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Title: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 13, 2014, 12:44:16 pm
I'm with this guy. I'm all done backing up...

Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/tyrants-dont-respond-peaceful-protests-american-spring-cant-support/

Does this sound like the profile of someone (Barack Obama) who might just decide to do the right thing when you show up with your signs? Do you think that someone who is willing to cover for a government who killed 3000+ Americans on 9/11 is just going to say, ďYou are right. What were we thinking? We should step down because we are bad for America.Ē

THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO CONSCIENCE AND WE KEEP ACTING LIKE THEY DO!
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Who...me? on January 13, 2014, 03:58:57 pm
Everything he says is so very true. But until enough people stand up with determination...and lots of ammo...nothing will ever change.   The main problem is most people are NOT WILLING TO DIE for their beliefs.  Allow me to say that again in another way.  In an armed rebellion a shit load of people will die.  Good guys, bad guys and a whole bunch of those who don't want to get involved. 

Here is the thing.  If tomorrow I decide that I have had enough of this crap and draw a line.  What ever that line is isn't important, but when it crossed I am damn well gonna drop the hammer.  But if several million of my pissed off, no more line crossing brothers and sisters stand up at the same time...you would just see another news story about some crazy redneck, militia, domestic terrorist that did whatever it was that I did and is now occupying a spot in a morgue/holding cell.


Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 13, 2014, 06:03:40 pm
Everything he says is so very true. But until enough people stand up with determination...and lots of ammo...nothing will ever change.   The main problem is most people are NOT WILLING TO DIE for their beliefs.

No, not even close. The problem is what most people actually believe. They believe that the government, the "powers that be" honestly do have legitimate authority to do what they do, even when they don't like what they do. The belief is that they just need to "elect the right people" so their masters won't do those awful things, but nothing changes their perception of the legitimacy of the authority of the "masters" over them. The total incongruity of this is completely lost on most people, unfortunately.

When people accept self ownership, personal responsibility for their own lives and families, and give up the most dangerous superstition of "others" authority over them... THEN we won't need an armed revolution. Atlas will shrug. The PTB cannot survive if nobody will give them the time of day, let along allow the theft of their lives and property. Defending THAT might require an armed response occasionally, but the attitude and beliefs have to change first.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: knobster on January 13, 2014, 08:00:10 pm
No, not even close. The problem is what most people actually believe. They believe that the government, the "powers that be" honestly do have legitimate authority to do what they do, even when they don't like what they do. The belief is that they just need to "elect the right people" so their masters won't do those awful things, but nothing changes their perception of the legitimacy of the authority of the "masters" over them. The total incongruity of this is completely lost on most people, unfortunately.

+1E100

There are so many people I talk to that say those very words.  "We just need to elect the right people."  "Just wait until the next election."  "We need to get more conservatives in DC."

I'm slooooooowly starting to convince a few of them that it doesn't really matter whether a D or an R is after their name out in Washington.  They are all crooks. 

Excellent article.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Rarick on January 14, 2014, 06:10:35 am
Most of the mainstream I talk too will not buy into anarchy, but the will buy into fewer masters........a smaller govt.....the couple people I have seen go all the way to anarchy started with that premise and rolled down the rest of the hill on their own......
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 14, 2014, 06:47:09 am
Most of the mainstream I talk too will not buy into anarchy, but the will buy into fewer masters........a smaller govt.....the couple people I have seen go all the way to anarchy started with that premise and rolled down the rest of the hill on their own......

I've seen far better outcomes since I stopped talking about "anarchy" and started talking only about self ownership, self government, and self responsibility. All of the fears of "anarchy" are actually answered perfectly when people really understand SELF government and SELF defense as being that "smaller government" they've been talking about for so long.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: stainzblue on January 14, 2014, 09:10:12 am
I have also learned that I can not use the word anarchy at all. For some reason it scares the heck out of people that are used to being told what to do my their church, their boss, the police, and our dear political leaders.

Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Bear on January 14, 2014, 10:48:20 am
Bumper stickers for the next election:

"Voting for the lesser of two Evils is still voting for Evil"

"You get what you vote for.'

Bear
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 14, 2014, 11:42:10 am
Here's a visual:

On the left, a black slave being whipped, On the right, an old lady on the ground being tasered

Text:  Most politicians still believe they can make slaves of others. They love it when you "vote" and agree with them.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Byte Me on January 14, 2014, 12:21:06 pm
Here's a visual:

On the left, a black slave being whipped, On the right, an old lady on the ground being tasered

Text:  Most politicians still believe they can make slaves of others. They love it when you "vote" and agree with them.

