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Title: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 04, 2014, 07:56:59 pm
Survival Blog has a new editor....Hugh. More like, huge. As in HUGE mistake. I've always thought that SB was way too religious, but it has gone off the deep end with this new editor. JWR handed the reigns to a certified bible thumper. I know that many here have already abandoned SB, but I still hung on. There was still good information there. You just had to ignore all the religious bullshit. But no more. It is IMPOSSIBLE to ignore now. Just about every single article is more about religion than it is about prepping or survival. What a waste. I will NOT be visiting that site ever again. They have lost me as a reader, and I'm fairly certain that I am not the only one. I wonder what the average readership will be in 6 months?

Sorry....had to rant a bit.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: MamaLiberty on March 05, 2014, 06:16:32 am
Time for someone to start a new one, I guess. It's so easy to do these days. I would imagine you are not alone, DL. :)
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: knobster on March 05, 2014, 06:38:31 am
I stopped going for other reasons.  Seemed like every other article was 'prepping for beginners'.  While that is fine for people just waking up, someone like me who has rubbed most of the sleep out needs... more.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: MamaLiberty on March 05, 2014, 11:57:34 am
Well, well, well... looks as if someone DID start a new one. http://brinkoffreedom.net/

Claire says: Brink of Freedom is a great place. It combines a freedomista attitude, high energy, and useful self-sufficiency how-tos.

I've bookmarked it and will be looking it over.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: knobster on March 05, 2014, 12:23:26 pm
Well, well, well... looks as if someone DID start a new one. http://brinkoffreedom.net/

Claire says: Brink of Freedom is a great place. It combines a freedomista attitude, high energy, and useful self-sufficiency how-tos.

I've bookmarked it and will be looking it over.

Wow.  Very neat.  I've added this to my morning coffee reading.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 05, 2014, 01:11:32 pm
Well, well, well... looks as if someone DID start a new one. http://brinkoffreedom.net/

Claire says: Brink of Freedom is a great place. It combines a freedomista attitude, high energy, and useful self-sufficiency how-tos.

I've bookmarked it and will be looking it over.
Interesting. I too will be giving it a once over. Thx!
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 05, 2014, 01:55:39 pm
First impressions of BrinkOfLiberty-

1. It is not a blog. Not at all. It is an online magazine.
2. It's not free. $29/year for full access membership
3. Not very much free content available.
4. Not a "daily read". More like a "monthly read", whether you pay or not.
5. Involved in social networking. IMHO, using facebook is a no-no. It shows that the founder has piss-poor OPSEC and is more interested in making money than providing information to those that seek it.
6. There is some kind of "points" system that rewards commenting and posting articles. What the "points" are good for, I have no idea. Seems to me that a "points" system would encourage trolls.

This is just my first impression of the site. I may be wrong about some of the things that I listed. I'm not saying that it's not worth perusing. There are some cool articles there, although there are religious tripe sprinkled around that site too.

What do you guys think of the site?
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: MamaLiberty on March 05, 2014, 02:26:08 pm
What do you guys think of the site?

Have not had time to really look at it. Saw the subscription deal (not yet available, far as I can see) and wouldn't go there. The "points" thing seems rather juvenile, and I had not thought of that increasing trolls, but you are right.

It's new, however, so I wouldn't expect much content yet, free or otherwise. They are actively soliciting articles now, so we'll see where this goes. I looked at some of the health articles. Typical for this sort of publication, but nothing not available in lots of other places on the web and in books.

No real indication of how the articles will be vetted, if at all, so it may be "buyer beware" pretty much. The one herbal article I read had footnotes, but they were not hyperlinked. Most people would not bother to search for them.

If you leave a comment, be aware of the very sneaky pre checked box that "requests" an email alert to new articles, offers, etc. I already had an email from them the next time I checked incoming mail. I just HATE that kind of thing, but unsubscribing was easy.

I don't have any problem whatsoever with someone who wants to put up a site like this and make some money. Just needs to be up front about it and not play games. I don't like playing games...
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: da gooch on March 05, 2014, 10:46:47 pm
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If you leave a comment, be aware of the very sneaky pre checked box that "requests" an email alert to new articles, offers, etc. I already had an email from them the next time I checked incoming mail. I just HATE that kind of thing, but unsubscribing was easy.
me too ML.

Thanks for the heads up.

