The Mental Militia Forums

Partner Sites => Oath-Keepers => Topic started by: DiabloLoco on April 10, 2014, 04:55:03 pm

Title: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 10, 2014, 04:55:03 pm
Any Oath Keepers here headed to Nevada? There has been a call to arms.


Up to 5,000 Armed Militia Members Will Be Arriving in Bunkerville, Nevada Today

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/video-militias-are-on-route-is-the-2nd-american-revolution-starting-in-bunkerville-nevada_04102014

Quote
An area just outside of the little town of Bunkerville, Nevada, with a population of around a thousand people, may go down in history.  This little spot in the desert may be compared with Lexington, Massachusetts, the site of the “shot heard round the world” – the first shot fired in the American Revolution.  Because it looks like the second American Revolution may start there…and soon.

Yesterday, The Daily Sheeple reported that tensions were running high outside of Bunkerville. It seems that the US government, in all of their infinite wisdom, has declared war on a cattle rancher named Cliven Bundy.

Armed federal officers have arrived to steal Bundy’s cattle and close down the land he is using.  What’s more, they have declared a zone around the area to be free of the restrictions of the Constitution, specifically, the First Amendment right to assemble and speak freely. They’d like to keep their reprehensible actions quiet and out of the public eye. It’s really difficult to mow down a bunch of protesters ala Waco with the whole world watching.

It looks like tensions will rise even further because Americans have had enough.

Militias have been mobilised. It’s going to get real.

Bundy may be facing down a bunch of armed federal thugs but he’s going to be backed up by militia members from across the country.

This is the day that Patriots have been talking about and training for. They will not stand down.

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Bear on April 10, 2014, 11:40:39 pm
The feds have bullied people so long that many have had enough.
I don't think they really understand what they've started.

No sympathy, though.

Bear
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Tipitaka on April 10, 2014, 11:49:40 pm
I'd personally be surprised if it starts anything large scale.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on April 11, 2014, 06:26:18 am
Dayam! there goes a bugout route!  Why you want alternates.........  The Clark county Sheriff is now a verified statist piece of shite too. 

If you want to see all the news just google Bunkerville NV.........

It is going to get pretty freaky, Bunkerville is a Mormon established community just south of Mesquite.  Mesquite Nevada is a retirement community and also has a "Last Chance casino" setup before heading into Utah.   I guarantee most rural Mormans are going to be preppers, and will not tolerate a lot of shenanigans tripping across their land......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunkerville,_Nevada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunkerville,_Nevada)
http://www.mesquitenv.gov/ (http://www.mesquitenv.gov/)
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Bear on April 11, 2014, 04:44:53 pm
Not sure if everyone knows this, but there is more than a bit of "bad blood" between
the Mormons and the Federal Government. Seems a couple of attempts at genocide
against the Mormons has created some hard feelings. At least among those that know
their history.

Bear
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Tipitaka on April 11, 2014, 08:20:55 pm
Gov't is being stupid here... I can't believe they went to his sister's house.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 11, 2014, 09:40:47 pm
Gov't is being stupid here... I can't believe they went to his sister's house.

Of course they did. They actually think that the very sight of a uniformed man with a badge will get them anything they want. In this case access to Mr Bundy's land via a family member.

Keep in mind Most of these jackbooted thugs really believe that whatever they want to do is legal just because they have a badge and a big gang with fancy Army surplus weapons.

It seems a reality check is in progress.
Anyone want to sponsor a gas fund for an Oath Keeper (moi) to attend the events and "report" first hand experiences?

Seriously.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Tipitaka on April 12, 2014, 12:59:24 am
Gov't is being stupid here... I can't believe they went to his sister's house.

Of course they did. They actually think that the very sight of a uniformed man with a badge will get them anything they want. In this case access to Mr Bundy's land via a family member.

Keep in mind Most of these jackbooted thugs really believe that whatever they want to do is legal just because they have a badge and a big gang with fancy Army surplus weapons.

It seems a reality check is in progress.
Anyone want to sponsor a gas fund for an Oath Keeper (moi) to attend the events and "report" first hand experiences?

Seriously.

I'd love to, but I haven't got any extra dough right now. Would be nice to get some balanced reporting for once. You always tell it like it is, no frills, no telling others what to think. You'd make a great reporter.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on April 12, 2014, 09:07:49 am
There is a lot of smartphone video up on the net already.  Including that tasering incident on Tuesday and the dog bite yesterday.   The BLM goons are getting run thru a nice wringer of harassment right now.  The State Governor has weighed in about the BLM's "Heavy handed Tactics".  While he may not say anything else, it means that BLM will not see National Guard backup..........

There is a possible Harry Reid connection too.  Gold Butte was being considered as a solar power generation site as well.  There was a dust up with "Cronyism" down in Laughlin with Rory Reid (sonny boy) getting solar development funds for a plant down there.........

The Turtles are not really the issue, just part of the smoke screen they were using to help project a legalistic drama show with the mirrors.  This little romp goes for years of history and was just starting to come to a head when the Oath Keepers, Misguided Children, and some Militias started showing up as a counter balance to the blatant use of force.  This makes the local news in Nevada if not nationally, channel 8 especially.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 12, 2014, 09:47:38 am
There is a possible Harry Reid connection too.  Gold Butte was being considered as a solar power generation site as well.  There was a dust up with "Cronyism" down in Laughlin with Rory Reid (sonny boy) getting solar development funds for a plant down there.........
A CHINESE solar firm. They'll do ANYTHING to keep China buying worthless bonds and funding the US government's insolvent budget. :rolleyes: I wouldn't count out a government show of force just yet.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on April 12, 2014, 09:49:04 am
Well Mouse mentioned an FAA NOTAM creating a no fly zone in the area..........that virtually guarantees there is a drone orbiting right now.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 12, 2014, 09:50:26 am
Well Mouse mentioned an FAA NOTAM creating a no fly zone in the area..........
Perhaps the threads should be merged. I think that she started that thread without realizing that there already was one.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 12, 2014, 10:34:25 am
Well Mouse mentioned an FAA NOTAM creating a no fly zone in the area..........
Perhaps the threads should be merged. I think that she started that thread without realizing that there already was one.

I think that the thread in the "general discussion" needs to stay separate. I don't want to impinge on any OK discussion of it here.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 12, 2014, 10:38:58 am
Well Mouse mentioned an FAA NOTAM creating a no fly zone in the area..........
Perhaps the threads should be merged. I think that she started that thread without realizing that there already was one.

I think that the thread in the "general discussion" needs to stay separate. I don't want to impinge on any OK discussion of it here.
OK...pun intended! :laugh:
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Who...me? on April 12, 2014, 03:15:44 pm
Well so much for the "endangered desert tortoise"

http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=34100.0

"Desert Tortoise Conservation Center's plan to euthanize hundreds of the tortoises in Nevada by 2014."
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: mi6a2lm on April 12, 2014, 07:42:35 pm
Well so much for the "endangered desert tortoise"

http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=34100.0

"Desert Tortoise Conservation Center's plan to euthanize hundreds of the tortoises in Nevada by 2014."

You're link goes back to this thread. :laugh:


http://www.dailypaul.com/316447/desert-tortoise-conservation-centers-plan-to-euthanize-hundreds-of-the-tortoises-in-nevada-by-2014
---
According to an article dated 8/25/13, in the Las Vegas Huffington Post, because of a lack of Federal funding the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center can no longer care for the turtles that they've been caring for since the animals were added to the endangered species list in 1990 and, as a result, "...Officials expect to euthanize more than half the animals in the coming months in preparation for closure at the end of 2014." "...the pampered desert dweller now faces a threat from the very people who have nurtured it."

Federal funds are running out at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center and officials plan to close the site and euthanize hundreds of the tortoises that they've been caring for since the animals were added to the endangered species list in 1990, according to the article.
---

Now, I was thinking, that would be kind of cool to have one roaming around in the enclosed back yard - apparently they do have an adoption program - don't know why it's not mentioned.  I'm going to call the 'Tortoise Adoption Program' here in AZ on Monday if it still exists.
 
