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Title: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 12, 2015, 01:28:30 pm
Some scary stuff... but I think there is a lot of valuable information here.

Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2015/09/cycle-of-insurgency-cops-are-being-targeted-whats-next/
The airwaves are full of pundits screaming about violence against police officers. These are the same pundits that disregarded the warnings of experts in the field of insurgency when the Ferguson riots broke out and chose to dismiss the rioters as “thugs.” They continued to cheerlead for more police militarization even after the first officers were shot in targeted killings. They are now continuing their efforts to support police militarization. Those of us that warned of this last year, have watched in horror as all of our predictions came true. We are now in the fourth stage of the cycle of insurgency. The fifth stage is open insurrection. It is time for officers to dismiss the pundits on Fox News that have never held a firearm outside of a range and listen to people that know what they are talking about. None of us that have made these warnings did so because these are things we want to happen, we did it in an attempt to stop them from happening. A year after my first article on the subject, every single prediction has come true. Can the pundits on Fox News say that? No, and listening to their rhetoric has caused more cops and innocents to die.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Bear on September 13, 2015, 12:54:02 am
I think they are on to something.  :thinking:

Bear
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Silver on September 13, 2015, 04:45:20 pm
Some scary stuff... but I think there is a lot of valuable information here.

Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?

I must respectfully disagree.  The article is complete and utter bullshit.   :bs:  The author is a liar, and not even a very good one.

The manure flows from the first sentence, and never lets up.
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The airwaves are full of pundits screaming about violence against police officers

That's his source.  MSM pundits.  'nuff said.

It rapidly gets worse.  He offers " a brief synopsis of the cycle of insurgency from an article written in August of 2014"

I followed the link: Is Nonviolent Revolution A Possibility? (http://theantimedia.org/is-nonviolent-revolution-a-possibility/)

His "synopsis" in the article at issue lists 5 stages: Pamphlets, Reactive Protests, Preemptive Rioting, Military or Law Enforcement backlash and crackdowns, and Widespread rebellion and insurrection.

Not a single one of those phrases occur in the article he cites. HIS OWN ARTICLE.  The only words that appear are "military," "law enforcement," "widespead" and "insurrections."  No mention of Pamphlets, Reactive, Protests, Preemptive, Rioting, backlash crackdowns, or rebellion.

So this guy cites his own drivel to bolters a claim that he has been predicting something that he believes because he saw it on the teewee.  But his drivel doesn't support that at all; he just made shit up.

The bigger problem is that there is NO evidence of "targeted killings" of police officers. 

I'll hold my nose and cite Wapo, the chief mouthpiece for all things Mordor. 
Once again: There is no ‘war on cops.’ And those who claim otherwise are playing a dangerous game. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/10/once-again-there-is-no-war-on-cops-and-those-who-claim-otherwise-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/)

Consider that source for a minute.  Fox and CNN and the rest of the MSM serve the masters.  They and politicians are the ones spreading the hysteria.  If Wapo is calling BS on something that serves these interests, they had better be prepared to back it up.  And they do.

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So far, 2015 is on pace to see 35 felonious killings of police officers. If that pace holds, this year would end with the second lowest number of murdered cops in decades. Here’s a graph depicting annual killings of cops with firearms from Mark A. Perry at the American Enterprise Institute:
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2015/09/PerryAEI.jpg)

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If we look at the rate of killings of cops, the trend is more pronounced. ...the number of police has generally gone up, while the number of officers killed has generally gone down. So your graph looks something like this one, from Dan Wang:
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2015/09/FKPer100KCops.jpg)

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The other way you could measure the rate of killings of police officers is to look at the number with respect to the overall population. Here’s another graph from Perry that plots those figures:

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2015/09/police1-1024x581.jpg)

They go on.  2013 was an all-time low for police killings, by a very large margin.  That allows the liars and manipulators, including both Fox and Justin King, to talk about big jumps in 2014, even though 2014 was also near historical lows.