That is enough to warn me off the place before even going there.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: knobster on March 06, 2014, 06:54:20 am
Perhaps Brink of Freedom is not a daily read but there seems to be plenty of good information there.  I just finished an article comparing natural vs synthetic antivirals for combating the flu.  I don't plan on leaving comments or subscribing to anything.  I'll pop on to the site from time to time, perhaps learn a few things and enjoy my cheap coffee.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Tipitaka on March 06, 2014, 10:58:06 am
Oh great. The rock-chuckers are making contingency plans for the end of days. You know, living in pretty much the exact spot where the Upper Midwest meets Appalachia has its perks, but it also has its downside. Mostly it's the high concentration of fanatical monotheists and the need to hide one's beliefs whenever they differ significantly as a safety measure. When they ask me pointed questions, I have to be careful to say things in a way that sounds like what they're used to hearing without saying anything untrue. But I'm much more open online than in person because of anonymity.

So for example:

Question: Do you believe in God?

Meatspace Answer: Oh sure, I guess so.

Internet Answer: Which one?


Question: (after I turned down their request to attend their church) Why not?

Meatspace Answer: I prefer to spend time with deity in my garden or at the park. Churches are made by human hands and can't compare to nature. I commune better in the cathedral carpeted by grass, cloistered with trees, walled with mountains, and roofed by the sky.

Internet Answer: I'm not very fond of churches, I'd rather spend my time in the garden learning about deity from my tomatoes.


Question: *when caught meditating in a Nemeton* What are you doing? Isn't worshiping in a grove sinful?

Meatspace Answer: Gethsemane is a grove of olive trees. Jesus prayed there. Shouldn't a follower *gestures towards asker* copy their master? I was just leaving, it's all yours. *leaves*

Hypothetical Internet Answer: For you maybe. But my religion doesn't have a problem with trees. Sometimes I like to sit up here and drink while making toasts to my ancestors and their Gods.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Who...me? on March 06, 2014, 03:09:54 pm
"Do you believe in God"

"I believe you should mind your own business, what I believe and where I believe it are not any of your concern"
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: MamaLiberty on March 06, 2014, 03:16:40 pm
"Do you believe in God"

"I believe you should mind your own business, what I believe and where I believe it are not any of your concern"

Good one...
I respond to such questions with a raised eyebrow and, "That's a very personal question. I don't believe it's any of your business." And I don't care who or where they are...
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Tipitaka on March 07, 2014, 10:02:44 am
"Do you believe in God"

"I believe you should mind your own business, what I believe and where I believe it are not any of your concern"

Good one...
I respond to such questions with a raised eyebrow and, "That's a very personal question. I don't believe it's any of your business." And I don't care who or where they are...

Am I being too nice in person? I live in a pretty close-knit neighborhood...
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: MamaLiberty on March 07, 2014, 10:41:50 am
Am I being too nice in person? I live in a pretty close-knit neighborhood...

What is "nice?"  I'm telling the truth, whether the hearers think it is "nice" or otherwise.

I'm not going to play games with anyone, so if I'm asked a question, they'll get the absolute straight answer, no matter who they are. You are the only one who can judge how you see your relationships with anyone else, and what is right for you to say to them.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Moonbeam on March 07, 2014, 12:27:41 pm
I'm not going to play games with anyone, so if I'm asked a question, they'll get the absolute straight answer, no matter who they are. You are the only one who can judge how you see your relationships with anyone else, and what is right for you to say to them.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Who...me? on March 07, 2014, 07:28:23 pm
"Do you believe in God"

"I believe you should mind your own business, what I believe and where I believe it are not any of your concern"

Good one...
I respond to such questions with a raised eyebrow and, "That's a very personal question. I don't believe it's any of your business." And I don't care who or where they are...

Am I being too nice in person? I live in a pretty close-knit neighborhood...

Actually I thought that WAS nice.  Much nicer that the person who would ask such a question of me.  A question that in my experience is usually asked down the nose of some judgmental hypocrite.   
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Rarick on March 08, 2014, 07:18:28 am
I just say "I do not need saving"  and if the persist I get rude.........usually something like "Stop selling salvation and go away".  Other times I will ask if they wish to be a Martyr and when they say no, I remark their god must not be worth much........
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: da gooch on March 10, 2014, 09:07:21 pm
"Do you believe in God"

"I believe you should mind your own business, what I believe and where I believe it are not any of your concern"

Good one...
I respond to such questions with a raised eyebrow and, "That's a very personal question. I don't believe it's any of your business." And I don't care who or where they are...

Am I being too nice in person? I live in a pretty close-knit neighborhood...

Actually I thought that WAS nice.  Much nicer that the person who would ask such a question of me.  A question that in my experience is usually asked down the nose of some judgmental hypocrite.

emphasis is mine - gooch

Since you did ask ...
I would say that if your "being too nice" is keeping the supposed salvation sellers from any sort of violence then nope not too nice.
Too nice will be when they decide that you are insulting them or their religion [___enter your personal favorite here ___] and begin to use aggression upon your freedoms and/or personal space.