Unfortunately, I suspect prior to adoption BLM, Game & Fish, local Sheriff's dept., local PD, DEQ (Dept. of Environmental Equality) and 10 other agencies will want unrestricted access to my backyard at any time of day.  Additionally, I probably have to sign it up for ObamaTurtleCare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_tortoise
---
Desert tortoise populations in some areas have declined by as much as 90% since the 1980s, and the Mojave population is listed as threatened. It is unlawful to touch, harm, harass or collect wild desert tortoises. It is, however, possible to adopt captive tortoises through the Tortoise Adoption Program (TAP) in Arizona, Utah Division of Wildlife Resources Desert Tortoise Adoption Program in Utah, Joshua Tree Tortoise Rescue Project in California, or through Bureau of Land Management in Nevada. When adopted in Nevada, they will have a computer chip embedded on their back for reference. According to Arizona Game and Fish Commission Rule R12-4-407 A.1, they may be possessed if the tortoises are obtained from a captive source which is properly documented. Commission Order 43: Reptile Notes 3: one tortoise per family member.
[...]
Ravens, gila monsters, kit foxes, badgers, roadrunners, coyotes, and fire ants are all natural predators of the desert tortoise. They prey on eggs, juveniles, which are 2–3 inches long with a thin, delicate shell, or in some cases adults.
---


Edit:  Forgot about this new-fangled thing called the internet.

https://www.desertmuseum.org/programs/tap.php

Some req's:

---# Review the yard checklist in appendix I (Tortoise Care & Husbandry link). These are the minimum requirements for your yard to pass inspection.
# Build a pen or make sure your yard is secured with no possibility for escape. Check that your fence is underground at least 5 inches and that there is no route to escape around a gate, drainage hole, etc. A self-locking gate is desirable to prevent escape.
# Provide food for the tortoise in the form of grass or native plants. Irrigation will be necessary, especially for the grass. A roll of sod is often adequate to feed a tortoise, so it is not necessary to have a large grassy area.
---
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 13, 2014, 08:55:36 pm
I am having a time getting any intel that I can actually use. Being on a dialup connection means I cannot do videos and that seems to be the latest form of reportage going. Has anyone found a text version from any of the folks out in that area?

I don't want to leave my one man business operation here and lose my customers only to get there and find it is just a big kids occupy situation. I am a rifleman and willing to travel to fight tyranny. I don't want to waste time or efforts to just show-up.
What I need is current intel and "pushaline" for my trusty rusty often dusty F 150 IF it is time to go there.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: FDD on April 13, 2014, 09:05:01 pm
Save your powder Gooch, at least for now.

The JBT's have backed down some, but it is far from over.

Dawg
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: mi6a2lm on April 13, 2014, 09:07:49 pm
I am having a time getting any intel that I can actually use. Being on a dialup connection means I cannot do videos and that seems to be the latest form of reportage going. Has anyone found a text version from any of the folks out in that area?

I don't want to leave my one man business operation here and lose my customers only to get there and find it is just a big kids occupy situation. I am a rifleman and willing to travel to fight tyranny. I don't want to waste time or efforts to just show-up.
What I need is current intel and "pushaline" for my trusty rusty often dusty F 150 IF it is time to go there.

I wouldn't worry about it at this point.  Politicians are getting in on the action - which is fine I guess.  As others have noted, though, it's weird for the government to back off like this.


http://www.kpho.com/story/25233415/politicians-converge-on-nevada-land-in-support-of-rancher
---
PHOENIX (CBS5) -

Members of congress and Arizona lawmakers traveled to Bunkerville, NV, this weekend in support of Cliven Bundy, a Nevada rancher involved in a heated feud with the federal government over cattle on public land.
MOREAdditional Links

State Rep. Kelly Townsend, R- Mesa, is driving to Bundy's Ranch overnight to join other Republicans from around the country.

"I want to go up and defend my fellow Americans. That's just my knee-jerk reaction," Townsend said. "Let me go up there and be with them and see for myself what's happening."

---
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 13, 2014, 09:11:21 pm
Thanks Julio.
In answer to my own question I found a couple of text reports.

http://news.yahoo.com/militia-members-ultra-conservatives-rally-cause-nevada-rancher-030813408.html

and here ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-stops-fight-nevada-rancher-grazing-land-article-1.1754457

and here ...

http://goldenageofgaia.com/2014/04/12/citizens-militias-bunker-down-in-bunkerville-nevada-to-defend-land-title-the-bundy-ranch-the-federal-government-and-the-nevada-water-tipping-point/

I am still reading these links so no opinion as of this posting.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: slidemansailor on April 13, 2014, 09:26:28 pm
Gooch, I compiled a text with modest-sized picture view of the Bundy Ranch situation. It very definitely is not over.  Sucker moves are being made... for the suckers.  Do we qualify?  Bundy doesn't.

bundy-ranch-round-1-to-the-good-guys/ (http://www.bitterrootbugle.com/2014/04/13/bundy-ranch-round-1-to-the-good-guys/)
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 13, 2014, 09:55:12 pm
Thanks SMS,

I read those other articles and didn't see any reference to a "Chinese Solar Farm" or "Business contracts with BLM".
The Water is a major issue (Water is the Money of the future. You heard it here first.) all over the west and that could be a major portion of the reasoning for this power grab.(?)

I see in your article a reference to a second link (continuation?) but didn't find that link.
Help a crotchety ole curmudgeon out and point it out for me?

I, too, think that this is one of those strategic retreats while they fill out the Step Two forces.
Then they will be back. These are the same people that shoot women in the face, from a distance, even while holding a nursing age child in her arms.
They have no honor nor morals.

Keep us posted? Please?
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on April 16, 2014, 06:16:40 am
Try http://www.facebook.com/bundyranch (http://www.facebook.com/bundyranch)
http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/ (http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 17, 2014, 08:41:59 pm
Thanks Rarick,

I'll go check them out.

g

edit to add:

I have decided that I am going to go to Bunkerville and help stand watch over the Bundy Ranch with my brother Oath Keepers. IF anyone between here (Corpus Christi AREA) and there wants to meet up and go along or have me pick up some bottled water and or blankets to carry out there I can do that.
I will be using I-10 to CA 95 to I-15 to Bunkerville unless there is a reason to deviate.
I plan to leave on Saturday to arrive by Monday. old truck - older driver    :rolleyes:
Donations for fuel & bottled water - gladly accepted

PM here or at my personal email.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Tipitaka on April 17, 2014, 09:36:42 pm
Thanks Rarick,

I'll go check them out.

g

edit to add:

I have decided that I am going to go to Bunkerville and help stand watch over the Bundy Ranch with my brother Oath Keepers. IF anyone between here (Corpus Christi AREA) and there wants to meet up and go along or have me pick up some bottled water and or blankets to carry out there I can do that.
I will be using I-10 to CA 95 to I-15 to Bunkerville unless there is a reason to deviate.
I plan to leave on Saturday to arrive by Monday. old truck - older driver    :rolleyes:
Donations for fuel & bottled water - gladly accepted

PM here or at my personal email.

Be safe dude.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 18, 2014, 06:33:35 am
Indeed, gooch, stay safe.  Or if you can't do that, I know you will shoot straight. God be with you all.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 18, 2014, 09:42:52 am
Thanks for the well wishes.

This tookus is not the prettiest but its mine ... I intend to keep it.

I have hopes that the week will pass without incident and I will return home safe and sound.
Well ... as sound as I have ever been. There continues to be some long winded discussion on that subject.

I love the way Reid and cronies are calling the defenders "domestic terrorists" when it is his forces that are threatening homes, families and livelihoods with pain, death and destruction.
SOP accuse your enemy of the very hideous things that you are doing so when the dust clears you can claim "They did it".
Typical tyrant propaganda, fodder for the ignorant sheeple.

Unless the PTB has actually shut down the cell nets I should still be in touch but not online.

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on April 18, 2014, 10:03:53 am
Mesquite is nearby, I do not know if the casino motels are giving discounts.............  I am waiting to see if/when the shooting starts then I will make a decision.......
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 18, 2014, 10:10:13 am
Mesquite is nearby, I do not know if the casino motels are giving discounts.............  I am waiting to see if/when the shooting starts then I will make a decision.......

Take a tent... the weather is nice right now. :)

After the shooting starts, it might be a bit of a problem getting anywhere near the ranch I'd think. Just be careful.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Tipitaka on April 18, 2014, 12:11:47 pm
Mesquite is nearby, I do not know if the casino motels are giving discounts.............  I am waiting to see if/when the shooting starts then I will make a decision.......

Take a tent... the weather is nice right now. :)

After the shooting starts, it might be a bit of a problem getting anywhere near the ranch I'd think. Just be careful.