They show that not just killings, but the number and rate of assaults on police is plunging.  You can't explain away the decline in fatalities with bullet-proof vests and better emergency care.

Any murder is a tradgedy.

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But media outlets, politicians, and police advocates do real damage when they push this false narrative about a rising threat to law enforcement. First, this sort of propaganda weights the public debate and discourse. When there’s a fictional “war on cops” blaring in the background, it becomes much more difficult to have an honest discussion about police cameras, police militarization, use of lethal force policies, police discipline, police transparency, training, police accountability, and a host of other issues. Of course, that’s precisely the point.

They are talking about YOU, Justin King.  You are part of the problem, an irritant and distraction to all attempts to address the very real problems.

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But there’s also a much more pernicious effect of exaggerating the threats faced by law enforcement. When cops are constantly told that they’re under constant fire, or that every interaction with a citizen could be their last, or that they’re fortunate each time they come home from the job in one piece, it’s absolute poison for police-community relations. That kind of reminder on a regular basis would put anyone on edge. We’re putting police officers in a perpetually combative mindset that psychologically isolates them from the communities they serve. Incessantly telling cops that they’re under fire can condition them to see the people with whom they interact not as citizens with rights, but as potential threats.

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An over-emphasis on and obsession with a “war on cops” would be dangerous and counterproductive even if it were true. But by every imaginable measure, it just isn’t true. When this false narrative comes from police organizations and their supporters, it’s at least somewhat understandable. When it comes from politicians, it’s grandstanding and demagoguery. When it comes from media organizations, it’s journalistic malpractice. And it’s almost certainly getting people killed.

That's why I must disagree with MamaLiberty's that "there is a lot of valuable information here."  I submit that is it dangerous disinformation, a pack of lies and logical fallacies thrown together by a professional criminal (read his bio) for his own ends.  And these lies are a factor in getting ordinary people killed by police every day, at the rate of about 4 a day so far this year.

That is evil.  It is not valuable. It is despicable.

Peace,

Silver
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 14, 2015, 06:20:34 am
Thanks for your evaluation, Silver. :)
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: DiabloLoco on September 14, 2015, 02:45:49 pm
Thanks for your evaluation, Silver. :)
Yeah...Silver has all the best charts. :laugh: Ditto! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on September 20, 2015, 02:06:06 pm
I'll present that the fellow who wrote the OP ML linked to, was simply using a few cases of targeted murders where the assassin wasn't caught, or where someone seemed to have been framed to make the kind of vast sweeping generalizations which any of us here, even those of us prone to generalizing, would call bullshit... 

As for targeted killings, I don't remember the ones I read about off the top of my head (been a long year.)  Anyways, I recall reading there were two in Missouri, a few in Nevada and two or three in New York.  That's far from a waterfall of death dealing which is being predicted.  He was making a HUGE generalization

Compared to the number of pigs feeding at the taxpaying trough, a half dozen "targeted killings" is so far down the statistical chart that it might just be a pissed off civilian or three who got even for all the bullshit cops are doing these days.  I don't have charts or stats, but I would be willing to bet more cops got hit by lightning this year than got killed in "targeted killings."  While those "assassins"  in question might have been sane and just pissed off, in reality, for cops to feel "threatened" by such things, shows exactly why the USA Educational System is such utter and absolute trash.  We, as a nation, have had to lower the IQ bar so the average IQ would remain 100 while the people get dumber than bricks.  Seriously, when basic math skills are considered unusual or "smart" you know your civilization is sinking fast into the deep end of a deep shit pond.

We should lower the number of cops, fire most of them, and only hire peacekeepers with high IQ and grant them the ability to deputize the locals.  That would form "community policing" powers the likes of which community organizing commies can only dream of.  It would also reestablish financial stability in communities plundered to keep police unions employed.  Between that and the elimination of any loose reading of "qualified immunity" we'd see the return of actual VISIBLE justice in the so called justice system.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: RVM45 on September 20, 2015, 03:26:10 pm
Friends,

I don't perceive any "War on Laws" taking place—not that I am a diligent watcher of the news.