:twocents:
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Silver on March 11, 2014, 09:02:48 am
When I'm beset by proselytizers, I ask them "What brand are you?"  That generally breaks their concentration enough to effect an escape, or ejection, whichever is appropriate.

Peace,

Silver
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Tipitaka on March 13, 2014, 04:07:11 am
"Do you believe in God"

"I believe you should mind your own business, what I believe and where I believe it are not any of your concern"

Good one...
I respond to such questions with a raised eyebrow and, "That's a very personal question. I don't believe it's any of your business." And I don't care who or where they are...

Am I being too nice in person? I live in a pretty close-knit neighborhood...

Actually I thought that WAS nice.  Much nicer that the person who would ask such a question of me.  A question that in my experience is usually asked down the nose of some judgmental hypocrite.

emphasis is mine - gooch

Since you did ask ...
I would say that if your "being too nice" is keeping the supposed salvation sellers from any sort of violence then nope not too nice.
Too nice will be when they decide that you are insulting them or their religion [___enter your personal favorite here ___] and begin to use aggression upon your freedoms and/or personal space.

:twocents:

That's what I thought. It's not generally considered wise to yank on a tiger's ball sack.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Currawong on April 24, 2014, 11:28:04 pm
Hell man, that is SO funny. Thanks for the laugh-just what I needed (and your recipes as well!!).
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Tipitaka on April 25, 2014, 02:00:22 am
Hell man, that is SO funny. Thanks for the laugh-just what I needed (and your recipes as well!!).

I actually do think it's funny in hindsight... Glad to help.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Klapton Isgod on April 25, 2014, 12:36:51 pm
My answer:

In the Army, I had them put "Romans 10:9" on my dogtags so the preacher will know what to preach on at my funeral.

They either know it, and are satisfied, or they have to go look it up and I can escape or change the subject.

Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on June 14, 2014, 01:27:48 am
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"Stop selling salvation and go away".
"Salvation" isn't going to be granted by one selling dogma.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Tipitaka on June 14, 2014, 02:48:54 am
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"Stop selling salvation and go away".
"Salvation" isn't going to be granted by one selling dogma.

When someone tries to sell me the salvation thing, I just use logic to crush their argument. It usually goes something like this:

Them: Some variety of "You must be saved to enter heaven!"

Me: "I don't believe in heaven."

Them: "Okay... But you don't want to go to hell right? So you gotta be saved from your sins!"

Me: "I don't believe in hell or sin (because it's a faulty concept)."

Them: "The devil lied to you! They're both real!"

Me: "I don't believe in the devil."

Them: "Well he believes in you!"

Me: "Thanks for the support?"

Them: "But Jesus hung on a tree for your sins! No other god did anything like that for you!"

Me: "Allfather Odin was crucified on the world tree for 9 days, sacrificed and eye, and got himself down... all so men could wield magic through Runes."

Them: "Huh? Who's that?"

Me: "Germanic God of War and father of humanity. He's the central figure of Asatru and head of the tribe of Gods called the Aesir."

Them: "That god isn't real!"

Me: "Prove it."

Them: "Just read the bible! I'm sure you will understand how wrong you are when you do."

Me: "I've read it. I wasn't fond of all the murder and rape and other assorted nastiness."

Them: "No, that's not in the bible."

Me: "Believe whatever you like. As long as you don't bother me, I couldn't care less."

Them: "The bible says you need to be saved!"

Me: "From what? I'm fine."

Them: "From your sins!!! Everybody has fallen short of the glory of god!"

Me: *sigh* "My religion doesn't have a concept of sin or an obligation to be god-like. So I don't really care about that."

Them: "But the Bible-"

Me: "...is just a book. It doesn't have any special powers, nor any evidence to back it up. It's a claim, not the proof. If you want to make me believe something, show me proof. I'm very open-minded."

Them: "The proof is in the book!"

Me: "Books can make all the claims in the world, but the true things can be easily verified."

Them: "All the places in the bible were real!"

Me: "The Time Machine by HG Wells was set in England. England is a real place. Therefore it is a true story by your logic."

Them: "I'll pray for your soul..."

Me: "Take the beam out of your own eye first... Seeya..."
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: rbryant on June 14, 2014, 12:11:44 pm
Color me a cynic, but when it comes to disaster preparedness my only religious belief is that "God helps them that helps themselves".  Still, SB is a tremendous resource that should not be ignored.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 14, 2014, 12:24:20 pm
Color me a cynic, but when it comes to disaster preparedness my only religious belief is that "God helps them that helps themselves".  Still, SB is a tremendous resource that should not be ignored.
I can't overlook all of the religious stuff. SB is for beginning preppers anyways. I've moved on. You will too eventually.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: knobster on June 15, 2014, 06:56:59 am
Color me a cynic, but when it comes to disaster preparedness my only religious belief is that "God helps them that helps themselves".  Still, SB is a tremendous resource that should not be ignored.
I can't overlook all of the religious stuff. SB is for beginning preppers anyways. I've moved on. You will too eventually.