If it is a guerrilla conflict, he won't have to get close, and it would be better to ambush supply lines anyways. Nothing is more demoralizing to a force that fights to to take and hold land than learning their resupply truck was captured or destroyed by their enemies. I'll be watching this conflict rather than participating, and I hope my friends come out of it unharmed.

Suggested reading for my friends:
Mao's commentary on the Art of War
The Art of War
War on the Run by John Ross (Biography of Robert Rogers, founder of the Army Rangers)
The Book of Five Rings
Any other military manual you can lay your paws on... Look for the English translation of the WWII Japanese night fighting manual and the Anti-vehicle manual made by the Spanish Anarchists from the same period. It may be outdated for armored cars, but will still stop an SUV. In all things, come back alive. The point of war is not to die for your cause, but to make your opponent die for theirs.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 18, 2014, 02:59:15 pm
Mesquite is nearby, I do not know if the casino motels are giving discounts.............  I am waiting to see if/when the shooting starts then I will make a decision.......

Take a tent... the weather is nice right now. :)

After the shooting starts, it might be a bit of a problem getting anywhere near the ranch I'd think. Just be careful.

I carry flat tarps but the outcome is the same.

NEW PLAN is to wait until Monday to leave to allow the Easter celebrants to have their day and then leave Monday noon-ish. San Jacinto Day here in Texas.

As well as let folks plan ahead a little for donating to OK or The Effort to Stymie the Tyrants.

Needed as well as gas funds are water (bottled), food, tents/tarps and sleeping bags/ blankets.

I can swing off of the direct path to pick things up OR meet up and receive items along the way.
Route is I-10 to CA95 to I-15.
Addition after some calculation I can also take I-35 north to I-40 and then west to Lost Wages. Both routes are approximately 1788 miles, are both freeway style highways with access to convenience stores and small towns along the way.
SO ... I can modify the route to allow picking up supplies and donations along the way.

Quote
... he won't have to get close, and it would be better to ambush supply lines anyways.

good point on the supply lines idea but most modern day military units get that drill driven home pretty quick. I wonder if the BLM Pretend Policemen do as well? Two flats in a row or at a time is usually sufficient. Most don't carry two spares, some don't even have a jack.
Still sometimes it is the obvious that gets overlooked.

stay safe,

g

edit to add route info
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on April 19, 2014, 04:23:22 am
I am more focused on the drone threat myself.  Indian Springs and other like places..........
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: FDD on April 19, 2014, 04:41:40 am
Drones are just like any other bird.
just need bigger shot to do the job.

what goes up, must come down.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Who...me? on April 19, 2014, 08:08:08 am
Well the predator and reaper drones cruise around between 50000 and 60000 feet. So you will never be able to see one unless you just happen to have one come down to a landing area.  Tho to shoot a hellfire it would have to be within  5mi and those are more of a lateral weapon...so I guess they come down for that as well.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on April 19, 2014, 09:44:17 am
Google Indian Springs NV.  There are a bunch of other bases like it but this one is near what is happening.  If the drones never get in the air, they never can be used..........
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 19, 2014, 10:36:18 am
Google Indian Springs NV.  There are a bunch of other bases like it but this one is near what is happening.  If the drones never get in the air, they never can be used..........


Keeping in mind that one would need to CAREFULLY plan their approach and retreat lines and that even IF successful one would have only removed ONE drone BUT at the same time has completely altered the responses from all of the Thuggees.

"Taking the fight to the enemy" is an old and honored concept in the US military BUT it does carry with it some serious side effects. The primary one would be the solidification of the "We're defending The Country" mindset within the unaware gummint employees. This would tend to make the conflict much more intense, deadly and longer lasting.

Much more effective would be to "sanitize" the drone hanger(s) or the drone operators ops room. ( and IF necessary the operators as well)

I would caution against this option UNTIL it is obviously needed and the drastic alteration of the "rules of engagement" would be moot.

With that in mind, practicing with moving targets and a Barretts 50 (or 10 ga "long Tom"?) would seem to be helpful.

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 19, 2014, 11:02:43 am
Better if somehow the electronics of the drones could be scrambled, disabling them without harming anyone. They could then be used for other, peaceful things later.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 19, 2014, 11:15:25 am
A focused EMP gun would sure be handy wouldn't it?

Have they been perfected as yet? Are they available in the private markets?


>>    how to make an emp gun+demo - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHdHDtrUvgk - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    Aug 24, 2013 ... how to make an emp gun+demo - YouTube. Subscribe 9. All comments (12). Share your thoughts. Top comments. Stream. MakersLab. 2 weeks ...
    Homemade EMP gun (concept 2013) - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0TFxMTL1kw - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>   Dec 26, 2011 ... This will be finished in the summer of 2013, another video will feature it disabling a laptop. An EMP gun made from solenoids and a battery ...
    Homemade EMP gun ( Schematic & Circuit & Overview ) - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sx8qZRVbqo - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    Apr 13, 2013 ... Homemade EMP gun LOOK AT THIS BEFORE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= kw7mx217uds on end movieclip wait till camera normalize ...
    40. EMP Gun/Remote Electrical Charge Gun — The 50 Coolest ...

    www.complex.com/ tech/ 2012/ 07/ the-50-coolest-batman-gadgets/ emp-gunremote-electrical-charge-gun - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    Jul 17, 2012 ... There is no cooler gimmick in the comic book industry than Batman's collection of gadgets. We look at his 50 coolest ones.
    This EMP Cannon Stops Cars Almost Instantly - Gizmodo

    www.gizmodo.com/5454295/this-emp-cannon-stops-cars-almost-instantly - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    Jan 21, 2010 ... We've heard of electromagnetic pulses cutting steel in milliseconds, but apparently they can also be used to stop moving cars just as fast.
    E.M.P. Gun - Leverage Wiki

    leverage.wikia.com/wiki/E.M.P._Gun - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    The E.M.P. Gun is a piece of equipment used in the television series Leverage Background...
    Drakel EMP Gun - Battleon Forums

    forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=19980995 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    Drakel EMP Gun «Accurate Energy Ranged 100% Proc Gun; 0.75 lean» Also see Drakel EMP Gun Z Level: 57. Power Level: 61. Price: 14,600 ...
    Spoilers! New THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Info On The Bat, Batman's ...

    www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_movies/news/?a=62602 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    Jun 29, 2012 ... Spoilers! New THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Info On The Bat, Batman's EMP Gun & Bane's Device. Click the jump if you'd like to read some ...
    EMP gun | Official Chucklefish Forums!

    community.playstarbound.com/index.php?threads/emp-gun.62569/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    a way of disabling robots/mechs or certain technology this would give you a chance for wenever you get iinto a fight with something robotic, but ...
    EMP gun design - Everything2.com

    www.everything2.com/title/EMP+gun+design - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight

>>    This is a conceptual design for an EMP gun. The first question to ask is, what is an EMP, in simple terms? It is a sharp pulse of electromagnetic energy across a ...


$14,600? What a time to be poor ... drat.

edit to add search links
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Tipitaka on April 19, 2014, 11:33:45 am
Why the fuck are you guys talking about this in public? You think the enemy you face doesn't read this page? I told you to come back alive. How do you expect to do that if you give your opponent your plans on the goddamn internet??!
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 19, 2014, 11:41:56 am
Why the fuck are you guys talking about this in public? You think the enemy you face doesn't read this page? I told you to come back alive. How do you expect to do that if you give your opponent your plans on the goddamn internet??!

Ha ha ha ha ha ....

Good one GD, PKL, Tipi.  "Your plans" ... ha ha ha ha ha

These are their plans for use against anyone who would use a drone against them silly. Where do you think the ideas originated?

It is common practice in the military, once a new weapon is produced, to develop tactics to use against that new weapon "just in case".
Counter measures.

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 19, 2014, 11:58:08 am
A focused EMP gun would sure be handy wouldn't it?

Have they been perfected as yet? Are they available in the private markets?