One goal of both Terrorists and Freedom Fighters is to "Force" or at least Tempt the targeted Regime into taking such Draconian Measures that the ranks of Dissidents taking up Arms swells.

I have often wondered what the result would be if just a dozen or so 3 or 4 man Sniper and Support Team would start targeting Laws. Once a dozen or so Laws was were down, they'd all make a strategic retreat and move on to the next city.

Your Snipers wouldn't have to be world class. In an urban environment being able to hit a human torso at 250-300 yards would be more than sufficient and since Laws have little or no training dealing with true Snipers...

At any rate—I would imagine that if 12 or so Laws in New York City were killed by Snipers who then moved silently on to Chicago…

This tells me that:

A.} No group of would-be insurrectionists has the native wit to implement such a plan.

B.} None of them can field a dozen modestly talented Snipers, a dozen reasonably skilled Spotters and 2 dozen capable support and getaway drivers.

Please note:

These 4 dozen Insurrectionists need to be sane enough to walk around in plain clothes in a city without standing out like a Clown in the Audience at an Opera…




…..RVM45
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Tahn L. on September 20, 2015, 06:39:39 pm

One goal of both Terrorists and Freedom Fighters is to "Force" or at least Tempt the targeted Regime into taking such Draconian Measures that the ranks of Dissidents taking up Arms swells.

…..RVM45

It is certainly NOT the goal of freedom people I know to provoke such a response. Our goal is to work to restore freedom to our land, NOT to become murderers or terrorists ourselves. Your post is insane and IMHO contrary to the rules of this forum.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 20, 2015, 06:45:01 pm
I certainly don't want to provoke such a response, but as far as I'm concerned, we're already at war. I am extorted into funding people whose job it is to watch me closely for any little infraction of a host of malum prohibitum laws, and then to kidnap me and cage me like an animal. It is currently easier to avoid them than to eradicate them, so that's what I do. If that equation changes...
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: RVM45 on September 20, 2015, 10:06:41 pm
I'm not advocating anything.

I was merely remarking at:

A.} The Near Total Impotence of those who very much want to Incite Widespread Insurrection…
 
And,

B.} If one or two Random Shootings makes folks run around like Chicken Little Screaming that the Republic is Falling—Can you imagine what a Dozen obviously pre-meditated and politically motivated shootings would do?
 

Now words have multiple meanings, but often one has to pin them down for the sake of rational discourse.

There is an old Axiom that says:

"One Man's Terrorist is Another Man's Freedom Fighter."

A Freedom Fighter has a Legitimate Grievance and a code of Honour—someone like William Quantrill or Bobby Sands.

A Terrorist Manufactures a Grievance in order to practice wholesale cruelty and he has no redeeming characteristics and no Honour. Reference Che Guevara, Fidel Castro or Any Mujahideen. 

In terms of fighting Guerrilla War this is a Binary system with an Excluded Middle.

If you don't like The choices then never take part in a Guerrilla action for any reason.

My sister used to insist that her Kindergarten teacher was in some sense a Blue Cannon since her name was "Bucannon".

Picking the word "Freedom" out of the special purpose title of some kinds of Guerrilla Fighters and saying "Well, that ain't Freedom to me!" Is Non-Responsive and Disingenuous.

That is like saying Fruit Loops must be Nutritious because it has "Fruit" in its name.

At any rate, even the US Manuals for organizing behind-the-lines Guerrilla Operations state that one of any Guerrilla Group's early and prime objectives is to get the occupying force to become so oppressive to live under that they end up being the opposition's biggest recruiter. This can backfire if the indigs blame the "Freedom Fighters" and not the oppressor…

Once again, if you don't like the way the game is played, then never get drawn into a Guerrilla Operation.