I'm a religious person but do not like the 'in your face' approach that SB takes.

+1 on the beginning statement; I went to that site every day for years when I first had my eyes opened.  Now, I've been there, done that, have the t-shirt.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 15, 2014, 11:23:42 am
Color me a cynic, but when it comes to disaster preparedness my only religious belief is that "God helps them that helps themselves".  Still, SB is a tremendous resource that should not be ignored.
I can't overlook all of the religious stuff. SB is for beginning preppers anyways. I've moved on. You will too eventually.

I'm a religious person but do not like the 'in your face' approach that SB takes.

+1 on the beginning statement; I went to that site every day for years when I first had my eyes opened.  Now, I've been there, done that, have the t-shirt.

I grew up in a place where stocking up on things was the norm.  It wasn't survivalism or some other bullshit term coined by media lackeys looking for someone to demonize to get ratings and sell commercials for usually useless stuff.

No, I spent just some of my formative years there, and I must say, if you have seen Doctor Zhivago (the omar shariff 1965 movie) they nail it very well.  I was  born on the back end of that "movement" so I learned well enough and when I finally did run into mentions of Survival Blog, I thought it was an outdoors blog. :D
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Lonewolf72 on June 15, 2014, 11:31:38 am
Sounds similar to me when I first heard the term "prepping". When I looked into what it meant, I found I had been doing that all of my life. When I was growing up we raised most of our own meat and vegetables, and "prepping" was just getting ready for winter.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: rbryant on June 22, 2014, 09:31:10 pm
Color me a cynic, but when it comes to disaster preparedness my only religious belief is that "God helps them that helps themselves".  Still, SB is a tremendous resource that should not be ignored.
I can't overlook all of the religious stuff. SB is for beginning preppers anyways. I've moved on. You will too eventually.

Depending on the future you anticipate it's not a bad idea for the experienced prepper to have a foot-in-the-door of the venues that address those new to prepping.  It gives us an opportunity to usher in new folks who may contribute to our own security (e.g. friends and neighbors).

Having given it a lot of thought for many years, and having consulted with innumerable other experienced preppers, I've concluded that one's best bet for surviving a worst case scenario is to be part of a larger community (even if that community does not consist predominantly of those who are preparing in advance).
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 23, 2014, 03:53:07 pm
Color me a cynic, but when it comes to disaster preparedness my only religious belief is that "God helps them that helps themselves".  Still, SB is a tremendous resource that should not be ignored.
I can't overlook all of the religious stuff. SB is for beginning preppers anyways. I've moved on. You will too eventually.

 I've concluded that one's best bet for surviving a worst case scenario is to be part of a larger community (even if that community does not consist predominantly of those who are preparing in advance).
Agreed. I wouldn't steer them to SB though. Hardcore religion nuts are NOT the type of people that I would want in my group, and that IS the type that would frequent that site. SB is not the only game in town. I'm pretty sure that readership has gone down quite a bit since JWR handed over the reigns. There's a reason.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Rarick on June 24, 2014, 10:12:09 am
Sounds similar to me when I first heard the term "prepping". When I looked into what it meant, I found I had been doing that all of my life. When I was growing up we raised most of our own meat and vegetables, and "prepping" was just getting ready for winter.

Putting up the preserves.  I didn't realize how unusual that was until we lost the farm and had to move to Granolaville............   Living on the farm was always about self sufficiency, mom put in my first 3 sets of stitches after some violently painful experiences with alchohol and Iodine, I learned to be careful.....   I was replacing washers in the plumbing instead of dad by the age of ten........   City folks are soooo dependent it is scary.

As for SB, yep a lot of true believers on there spouting "alignment language" I can ignore that and get the initial tidbits.  Their link list is awesome too, even if it is "Associates".
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: StillaGhost on June 24, 2014, 04:16:08 pm
SB is not the only game in town. I'm pretty sure that readership has gone down quite a bit since JWR handed over the reigns. There's a reason.

 
 
   Rawles *IS* " hard core religion , remember that he " accepted the Great Commission". He's a neoCalvinist of the first water , I don't think you were here for that blowup with the first incarnation of his " manifesto " which basically stated that if you aren't Christian don't move to the " Redoubt ".
 
    Note that he backed off on that and changed it on the blog when he got called on his crap.
 