I have no idea. Would seem like a neat project for someone. Just remember all the very important people, scientists even, who assured everyone that man could never fly. :)  If it is not so, let's make it so.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: FDD on April 19, 2014, 04:14:28 pm
Even the Judges are have problems with the BLM's BS

http://www.prisonplanet.com/federal-judge-blm-engaged-in-a-criminal-conspiracy-against-ranchers.html
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Moonbeam on April 20, 2014, 05:11:13 pm
Hey Gooch - If you're able to borrow someone's fancy mobile device, please consider sharing some updates with us. Of course, like mentioned TPTB might have disabled such capabilities. So I don't wonder if one of the ham radio operators here would be willing to provide their handle/call sign (?) in case there is an operator out in Bunkerville? And can you bring a camera and/or camcorder? You'll be in my prayers. Stay safe!
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 20, 2014, 05:13:51 pm
Hey Gooch - If you're able to borrow someone's fancy mobile device, please consider sharing some updates with us. Of course, like mentioned TPTB might have disabled such capabilities. So I don't wonder if one of the ham radio operators here would be willing to provide their handle/call sign (?) in case there is an operator out in Bunkerville? And can you bring a camera and/or camcorder? You'll be in my prayers. Stay safe!
The last communication that I had with Gooch, he said that he had a digital camera kicking around somewhere and was going to try to find it.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: jamie on April 20, 2014, 08:57:36 pm
According to what I have learned in 1993 the blm cut Mr. Bundy's cattle allotment from 900 to  150.  The blm   continued to charge him for 900. Mr. Bundy refused to pay.  If true this is a correct position.

The blm has only existed since about 1975 or thereabouts.

And of course the real question is why does the blm even have a right to begin with.

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Moonbeam on April 20, 2014, 09:32:25 pm
For what it's worth (hat tip to the Daily Paul: http://www.dailypaul.com/317268/update-just-in-news-bundy) there is a way to keep up with the situation in Bunkerville. The Bundy family will send updates:

http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/manage/optin?v=00120POhs3qUFRy3Jt2UNotCDg8t6Lb2IKXeH-lGYt6rmN052fO_X4P8_o1uN631JQkL5zKvrZqiVzxvTOGfyQxPq2FkSAZVvrVXKMzHCvsrKXFnNpgEEiwV1RrAzHGDpheqARc6OdTjvxK0ZJLam65Xsr8yAC29uVG0yc6YB-lGcoYQWDCi2DeMWL7KV6eDMPFxrW2RbZqETc%3D

Or sign up for text messages: text Bundy to 22828.

Anyone else have accurate information? I have not checked out OK before posting this...


UPDATE: Confirmed: http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Bill St. Clair on April 21, 2014, 08:53:48 am
There's an RSS feed at http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?alt=rss . I have added it to my news aggregator at https://billstclair.com/blog/aggregator/
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on April 21, 2014, 11:55:18 am
Last minute preps for the trip and possible long silence online.(3 or 4 days?)

I have heard from someone, who is not prone to fabrication, that the Feds are renting whole floors of hotels in LV, NV. Can anyone verify this bit of intel and then forward it to the Bundy's before the comms go down? IF they are going to go down (with fingers crossed ..)

Thanks to all who have stepped up to help me get there and back. (More crossing of fingers ...)
I did find my li'l camera and will carry some extra batteries for it. I have a 32Mb card and a 250Mb card. Should I get more? perhaps I should concentrate on getting it working  (learning the steps etc) first.

I WILL make every effort to ...

stay safe,

gooch
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Moonbeam on April 22, 2014, 04:30:38 pm
Am I the only one on pins and needles?  :ohshit2:
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Bear on April 22, 2014, 05:03:20 pm
Am I the only one on pins and needles?  :ohshit2:

I'm feeling more like mild indigestion (YMMV).

The exciting part is that there are so many people who "get it", and are embracing the
freedom issue. The sad part is the number of people who would be just fine with a king
or oligarchy who keeps up the bread and circus. It's not that they don't see our point of
view, it's that they don't care. 

Bear  :thinking:
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Tipitaka on April 23, 2014, 01:04:19 am
Am I the only one on pins and needles?  :ohshit2:

I'm feeling more like mild indigestion (YMMV).

The exciting part is that there are so many people who "get it", and are embracing the
freedom issue. The sad part is the number of people who would be just fine with a king
or oligarchy who keeps up the bread and circus. It's not that they don't see our point of
view, it's that they don't care. 

Bear  :thinking:

We pretty much have an oligarchy as it stands.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Moonbeam on April 25, 2014, 08:25:50 am
I heard from Gooch this morning. He said it was a long drive, expensive gas, and the ground is hard. He said that there are some of the "original 10" Oath Keepers present so there are some familiar faces. He said that there are Feds (BLM, FBI ?) on the hills always watching. Not sure if they are snipers, but it wouldn't be surprising. Though there hasn't been discussions about long-term encampment if you will, OK does not plan to leave soon. Gooch plans to stay for a week.

He also mentioned that the Bundy's have their own private security. Not professionals, but a group of friends and neighbors who are lending their skills. Interesting enough, some of the group protecting the Bundy family are black - but, you know you won't hear about that in the MSM.

For those who have his number, he can receive texts, but he is unable to send replies.

Edit: He said that it costs him $$ to make calls, etc. and he has no way to replenish his minutes out there. But, he said he can receive texts at no expense to himself.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on April 25, 2014, 09:58:41 am
They are watching and collecting faces and names to know who needs raided next........  The Misguided Children and others are working to counter the MSM on the internet, but that is a long row to hoe.  There is a clip (I do not have a url) that is the whole story of the brief one the media is pumping out on youtoob.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: knobster on April 25, 2014, 11:08:17 am
I heard from Gooch this morning. He said it was a long drive, expensive gas, and the ground is hard. He said that there are some of the "original 10" Oath Keepers present so there are some familiar faces. He said that there are Feds (BLM, FBI ?) on the hills always watching. Not sure if they are snipers, but it wouldn't be surprising. Though there hasn't been discussions about long-term encampment if you will, OK does not plan to leave soon. Gooch plans to stay for a week.

He also mentioned that the Bundy's have their own private security. Not professionals, but a group of friends and neighbors who are lending their skills. Interesting enough, some of the group protecting the Bundy family are black - but, you know you won't hear about that in the MSM.

For those who have his number, he can receive texts, but he is unable to send replies.

Edit: He said that it costs him $$ to make calls, etc. and he has no way to replenish his minutes out there. But, he said he can receive texts at no expense to himself.

Thanks for the update Moonbeam.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Moonbeam on April 25, 2014, 01:19:23 pm
Thanks for the update Moonbeam.

Oh, you bet!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: slidemansailor on April 25, 2014, 08:31:21 pm
Excellent.
Boots on the ground reports, even second hand, from reliable sources are very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Moonbeam on April 30, 2014, 11:57:54 am
I don't think Elias would mind the entire article being posted here. However, I don't want to be in violation of TMM terms so please edit moderators if need be!

This official advisory is from Elias Alias, your friendly editor...

This advisory will be an encapsulation of a much larger story with numerous feature or peak points to reveal in coming weeks and months. The Bundy Ranch Revolution against federal land management within the several States is positively huge. My comment to Stewart Rhodes regarding the gravity and significance of the Bundy stand is that it is a watershed moment in Twenty-first Century American history, and I am totally proud of Oath Keepers for jumping in with the Bundy family and their good neighbors. </snip>

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/04/29/bundy-ranch-advisory-for-april-29-2014/

Ranch Advisory for April 29, 2014

Yes, it is true: Oath Keepers received a bizarre bit of leaked info which could not be verified but which also could not be ignored. Our contact is connected with the Department of Defense – or “was”. The info we received stated that Eric Holder of the Department of Justice had okayed a drone strike on the Bundy ranch near Bunkerville, Nevada, within a 48 hour period over the weekend of April 26/27, 2014.

That, fortunately, turned out to be “dis-info” – a false rumor. And though it came from a trusted source, Oath Keepers could neither prove nor disprove it. Oath Keepers is thankful that the rumor was false and no one got hurt. Oath Keepers also is aware that the source of that rumor requires debriefing, which would hopefully lead to the author of that operation. It was a directed attack on Oath Keepers to do several things including gaging our comms depth, our speed in Intel, and study how we responded. The project’s cheerleaders were already implanted in the militias operating on-site at the ranch, so that when Oath Keepers responded to the rumor new forces would be ready to pounce on Oath Keepers.

Oath Keepers is doing excellent work at the ranch. We are in touch with the family and they wish to continue working with us. Oath Keepers are encouraged to donate at our website or send checks directly to Cliven and Carol Bundy (* see below)

This mis-info came from a trusted source, a former Special Forces soldier with significant connections inside DOD. Though the info was unbelievable, in the present climate generated by the BLM and Senator Harry Reid (who called the ranchers and their friends “domestic terrorists”), Oath Keepers decided that the info must be regarded as indicating that a drone attack was at least “possible”.