HONESTLY

Did you really think that my purpose was to urge any course of action onto anyone?

Except to think...

Y'know I'm 58—just 12 years short of the Biblical 3 score and 10. I'm in piss-poor health and may not last even that long.

It might be a blessing not to live out the Biblical 70—in my case.

I have no children and no close friends. I don't really give a Rat's Ass what happens to our Soi Disant Civilization—except to spectate and comment.

You won't find me enthusiastically egging anyone on to do anything.

I don't particularly care.


…..RVM45

Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 21, 2015, 05:44:47 am

One goal of both Terrorists and Freedom Fighters is to "Force" or at least Tempt the targeted Regime into taking such Draconian Measures that the ranks of Dissidents taking up Arms swells.

…..RVM45

It is certainly NOT the goal of freedom people I know to provoke such a response. Our goal is to work to restore freedom to our land, NOT to become murderers or terrorists ourselves. Your post is insane and IMHO contrary to the rules of this forum.

Talking ABOUT such things is not the same as advocating them, or outlining specific plans to carry it out. That would certainly be illegal and against the TOC. Such talk is counterproductive, however, and I appeal to RVM45 to cease doing so.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: RVM45 on September 21, 2015, 11:15:57 am
Okay.

…..RVM45
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Sandfort on September 21, 2015, 01:49:43 pm
Some scary stuff... but I think there is a lot of valuable information here.

Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2015/09/cycle-of-insurgency-cops-are-being-targeted-whats-next/

Whether or not the article's authorized sources are authoritative, it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow as long as there is little or no accountability in the law. With each new murder or manslaughter of an unarmed, presumably innocent (that is the legal presumption, right?) more people with low impulse control or other factors leading to violence, cop killings will increase. Unfortunately, the public "feel good" choice will be to just get tougher and thereby exacerbate the problem.

I have finished, but not published a short story, The List, that explores why someone might "take the law into their own hands" (where it started out after all). It is called  and I am currently working along a more widely encompassing sequel, with the imaginative working title of The List II. I probably won't publish List I, until List II is finished and maybe not until a List III has been written or decided against. If you want on my mailing list, send me an email with "MM LIST" in the Subject line to: sandy@privilegedcommunications.net

[Edited to fix the quote - ML]
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 21, 2015, 02:30:25 pm
Hmm... A brand new member asking for email addresses from people interested in a book about taking the law into your own hands. Don't think I'd jump on that one, even if I WERE interested in such a book.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 21, 2015, 03:06:14 pm
Hmm... A brand new member asking for email addresses from people interested in a book about taking the law into your own hands. Don't think I'd jump on that one, even if I WERE interested in such a book.

This is someone Claire featured at her blog: http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2015/09/19/plan-sea/. I've talked with Sandy a good number of times. Sandy was involved with Scott Bieser in a graphic comic on line at Big Head Press: http://www.bigheadpress.com/eft
I also invited him to join TMM. Could have introduced him, but I'm not sure how I'd have done that earlier since I didn't know he's post here.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Silver on September 21, 2015, 04:48:28 pm
...
Whether or not the article's authorized sources are authoritative, it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow...

What a load of crap.  Claire's friend or not, the fact that a load of BS supports Sandy's feelz doesn't inform or impress anyone. 
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 21, 2015, 05:24:51 pm
Thanks, MamaLiberty. That makes a big difference.

Sorry to doubt you Sandfort, but that's life in the big universe. Welcome to TMM!
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 21, 2015, 05:26:01 pm
...
Whether or not the article's authorized sources are authoritative, it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow...

What a load of crap.  Claire's friend or not, the fact that a load of BS supports Sandy's feelz doesn't inform or impress anyone.

Interesting that you doubt this, Silver. I'm surprised that it's taken so long.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on September 22, 2015, 12:30:35 am
Sandy, you may want to read A Tale of Two Cities.   The old lady knitting the sweater may well have beaten your story to the punch by... oh, say... 400 years!

