (see also Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253, 87 S. Ct. 1660, 18 L. Ed. 2d 757 [1967]). American citizenship can be relinquished, but it cannot be taken away unless it was procured through Fraud or any other unlawful action.

The Fourteenth Amendment, through the inclusion of the phrase "all persons," was specifically enacted in 1868 specifically to grant citizenship to former slaves. Since 1924, it has been judicially interpreted to include American Indians. U.S. citizenship does not divest an Indian of tribal citizenship but, rather, coexists with it.

The Fourteenth Amendment does not, however, make children who are born within the territory of the United States of foreign ambassadors, consuls, and military officers American citizens. Such children derive their citizenship from their parents.

Ordinarily, a person who is in a country other than the one of which he or she is a citizen owes to that country a type of "temporary allegiance," which essentially is a respect for the laws of the host country, although it is not as substantial as the loyalty demanded of citizens. It requires that an alien observe the laws of the country and, in some countries, even serve in the military; it ensures the protection of the alien by the laws of the country.

Ambassadors, consuls, and military officers, however, owe no allegiance to the foreign country where they are assigned, and their children are not "born within the allegiance" of a foreign country in which they serve.
Citizen of a State

The Fourteenth Amendment provides that American citizens are also citizens "of the state wherein they reside," but U.S. citizenship does not necessitate residence in a particular state.

Persons living abroad, for example, are citizens of the United States but not of any state.

One significant legal disadvantage exists for a person who is not a citizen of a state. The Constitution provides that federal courts can hear "Controversies … between Citizens of different States." The phrase "Citizens of different States" includes citizens of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and Guam. Puerto Rico is in the First Circuit, the Virgin Islands are in the Third Circuit, and Guam, Alaska, and Hawaii are in the Ninth Circuit. A person who is not a resident of a state or designated area, even if he or she is a U.S. citizen, cannot satisfy the diversity of citizenship requirement and therefore cannot bring an action under the Diversity Clause in a federal court.
American Citizenship

U.S. citizenship is attained either by birth or by naturalization, the legal procedure that a qualified person must satisfy in order to be accepted as a citizen.

Federal law provides that those who are born in any of the 50 states, Puerto Rico, the former Panama Canal Zone, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and Guam are all native-born citizens, including the children of an American Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or any other tribal member.

Persons born in outlying possessions of the United States, such as Wake Island or Midway Island, and their children are called nationals. They owe allegiance to the United States and enjoy some rights. The term national denotes everyone who owes allegiance to the country, including citizens, but not every national possesses all of the rights of a citizen.

A person born beyond the geographical boundaries of the United States and its outlying possessions, of parents who are both U.S. citizens, is a national and a citizen of the United States at birth if one parent had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of such person. If only one parent is a citizen and the other is a national—but not a citizen—the parent who is a citizen must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of the child in order for the child to be a national and a citizen of the United States at birth.

A person born out of wedlock in a foreign country acquires at birth American citizenship if the mother was a citizen at the time of such person's birth and had formerly been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year preceding the birth.
Derivative Citizenship

A child born in a foreign country can become a U.S. citizen if his or her parents become naturalized U.S. citizens. If the child is brought to the United States before becoming an adult, and the child's parents become citizens, then the child is entitled to claim U.S. citizenship when he or she becomes an adult. Although his or her birth certificate will still reflect a foreign-born status, a person in this situation can obtain a certificate of nationality by filing an application with the Secretary of State.
Rights of U.S. Citizens

Everyone within the jurisdiction of the United States is protected by most of the guarantees and safeguards of the Constitution. A U.S. citizen traveling abroad retains the protection of the United States. If property of an individual is stolen while he or she is in a foreign country, the United States consul can lend him or her money to return to the United States. U.S. citizens, of course, must observe and obey the laws of other countries while they are visiting, but if a U.S. citizen is arrested, a representative from the U.S. ambassador's office can visit him or her and inform the foreign government that the treatment of the U.S. citizen will be scrutinized.

Unlike citizens of other countries, U.S. citizens are entitled to enter into, and to depart from, the United States, and to obtain a passport from the government. The passport certifies to foreign nations that its holder is entitled to all of the protection afforded by the U.S. government. The right to enter and leave the United States is so fundamental, however, that a citizen cannot be prevented from coming into the United States merely because he or she has no passport. Even if someone departs from the country without obtaining a passport, knowing that he or she should have done so, he or she must be permitted to enter upon returning if a birth certificate or expired passport is presented, or if the person takes an oath as to his or her citizenship.

