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Title: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on April 20, 2016, 10:49:24 pm
https://afainatl.wordpress.com/2016/01/31/updates-anti-racists-mobilize-against-rock-stone-mountain-white-power-event-april-23rd-neo-nazi-rally-and-gathering-in-rome-ga-same-day/

https://midweststraightedgeantifa.noblogs.org/post/2016/04/20/all-out-against-nazis-klan-at-stone-mountain-ga-april-23rd/

The Klan and Neo-Nazi groups are planning a racist rock concert and rally at Stone Mountain in GA. Many of my friends are going there to protest. Due to unforeseeable circumstances, I'm not able to attend, but I know someone who will be taking pictures. I will have those pictures for you in 3-6 days.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Jake on April 21, 2016, 12:54:02 am
https://afainatl.wordpress.com/2016/01/31/updates-anti-racists-mobilize-against-rock-stone-mountain-white-power-event-april-23rd-neo-nazi-rally-and-gathering-in-rome-ga-same-day/

https://midweststraightedgeantifa.noblogs.org/post/2016/04/20/all-out-against-nazis-klan-at-stone-mountain-ga-april-23rd/

The Klan and Neo-Nazi groups are planning a racist rock concert and rally at Stone Mountain in GA. Many of my friends are going there to protest. Due to unforeseeable circumstances, I'm not able to attend, but I know someone who will be taking pictures. I will have those pictures for you in 3-6 days.

Hope the camera makes it out alive too!
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 21, 2016, 05:23:38 am
If the New Black Panther Party and Black Lives Matter were having a hip-hop concert, would you protest that too?


If not, you are part of the problem.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 21, 2016, 06:25:50 am
Protest? Why? To what purpose? Just because you disagree with what they say?  They have as much right to say and do stupid things as anyone else.

Unless they start to hurt other people or destroy property they don't own, what does it matter?

Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Bill St. Clair on April 21, 2016, 09:11:40 am
Unless they start to hurt other people or destroy property they don't own, what does it matter?

+1
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: heyoka on April 21, 2016, 09:23:48 am
 :popcorn:
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Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 21, 2016, 03:35:45 pm
Protest? Why? To what purpose? Just because you disagree with what they say?  They have as much right to say and do stupid things as anyone else.

Unless they start to hurt other people or destroy property they don't own, what does it matter?
I agree. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 21, 2016, 03:49:44 pm
I agree. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy. :rolleyes:

Sure! I was commenting on "Baked" saying he would go to such a "protest." :)
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Moonbeam on April 21, 2016, 11:37:26 pm
I don't see the big deal. Baked -and anyone else, has just as much right to assemble where he wants to as well and do all the protesting he wishes. I also fail to see the hypocrisy. He -just like anyone else, has the right to choose which ring to toss their hat into. He can be passionate about a particular issue though some may not see the merit.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 22, 2016, 05:10:38 am
I don't see the big deal. Baked -and anyone else, has just as much right to assemble where he wants to as well and do all the protesting he wishes. I also fail to see the hypocrisy. He -just like anyone else, has the right to choose which ring to toss their hat into. He can be passionate about a particular issue though some may not see the merit.

True, anyone can "protest" anything they wish. I wouldn't do so, probably in any case, but especially if nobody was being harmed or robbed by it. I take "live and let live" seriously. Most such "protests," far as I can see, are simply an attempt by some people to control the actions of others.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 22, 2016, 05:37:41 am
I don't see the big deal. Baked -and anyone else, has just as much right to assemble where he wants to as well and do all the protesting he wishes. I also fail to see the hypocrisy. He -just like anyone else, has the right to choose which ring to toss their hat into. He can be passionate about a particular issue though some may not see the merit.
The hypocrisy is that while he (and MANY others) claim to be against racism, they only see white people as the problem, and completely ignore blatant racism from any other race.

I could be wrong about him though. He never answers my posts anymore. He may have me on ignore. :dontknow: Perhaps my arguments are too logical to refute. :laugh:
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: FDD on April 22, 2016, 06:47:19 am
From what I have read here, Baked plans to protest a rock concert put on by some Klan and Neo-Nazi group.