:D

Jus' sayin'.  Stories about abusive governmentalists out of touch with reality getting whacked after deservingly being put on a list is not as fictional as some folks might think.

Me... I'm not going to advocate anything, but I know first hand from childhood experience, that at some point, shit will snap.  Not that much will change, people would sell their mothers into prostitution just to keep the status quo going.  Violent revolution all over my homeland and those of my ancestors?  Check.  Real change?  No Check.  So don't get your hopes up, unless you and yours and me and mine go and form real checks, real balances and real deterrents to the return of tyranny or the installment of external tyranny (read: conquest) once the revolutionaries finish.

Disposing of tyrannical religionist psychos goes a long way towards that too.

But that would be a set of thesis papers worthy of the fanciest war colleges in history, and I bet they'd struggle just as much as we would to devise a solution that works to keep tyranny out for good.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Bear on September 22, 2015, 12:56:29 am
Just my 2 cents worth:

I don't think there is any 'built-in' line in the sand that will always force a 'blow back' reaction.
At any given time or place I think there are cultural norms that TPTB are wise to respect, at least
until they can move the cultural norm to include whatever it is they want to do.

It is the goal of any agent-provacateur  to goad TPTB into overstepping the line of the current cultural
norm, thus bringing more people into the camp of the resistance.

Ironically, opposition to TPTB may end up making them more successful. By opposing their goals, they
have been slowed own, and their desired changes may seem acceptable. If they had been given free rein
to do what they want, they might have provoked the 'blow back' they are trying to avoid.

Bear
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: StillaGhost on September 22, 2015, 07:43:39 am
...
Whether or not the article's authorized sources are authoritative, it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow...

What a load of crap.  Claire's friend or not, the fact that a load of BS supports Sandy's feelz doesn't inform or impress anyone.

 
 
  Uh huh , and your load of BS above does what exactly? Oh that's right , you're supposed to be able to demonstrate your usual arrogance and hypocrisy and nobody is supposed to point it out because you're " Silver"......
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 22, 2015, 09:53:20 am
Another way to look at this...  http://zerogov.com/?p=4480

American Policing and the Coming Domestic Insurgency by Bill Buppert
The federal government apparatus in America has de facto and de jure federalized all police forces. All the cheap talk by the race hooligans of every pigmentation is fatuous and disingenuous at best. It’s done already.

There is no political actor in Washington who has even challenged the narrative and script that every government supremacist edict in America descends from the Feds. From the blunted secession movements like Vermont and Texas to the Drug War to the increasing militarization of the thin black and blue line, one thing becomes crystal clear: the police in the 19,000 departments across America are simply the pointy end (if not intellectually dull and diminished) of all politics. This isn’t simply an American phenomenon. It’s planet-wide and historically correct that absent these armed and uniformed thug forces, no political bad actor could deprive one human being of their liberty and individual volition.

The news and the interwebs are packed with stories and analysis on the emerging violent and capricious police state that is blanketing America. I have written extensively as has the brilliant William Grigg on the morbid details of the police state in all of its grotesque and totalitarian glory.

Now we hear the usual suspects in the government media complex mewling and writing in panic at a “war on police”. No such war exists, yet.

[extended quote with permission]
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Silver on September 22, 2015, 11:53:09 am
Interesting that you doubt this, Silver. I'm surprised that it's taken so long.

I doubt everything, most especially those claims that tend to agree with my biases and beliefs. 

ML presented an article.  I refuted it, at length, with actual evidence.  Facts.  The rate of murders and assaults on cops isn't increasing, it is falling.  There are no "targeted killings," there are lone nutjobs, people with serious mental illness, who have murdered randomly.  There are no lists of cops targeted.  There are no documented attempts on the lives of the cops who murdered Eric Garner, Micheal Brown, or any of the other unarmed marks whose deaths were highly publicized.