However, the U.S. government can prohibit its citizens from traveling in designated countries

that are hostile to the U.S. and perilous to U.S. citizens. The passport of a person who ignores these restrictions can be revoked, and such a traveler can be denied protection by the government.

A naturalized citizen has all of the rights of a native-born U.S. citizen but one: He or she can never be president of the United States. Article II of the Constitution provides: "No person except a natural-born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
Obligations of Citizenship

The most fundamental duty of a citizen is to be loyal to the United States. Allegiance is not an unquestioning acceptance, but a general faith in the U.S. system. In times of national emergency, citizens can be required to defend the country, through military service or alternative service such as employment in a hospital.

Issues surrounding the duties of citizens often arise in the same context as the freedoms enjoyed by citizens of the United States. In one of his more famous speeches, The Duties of American Citizenship, President Theodore Roosevelt said, "It ought to be axiomatic in this country that every man must devote a reasonable share of his time to doing his duty in the Political life of the community. No man has the right to shirk his political duties under whatever plea of pleasure or business. …"

In the wake of the September 11th Attacks in 2001, the case against one American citizen, John Philip Walker Lindh, demonstrated the attitude that the U.S. government takes against nationals who breach their duty of citizenship. Lindh, also known by the Islamic names Suleyman al-Faris and Abdul Hamid, as well as the nickname "the American Taliban," converted to Islam in 1997. After visiting such countries as Yemen and Pakistan to study Islam at various times from 1997 to 2000, Lindh began training with the terrorist organization al-Qaeda in 2001. Both before and after the terrorist attacks in September 2001, Lindh served the Taliban regime of Afghanistan in an ongoing conflict with the Northern Alliance in northeastern Afghanistan. Lindh was captured by Northern Alliance groups in November 2001. He was eventually turned over to the U.S. military, who returned him to the United States on January 23, 2002.

In the case of United States v. Lindh, 198 F. Supp. 2d 739 (E.D.Va. 2002), Lindh was indicted on ten criminal charges, including conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals, contributing to and conspiring to contribute to al-Qaeda, and using and carrying firearms and other destructive devices during crimes of violence. Lindh pled guilty in July 2002 to a count of supplying services to the Taliban government and received a 20-year sentence.

"We" citizens.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on September 29, 2009, 07:02:23 pm
" American citizenship can be relinquished, but it cannot be taken away unless it was procured through Fraud or any other unlawful action."

Can American citizenship be forced upon one because they were born within the geographical area known as the United States?  Whatever happened to "governements are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."  Can one be compelled against their will to become a member of the body politic known as the United States of America?

If so, that's something that just might make me mad!

Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: chutzpah on September 29, 2009, 07:53:22 pm
Okay,  Add it to the above "angry" list.
 :angry:
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on September 29, 2009, 08:03:19 pm
If one can be forced through birth to be a U.S. citizen it kinda reminds me of the movie Braveheart.  The Grand Inquisitor tells Mel Gibson to ask for the King's mercy, Gibson tells him that he never swore an oath of allegiance to the King.  The Grand Inquisitor tells Gibson that he nevertheless is his King -- kiss the ring!  Now that really pisses me off!
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on September 29, 2009, 09:45:56 pm
I swore an oath of allegiance to Almighty God and to obey the Original Constitution and only the original Constitution.
I will not bow to anyone but God Almighty and I will not obey anyone or thing other then God and what is right in his sight. I believe that the Constitution is the one document that God would approve of seeings he gave us free will.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on September 30, 2009, 06:04:03 am
I swore an oath of allegiance to Almighty God and to obey the Original Constitution and only the original Constitution.
I will not bow to anyone but God Almighty and I will not obey anyone or thing other then God and what is right in his sight. I believe that the Constitution is the one document that God would approve of seeings he gave us free will.

When you say "the original Constitution", do you mean the Constitution of 1787 as originally drafted and ratified?  If I remember correctly the "original Constitution" didn't have the Bill of Rights -- it was added in the form of the first ten ammendments.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: chutzpah on September 30, 2009, 07:03:29 am
[Jest]...
surely you mean the first 10 "commandments" of the newly forming Government?!
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 30, 2009, 08:12:21 am
I am a sovereign individual. I do not "owe" any allegiance to anyone or anything except to God and my own life, my integrity and honor as a non-aggressor. I "owe" only what I have promised and any debt (money or service) I have freely agreed to pay.