   And yes I mean Kuyper style neocalvinism , a perversion of the original Calvinist thought and precepts.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 25, 2014, 09:16:40 am
SB is not the only game in town. I'm pretty sure that readership has gone down quite a bit since JWR handed over the reigns. There's a reason.

 
 
   Rawles *IS* " hard core religion , remember that he " accepted the Great Commission". He's a neoCalvinist of the first water , I don't think you were here for that blowup with the first incarnation of his " manifesto " which basically stated that if you aren't Christian don't move to the " Redoubt ".
 
    Note that he backed off on that and changed it on the blog when he got called on his crap.
 
   And yes I mean Kuyper style neocalvinism , a perversion of the original Calvinist thought and precepts.

Yeah, no worries, the redoubt is loaded with tyranny loving super christians.  (What you call the kuyper style neocalvinists.)  I live out this way and I gotta tell you, there's very few who espouse even remotely what "the Man" is said to have said. 
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: StillaGhost on June 25, 2014, 05:51:22 pm

 
 
 
 
   
 
 

Yeah, no worries, the redoubt is loaded with tyranny loving super christians.  (What you call the kuyper style neocalvinists.)  I live out this way and I gotta tell you, there's very few who espouse even remotely what "the Man" is said to have said.

 
   Oh I know this only too well , living within the loose area known as the redoubt. I can get along with them as long as they don't proselytise and/or command. Problem is that they'll frequently interfere with your life in rather nefarious ways if you're not interested in their shuck and jive , and if you're a " former christian " it's even worse until you draw the line in the sand ( so to speak).......
 
   Fundamentalists are basically of the same flavor , be they Christian or Muslim ( or myriad theological/doctrinal systems) , the degree of rabidity varies , the behavior doesn't to any great degree.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: jamie on June 26, 2014, 02:03:06 am
I pretty much left any consideration after reading the first book he wrote. Lot of unnecessary killing among other problems.

The religious aspect is another reason.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 30, 2014, 06:22:29 pm

 
 
 
 
   
 
 

Yeah, no worries, the redoubt is loaded with tyranny loving super christians.  (What you call the kuyper style neocalvinists.)  I live out this way and I gotta tell you, there's very few who espouse even remotely what "the Man" is said to have said.

 
   Oh I know this only too well , living within the loose area known as the redoubt. I can get along with them as long as they don't proselytise and/or command. Problem is that they'll frequently interfere with your life in rather nefarious ways if you're not interested in their shuck and jive , and if you're a " former christian " it's even worse until you draw the line in the sand ( so to speak).......
 
   Fundamentalists are basically of the same flavor , be they Christian or Muslim ( or myriad theological/doctrinal systems) , the degree of rabidity varies , the behavior doesn't to any great degree.

Oh, when the redoubt plugging people plug the NW, and the idea of shunning, they don't realize how much a few assholes in that religious community or various religious or pretend religious groups can harm someone just because "uber leedr" doesn't like someone and drops the dime.  They don't shun former arsonists, burglars or armed robbers.  They offer those guys 20 dollar an hour construction jobs without being asked for it.

An honest man who's never committed a crime can't even get a break with them.

Rand was right.  The religionists preach forgiveness and to them the worthless is worthwhile, the criminal is just and the nefarious is noble.  Everything is ass backwards.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: StillaGhost on February 10, 2015, 11:11:32 am

Rand was right.  The religionists preach forgiveness and to them the worthless is worthwhile, the criminal is just and the nefarious is noble.  Everything is ass backwards.

 
 
  ( rolling rock away from the Tomb of This Thread)......As much as I detest Rand she was undoubtedly correct in the above aspect, a real code of ethics in these times is at some turns diametrically opposed to the operative systems that pass for same in some ideological and/or religious systems.
 
   We reside in an increasingly Orwellian/Randian mutation of society , the future looks no brighter than the current situation.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Shanks Mare on March 14, 2015, 10:25:30 pm
I believe in the One True God....there is no other.

That is my reply. I am a Bible Thumping Christian. :D
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 14, 2015, 10:32:33 pm
I believe in the One True God....there is no other.

That is my reply. I am a Bible Thumping Christian. :D
You must have bloody knuckles. Bibles are hard! :laugh:

That is my reply. :threvil:
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Shanks Mare on March 15, 2015, 09:46:30 am
Not so much as you'd think!!! :D
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 15, 2015, 07:24:56 pm
Not so much as you'd think!!! :D
Have you been at it so long that you've developed calluses? :thrbiggrin:
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Shanks Mare on March 15, 2015, 08:27:15 pm
You have no idea!!!