Sandfort invents a term "killer cops" without defining it or providing a single example.  He asserts that "it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow" without a scintilla of evidence, no examples, no acknowledgement of the facts already posted on the thread.

It's a load of horseshit. 

To your point Bill, I expect blowback, but I'm not at all sure it will come in the form of targeted killings.  Growing public awareness and some level of organized, nonviolent, peaceful protests is far more likely, and more likely to produce results that we desire. 

The advent of ubiquitous video recorders and the internet has changed the way police are viewed; eventually it will change the way they act and how they are held to account.  That doesn't mean change will be easy, quick, or always in a positive direction, but change will come.

Peace,

Silver
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: StillaGhost on September 22, 2015, 12:41:24 pm
Interesting that you doubt this, Silver. I'm surprised that it's taken so long.

I doubt everything, most especially those claims that tend to agree with my biases and beliefs. 

ML presented an article.  I refuted it, at length, with actual evidence.  Facts.  The rate of murders and assaults on cops isn't increasing, it is falling.  There are no "targeted killings," there are lone nutjobs, people with serious mental illness, who have murdered randomly.  There are no lists of cops targeted.  There are no documented attempts on the lives of the cops who murdered Eric Garner, Micheal Brown, or any of the other unarmed marks whose deaths were highly publicized.

Sandfort invents a term "killer cops" without defining it or providing a single example.  He asserts that "it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow" without a scintilla of evidence, no examples, no acknowledgement of the facts already posted on the thread.

It's a load of horseshit. 

To your point Bill, I expect blowback, but I'm not at all sure it will come in the form of targeted killings.  Growing public awareness and some level of organized, nonviolent, peaceful protests is far more likely, and more likely to produce results that we desire. 

The advent of ubiquitous video recorders and the internet has changed the way police are viewed; eventually it will change the way they act and how they are held to account.  That doesn't mean change will be easy, quick, or always in a positive direction, but change will come.

Peace,

Silver

 
 
  And indeed I'll point out the flaws in your alleged arguement , those being of course based upon **your** " bias and belief".
 
   And in actuality *NO* you didn't " refute the article" , and in your alleged " refutation you indulged in the *EXACT* same method of arguement as do those who would have us believe that *all* cops are being targeted.
 
   You utterly failed to address both sides of this issue , a factor that *actual* ethical arguement hinges upon , complete with cites of incomplete statistics. You instead make the claim that *NO* cops are being targeted.
 
   And as usual with such things the actual truth lies somewhere in between the two extremes. The fact that the cops guilty of the killings you mention  ( for hyperbolic effect no doubt) haven't been targeted isn't even remotely germane to this , your statement was that *NO* cops are being targeted , when the fact is that some Cops HAVE been targeted.
 
  Is it safer than ever to be a cop? Of course it is , those stats are undeniable. Again though , it's undeniable that *some* cops have been targeted simply for being LEOs.
 
  Therefore your hyperbolic , sensationalistic stance that NO cops are targeted is just as erroneous , unethical and illogical as the opposite sides stance that it's much more common than it really is.
 
  And " Sand" didn't " invent the term killer cops.".........that's another fallacy and failure in logic.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Sandfort on September 25, 2015, 06:04:50 pm
Hmm... A brand new member asking for email addresses from people interested in a book about taking the law into your own hands. Don't think I'd jump on that one, even if I WERE interested in such a book.

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

Bill, you are aware that you are on the Mental Militia mailing list, right? And that does not scare you? Yet are afraid of another website? Ah, the blood of the pioneers apparently runs thin in your veins. What I wrote was fiction and definitely first Amendment stuff. What I wrote in the post and in the story advocate NOTHING and certainly not that YOU do anything. You might want to talk to Claire Wolfe and others about me, check out Google, you know, actually do some research about the object of your paranoia. Hey, you could even read some of my books! Go to Smashwords.com and search for "Sandy Sandfort." Ditto for Amazon.com A little scholasticism in the movement never hurts.    :laugh:
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 26, 2015, 02:15:07 am
Yeah. I must be on lots of tyrant lists. If not, I'm doing something wrong. :)

MamaLiberty vouched for you. That was good enough for me.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Sandfort on September 26, 2015, 12:39:15 pm
Yeah. I must be on lots of tyrant lists. If not, I'm doing something wrong. :)

MamaLiberty vouched for you. That was good enough for me.