I can most certainly never be forced to fealty or reverence for any involuntary government- or any of their works, such as this "constitution."

They just might kill my body, but they can never capture my soul.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on September 30, 2009, 10:46:54 am
When you say "the original Constitution", do you mean the Constitution of 1787 as originally drafted and ratified? If I remember correctly the "original Constitution" didn't have the Bill of Rights -- it was added in the form of the first ten amendments.
Yes I meant the first one with the bill of rights.

I am a sovereign individual. I do not "owe" any allegiance to anyone or anything except to God and my own life, my integrity and honor as a non-aggressor. I "owe" only what I have promised and any debt (money or service) I have freely agreed to pay.

I can most certainly never be forced to fealty or reverence for any involuntary government- or any of their works, such as this "constitution."

They just might kill my body, but they can never capture my soul.
I to did not owe any allegiance to anyone or anything except to God and my own life until I decided to make and Oath to uphold the Constitution. When I said my Oath to God about that said document I stated "I   .........  Swear to defend the Constitution of the United States of America as it was written with only the first ten amendments against all enemies foreign and domestic so help me God." So by doing this of my own free will and as a free person in mind, spirit, and body owning only those things that man can not steal from me I must obey my Oaths. I will be true to my God and word as each of you might be true to what you believe in and promise.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on September 30, 2009, 12:43:35 pm
cordaboblue you posted, "I swore an oath of allegiance to Almighty God and to obey the Original Constitution and only the original Constitution."

I posted, "When you say "the original Constitution", do you mean the Constitution of 1787 as originally drafted and ratified?  If I remember correctly the "original Constitution" didn't have the Bill of Rights -- it was added in the form of the first ten amendments."

then you posted, "Yes I meant the first one with the bill of rights."

then you posted, "I   .........  Swear to defend the Constitution of the United States of America as it was written with only the first ten amendments . . ."

I don't understand what you're saying, the original Constitution of 1787 wasn't written with the first ten amendments, they were added later through the amendment process.  The Constitution provides for changes through the amendment process, the first ten amendments (Bill of Rights) were the first changes made to the original Constitution.  If you recognize the first ten amendments as being legit, why not any of the others?


Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on September 30, 2009, 12:57:40 pm
I guess that means that women can't vote anymore.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Steven Mallory on October 01, 2009, 04:22:11 pm
 


cordaboblue you posted, "I swore an oath of allegiance to Almighty God and to obey the Original Constitution and only the original Constitution."

I posted, "When you say "the original Constitution", do you mean the Constitution of 1787 as originally drafted and ratified?  If I remember correctly the "original Constitution" didn't have the Bill of Rights -- it was added in the form of the first ten amendments."

then you posted, "Yes I meant the first one with the bill of rights."

then you posted, "I   .........  Swear to defend the Constitution of the United States of America as it was written with only the first ten amendments . . ."

I don't understand what you're saying, the original Constitution of 1787 wasn't written with the first ten amendments, they were added later through the amendment process.  The Constitution provides for changes through the amendment process, the first ten amendments (Bill of Rights) were the first changes made to the original Constitution.  If you recognize the first ten amendments as being legit, why not any of the others?


[sarcasm]

Titles can be confusing, but words still have meanings. And when you put the word "original" in front of the word "constitution"...

Properly speaking, the Constitution of 1787 was not the original constitution, but the second. The first constitution, commonly called the Articles of Confederation, did indeed constitute a central government, even if it was a much weaker one than that established by the 1787 refurb which some rubes people consider to still be effective today.

Splitting hairs is just what I do, folks! :rolleyes: [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on October 01, 2009, 06:56:17 pm
The Articles of Confederation provided for a federal form of government called the united States of America, while the Constitution of 1787 formed a national government called the United States of America.  Two completely different animals. 
I'm not aware of the Articles of Confederation ever being called "the constitution" as was the Constitution of 1787.

Based on the research that I've done over the years it would appear that the delegates that met in Philadelphia during the summer of 1787 were never authorized by their respective state legislatures to write a constitution, only to ammend the Articles of Confederation.  The Constitution of 1787 subverted the "lawful" government of the united States of America.  It would appear to me that it was fraud from the beginning -- I think Lysander Spooner had it right!
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on October 01, 2009, 08:07:02 pm
Ok. No one likes it when they are wrong and to be provin that they should have stopped opening their mouth to say anything, so you now did your job, you got your point across so now I think I need a rest from my making myself feel dumb.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on October 01, 2009, 08:31:12 pm
So long as you didn't write it in blood you should be fine.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on October 01, 2009, 08:41:44 pm
Ok. No one likes it when they are wrong and to be provin that they should have stopped opening their mouth to say anything, so you now did your job, you got your point across so now I think I need a rest from my making myself feel dumb.