:D
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 16, 2015, 06:25:38 pm
You have no idea!!!

:D
Sure I do. I have a few uber religious people in my family. At least you are open minded enough to hang out here. My religious relatives......No way. They worship the government (Republicans of course) just as much as they worship "god".  :BangHead:
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Shanks Mare on March 17, 2015, 10:38:18 pm
In some areas, you must draw a line in the sand....but there are so many others where many Christians get it wrong. We become Pharisees....we see our own righteousness, and miss the beam in our eyes.

The trick is to not be religious, to follow God. He gave us a guide book!

I don't believe I've met anyone on this site that is beyond saving, that including myself.  ;)

There is still hope! :D
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: StillaGhost on March 26, 2015, 01:19:12 pm
In some areas, you must draw a line in the sand....but there are so many others where many Christians get it wrong. We become Pharisees....we see our own righteousness, and miss the beam in our eyes.

The trick is to not be religious, to follow God. He gave us a guide book!

I don't believe I've met anyone on this site that is beyond saving, that including myself.  ;)

There is still hope! :D

 
   Frankly , some of us don't care to be " saved ". Lets refer back to a statement you made , though it might well have been tongue in cheek.
 
    " I believe in The One True God."
 
   Whilst it may well have been in jest such a statement highlights what the problems with humanitie's applicatory models of religion hinge upon.
 
  Just about *every* system has their " One True God" model , many are quite willing to abuse and/or eliminate other human beings to teach 'em all about their " One True God"...........
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Shanks Mare on March 26, 2015, 07:48:43 pm
Truly the One True God will make Himself know if but asked.

If you have no desire, then don't ask. If a debate is what you are after, then ask.

There are no better people to "prep" with, than True Christians. And those are easily seen, by their Works.

Be Well. 
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: mothercirce on March 26, 2015, 07:57:35 pm
Mother Circe ask, but what about all those buddhist preppers ? 500 million buddhist on this orbiting mass, certainly some would make great flesh humans to prep with !
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 26, 2015, 08:08:16 pm
Truly the One True God will make Himself know if but asked.

If you have no desire, then don't ask. If a debate is what you are after, then ask.

Be careful what you wish for. SAG is a seasoned debater...... with a mean streak. :laugh: I promised myself that I would not debate religion anymore, but there are quite a few members here that would argue their stance against you, with zero logical fallacies. Many of them (myself included), know more about Christianity, than 95% of the people that say that they are Christians. If you care to look, past debates are easily found. My advice to you is to just let it go. Your efforts would be wasted. You won't be "saving" anyone here. Sorry to sound so callous, but I'm just trying to preempt you of the inevitable outcome of such a debate.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: mothercirce on March 26, 2015, 08:23:04 pm
Truly the One True God will make Himself know if but asked.

If you have no desire, then don't ask. If a debate is what you are after, then ask.

Be careful what you wish for. SAG is a seasoned debater...... with a mean streak. :laugh: I promised myself that I would not debate religion anymore, but there are quite a few members here that would argue their stance against you, with zero logical fallacies. Many of them (myself included), know more about Christianity, than 95% of the people that say that they are Christians. If you care to look, past debates are easily found. My advice to you is to just let it go. Your efforts would be wasted. You won't be "saving" anyone here. Sorry to sound so callous, but I'm just trying to preempt you of the inevitable outcome of such a debate.

Mother Circe says that the son jesus is actually the "sun". Every year the son/sun dies during the winter solstice, oh, around christmas time, where after a lull in the sun/sons movement, the son/sun is resurrected and starts to rise further into the sky with each passing day, bringing the promise of warmer days and LIFE ! Mother Circe loves the son/sun ! Mother Circe finds the symbol of the cross to actually be a symbol of the zodiac calendar. Mother Circe also thought that wearing symbols of the son/sun was a no-no according to the teachings of some of the bibles. Remember, there are so many versions and conflicting words, it can be hard for an old island nymph to keep it all straight. Mother Circe is on a BOAT...in the Aegean sea.

Jesus the sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxBpel9iMw
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Shanks Mare on March 26, 2015, 08:27:24 pm
Truly the One True God will make Himself know if but asked.

If you have no desire, then don't ask. If a debate is what you are after, then ask.

Be careful what you wish for. SAG is a seasoned debater...... with a mean streak. :laugh: I promised myself that I would not debate religion anymore, but there are quite a few members here that would argue their stance against you, with zero logical fallacies. Many of them (myself included), know more about Christianity, than 95% of the people that say that they are Christians. If you care to look, past debates are easily found. My advice to you is to just let it go. Your efforts would be wasted. You won't be "saving" anyone here. Sorry to sound so callous, but I'm just trying to preempt you of the inevitable outcome of such a debate.