That makes for an excellent visual!

I like the visual, but I like more ambiguous text that makes the reader start questioning.

So how about:

On the left, a black slave being whipped; on the right, an old lady on the ground being tasered
Text:  The only difference is her vote


Yes, it could be interpreted that she voted the "wrong" way and should fix it with her next vote.  But hopefully it would present the question of voting validity at all.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Who...me? on January 14, 2014, 02:51:02 pm
Lol well mamma that is true...but I want counting the sheeple in the first place
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Byte Me on January 14, 2014, 03:43:35 pm
Woah scarmig you blew my mind...I was like...I don't remember saying any of that stuff!  Then I saw the edit by line.  I do remember thinking how it could be worded for more impact but that was all in my head!  How'd you get in there?   :laugh:

I thought the last sentence could have been worded:  They love it when you "vote"; proof enough for them that you agree.

It has to follow the first sentence to maintain the proper context though.

PS You really should have quoted my text and responded under your name rather than editing your words into my post!  No way for an outsider looking in to differentiate what was said by whom and in response to what.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 14, 2014, 03:55:48 pm
Woah scarmig you blew my mind...I was like...I don't remember saying any of that stuff!  Then I saw the edit by line.  I do remember thinking how it could be worded for more impact but that was all in my head!  How'd you get in there?   :laugh:

I thought the last sentence could have been worded:  They love it when you "vote"; proof enough for them that you agree.

It has to follow the first sentence to maintain the proper context though.

PS You really should have quoted my text and responded under your name rather than editing your words into my post!  No way for an outsider looking in to differentiate what was said by whom and in response to what.

Scarmig has not contributed to this thread that I can see... did you mean me?
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 14, 2014, 03:59:03 pm
On the left, a black slave being whipped; on the right, an old lady on the ground being tasered
Text:  The only difference is her vote

Yes, it could be interpreted that she voted the "wrong" way and should fix it with her next vote.  But hopefully it would present the question of voting validity at all.

No, the "vote" is in the aggregate. Do you think for a moment that the cop tasering the old lady gives a crap how she might have "voted?"
Hell no. He has the POWER and the "AUTHORITAH" and that's all that matters.

There is zero "validity" in voting if one's goal is self ownership and justice.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Byte Me on January 14, 2014, 09:34:49 pm
Woah scarmig you blew my mind...I was like...I don't remember saying any of that stuff!  Then I saw the edit by line.  I do remember thinking how it could be worded for more impact but that was all in my head!  How'd you get in there?   :laugh:

I thought the last sentence could have been worded:  They love it when you "vote"; proof enough for them that you agree.

It has to follow the first sentence to maintain the proper context though.

PS You really should have quoted my text and responded under your name rather than editing your words into my post!  No way for an outsider looking in to differentiate what was said by whom and in response to what.

Scarmig has not contributed to this thread that I can see... did you mean me?

My first post says last edited by scarmig...it was a 1 sentence post:  That makes for an excellent visual!

On the left, a black slave being whipped; on the right, an old lady on the ground being tasered
Text:  The only difference is her vote

Yes, it could be interpreted that she voted the "wrong" way and should fix it with her next vote.  But hopefully it would present the question of voting validity at all.

No, the "vote" is in the aggregate. Do you think for a moment that the cop tasering the old lady gives a crap how she might have "voted?"
Hell no. He has the POWER and the "AUTHORITAH" and that's all that matters.

There is zero "validity" in voting if one's goal is self ownership and justice.

What you're responding to under my name was not written by me...see what I mean when I say people aren't sure what was said by whom in response to what?
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on January 15, 2014, 12:34:01 am
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but the attitude and beliefs have to change first.

Yeah with the biggest belief being that's it's "government money" that just magically springs from the ground rather than money stolen from other people.
Which of course points to the attitude, which is that as long as "I" didn't personally steal the money then it's alright to take the money.

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There is zero "validity" in voting if one's goal is self ownership and justice.

Of course not, because ANY vote is a vote against self ownership at least, and most probably justice as well, as that vote allows another to define what justice is and is not.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 15, 2014, 05:23:20 am
My first post says last edited by scarmig...it was a 1 sentence post:  That makes for an excellent visual!

Sorry, I did not see that. No idea why scarmig would do that...

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What you're responding to under my name was not written by me...see what I mean when I say people aren't sure what was said by whom in response to what?