Which is his right to do, but he needs to ask himself, Why is it wrong for a group to have a concert?
Just because you do not like what they think, or stand for. How does that make it wrong for them to have a concert?

Do they not have the right to think for themselves?
To associate with others that think as they do?

Or is this protest a way to force your believes on others?
Believe as I do or be destroyed.

Would he protest if TMM became a group that others did not like and wanted to control us?
Oh, wait we are a group that others do not like and want to control us, The US Government wants to control us.

Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on April 22, 2016, 10:16:44 am
Bad things happen when good people stand by and do nothing. Confronting those who are wrong with the truth and maybe changing the way they think is better than waiting for them to get radicalized and start killing again.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: FDD on April 22, 2016, 10:25:23 am
Bad things happen when good people stand by and do nothing. Confronting those who are wrong with the truth and maybe changing the way they think is better than waiting for them to get radicalized and start killing again.

And who are you to say they are wrong and that you know the truth?
Who are you to make anyone change how they want to think and do with their lives?
How is having a concert a bad thing, and when did you become all knowing and able to see into the future as to how things are going to happen?

From what I have seen and from what I know of such groups, you are not going to have any input in to changing their way of thinking, other than causing trouble and being a threat to them, forcing them to defend themselves.
And how then will that change them? other than prove to them they are right in their thinking.

Why not leave them alone and let them have their time to themselves.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on April 22, 2016, 10:48:39 am
Bad things happen when good people stand by and do nothing. Confronting those who are wrong with the truth and maybe changing the way they think is better than waiting for them to get radicalized and start killing again.

And who are you to say they are wrong and that you know the truth?
Who are you to make anyone change how they want to think and do with their lives?
How is having a concert a bad thing, and when did you become all knowing and able to see into the future as to how things are going to happen?

From what I have seen and from what I know of such groups, you are not going to have any input in to changing their way of thinking, other than causing trouble and being a threat to them, forcing them to defend themselves.
And how then will that change them? other than prove to them they are right in their thinking.

Why not leave them alone and let them have their time to themselves.

It's a scientific fact that there are no races, there are only variations in appearance. We don't say there are different races of tomatoes just because the yellow pear and german strawberry look different. They're both still tomatoes.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: FDD on April 22, 2016, 10:54:15 am
Bad things happen when good people stand by and do nothing. Confronting those who are wrong with the truth and maybe changing the way they think is better than waiting for them to get radicalized and start killing again.

And who are you to say they are wrong and that you know the truth?
Who are you to make anyone change how they want to think and do with their lives?
How is having a concert a bad thing, and when did you become all knowing and able to see into the future as to how things are going to happen?

From what I have seen and from what I know of such groups, you are not going to have any input in to changing their way of thinking, other than causing trouble and being a threat to them, forcing them to defend themselves.
And how then will that change them? other than prove to them they are right in their thinking.

Why not leave them alone and let them have their time to themselves.

It's a scientific fact that there are no races, there are only variations in appearance. We don't say there are different races of tomatoes just because the yellow pear and german strawberry look different. They're both still tomatoes.

But why do you feel you have the right to tell others that they are wrong in wanting to be with people like them?
People judge people over all kinds of things.
Who are you to say that they do not have a right to want to be with only one type of people?
Do they not have the right to be and do things with people they want to be with?
Who are you to force others to think as you do?
So you do not like that. then stay away and be happy with your life, Why force people to live how you think it should be?