No Worries! And Thanks! ;)  No need for debating for the sake of debate, I've been there quite a few times, of course as has anyone that believes in, and tries to follow Christ. I can fairly well cut to the "chase", and know if I'm wasting my time.

The reason I believe to only prep with a Christian, if interested, is the moral background. No drugs, no alcohol abuse, non-homosexual, etc. Like you guys, I've lived on this earth a long time now....and lived in some of the ghettos of some very large cities as a kid. Seen a lot that I didn't like, and some things I don't want to expose my family to. Definitely not my children.

Does that make sense?
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on March 26, 2015, 10:59:47 pm

The reason I believe to only prep with a Christian, if interested, is the moral background. No drugs, no alcohol abuse, non-homosexual, etc. Like you guys, I've lived on this earth a long time now....and lived in some of the ghettos of some very large cities as a kid. Seen a lot that I didn't like, and some things I don't want to expose my family to. Definitely not my children.

Does that make sense?

Yes and no.  I find that if one teaches one's kids properly, one's kids will not be so easily influenced by evil.  And The Man once made a very big deal of calling hypocrites those folks who make a big show of their public and group prayers... I wonder how many churches and believers today he'd take to disliking, somethin' fierce?  Maybe even grab a whip and kick some ass, upturn some tables?

Seen plenty of cliquish evil behavior from "super" christians...  Not the kind of charitable "good samaritan" behavior one expects from those borrowing the word "christ" to attach to themselves as a descriptor.  So just saying, you might be bible thumping, but thumping a bible isn't a requirement for being a good, moral, or Christian man.  Abiding by the lessons The Man taught... well... you know... that might be a better start.  Actually learning those lessons in context helps immensely.  Average American living in a non pastoral society is more akin to a Pharisee than anyone who followed The Man in the day.


And DL, don't feel bad about backing down as politely as you did.  I'm trying to figure out if I want to go to Colorado and stash my guns, or stay here and clean house, become a preacher, and probably get crucified for teaching the actual word, rather than the milquetoast, lukewarm Caesar worshiping bilge that passes for the good stuff.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 26, 2015, 11:30:28 pm


And DL, don't feel bad about backing down as politely as you did.
Why would I feel bad? I am upholding a promise that I made to myself a year or so ago. If I can't hold promises to myself, what does that say for my integrity, or my ability to hold promises for others? My integrity is my most valuable resource. Honor as well. I take it very seriously. I will not be compromised. The earlier posts with Shanks Mare and I, were just good humored ribbing. Not a serious religious debate.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on March 27, 2015, 06:39:48 am


And DL, don't feel bad about backing down as politely as you did.
Why would I feel bad? I am upholding a promise that I made to myself a year or so ago. If I can't hold promises to myself, what does that say for my integrity, or my ability to hold promises for others? My integrity is my most valuable resource. Honor as well. I take it very seriously. I will not be compromised. The earlier posts with Shanks Mare and I, were just good humored ribbing. Not a serious religious debate.

Hah.  yeah... you get to a certain point, and integrity's all you've got, too.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: StillaGhost on March 28, 2015, 02:51:07 pm
Truly the One True God will make Himself know if but asked.

If you have no desire, then don't ask. If a debate is what you are after, then ask.

There are no better people to "prep" with, than True Christians. And those are easily seen, by their Works.

Be Well.

 
 
   Ah yes , the old approach of " if you don't care don't ask" , which of course falls for nought with me.
 
   I'll damned well ASK if I choose to do so , likewise I'll make any damn open statement as regards religion , including Christianity , that I damn well please to make.
 
  And ya might as well ashcan the elementary " true Christians " approach with *me* , I originally came from " true Christianity" and have found over a life time that folks who utilise such arbitrary labels and make such claims are in general about the most hypocritical , judgemental , divisive and exclusionary of all segments of humanity.
 
  " You don't see it my way so you're not in our club." is nothing more than an applied control tactic oriented towards abrogating the " Free Will " that " God" allegedly gave to each and every human being.
 
  Furthermore I can point out " works " by " true christians" over quite a span of mankinds history that " Christians" in general are quite unwilling to step forward and OWN , the excuse being quite frequently " those weren't TRUE christians ". Same old song and dance. Same snake oil.....different vendor.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: StillaGhost on March 28, 2015, 02:57:23 pm


No Worries! And Thanks! ;)  No need for debating for the sake of debate, I've been there quite a few times, of course as has anyone that believes in, and tries to follow Christ. I can fairly well cut to the "chase", and know if I'm wasting my time.

