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Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Alton Speers on November 14, 2004, 06:56:45 am
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/...intstory.jsp&1c (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/10170605.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp&1c)

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MIAMI-DADE POLICE
Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Miami-Dade police said an officer should not have used a stun gun to stop a 12-year-old girl who was skipping school.
BY SUSANNAH A. NESMITH
snesmith@herald.com

A Miami-Dade police officer used a Taser to stop an unarmed, 12-year-old girl who was running away from him after she was caught skipping school, police acknowledged Friday night.

The incident happened Nov. 5, just over two weeks after other Miami-Dade officers used a stun gun to restrain a first-grader. In that case, police said the 6-year-old boy was holding a shard of glass and threatening to cut himself. Police Director Bobby Parker defended the decision to shock the boy because he could have seriously hurt himself.

But Parker said Friday that he could not defend the decision to shock the fleeing 12-year-old, who was apparently drunk.

''Under the circumstances, we thought that he should not have used the Taser,'' Parker said referring to the officer. ``It's likely that discipline will be forthcoming.''

According to the incident report:

Officer William Nelson responded to an anonymous complaint that some kids were swimming in a West Kendall pool, drinking alcohol and smoking cigars about 11 a.m.

Nelson said he noticed the girl was intoxicated and told her to get dressed so he could take her back to school.

''While walking [the girl] to the police car, [she] took off running through the parking lot,'' Nelson wrote in his report.

Nelson, 38, a 15-year veteran, said he chased her and yelled several times for her to stop. Nelson said he pulled out the Taser and fired when the girl began to run into traffic.

The electric probes hit the girl in the neck and lower back, immobilizing her with 50,000 volts.

Nelson said he fired ''for my safety along with [the girl's] safety.'' He could not be reached for comment.

Paramedics treated the girl, who went home with her mother.

I really can't say what I think for the sake of Debra and the TCF board... :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

Alton
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: byron on November 14, 2004, 07:25:48 am
The cop noticed the girl was intoxicated, and his first thought is to take her back to school? But after she gets tasered, she gets to go home with mom.

One day a cop is going to taser a kid, and a parent is going to go ballistic - literally.
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Alton Speers on November 14, 2004, 07:28:54 am
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One day a cop is going to taser a kid, and a parent is going to go ballistic - literally.
One could only hope.

Alton
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Mostly Harmless on November 14, 2004, 08:39:45 am
If that had been my kid two people would be in a world of hurt:

1. My kid for being an asshole first and skipping school second

2. The cop also for being an asshole

My lawyer would, on the other hand, be planning his retirement while he worked out who to sue.

That is unless I'd not managed to control my ballistic impulse to wreak havoc on the local cop shop. In which case you'd be hearing about me on CNN
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Leonidas the Younger on November 14, 2004, 09:13:12 am
When I read stuff like this, I have various reactions.

Many of which are "unprintable", in a forum clean as this one.

It *does* make me wonder about the depths of human stupidity, though ..

-- Leonidas
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Liberty-MMMM! on November 14, 2004, 10:52:03 am
Seems from the last few days they want all the kids.  seriously though its about time more people sued the police departments like wolves.  like i do.  90 percent of the time they resort to these tactics because they can and for power reasons.  i have a little "negotiation" going right now witha department that includes just such an incident on an adult- someone you may know from here.
Bastards.
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: jack on November 14, 2004, 10:24:40 pm
Don't worry, Desertrat is going to come up with an excuse for the cop...  ;)  
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on November 14, 2004, 10:32:04 pm
jack,

Of course he will.
He may not like the system but he'll defend it to the death*LoL*
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: penguinsscareme on November 14, 2004, 11:01:07 pm
Hey now.  Desertrat has managed to stay alive for quite a while living pretty independently.  If he doesn't come across as being quite the high minded idealist that some are, then maybe it's because he's a little more jaded, a little more grounded in reality than some others, not because he secretly supports the police state.
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: jack on November 15, 2004, 11:49:04 am
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Hey now.  Desertrat has managed to stay alive for quite a while living pretty independently.  If he doesn't come across as being quite the high minded idealist that some are, then maybe it's because he's a little more jaded, a little more grounded in reality than some others, not because he secretly supports the police state.
Hey man, just kidding   :D  