Sorry sir, but you are wrong in this.
Let them have their time.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: heyoka on April 22, 2016, 11:20:18 am
It's a scientific fact that there are no races, there are only variations in appearance. We don't say there are different races of tomatoes just because the yellow pear and german strawberry look different. They're both still tomatoes.
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Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Bill St. Clair on April 22, 2016, 11:23:33 am
The different races are nearly identical from a DNA point of view. And the state is a huge organized criminal extortion racket. Both facts. Both hotly contested by people willing to kill to preserve their point of view. Protest if you want. You have a right to express YOUR point of view. I no longer waste my time, unless they're initiating force against somebody I care about.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Tahn L. on April 22, 2016, 01:09:33 pm
Baked,  Maybe you could protest as a libertarian by stating that you completely disagree with what they stand for but if they are not harming anyone, you totally support their right to say/stand/party where they may. See which side stones you first.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Jake on April 23, 2016, 01:16:15 am
I agree. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy. :rolleyes:

Sure! I was commenting on "Baked" saying he would go to such a "protest." :)
It probably would be a good one to go to just for the entertainment  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on April 24, 2016, 10:10:17 am
Baked,  Maybe you could protest as a libertarian by stating that you completely disagree with what they stand for but if they are not harming anyone, you totally support their right to say/stand/party where they may. See which side stones you first.  :ph34r:

This is the Libertarian way if you're using the word in the way it's used everywhere but North America.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: heyoka on April 24, 2016, 10:43:58 am
By all means protest, if it seems like the thing to do. But, be aware that a tactic used more and more by TPIB is to implant professional provocateurs to escalate the festivities to where the LSM can "justify" xtra draconian actions. There are lots of examples, but I'll point out the Waco MC debacle as a relatively recent one.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 13, 2016, 01:20:33 am
Baked at 420...

Sorry to tell ya bud, but there are races, but they aren't what you think.  Races basically mean tribal origins.  Humans are a tribal species, so while races don't mean separate species, there is some cultural and biological bias introduced into the system when you separate them into tribes for a long enough duration.  Its not enough and we haven't been doing it long enough to introduce speciation, though the biases are there, asians are shorter, white guys sunburn faster, black dudes get sickle cell anemia more often, etc.  There are adaptations which are genetic in each tribal subgroup.  Native americans are very vulnerable to fermented alcohol, etc.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Bill St. Clair on June 13, 2016, 07:39:43 am
There are certainly races, and there are statistical correlations. Jews and Asians are smarter than Caucasians, who are smarter than Hispanics and Africans. Statistically. But the standard deviation is huge. It still makes more sense to treat individual humans as individuals, not members of a race.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Adam Ruff on June 13, 2016, 09:06:26 am
I expect most of the members of these groups, the KKK and the Neo-Nazi's, to be undercover agents of the state there to cultivate patsies and to orchestrate false flag operations. To a lesser extent they are there to use these groups to help divide and conquer strategies succeed. The loudest and most aggressive of them are very likely undercover fed agent provocateurs. Don't laugh but groups like this have been found to contain more undercover feds than actual members.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 13, 2016, 10:19:00 am
Don't laugh but groups like this have been found to contain more undercover feds than actual members.

Do you have some reliable sources for these allegations? I seriously doubt the need for so many agents, since there are obviously so many gullible fools available.  The agents require paychecks. The fools are happy to do without.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Adam Ruff on June 13, 2016, 05:15:10 pm
Do you have some reliable sources for these allegations? I seriously doubt the need for so many agents, since there are obviously so many gullible fools available.  The agents require paychecks. The fools are happy to do without.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/video-feds-infiltrate-neo-nazi-biker-gang (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/video-feds-infiltrate-neo-nazi-biker-gang)Feds Infiltrate Neo-Nazi Biker Gang

Video on that page is a busted link but this is part of the article: "Early members of the neo-Nazi motorcycle gang included two undercover FBI agents and an unnamed biker, who offered $1,000 to anyone willing to shoot a black man riding an ATV. Later, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force installed hidden microphones and cameras in the St. Cloud clubhouse. Klose's in-house explosives experts turned out to be the FBI undercover agents whom he asked repeatedly to build bombs for attacks that he was planning"

So it seems this was a new "club" and among it's very first members were two FBI agents and an undercover cop who became the "recruiter" for the gang. So while I may have exaggerated a bit by saying more than half can be feds cases like this one show that the feds often are involved directly in making these kinds of groups grow and flourish. Sometimes they are the ones who promote violence too. Very shady.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 13, 2016, 06:20:42 pm
Do you have some reliable sources for these allegations? I seriously doubt the need for so many agents, since there are obviously so many gullible fools available.  The agents require paychecks. The fools are happy to do without.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/video-feds-infiltrate-neo-nazi-biker-gang (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/video-feds-infiltrate-neo-nazi-biker-gang)Feds Infiltrate Neo-Nazi Biker Gang