The reason I believe to only prep with a Christian, if interested, is the moral background."********* No drugs, no alcohol abuse, non-homosexual, etc**********. Like you guys, I've lived on this earth a long time now....and lived in some of the ghettos of some very large cities as a kid. Seen a lot that I didn't like, and some things I don't want to expose my family to. Definitely not my children.

Does that make sense?

 
 
   Really ( see highlighted)? Want me to fill several pages with examples of " Christian Stalwarts" , who couldn't get their noses off the mirror , who beat their wives , who had extramaritial affairs , who had dalliances with the same sex , who lied , cheated , embezzled....who stole from others on a mass scale........
 
 
   But hey they weren't " true Christians ".......were they?  We'd nought be arriving at this juncture had you not made it quite clear how little respect and how much disdain you hold for folks that aren't " christian "........in that respect you're exactly as are the Islamics who hold all non Islamics in disdain as lesser creatures.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: MamaLiberty on March 28, 2015, 03:09:48 pm
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" You don't see it my way so you're not in our club."

That's called voluntary association. And the right NOT to associate. Why would you want to be in their club if you didn't agree with their way? Form your own club. :)

The problem isn't freedom of association, but various attempts to force association - isn't it?
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: StillaGhost on March 28, 2015, 04:46:16 pm
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" You don't see it my way so you're not in our club."

That's called voluntary association. And the right NOT to associate. Why would you want to be in their club if you didn't agree with their way? Form your own club. :)

The problem isn't freedom of association, but various attempts to force association - isn't it?

 
    That's quite correct ,and the myriad and sundry attempts you refer to are passively  aggressive acts geared towards control of the individual , dependent on how far they are taken they can be highly sociopathic , inherently segregational based on thin criteria , extremely hypocritical and out and out *dangerous*.
 
  The ever present " us versus them" mentality espoused by the vast majority of religions on any stripe or doctrinal stance promotes a smugly self superior attitude along with a " y'all are lesser beings" stance that promotes conflict.
 
   A small demonstration of that syndrome has transpired within this thread. Of course Christians ( and other Systems) have the absolute right to worship as they believe , others have the right to be free of such beliefs and not be penalised economically , socially etc..etc......simply for not espousing belief in a given system.
 
   While I appreciate your attempt here M.L. ( yes I actually do) it's nowhere near as simplistic as " form your own club" when the applied model is " no club but ours" in many cases , some of which have been discussed at length previously in this forum.
 
   Man persecuting other Man for the sole reason of worshiping the wrong version of " God" or no version at all of same is about the STUPIDEST freaking reason the socalled " human race " ever came up with as justification for it's abusive , genocidal , territorial tendencies.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 03, 2015, 03:25:24 pm
...The reason I believe to only prep with a Christian, if interested, is the moral background. No drugs, no alcohol abuse, non-homosexual, etc. ...

...Want me to fill several pages with examples of " Christian Stalwarts" , who couldn't get their noses off the mirror , who beat their wives , who had extramaritial affairs , who had dalliances with the same sex , who lied , cheated , embezzled....who stole from others on a mass scale........

That's half of the story, but you can always find bad people claiming to be good Christians/Muslims/Jews/etc.

What gets on my nerves is when good people are rejected by members of their own faith who act like their personal interpretation is the only legitimate one.

The LGBTQ issue is perhaps the most glaring.  Christianity is not "non-homosexual".  There are numerous Christian sects who welcome gays and are happy to perform gay marriages -- and who are rightly ticked off by governments violating their religious freedom by prohibiting gay marriages.

Ah well -- I could spend hours ranting about religious factionalism.

I'll just say that, of all my friends, the two people (besides my own wife) that I'd most trust to have near me during TEOTWAWKI happen to be a pagan lesbian married couple.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 03, 2015, 03:48:08 pm
Only two requirements for me. Do they lie? Are they non-aggressive. Everything else is none of my business or immaterial. Very few people seem to share that outlook.
Title: Re: SB has changed for the worse.
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on April 05, 2015, 01:08:36 am
Only two requirements for me. Do they lie? Are they non-aggressive. Everything else is none of my business or immaterial. Very few people seem to share that outlook.

Agreed and very much agreed.

About your sig: 
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And “gun free” zones anywhere are a criminal’s dream come true – an invitation to indulge in whatever evil they have in mind, knowing there is likely nobody able to stop them.

I'm not sure its as much "gun free zones" that are the problem as much as "logic free humans" which are the problem, and that is a direct end result of the teachings of religionists, who teach us that we're not supposed to value lives, especially not our own.

And yes, like any other wishful thinking promises and nigerian scam, there is no shortage of people willing to fall for the "free lunch" promises of religionists.  Of course, in reality, the practitioners aren't nearly as clean and clear as they claim to be.