It wasn't my intention to "prove you wrong" or make you feel dumb.  I was merely attempting to point out the facts concerning the Constitution.  Over the years I've changed my "beliefs" as new information became available.  Ignorance is merely the lack or wanting of knowledge, I attempt to cure my ignorance each and every day by reviewing new information.  When I look back at some of the things that I said/believed back in 1993 when I first started down this road to freedom I'll have to admit that I said some pretty dumb shit.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on October 01, 2009, 08:49:36 pm
Steven you posted, "Titles can be confusing, but words still have meanings. And when you put the word "original" in front of the word "constitution"..."

If you review what I posted the word constitution had a capitol letter (ie Constitution and original Constitution).  While it may very well be true that the Articles of Confederation was a "constitution" (charter of government), to my knowledge it was never referred to as a/the Constitution.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on October 01, 2009, 08:55:46 pm
The only oath I have made was to never initiate violence. My Sifu made me promise before teaching me Kung-Fu back when I was 6 or 7 years old. I was never good with names and dates, but I remember the event like it was yesterday. It fills me with pride that I have kept that promise all these years.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Steven Mallory on October 01, 2009, 11:54:38 pm
Steven you posted, "Titles can be confusing, but words still have meanings. And when you put the word "original" in front of the word "constitution"..."

If you review what I posted the word constitution had a capitol letter (ie Constitution and original Constitution).  While it may very well be true that the Articles of Confederation was a "constitution" (charter of government), to my knowledge it was never referred to as a/the Constitution.

I know, I was just being silly. I was trying to affect that snobbishly irrelevant "well, actually" guy tone.  Please take it as such, and not too seriously.

 :alien:
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on October 02, 2009, 12:41:46 am
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When I look back at some of the things that I said/believed back in 1993 when I first started down this road to freedom I'll have to admit that I said some pretty dumb shit.

Hell...............I believed some pretty dumb shit too way back when.....
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on October 02, 2009, 01:23:24 am
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When I look back at some of the things that I said/believed back in 1993 when I first started down this road to freedom I'll have to admit that I said some pretty dumb shit.

Hell...............I believed some pretty dumb shit too way back when.....

I was learning to read back then...
My favorite subjects back then were ancient fortifications and food, mainly Asian.

I never even thought about politics until I was like 15. And then I was Theocrat*.
Then one day a few years ago, my Granny offered to pick up the next issue of Backwoodsman Magazine
on her way over to my house. She got Backwoods Home instead. A minor mistake.
Well, I found the cooking and gardening columns to be useful so I started buying them all the time.
Then I started reading John Silviera's The Last Word column, and it just made sense.
Then there was an add in one issue for the online only Hardyville column, so I read that.
I thought it was very funny. I'm still not sure why, but after that I was pretty much a Libertarian.
Funny how things go sometimes. I became an Anarchist after the last coronation election.

*(One who thinks that theocracy is the best form of government.)
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on October 02, 2009, 12:47:39 pm

It wasn't my intention to "prove you wrong" or make you feel dumb. I was merely attempting to point out the facts concerning the Constitution. Over the years I've changed my "beliefs" as new information became available. Ignorance is merely the lack or wanting of knowledge, I attempt to cure my ignorance each and every day by reviewing new information. When I look back at some of the things that I said/believed back in 1993 when I first started down this road to freedom I'll have to admit that I said some pretty dumb shit.
I know you where just trying to educate me and others but I was getting mad at myself for thinking like a sheep and not looking closer. Sheep follow a leader and do not worry about what is hiding under rocks or behind bushes for the snake or wolf that might bite or eat them. They think the leader will tell them if there is something to worry about. When I looked at what I posted and then what you posted, I saw myself as being like a sheep and so I got mad I will not be a sheep. Many times I send out PM's To find info. so as not to say anything dumb where a lot of people can see it. It is far better to let a couple people think you are dumb rather then have a lot of people think or know you are dumb IMHO.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: socalserf on October 03, 2009, 02:55:21 am
This forum is a place that seems to attract life long students.
Relax.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Who...me? on October 03, 2009, 12:08:02 pm
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It is far better to let a couple people think you are dumb rather then have a lot of people think or know you are dumb IMHO.