Knowing that this sort of info is at least bizarre, Stewart and our Board members who were there at the ranch finally, after painstakingly going over all possible angles, decided that this should be handled just as the authorities would handle a bomb threat at a school – evacuate the kids from the school immediately and then sift for the bomb, if indeed one turned out to exist there. Stewart knew this was a potential trap for Oath Keepers, but felt that he could not remain quiet about the info which had come to us. Better safe than sorry, in a nutshell, defines his thinking on this. Oath Keepers is tremendously happy that nothing happened and that this was a bad tip, a piece of “dis-info”, a “psy-op”.

On the basis of that, Oath Keepers alerted the Bundy ranch and all who were working there this past weekend. Oath Keepers advised people there to consider evacuation. Now we’re being attacked on many fronts in the backwash.

Let’s take a moment to assess the psychological environment in which this rumor was active. The BLM had already accosted members of the Bundy ranch on the road, tackling a woman roughly, letting one of their combat dogs loose on Ammon Bundy (Cliven’s son), and tasing him in a confrontation brought about when armed fedgov troopss accompanied a BLM effort to round up the Bundys’ cattle and the Bundy family came out to protest. Ensuing days saw rising tensions and a build-up of troop levels by the BLM, which had finally amassed a veritable army which included S.W.A.T. and helmeted combat agents and snipers. The Bundy’s children could look up and see snipers aiming rifles at them from ridge-lines. There was much fear, much agitation, and much tense concern, as we might imagine each of us would feel if a federal agency sent troops into our own yard.

So that was the temperature on the ground leading into last weekend. But in the national political environment we saw a very damning picture presented by a Nevada Senator named Harry Reid. Senator Harry Reid greatly fueled the tensions nationwide, deliberately. Reid, as the whole world knows, publicly declared that the Bundy family and their neighbors and supporters were “domestic terrorists”. Yes, believe it or not, a sitting U.S. Senator actually said that. His statement is now coming home to roost. Here is why.

All Oath Keepers know that President Obama signed into “law” the infamous NDAA-2012, which placed American citizens under military jurisdiction. Under the NDAA-2012 any American citizen may be picked up by the military and placed in custody under a military tribunal – without even being charged with a crime – and – without benefit of a lawyer – and – may be held indefinitely until the so-called “war on terror” is finally over, which some politicians have said could last a hundred years or more. We also know that the USA PATRIOT ACT of 2001 greatly released restrictions on government enforcement agents and permitted them to violate American citizens’ unalienable rights. We all know that the NSA is collecting all of our communications. We know that dissent against current policy in government is being targeted by government agencies including the IRS and DHS.

Additionally, our situation includes the observation that Americans now bear the brunt of more than 70,000 S.W.A.T. raids a year, mostly over victimless so-called “crimes” or just to serve warrants. Our police are being militarized and under the command of the US Department of Homeland Security are now in effect an extension of a standing army being readied to control mass dissent among the people. (See: NORTHCOM in Colorado, which is now home of the first US military deployment of combat troops on US soil. Worse, we note that federal agents are now militarized and are extensions of the military, same as are our local police. All are interfaced under DHS authority. We notice that the BLM placed combat troops online against the Bundy family, pointing military guns at our cowboy citizens in an unacceptable and unforgiveable portrait of enforced tyranny. The fedgov cannot take back the fact that they brought a ghastly army down to bear on an American ranching family and their friends. They did it.

Further, we also know for fact that the President has a private, secret “kill list” of people his Administration may consider killing on sight, sans any due process, simply on the President’s word.
So all of that is in the picture here as we look at the “leak” which got everyone excited. Considering how bizarre that listing of government sins-against-the-people really is, it’s not such a far reach to understand why a threat of a war-on-terror-styled attack in retribution for the Bundy cowboy defeat of the BLM gov-thug soldiers earlier this month is not such a far-fetched idea after all. At the very least, and under current environment terms, letting people know the nature of the alleged threat was the right thing to do.

In the wake of this remarkable anomaly, I see that some so-called “patriots” have gone to exaggerated extents to attack Oath Keepers. The hysteria levels are up past flood-stage markings. We have people accusing Oath Keepers of many different offenses, including stealing money we collected for the Bundy family. Oath Keepers has resources and attorneys and a good name to protect. Regarding the money-related accusation, the Oath Keepers book-keeper just informed me that we have raised more than forty thousand dollars for the Bundy Ranch operation, and of that sum we have presented a check for $12,500.00 to the Bundy family – not cash, a check. All accounting will be available in coming weeks as receipts are collected, and our membership may know with confidence that full reckoning will be completed. Here is part of the statement I just got from our book-keeper:

“Here are the things I know we bought, food, water, ice, clothing, tents, field equipment/supplies, port-o-potties and travel expenses for the OK BODs and anybody willing to take rotating shifts out at the Bundy Ranch. We also gave the Bundy’s $12,500.00 via a check, not cash.” She told me that we’ve taken in more than forty thousand dollars.

Please allow me to explain something in better detail. First, Oath Keepers raised that money from sympathetic members and supporters. We are very proud of everyone who shouldered the cost of doing this at the Bundy Ranch. We presented the Bundys with the check for $12,500.00 without any stipulation – it is their money to do with as they choose, and we need no accounting from them regarding that money. We will be able to account for all monies we’ve taken in. Oath Keepers is grateful to every member and supporter who sent money to this project, and we stand honorably to account for that money.

Also regarding the money part of this operation: The following is a video showing part of what that money accomplished at the Bundy ranch. Oath Keepers has played a powerful role in how the public came to see the justice in Cliven Bundy’s battle for his State’s right to own and manage its own land. We work with People Against the NDAA, and we work with the Tenth Amendment Center, among other fine organizations including the Fully Informed Jury Association.

We understand that the Bundy affair is classic and that Mr. Bundy himself is a patriarch of our American heritage and as such he is to be protected by the people at all costs. His vision is in harmony with that of the founders, and we all know it. When Oath Keepers brings in to the Bundy Ranch out-of-State legislators, and when CSPOA and Oath Keepers bring in men and women from our Peace Officer community to stand by Mr. Bundy, the power in the unique outreach style of Oath Keepers becomes clear. Please enjoy this brief example of the good that came from our members’ and friends’ financial support, and, again, please accept Oath Keepers thanks to each of you who have contributed to make this sort of moment possible: [Go to the linked article for the video.]

All Oath Keepers may be proud that we were part of that moment and that we indeed helped that moment to happen by our activism. So please know this from my fingertips to God’s eye:

Oath Keepers is happily hosted at the Bundy Ranch by the Bundy family. A film/video is en route to Montana right now, riding by car with Stewart, for editing and subsequent posting to our YouTube channel. That video will feature Stewart himself in powerful expressions of the principles on which Cliven Bundy stands, and the direness of the hour in our Republic’s history, and the need to overcome the UN’s Agenda 21 domestic usurpations carried via now-stolen “federal agencies and departments” such as the Forest Service and the BLM. The BLM’s policy is mirrored in Agenda 21, and the entire Bundy Ranch affair traces back to corruption in internationalist-federal deal-making in the name of the People’s government. Chinese management of Nevada land is at the bottom of this, as Alex Jones exposed Senator Reid’s connections with a Chinese firm wanting to operate a solar energy farm on land related to the eco-plans for developing that site, which included moving a population of desert tortoise from that site to the area where Bundy’s cows graze – and that was a problem for EPA as well as the Endangered Species Act, which caused seriously-armed federal force to move in to make sure that the Bundy cattle were removed from the new home of the tortoise – correct me if I’m wrong. This is United Nations covert activity inside the United States and it involves the planet’s largest Communist nation, China. The Bundy connection connects also the relationship of the BLM to the Reid family. It is deep stuff.

And that is why suddenly, as Oath Keepers is getting into gear to ramp up and build upon this defense of the people against the BLM’s tyrannical forces, and as we are making awesome strides, all hell suddenly breaks loose with the militias, who in a surprising twist of fate, have decided to destroy Oath Keepers at the same time we’re hit with a rumored leak about a drone attack being possible. Sheesh. The militias are being unruly about it, and somewhat rude, assuming that the word “rude” includes threatening to shoot Stewart or his officers in the back “for desertion” – if you can believe that. Some of the alleged militia leaders are threatening to accost Oath Keepers’ leadership if leadership step foot on the Bundy Ranch. That is fairly rude, but that has actually been said.