Have nothing agains Desertrat but you have to admit he goes the extra mile to give jbts the benefit of the doubt...
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: penguinsscareme on November 15, 2004, 05:30:58 pm
I'd say he's a little less paranoid than the average person here, that's all.
Anyway, I'm not here to defend him, nor does he need me to be.
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: huntershaven on November 15, 2004, 10:35:35 pm
In Missouri a 17 year old can run away from home and the parents can't stop them and can in fact be charged with illegal restraint if they do. Yet the parents can be held accountable for any crimes the child commits while not at home.

Police can taser whoever they want and more than likely they will only get a wrist-slapping and return to duty. I wonder how long it will be before a child is killed by a taser.

As for police officers using force just because they can, I see that regularly. My jading is from seeing how power corrupts so many. The only good thing with these tasering events is that they still make the news. It would be worse to reach a point where tasering children becomes a regular non-newsworthy event.

If I were the parent of a tasered child, I am not sure what I would do. I grew up with the education that there is either no force or lethal force. If you draw a weapon, whether leathal or not, you had better have a good reason to do so. I don't know the details beyond the newspaper story, but I would say that the officer probably didn't want to run after the girl and just figured it was easier to taser her.

 
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: 2ndmouse on November 16, 2004, 02:33:11 am
zap the brat with the glass shank....

oh new guy here, Hiya... zoot sent me so its all his fault.  :lol:  
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: RagnarDanneskjold on November 16, 2004, 06:12:08 pm
I'll put my printable reactions here, the others will just swirl around in my noggin' and give me another migraine.

First - a 38 year old cop can't catch an intoxicated 12 year old girl in a foot race? Too many years sitting in a squad car stuffing his face with donuts, I guess.

Second - why wasn't she at home, where she belonged?

Third - she was running into traffic? Yeah, let's taser her so she is incapacitated and falls into the street and gets hit by a car (dumb ass).

Fourth - a 38 year old cop can't catch an intoxicated 12 year old girl in a foot race? Even sounds as if she was gaining ground. Unless he had to slow down to "draw his weapon."

Fifth - I am sick of this control thing they have to exhibit, let her go, already.

Sixth - a 38 year old cop can't catch an intoxicated 12 year old girl in a foot race?
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Nelson said he fired ''for my safety along with [the girl's] safety.''
What [his] safety. He though he might go into cardiac arrest if she had more endurance than he did?
I am really getting tired of this "for the officer's safety" line of bullshit they keep plopping out to defend so many wrong actions. Like "we have to search your car for our safety." WTF, if there are any weapons in my car, I sure can't get to 'em now, and if I was a person from whom you had to worry about your safety, you would already have a bullet between your eyes. Once, when my car broke down and I was walking back to the previous exit to call for a tow, trooper pulled over and offered to help me. It was pretty cold out, and he offered to let me ride in the back of his trooper mobile back to wait at my car and use his cell phone to call for a tow. But, he wanted to "pat me down" before I got into his car. "It's just policy, for 'our' safety." Huh? I am walking out here just to ambush cops and you are still alive? I am going to wait until I am sitting behind that stupid cage to try to attack you? No thanks, I'll continue my walk to the pay phone.

Seventh - a 12 year old, smoking cigars? They call them blunts, they scoop out some of the tabaccy and replace it with weed. I think the "blunt" comes from El Producto Blunts.

Eighth - a 38 year old cop can't catch an intoxicated, stoned 12 year old girl in a foot race? For the girl's safety? owwwwww my brain hurts. I can't twist it around enough to make that concept make sense.