My Dad's favorite saying..."Better to remain silent and be thought a fool that to speak and remove all doubt."   which of course he stole from Abe Lincoln.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on October 03, 2009, 05:47:34 pm
Who....Me my dad said the same thing. To bad I fail to live by it.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Who...me? on October 04, 2009, 10:53:35 pm
Who....Me my dad said the same thing. To bad I fail to live by it.

  :sign10:  Ya you and me both.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on October 05, 2009, 12:50:48 pm
My dad also would say believe none of what you hear and half of what you see and you will be about half right.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Clip Johnson on October 05, 2009, 02:43:42 pm
My dad also would say believe none of what you hear and half of what you see and you will be about half right.

What to do though if you're blind in one eye, and can't see out the other one? ^_^

In all seriousness cordobablue, without a doubt you have garnered the utmost respect by most folks around here (myself included) and by no means could any clear thinking individual even remotely consider you 'dumb'. My :twocents:
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on October 05, 2009, 03:06:49 pm
My dad also would say believe none of what you hear and half of what you see and you will be about half right.

What to do though if you're blind in one eye, and can't see out the other one? ^_^

In all seriousness cordobablue, without a doubt you have garnered the utmost respect by most folks around here (myself included) and by no means could any clear thinking individual even remotely consider you 'dumb'. My :twocents:

I concur.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Bluelinegirl on October 05, 2009, 03:25:18 pm

I just realised that as I hit 'next' intending to go to page 3 of the thread 'blue funk,' it brought me to this page 'celebritity' something or other about where are the real newsworthy people of today, instead and I wound up commenting on both lol

Im fairly new here but out of all the threads i've read so far, I respect this one the most. Its honest, caring, forgiving of imperfections, filled with growth, informative, ok, ill yada yada at this point. 

I agree that it is angering (not sure if thats a word, but I dont think You guys will mind ;) to see the 'bought/owned' media and what they consider news and worse yet that the sheeple agree!! 

'I' at this point of my awakening, am most angry that no matter how many times you warn people to google fluoride they just wont do it! I think That may be where our geniuses are hibernating...they are under the influence of the tranq fluoride watching Nancy Grace....

If you have time to read this post, you have time to google it....no excuses.  One word of warning though, I equate ending the mindnumbing poisoning with taking the 'red pill'... if you'd rather stay asleep then carry on...


Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on October 05, 2009, 08:14:00 pm
Nice piece of writing. I would like to give everyone something to read that I found very interesting.

IN A Romanian Newspaper:
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:08:23 +0000

We rarely get a chance to see another country's editorial about the USA

Read this excerpt from a Romanian Newspaper. The article was written by Mr. Cornel Nistorescu and published under the title 'C'ntarea Americii, meaning 'Ode To America ') in the Romanian newspaper Evenimentulzilei 'The Daily Event' or 'News of the Day'.

~An Ode to America ~

Why are Americans so united? They would not resemble one another even if you painted them all one color! They speak all the languages of the world and form an astonishing mixture of civilizations and religious beliefs.

On 9/ll, the American tragedyturned three hundred million people into a hand put on the heart. Nobody rushed to accuse the White House, the Army, or the Secret Service that they are only a bunch of losers. Nobody rushed to empty their bank accounts. Nobody rushed out onto the streets nearby to gape about.

Instead the Americans volunteered to donate blood and to give a helping hand.

After the first moments of panic, they raised their flag over the smoking ruins, putting on T-shirts, caps and ties in the colors of the national flag. They placed flags on buildings and cars as if in every place and on every car a government official or the president was passing. On every occasion, they started singing: 'God BlessAmerica !'

I watched the live broadcast and rerun after rerun for hours listening to the story of the guy who went down one hundred floors with a woman in a wheelchair without knowing who she was, or of the Californian hockey player, who gave his life fighting with the terrorists and prevented the plane from hitting a target that could have killed other hundreds or thousands of people.

How on earth were they able to respond united as one human being? Imperceptibly, with every word and musical note, the memory of some turned into a modern myth of tragic heroes. And with every phone call, millions and millions of dollars were put into collection aimed at rewarding not a man or a family, but a spirit, which no money can buy. What on earth can unites the Americans in such way? Their land? Their history? Their economic Power? Money? I tried for hours to find an answer, humming songs and murmuring phrases with the risk of sounding commonplace, I thought things over, I reached but only one conclusion... Only freedom can work such miracles.