Other accusations bordering on the absurd are being passed around, and it appears to be a concerted or choreographed Internet activity as if designed by anyone wanting to discredit Oath Keepers. There are pieces to our puzzle which are not yet on the table, but it is obvious that somebody wants us shut down and will use what national media coverage exists to smear us to a progressive audience we would not otherwise know existed.

A typical FBI psy-op would plant “leaders” in every militia they could infiltrate. What those sorts of FBI agents or surrogates do is always “handled”. Some of the purported “leaders” of the militia at the ranch are doing exactly what any agent provocateur would do after having infiltrated the militia and claimed a role in leadership. Did you notice the massive ego about who is going to command who? Did you notice the drama in the tendency to speak of Oath Keepers as if we were a militia, which we are not. These militia “leaders” would judge us by battlefield standards even though there has not been a “battlefield” since April 12, 2014? They would shoot us for desertion? Really? That is amazing, and is the kind of bumbling consciousness which a conditioned and programmed special warfare officer or a federal agent would offer if he had to think on his feet of a sudden.

I’ll confide something with you. Let us not be deceived about the real strength and power of the true American militia. Let us examine any militia which opposes the historic role of the Constitutional militia of the several States. Yesterday I had a longish phone conversation with Mike Vanderboegh, who was wanting to think-tank some stuff with me for concurrence in what we might do next to combat the idiocy being circulated presently. All you III%ers listen-up. As Mike and I were talking about the situation I said something to which he replied, “Well, how do we know that *they* are *the* militia of the people?” I pondered that and thanked him for bringing it up.
We were suggesting that the FBI (and other related groups) firmly believes in creating its own opposition for purposes of controlling it from atop and within. The model is searchable online as “COINTELPRO”. The fedgov infiltrates all social and cultural segments of America’s population. It is best to presume that the militias across America are all infiltrated. 

If you want to see the leadership of the co-opted militias currently at the Bundy ranch, you will have to search for a video put out to smear Oath Keepers. The link I had last night (April 28, 2014), is now invalid. The video of a circle of men denouncing Oath Keepers and threatening Oath Keepers with being shot in the back as “deserters”, and accusing Oath Keepers of stealing from the Bundy family, will give you the true insight into the steroidal psycho-pathic dreamwish of little boys playing “Army” in the fields near the house forty and fifty years ago, who somehow retained that aloofness and swapped it for a job with a badge or uniform and a gun and a retirement plan that could be counted on, or worse, in some cases, self-proclaimed “officers” who never bothered to go into the military when they grew old enough to enlist, or never made the police force. If just one of those militia leaders’ personal scenarios, isolated into private little spheres of command and control as they may be, could be synthesized and condensed for distribution to the vast majority of thinking Americans – if these aberrations were not so sad, they would be funny, and I might have more to say to and about the mental states possessed by such “patriots” in coming times. But whatever the situation in anyone’s perception, Oath Keepers is not a militia and we do not take our marching orders from any militia. We merely support the idea of reinstating the Constitutional Militia of the several States as revealed by Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr.

This much is certain: The federal government has many agencies and contracting private-sector corps to which it can send requests for certain clandestine or covert actions in the public sector. All Oath Keepers officers are aware of that, and we stand strongly and without fear, to oppose the tyranny which has gripped our nation. In the face of personal hardship, discomfort, and deep-seated concerns about personal safety, our officers, myself included, actually live the fight for liberty every day. We have noticed that the more successful our mission becomes, the more flak is thrown at us. My comment today is, “When we look about, who today is tossing slings and arrows at Oath Keepers? To see who is trying to destroy Oath Keepers, we see those who make wild accusations, unfounded charges, and imaginary scenaric situations glossed over by their berserk egoism which presupposes that the rest of the world can’s see their motivation and their jealousy and their fear.

Know this. Oath Keepers has a contingent on the ground there right now working in an Oath Keepers-directed security op. I’m told my good friend from Kalispell, Montana, Brother Paul Stramer, is down there with equipment for comms at present. And Sheriff Mack sends me this word regarding the continuing stream of Sheriffs who will come to the ranch to stand with the Bundys:
“I spoke with SR yesterday. There were no wounded. Bundys are still happy with all help. Yes, we are still sending in Sheriffs. Christopher will be there tomorrow.” - Sheriff Mack to Elias Alias April 28 2014

Now that should read “today”. So we are continuing our presence at the Bundy Ranch at Bunkerville, Nevada. All Oath Keepers should continue to plan on going there as “boots on the ground” to help the Bundys. Supplies and gifts should be mailed or delivered to -

Cliven and Carol Bundy * 7175 Gold Butte Rd * Bunkerville, NV 89007

You may also continue to support our area of the operation by contributing at our website:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/04/16/action-alert-boots-on-the-ground-need-donations-for-food-and-water-at-bundy-ranch-standoff/

Salute!
Elias Alias, editor, Oath Keepers

Note: This article may be updated at any time.

[Nice photo of Elias at the ranch inserted here.]
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 30, 2014, 12:28:27 pm
I don't think Elias would mind the entire article being posted here. However, I don't want to be in violation of TMM terms so please edit moderators if need be!


No problem. I can't imagine Elias objecting either. If he does... I can take care of it.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Klapton Isgod on April 30, 2014, 02:32:43 pm
Oath Keepers "Debrief" video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAiDvyOakQ

.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Lonewolf72 on April 30, 2014, 03:54:45 pm
Oath Keepers "Debrief" video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAiDvyOakQ

.

Video has been removed
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 30, 2014, 04:01:18 pm
Oath Keepers "Debrief" video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAiDvyOakQ

.

Video has been removed
Figures :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 30, 2014, 04:13:21 pm


Video has been removed

Who and why? Just curious.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Klapton Isgod on April 30, 2014, 04:36:06 pm
It got uploaded twice by accident, and one of them deleted.  Nothing suspicious.  Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HkSAewoESg

.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Lonewolf72 on April 30, 2014, 10:01:26 pm
Thanks, Klapton
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on May 04, 2014, 11:37:20 pm
OK ...

First things first.
I am glad I went.

I arrived there late on Thursday (24th) and stayed in the main camp until the "big Brou-ha-ha" mentioned in Elias' update.

While I was there there was no real outward dislike of the OK faction or personnel directed at me personally.

I left to go to town for a "real shower and soft bed for one night" and the drone strike call was made while I was in town. (Mesquite, NV.) I had no knowledge of the drone strike intel or of the suggestion to "spread out - make a smaller target" that is, apparently, the source of all of the (IMO) ego based drama.

As I had been in good graces prior to my heading into town I was not considered one of the "bad OKers" and was allowed to return to pack up my gear and redeploy to the "scouts out" ring of early warning lookouts without any hassle from any of the main camp campers.
A day or so later I brought a Nurse Joyce, from Montana, into the camp to meet the Bundys and we were turned away at the Bundy security gate. (a different place than the Main Camp)
Since she is an OKer I decided to introduce her to the "Main Camp" folks and see just what and how strong their reactions would be.

Most of the folks were glad to see her and to have another licensed Nurse in their midst.
Then the "Command Structure" heard of her arrival and we were interrogated by the "Commander" and his No 1 (bodyguard, BFF, shadow ...??? Jac.){No relation to OUR jac whom I have met, like and would know on sight} as well as another "officer" whom I had never met before.
The Commander [his name is in Elias' post above] had a short speech that he said he had to give us because we had identified ourselves as OKers. He wanted us to Swear, on a handshake, that we had not been sent into camp by Stewart or OK, had not been given any orders to spy on or disrupt the camp structure and that we would obey HIS Orders and no one else especially Stewart's or we could pack our gear and leave. Oath of Fealty anyone? Images of a wannabe Prince (sp?) vetting his serfs came to mind. 
I thought This is a seriously power drunk puppy IMHO.
We all said Oh Yes of course we would obey and promptly forgot the oath we had "sworn".
Nurse Joyce and her group (her daughter Lilia, aged 4? and her cousin Howard aged 70+) and I all decided to return to town. Nurse Joyce left back to Montana the next day and I stayed in Mesquite helping with the "patrols" until it was time for me to leave for home.

I never did get the camera to work. Sorry for not having photos to share but most of the videos probably show most of the area and the surrounding countryside.
Think dry Nevada desert with gravel piles as "hills". The Virgin River is the only reason for human habitation in that location.