Welcome to the board, 2ndmouse.
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Lightning on November 16, 2004, 06:30:40 pm
Just wanted to say welcome, 2ndmouse.  Don't you go being quiet like a mouse here, now.   ;)

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I am sick of this control thing they have to exhibit, let her go, already.

You said it, RD.

And the same for the "for cops' safety" BS.   :ph34r:   Besides, when did their safety and convenience start mattering more than ours?   :angry:  
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Joel on November 16, 2004, 07:28:16 pm
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when did their safety and convenience start mattering more than ours?   :angry:
That's a rhetorical question, right?
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Desertrat on November 16, 2004, 07:58:57 pm
Hi, there, boys and girls!

:D

Naw, this one, I think the cop lost his (?) mind (?).  No excuse.

Got to thinking:  She's running; he's running.  Taser?  He's gotta be staying pretty close, right?  I realize that squad-car waffle-butt his age might be totin' 40 or 50 extra pounds, but something's rotten in the State of Denmark or somewhere.

If she's "out-running" him, how is that he's close enough to use the Taser?

I've known a lot of cops.  The smart ones, generally, aren't on the "Obey me!  Right NOW!" trip.

'Rat
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Dull'Hawk on November 16, 2004, 08:00:45 pm
Smart? Cops?!

Kent
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Desertrat on November 16, 2004, 09:27:32 pm
Ever read Jim Wilson's column in "Shooting Times"?  Not only did he spend many years in law enforcement, he's a helluva picker and a fair song-writer.  I "coffee-up" with him from time to time; he's quite enjoyable.  http://www.sheriffjimwilson.com (http://www.sheriffjimwilson.com)

I rode "Buddy Patrol" with the Austin PD, back in 1973.  I learned a lot, just riding along during the 3PM-11PM shift on Friday nights.  That's part of why I regard LEOs as most good, many indifferent, very few bad.

I've know the deputy sheriffs in my area for over 20 years.  One was probably Mensa-qualified.  The others have been danged nice guys.  A recent sheriff was a staunch Second Amendment supporter and an NRA member.

Over at The High Road, it seems like darned near half our moderators are LEOs.  Not quite, actually, but it seems so.  You oughta go to The Firing Line and search for "The Law Dog Files".  They're a hoot!  I've personally met several of THR's LEO mods; they're welcome at my house anytime.

No group is perfect.  Write that down and remember it.  That includes any Board on the Internet, too...

:), 'Rat
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Jack21221 on November 16, 2004, 10:17:03 pm
Most cops choose a career that involves taking away the rights of people that harm nobody but themselves, enforcing seat belt laws, prostitution laws, and drug laws. I don't care if a cop has a good attitude while he is ordering me to pay 30 bucks to the state for not wearing a seat belt, he is still enforcing a sick law.  
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: byron on November 16, 2004, 11:11:57 pm
We have had a rash of home invasion robberies the last 2 weeks. Not a day has gone by that these 2 and sometimes 3 guys dressed in black and ski masks with guns break into homes, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day.  These are really some bad dudes. Nobody has been shot, but some homeowners have been beaten. The news reports show one or two cops going to the house to take the report, after the fact.  The cop interviewed always says "these guys are armed and dangerous, don't resist, give up your belongings, it is not worth your life."

At the same time, cops are going around and lecturing people who leave their garage doors open while carrying in groceries or mowing the lawn.

Meanwhile, tonight, cops showed themselves using their  ploys and toys to make criminals out of teens. They have 7 cars positioned around town with keys in the ignition, The cars have cameras to show the thieves faces, in the cars, freaking out when the red lights come on. Cops are staking out the cars, and when the guys take off in the stolen car, the chase begins. If the guys really make a run for it, out come the spike sticks, and multiple cop cars making wild maneuvers to stop the thieves.  Two of the videos showed young teens making a run, being a danger to other unsupecting drivers, and skidding sideways when spike sticks flatten the tires. The cops get on camera with chests puffed, smile, and warn the viewers "do this and we will get you."

At the same time, cops in unmarked cars are sitting outside convenience stores ticketing those who run into the store and leave the keys in their cars or leave their car running.