Cornel Nistorescu

(This deserves to be passed around the Internet forever.) It took a person on the outside - looking in - to see what we take for granted !


GOD BLESS AMERIC A !!!
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: slidemansailor on October 06, 2009, 12:47:01 am
The word-artist combines the beauty of honorable people with naivete of the official story believers. It is bittersweet to see suckers sacrifice themselves so honorably.  The move Gallipoli (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082432/) comes to mind. If you haven't seen it, do.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Bluelinegirl on October 06, 2009, 11:26:22 am
I hate to add spoil to a great thread and I love to see that others think of us as being so honorable as we wish we were but im reminded of something a British acquaintance said to me years before I woke up.  We were talking about why some countries hate the USA and NAFTA, the IMF and World bank (before I knew about them, I HIGHLY recommend the documentary 'Life and Debt' btw. Netflix has it, you can prolly get it on youtube too) anyway, she was explaining 'their' crimes to me and patting me on the head as a dumb, ignorant little sheeple too in love with my big screen to care about my neighbor.  The only grace I took from our conversation was that other countries that know about the crimes DO understand that the average American has no idea what 'we' are doing globally (although they do know and hate that most Americans keep their heads in the sand to keep their tvs).

 I dont even want to work anymore because now I know what they do with my taxes and it makes me feel like a willing accomplice. I'm afraid to look God in the eye!  What to do..... I guess I can take another grace in that I don't believe a 'real' American would enslave and collapse other (and now our own) economies (go Soros, nice job! Fucker.) So, I can try to hold on to the misnomer of 'it's not us' a little while longer, until we all wake up and continue to fund them and do become willing accomplices.  Lets hope not, death to the bigger screen!

I would like to offer that a good first step in discontinuing funding the monsters might be to stop being a slave to 'stuff.'  If we didnt have 'bills to pay' we might not work so much and pay so much taxes. We could maybe define exactly what those bills are and decide how many of them are actually needs. At least until we can 'unfund' the monsters.  As far as 'putting my money where my mouth is...' I stopped working about 3 years ago. They cant 'make' me pay taxes if I have no income (now a FEMA camp work internment.... lol). Im running up some bills in credit, but I sleep better at night. I dont even miss the big screen. I have just enough to pay my bare minimum bills...including netflix online :)  Call it my affront in the war...
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on October 06, 2009, 12:01:22 pm
I have seen many comments on other forums where they say that so long as they have
TV, (insert favorite sport here), and booze, that they don't care about politics at all.
It makes me really sad and dissapointed when I see comments like that. Those people
are the ones that so long as they are comfortable and taken care of, they wouldn't mind
living in a cage. Cowards they are, real men they are not. "Evil only prevails when good
men do nothing."
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: MamaLiberty on October 06, 2009, 12:04:12 pm
Bluelinegirl - no income, running up debts.. and sleeping better?

Hmmmmm

When you consume more wealth than you create, how does that make you free just because you've given up the big TV?
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: gaurdduck on October 06, 2009, 12:22:33 pm
I sell blackmark3t lunches.
See?
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: mutti on October 06, 2009, 12:32:47 pm
The word-artist combines the beauty of honorable people with naivete of the official story believers. It is bittersweet to see suckers sacrifice themselves so honorably.  The move Gallipoli (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082432/) comes to mind. If you haven't seen it, do.


 :thumbsup:  Even the score of the film gets me thinking. From the premise that "war is a game" to the "loss of such human potential" - I think this was the first movie that affected my outlook on the International Purpose of War vs the "in the trenches for my Country" type thoughts.

In the trenches they die for the elected


Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Mad Wet Hen on October 06, 2009, 01:21:20 pm
Well the way I have lived for the past 10 years is if I can't afford it I don't get it. There has been only one thing I have gotten that we make payments on and that is our land. We do have electricity that we pay for until I get my wind gen built then we will have only the land, phone and web to pay. That is other the property tax. We for the most part live off our land and we have a well so no water bill.I think we are doing our part to not fund big brother.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Bluelinegirl on October 06, 2009, 05:17:00 pm
Well the way I have lived for the past 10 years is if I can't afford it I don't get it. There has been only one thing I have gotten that we make payments on and that is our land. We do have electricity that we pay for until I get my wind gen built then we will have only the land, phone and web to pay. That is other the property tax. We for the most part live off our land and we have a well so no water bill.I think we are doing our part to not fund big brother.