While I was proud to stand between the Bundys and the PTB's I was never allowed to meet the Bundys and I never did see a serious defensive combat position while I was there.
There was ONE rifle pit constructed at the insistence of the OK leadership and there were about six other places where they would have been extremely handy but digging out a 5 foot by 4 foot rifle pit in hard pan desert gravel is not any kind of fun so .... folks walked around with their rifles on their chests in complete ignorance of the reality of infantry combat. Most wearing forest camo in a desert. I was in my Texas cowboy camo and was one of only a few who looked natural in that environment.

My overall impression was of a group of folks with no military experience being led by a group of vets with no combat experience but inflated egos as their armor. Boys playing "war" only with real weapons and real enemies. I have no way of knowing who did or did not have actual combat experience I just mention my Opinion.

One fellow there was an Army vet whose specialty in the big green was to find and help solve security problems. (MACSOG ?) I don't have any idea so don't ask.
He went with Stewart and The Commander (and another OK Board of Directors member who gave me this story) to the top of one of the gravel hilltops that defined the main camp and was asked to explain what he would do (as the enemy) to "take out the camp". For less than three minutes he studied the geography of the camp and said (I paraphrase for I was Not present) ...
"Do you see that small canyon across the river from here? (nods all around) I would bring in two Apaches and in less than five minutes this entire camp would be ashes. This camp is indefensible.
It is a cul-de-sac with no back door. It has steep hills to the south, the river to the north and one parked pickup closes the gate on all of the inhabitants." Fish in a barrel.

Now I didn't get that kind of training from the boiler rooms of the Navy Destroyer I was on but when told the story I could see exactly what he was pointing out. The main camp is indefensible so Stewart's call to "disperse" was a good one in MHO.

In MHO the ego drama at the main camp was pretty much "by-the-book" divide and conquer for the SF (Special Forces) Green Berets or the CIA/NSA spooks. Unfortunately (in MHO) the Bundys were taken in by the tale they were told and OK was "cut - out". I don't think the Bundys cut us out I am pretty sure it was the "Private security group" that became their Guardians Jailors.

I will be pretty busy for the next week or so getting my business back to running and caught up but I will answer any questions I can.

My gratitude to the several folks here who supported my drive over, my stay there and my return trip. I could not have gone without your help. You Know Who You Are.  Thank You.

gooch
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: mi6a2lm on May 05, 2014, 12:14:30 am
Interesting story.  Sounds like you had an experience.  Most folks as you well know like to talk the talk ('I'm a former Navy SEAL!  (no proof) Dig a fighting hole here on this desert plain!  Command structure! <military terms here included from reading various autobiographies of combat veterans>) - sounds like you ran into a few.

Lots of things worth commenting on in your post.  Don't worry about the camera not working - you detailed things pretty good.     
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: jamie on May 05, 2014, 08:05:08 pm
The AAR should bring out multiple lessons learned. If acted on the lessons learned should prevent this sort of situation from happening again.

I never did understand the drone strike and now the hysteria about the use of Apaches.

It wasn't that kind of situation.

Every one had to know if air was used there was no defense.  It just seems kind of naive that O-K would even think an air strike was a possibility. Naive or a serious misreading of the psychological situation.

I do understand that in the middle of a tense situation clear thinking is hard.

Even fedguv could figure out the  consequences of that kind of reaction.

Gooch, thanks for the report and taking the time and effort to go there.

Maybe next time a dd 214 should be required for everyone claiming to be a seal, SF, Ranger, infantry or whatever.

I realize that some percentage of the board hates all things military.

According to Laurence Vance and Silver the military is evil, stupid, mindless, brutal and absolutely without redemption.

I guess only those who were never there know the truth.

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 06, 2014, 06:43:11 am
According to Laurence Vance and Silver the military is evil, stupid, mindless, brutal and absolutely without redemption.

Might ask the average Iraqi and Afghanistan villager... as they mourn their dead sisters and mothers, brothers and fathers. There are no doubt individual military members with actual hearts and minds, and sorrowfully, I suspect that many or most of those are taking their own lives or joining the ranks of veterans with damaged minds and PTSD, etc.  Would not that indicate that there was a serious problem with the entire set up?
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Klapton Isgod on May 06, 2014, 08:14:38 am
I served for 21 years and never killed anyone.  Being in the Army hugely shaped my view of the world and my realization just how evil but most of all STUPID government is.

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 06, 2014, 08:38:19 am
Being in the Army hugely shaped my view of the world and my realization just how evil but most of all STUPID government is.

Yeah, living as a Marine brat and a Navy wife managed to reinforce that realization, without my ever being "in" the military.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on May 06, 2014, 09:39:24 am
The Progressive media is saying there were checkpoints along the roads out there that were manned by militia.  Did you see anything like that?

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Moonbeam on May 06, 2014, 12:14:38 pm
Glad you are back, Gooch! Thank you for the update...
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 06, 2014, 04:36:20 pm
Glad you are back, Gooch! Thank you for the update...
Ditto! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on May 06, 2014, 04:46:57 pm
The Progressive media is saying there were checkpoints along the roads out there that were manned by militia.  Did you see anything like that?

Short answer = Nope.

Longer Answer = I was one of the road blocks and the road we blocked was Mr Bundy's private road on Mr Bundy's private property where it left Gold Butte Road a public road paved and is maintained by Clark County. It is a dirt surfaced cul-de-sac that led into the "main camp" on Mr Bundy's private property.
There was another just like it on Mr Bundy's private driveway where it also left Gold Butte Road.
I know of no other road blocks.
I also served on the OK scouts-out-road-patrols and never saw a single road block on a public road or highway for the entire week I was in Nevada.

It is my considered opinion that one of the progressive legislators (Rep. Steven Horsford - Dem) is spreading this rumor in an effort to demonize all of the volunteers who are forming the wall of bodies between the Bundys and The State.

Here  (http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/05/the-bundy-ranch-militia-is-wearing-out-its-welcome/361676/)is a link to an article claiming that the "militias are wearing out their welcome" and references the Bo-o-o-o-ogus road block meme. The photo is the Misguided Child that promoted himself to the rank of Commander and wanted an Oath of fealty to stay in the main camp. (His name is Jerry Delemus, he is from New Hampshire and is the one who said "I came here to die".)

All of that said ... I have been gone for about five days and cannot say for certain that anything is or is not happening there now.

The AAR should bring out multiple lessons learned. If acted on the lessons learned should prevent this sort of situation from happening again.

I never did understand the drone strike and now the hysteria about the use of Apaches.

<snip - snip>

Unless it is in one of the videos that I am unable to view I don't know of any "hysteria about the use of Apaches".

I mentioned them in recounting the opinion of an Army Ranger who was asked to "play the devil's advocate" and mentioned that the use of two Apaches would be the end of the main camp.
Is that what you refer to?

Glad you are back, Gooch! Thank you for the update...

Glad you are back, Gooch! Thank you for the update...
Ditto! :thumbsup:

Thanks Moonbeam and DiabloLoco.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: jamie on May 07, 2014, 04:26:23 am
"Unless it is in one of the videos that I am unable to view I don't know of any "hysteria about the use of Apaches".

I mentioned them in recounting the opinion of an Army Ranger who was asked to "play the devil's advocate" and mentioned that the use of two Apaches would be the end of the main camp.
Is that what you refer to?"

Hysteria was perhaps not the right word.  Here is  how I meant it.   I already stated that, of course, an airstrike  from drones or any other platform would be "the end of the main camp" . That is very obvious. You  don't have to be any kind of military to know that.

As a matter of fact AT 4s or several other methods would have been the end of the camp and a lot easier to explain away and lie about later.  So I just find it amusing that anyone would even talk about Apaches.


The question is  why would O-K or militia or anyone even think a fedguv air strike was even remotely possible?  Or give the prospect any kind of credibility ?     The hysteria part comes in because seriously discussing the possibility  was very much over reaction. I could see ways for O-K and militia to have used this in the psywar aspect.  But they missed that opportunity.   Not to mention that apparently the drone strike intell was disinfo and O-K played right into fedguv hands by reacting as they did.  Because that caused the charges of cowardice and disunity to some degree.

 I am surprised that there didn't seem to be any recognition of psywar.  Lessons learned should also have an SOP for rumor control, containing panic and dealing with difficult people.

 

Don't take this as a criticism of O-K or Stewart Rhodes or yourself. I wasn't there, I was just trying to add my .002 cents worth for lessons learned. 

  Just to restate.

There was no chance of fedguv using an airstrike on the bundy ranch.  Why would  anyone think that fedguv, already teetering on the edge, if not already there, of illegitimacy would send Apaches or a drone against a bunch of Americans at this time, in this place?