We've all seen how cops set-up johns with female cop "prostitutes" , or entice people into buying a ten dollar bag of dope, on TV programs. Now some are car thieves. Some of these people  did not have a record before the cops set them up. I wonder how many of these people will be unable to get a decent job in the future, because of their records, and will become the next batch of home invasion robbers that cops can't seem to catch?  
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: ultralongrunner on November 17, 2004, 09:32:35 am
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Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Miami-Dade police said an officer should not have used a stun gun to stop a 12-year-old girl who was skipping school.
BY SUSANNAH A. NESMITH
snesmith@herald.com

 
I just wanna know when they kill a kid with a taser, what's going to happen?

Around here, the cops carry their tasers below their sidearms and are known to be quite quick to draw and zap.  The good news is that the ambulance service I work for isn't trained to remove the barbs, but the fire department is.  So the fire department gets called, not us... (unless they also got pepper maced).

ultralongrunner  
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: debeez on November 17, 2004, 09:54:34 am
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I just wanna know when they kill a kid with a taser, what's going to happen?

Probably about the same thing that will happen to the cop who shot that college kid in the eye with a pepper bullet...
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: ultralongrunner on November 17, 2004, 12:38:55 pm
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I just wanna know when they kill a kid with a taser, what's going to happen?

Probably about the same thing that will happen to the cop who shot that college kid in the eye with a pepper bullet...
You are right, probably nothing.  Heck, we've been killing people with tear gas/pepper spray for years without a cry of alarm.

If you are exposed to it enough, pepper spray doesn't work very well as the cops are finding out.  Sure it hurts, but it can be dealt with.  

I wonder what it would take to defeat tasers?  I did see someone so whacked out on cocaine that the taser made him smile as he kept fighting and wonder if given enough exposure or proper training/mindset, you could fight through the effects.

ultralongrunner
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on November 17, 2004, 01:43:14 pm
greetings Mouse,

I figured you'd be a valued addition to this forum, primarilly because you seem to be able to put things into perspective, and question EVERYTHING.....and more importantly seem to be an honest person regardless of whether or whether it's not in your best interests to do so.......
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Desertrat on November 17, 2004, 06:28:08 pm
Gee, I guess I live in the wrong place.

Vignette:

Cowboy Doug arrives at the postoffice in his ancient pickup, simultaneously with the constable.  "Doug," sez the constable, "Your license plate's expired."  (For sure, it was.  About three years before.)

"Yeah, and I don't have any insurance or an inspection sticker, but don't tell the law."

"Doug, I AM the law."

"Well, forget I said anything."

"Okay."  And they walked on into the postoffice...

Nice to have folks interested in keeping the peace.  We're a little short on folks only interested in enforcing the law...

:), 'Rat

 
Title: Police Tasered truant girl, 12
Post by: Jack Boone on November 18, 2004, 02:35:02 am
I sure wish I lived where Desertrat lives, things are a lot different some other places.  

I have one question regarding tasering kids.    On the threads we have had here, the six year old was tasered in a school, the 12 year old was tasered for truancy.  

My question. Were either one of these tasered by regular officers, or by people who were specifically detailed to these particular jobs?  In other words, do cops detailed for school security even carry tasers? Or do cops detailed to truancy?  

In the long run, that's where we care about the next offense.  If we don't resist the idea of people detailed to these jobs carrying tasers, we won't be able to do much about the fact that some of their victims will die.  Sooner or later.  And using the pre-rehearsed excuse that it was done "for their safety".

A similar reason that Concealed Carry is now legal in Alaska without permit.  When it was done by permit, that fact was shown to the state trooper when he "ran the license" from his patrol car. So when he shot the driver in the back on a dark road, he would already have his reason prepared, that the whole incident was "for his safety" after the driver had "put the car into reverse" to "run over the trooper".

I repeat, sure wish I lived where desertrat does.  It would change my ideas a lot.

Jack Boone
"No government should declare war on its own people."