Thank you sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Sandfort on September 26, 2015, 12:58:10 pm
Silver wrote:
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I doubt everything, most especially those claims that tend to agree with my biases and beliefs. 

Sandfort invents a term "killer cops" without defining it or providing a single example.  He asserts that "it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow" without a scintilla of evidence, no examples, no acknowledgement of the facts already posted on the thread.

It's a load of horseshit. 

For Silver and all those with limited use of the English language. You may take "killer cop" to mean a "cop who kills." Simple, huh? Here's how it works. Though YOU clearly failed to define "horseshit," I, being a professional writer, interpret it as the "shit of a horse." If you have any other difficulties in defining simple English terms, please feel free to ask me for some help. ^_^
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: StillaGhost on September 26, 2015, 01:10:36 pm

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away



 
 
   Grand Funk Railroad....................Paranoid.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 26, 2015, 01:13:45 pm
If you have any other difficulties in defining simple English terms, please feel free to ask me for some help. ^_^

Oh me... Rather than inviting a pissing contest, (I'm addressing everyone here) why not discuss the actual topic instead of making snide and derogatory statements about another person. A strong challenge to the facts presented are not the same thing, though they often get mixed. Presenting things as fact, without anything to back it up, is an invitation to problems with that.

Silver is a long time member, very well thought of by most here, who usually limits himself to actual facts and polite discussion. It would be most helpful if everyone else did the same...
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 26, 2015, 02:46:16 pm
Topic split.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: StillaGhost on September 26, 2015, 09:42:14 pm
Topic split.

 
 
    Good , then we can get back to the "insurgency" that was heretofore under discussion.
 
   And a great deal of what's been discussed is nothing more than tactical lunacy that would in the end get folks dead for little to no strategic gain.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on September 26, 2015, 10:09:04 pm

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

 
Grand Funk Railroad....................Paranoid.

I thought of the Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young version on the "4 Way Street" live album, where it's titled "49 Bye Byes / America's Children". It's usually called "For What It's Worth". Wikipedia says that Steven Stills wrote it when he was in Buffalo Springfield. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_What_It's_Worth_%28Buffalo_Springfield_song%29
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: StillaGhost on September 26, 2015, 11:51:58 pm

I thought of the Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young version on the "4 Way Street" live album, where it's titled "49 Bye Byes / America's Children". It's usually called "For What It's Worth". Wikipedia says that Steven Stills wrote it when he was in Buffalo Springfield. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_What_It's_Worth_%28Buffalo_Springfield_song%29

 
 
   Still have it , on vinyl. An iconic song with lyrics that are more apropos than ever.
Title: Re: Cycle of insurgency: Cops are being targeted, what’s next?
Post by: StillaGhost on September 27, 2015, 12:03:12 am
 
 
  Back to the topic , there was some fairly serious stuff being bandied about. Leaving the legal implications out of it for the moment , it would well behoove some to assess what they would be facing and dispense with some of the oft repeated fantasies that will just get them killed uselessly along with perhaps bringing the PTB down on the heads of the populace in way of retaliation.
 
   Does the alleged "enemy" have atrocious tactics? For the most part yes of course ***against others with actual training and experience***.......but they'll roll right over untrained civilians with survivalist fantasies and not much else.
 
   And that's without considering the possibility of the National Guard and beyond getting into the act. Within the context of a *true* insurgency one does not give ones life uselessly , pragmatism is more the order of the day.
 
   And kicking off something that you're unlikely to prevail in is sheer folly.