 

The army ranger and O-K should have stuck with the situation as it was,  not as it was in Afghanistan.

Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Moonbeam on May 07, 2014, 11:42:09 am
A summary offered over at the Daily Paul:

http://www.dailypaul.com/318382/i-was-asked-to-publish-my-impressions-of-the-bundy-ranch-drama-so-here-it-is

Quote
There's a lot of simple misunderstanding going on here but these are mostly misunderstandings among men of good faith...

For some positive news, a lot of lessons were learned and this was the first time some of the miltias had ever worked together (with or without the often-repeated-mantra “we're NOT militia, we're OathKeepers”). New bonds of trust and friendship have been formed no matter what it looks like on the surface and this was just the beginning. I expect there will shortly come an announcement of another action, an action having nothing to do with Bundy land or the Bundy family specifically. I think we can all feel grateful that no human lives were lost to us or to the Feds (Feds have children too) and that a statement was made that was heard literally around the world.

And from BenSwann.com:

http://benswann.com/perspective-3-days-in-bunkerville-at-the-bundy-ranch/
Perspective: 3 Days In Bunkerville At The Bundy Ranch

Written by Guest Contributor, Bryan Daugherty

Bangor, Maine- It was only weeks ago when with the news of Cliven Bundy and his ranch being surrounded by federal agents, specifically the Bureau of Land Management, I found my way from Bangor, Maine to Cliven Bundy’s ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada. </snip>
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: StillaGhost on May 16, 2014, 04:07:57 pm



Maybe next time a dd 214 should be required for everyone claiming to be a seal, SF, Ranger, infantry or whatever.



 
 
 
   Bad idea unless you have a method of absolutely securing that information , not the sort of info that should be falling into the wrong hands.
 
   And the whole Bundy thing was a clusterf*** , reread what Gooch stated for emphasis on the massive egos that got involved , along with of course the tactical mistakes made.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 16, 2014, 05:08:15 pm



Maybe next time a dd 214 should be required for everyone claiming to be a seal, SF, Ranger, infantry or whatever.



 
 
 
   Bad idea unless you have a method of absolutely securing that information , not the sort of info that should be falling into the wrong hands.
 
   And the whole Bundy thing was a clusterf*** , reread what Gooch stated for emphasis on the massive egos that got involved , along with of course the tactical mistakes made.
Chihuahua comments aside :laugh:, being that you were there, could you provide your take on it? I, and I'm sure many others, would love to hear of your experiences there.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: jamie on May 24, 2014, 05:07:52 am
According to Laurence Vance and Silver the military is evil, stupid, mindless, brutal and absolutely without redemption.

Might ask the average Iraqi and Afghanistan villager... as they mourn their dead sisters and mothers, brothers and fathers. There are no doubt individual military members with actual hearts and minds, and sorrowfully, I suspect that many or most of those are taking their own lives or joining the ranks of veterans with damaged minds and PTSD, etc.  Would not that indicate that there was a serious problem with the entire set up?

I did ask the "average Afghanistan villager", it is more complicated than you posit here. Every veteran who saw anything in any war fits your "damaged minds and PTSD " to some extent.

Your simplistic "would that not indicate that there was a serious problem with the entire set up" not with standing. Of course everyone with a brain can see that.

I am more than a little tired of non combatants lecturing and hectoring.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 24, 2014, 06:26:30 am
Every veteran who saw anything in any war fits your "damaged minds and PTSD " to some extent.

Of course! That was the whole point.  And the same is true of every man, woman and child who watched their loved ones go off to "war," even if they managed to come back. EVERYONE is damaged, many irreparably, by any involvement in aggression, of whatever kind. Is it "simple?" No, of course not. The solution is to stop the aggression, and while that should be easy to understand, getting people to quit defending aggression this way is most certainly not.

And no, I don't buy your last statement either.  I don't think anyone has to experience slavery to know it is evil and always wrong. I don't need to experience life as a cop to know that the thugification of police across the country is evil and wrong.  I did live a good part of my life as a Marine "brat" and a Navy wife. I've seen the evil close up and personal. I don't need to go to Iraq to understand it.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: StillaGhost on May 24, 2014, 10:38:41 am

 The solution is to stop the aggression, and while that should be easy to understand, getting people to quit defending aggression this way is most certainly not.



 
 
   Good luck on that one. Getting a buncha hairless apes with aggression hardwired into their cortex by evolution to forego opportunities for same is indeed a Herculean task. To defend aggression is to prop up their socalled ideals and social construct , to deny aggression would shake their foundations too much for comfort.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: Rarick on May 24, 2014, 10:49:02 am
Some of the veterans have a better stocked means of processing violence than others. I think that most of the veterans are varying degrees of the kid in the movie "Platoon" come to fight a war for "mom, pop and apple pie in a righteous manner"  and get violently disillusioned when they discover the war is about "Getting there firstest with the moistest to support that liberty bitch in the style she has become accustomed.  Baby seal? fuck the seal I need a coat!"
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: da gooch on May 24, 2014, 09:44:46 pm

 The solution is to stop the aggression, and while that should be easy to understand, getting people to quit defending aggression this way is most certainly not.



 
 
   Good luck on that one. Getting a buncha hairless apes with aggression hardwired into their cortex by evolution to forego opportunities for same is indeed a Herculean task. To defend aggression is to prop up their socalled ideals and social construct , to deny aggression would shake their foundations too much for comfort.

I doubt that there is a population anywhere on this planet we call home that doesn't have its vested interest in the subtle aggression commonly known as "human ego"* and the "search for Personal Accomplishment".
The Best Baker aggressively strives to make his/er bread The Best.
Aggression is part and parcel of the human animal. Limiting its excesses would seem to be the task at hand not "killing" or "removing" it. A lobotomy removes all aggression period. Is that what any of you would want for yourselves, for your progeny or the rest of humanity?



* The ego that gets you out of bed in the morning not the Ego that wants to Rule the World.

edit to change an incorrect word
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 25, 2014, 06:14:45 am
Aggression is part and parcel of the human animal. Limiting its excesses would seem to be the task at hand not "killing" or "removing" it. A lobotomy removes all aggression period. Is that what any of you would want for yourselves, for your progeny or the rest of humanity?

Self interest, the drive to survive, is the key to all human achievement, as well as true peace and prosperity. Aggression (willingness to harm others) very naturally springs from that as well, but is not the same thing, I think. I've known a great many people with incredible drives and honest self interest who would not dream of harming another person. The trick is to keep them separate, I guess.

The great evil is the lie of "altruism," the subjugation of all true self interest to the hive mentality. Since it is nearly impossible to destroy the self, without being dead, those who subscribe to this philosophy become more or less bitter, angry, resentful, and become aggressors, even if only by proxy.

Seems to me that the answer to that is self defense, for starters, and refusal to feed the hive as much as possible. Can non hive humans survive, let alone win out over the collective. I don't know, but I have a lot of hope.
Title: Re: Oath Keepers call to arms- Nevada
Post by: StillaGhost on May 26, 2014, 03:45:50 pm


Self interest, the drive to survive, is the key to all human achievement, as well as true peace and prosperity. Aggression (willingness to harm others) very naturally springs from that as well, but is not the same thing, I think. I've known a great many people with incredible drives and honest self interest who would not dream of harming another person. The trick is to keep them separate, I guess.

The great evil is the lie of "altruism," the subjugation of all true self interest to the hive mentality. Since it is nearly impossible to destroy the self, without being dead, those who subscribe to this philosophy become more or less bitter, angry, resentful, and become aggressors, even if only by proxy.

Seems to me that the answer to that is self defense, for starters, and refusal to feed the hive as much as possible. Can non hive humans survive, let alone win out over the collective. I don't know, but I have a lot of hope.

 
 
    Now we're getting to the meat of the matter. That self interest that you refer to , when allowed to get out of control and fed by greed produces sociopathic behavior of the sort exhibited within most National , State , Territorial etc etc Capitals the world round , along within the top ranks of financial institutions , the corporatocracies..........
 
  When self interested individuals manage to inflict their " interests" on other people and then exploit them to serve said "interest".............view the results nightly on the 11 o'clock news.
 
 
   As for non hive types surviving , well they have for eons. They are the genetic pool which replenishes the stock when the Hives go to war and kill each other off. Problem being that the evolutionary path is for yet more Hives to eventually develop and the same sort of scenario to ensue once again.