Good job CB!!

I too live by the bare minimum and givin my field of industry, should the economy recover and we stop killing countries and babies, it wont take me long to pay it back and if the SHTF.... no one will care. lol

I currently have my bills down to about a total of 10k annually including property taxes (which at least stay local) insurance and things like that. Hard but doable. I invested in my house and car, furniture, tv and all other useful/sellable tangables, zero gold! I keep little cash too in case the dollar goes kaput. Saving 10%nearly gross a year is like.. well, a penny saved is a penny earned so...yes, it actually is cheaper to live on credit if you do it right. I also invested in food and other items I will need in the future thus staving off inflation as well. The cash I do get came off the equity of my house so I can sell my house later if it were absolutely necessary.  I was forced to pay taxes on what I earned and bought already but hopefully I can wait till things are better to go back to work. I hope. I dont want to live the rest of my life on the bare minimum, even though I did get used to it and am surprisingly happy, but I will if I have to at least as long as I can.

It was not an easy transistion. About 4 years ago when I saw this comming, I left an ocean front condo in Miami, 3 porches, two Mercedes, 6 tvs, and 'magic plastic' to go to rural KY, 1 jeep, counting all my pennies and planting a garden. And yes, my city friends find that hilarious. My property taxes alone went from $15k annually to 2k!! But it was worth it. Well worth it. Sleeping in is pretty cool too :)

I certainly dont mean to come off as holier than though or anything, im human with many faults and am just doing the best I can to fight for myself and my country.

I also put alot of faith in my fellow Americans and I pray.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: suijurisfreeman on October 07, 2009, 07:28:23 am
I have seen many comments on other forums where they say that so long as they have
TV, (insert favorite sport here), and booze, that they don't care about politics at all.
It makes me really sad and dissapointed when I see comments like that. Those people
are the ones that so long as they are comfortable and taken care of, they wouldn't mind
living in a cage. Cowards they are, real men they are not. "Evil only prevails when good
men do nothing."

Here's my letter to the editor published in the Monroe County Citizen newspaper on March 22, 2006 (the day I was to be sentenced):

THE TYRANNY OF JUSTICE:  The political corruption here in Monroe County is not a secret, you know about it.  I know about it and the corrupt politicians know about it!  'They' only get away with it because you the citizens of Monroe County have failed to take action, you have failed to hold your 'public servants' accountable.

One of the 65 signs that I displayed stated "All that's necessary for evil to triumph if for good men to do nothing."  Another stated, "Public servants of Monroe County look into the mirror of truth, what do you see?"

For 22 days from July 29, 2005 through September 19, 2005 while I exercised my natural, inherent and inalienable right of remonstrance, my right to formally protest against governmental policy, action or officials far, far too many people stopped by and discussed with me their first hand knowledge of the political corruption here in Monroe County.

In spite of several death threats and two attempts to silence me through intimidation I had the courage to expose 'their' dirty little deeds.  I dared to challenge 'the powers that be' here in Monroe County.  My signs only stated what many of you know to be the truth, the ugly truth.

That is the truth as to why I was indicted, prosecuted and am now facing the possibility of 9 years in prison.  I was not then, I am not now willing to stand by doing nothing thereby allowing evil to triumph!  What about you?

Pity the poor, wretched, timid soul who is faint hearted to resist his oppressors.  He has the intellect of a slave.  He sings the song of the damned: 'I can't fight back, I have too much to lose; I own too much property; I have worked too hard to get what I have; They will put me out of business if I resist; I might go to jail; I have my family to think about.'

Such poor miserable creatures have misplaced values and are hiding their cowardice behind pretended family responsibilities, blindly refusing to see that the most glorious legacy that one can bequeath posterity is liberty, and that the only true security is liberty.
by Anonymous

Two days later when I was actually sentenced, the judge asked if I had anything to say before he sentenced me.  I had the above letter to the editor read into the record.
Title: Re: blue funk
Post by: Bluelinegirl on October 07, 2009, 12:44:39 pm

Such poor miserable creatures have misplaced values and are hiding their cowardice behind pretended family responsibilities, blindly refusing to see that the most glorious legacy that one can bequeath posterity is liberty, and that the only true security is liberty.
by Anonymous


Soldier on sjf, I would rather bequeath to my heirs, liberty than land.