Well, that was highly unusual for scarmig to do that. Normally, it is fairly clear who says what.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Scarmiglione' on January 15, 2014, 06:51:49 am
No something went wrong, and something I posted appears to have gotten confused or messed up.  Or maybe I accidentially "edited" Byte's post with what I was posting instead of responding.

Either way, it was not intentional.  My apologies!
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 15, 2014, 07:13:33 am
Or maybe I accidentially "edited" Byte's post with what I was posting instead of responding.

Either way, it was not intentional.  My apologies!

AH!! I've actually done that a few times myself. Mystery solved. :)
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Byte Me on January 15, 2014, 12:04:25 pm
No something went wrong, and something I posted appears to have gotten confused or messed up.  Or maybe I accidentially "edited" Byte's post with what I was posting instead of responding.

Either way, it was not intentional.  My apologies!

I know how it goes...

But, a floggin' is in order!  vvvv Flogging Molly video of The Worst Day Since Yesterday - prob my favorite song of theirs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDSud7vAH_0


No biggy.  Just wanted to make sure it was all straight!
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: RVM45 on October 14, 2014, 03:23:17 pm
Sane and Cautious Tyrants may respond to edgy protests that are right on the Edge of Erupting into Open Rioting and InsurrectionÖ

Our Tyrants are tunnel-visioned and while all of them May not be technically Insaneóthe Soi Disant Politikal System they form the Monitoring and Response portions of is built in such a way that it can only react Sluggishly and/or in Inappropriate and Neurotic ways to external stimulation.

It isn't so much that the Kenyan (and many Individual members of Congress) are Crooked, Stupid and NeuroticÖ

The interestingóand tragicóthing is, even if they were Sane Men of Goodwill they couldn't do much differently at the moment.

Sure, given forty or fifty years and carte blanche to rebuild the whole system from the ground upÖ

{Yeah, many are saying, "Even a new Rational State would lack any Moral Authority to use Force and Coercion."

That isn't really responsive when someone asks not "Should we have a Machine?" but "How could we do a full Arsenal Rebuild on the Machine that we have?"}


Ö..RVM45               :mellow: :thumbsup: :mellow:
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Taylor Kalashnikov on March 20, 2017, 01:32:25 pm
Tyrants tend to listen to peaceful protest if they fear that the alternative is a viable violent opposition that is a true threat to them
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on March 20, 2017, 02:10:40 pm
Tyrants tend to listen to peaceful protest if they fear that the alternative is a viable violent opposition that is a true threat to them

Maybe, if they are not too arrogant or deluded to even believe such a thing is possible. If you have a vast army, the humble, unarmed prophet at the gate is unlikely to cause such fear. Or even dozens of such peaceful prophets.

Armed prophets probably won't waste their time sitting at the gate. :) What is there about unarmed and peaceful protesters that would indicate violent opposition was possible? Not saying it can't go that way, but I don't see much indication.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: Taylor Kalashnikov on March 20, 2017, 09:52:32 pm
Tyrants tend to listen to peaceful protest if they fear that the alternative is a viable violent opposition that is a true threat to them

Maybe, if they are not too arrogant or deluded to even believe such a thing is possible. If you have a vast army, the humble, unarmed prophet at the gate is unlikely to cause such fear. Or even dozens of such peaceful prophets.

Armed prophets probably won't waste their time sitting at the gate. :) What is there about unarmed and peaceful protesters that would indicate violent opposition was possible? Not saying it can't go that way, but I don't see much indication.

for example.....throughout the soviet bloc in the late 80s/early90s, with the exception of Romania, the fall of communism was for the most part peaceful...and I hypothesize that was partially due to fear that the rank and file of the red army would possibly join the opposition and the communist party knew that.
also, during the civil rights movement, the militant wing, like Malcolm, the panthers etc, were a much scarier  alternative than sitting down and compromising with the likes of Dr King.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: MamaLiberty on March 21, 2017, 04:32:59 am
during the civil rights movement, the militant wing, like Malcolm, the panthers etc, were a much scarier  alternative than sitting down and compromising with the likes of Dr King.

King was backed by a fairly large number of armed folks, but I'm not at all sure there was any compromising done in truth. King is a very complex subject, and I suspect a lot of the truth will never be known. In any case, us mundanes won't be pushed around quite as much as long as we keep our guns.
Title: Re: Tyrants Donít Respond to Peaceful Protests
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on February 17, 2018, 02:28:09 am
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THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO CONSCIENCE AND WE KEEP ACTING LIKE THEY DO!
that's because you base it on the incorrect assumption that they are people.
They're not.....they're animals devoid of logic and ethics.