Video on that page is a busted link but this is part of the article: "Early members of the neo-Nazi motorcycle gang included two undercover FBI agents and an unnamed biker, who offered $1,000 to anyone willing to shoot a black man riding an ATV. Later, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force installed hidden microphones and cameras in the St. Cloud clubhouse. Klose's in-house explosives experts turned out to be the FBI undercover agents whom he asked repeatedly to build bombs for attacks that he was planning"

So it seems this was a new "club" and among it's very first members were two FBI agents and an undercover cop who became the "recruiter" for the gang. So while I may have exaggerated a bit by saying more than half can be feds cases like this one show that the feds often are involved directly in making these kinds of groups grow and flourish. Sometimes they are the ones who promote violence too. Very shady.

Remember the old quote, bro:

"You can always tell who the undercover cops are at a protest.  They're the ones who brought the guns, bombs and ski masks and are trying to get everyone to use them."
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 13, 2016, 07:22:58 pm
Baked,  Maybe you could protest as a libertarian by stating that you completely disagree with what they stand for but if they are not harming anyone, you totally support their right to say/stand/party where they may. See which side stones you first.  :ph34r:

I fully support Baked's right to wear body armor and a helmet ... I would hope he'd do it even if it was not legal.  Protesting them boys can have... physically detrimental consequences.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on June 14, 2016, 10:29:17 am
In German:
"Nur eines hätte unsere Bewegung stoppen können – wenn unsere Gegner ihr Prinzip verstanden hätten und vom ersten Tag an den Kern unserer neuen Bewegung mit aller Brutalität zerschlagen hätten."

In English:
"Only one thing could have stopped our movement - if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement."

Adolf Hitler, 1934

It is interesting to me at least that the impetus for violent opposition to Nazis comes from their own leaders words. I do find it slightly ironic.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: FDD on June 14, 2016, 10:38:22 am
In German:
"Nur eines hätte unsere Bewegung stoppen können – wenn unsere Gegner ihr Prinzip verstanden hätten und vom ersten Tag an den Kern unserer neuen Bewegung mit aller Brutalität zerschlagen hätten."

In English:
"Only one thing could have stopped our movement - if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement."

Adolf Hitler, 1934

It is interesting to me at least that the impetus for violent opposition to Nazis comes from their own leaders words. I do find it slightly ironic.

If you look at every government, they all started out this way.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on June 14, 2016, 12:06:59 pm
In German:
"Nur eines hätte unsere Bewegung stoppen können – wenn unsere Gegner ihr Prinzip verstanden hätten und vom ersten Tag an den Kern unserer neuen Bewegung mit aller Brutalität zerschlagen hätten."

In English:
"Only one thing could have stopped our movement - if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement."

Adolf Hitler, 1934

It is interesting to me at least that the impetus for violent opposition to Nazis comes from their own leaders words. I do find it slightly ironic.

If you look at every government, they all started out this way.

True, but there are other factors which must be considered in order to form a government. For one, there must be a hierarchy for government to exist, and in the case of flat organizations such as AntiFa and similar groups, there is no hierarchy.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 14, 2016, 02:57:48 pm


True, but there are other factors which must be considered in order to form a government. For one, there must be a hierarchy for government to exist, and in the case of flat organizations such as AntiFa and similar groups, there is no hierarchy.
Are the truly ambitious members shuffled out? Doesn't seem like the kind of organization that promotes growth and innovation. Those are created mainly from stiff competition and perceived reward. If all are equal, and that's all they will ever be, where's the incentive to grow beyond what you are now?
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on June 15, 2016, 04:42:16 pm


True, but there are other factors which must be considered in order to form a government. For one, there must be a hierarchy for government to exist, and in the case of flat organizations such as AntiFa and similar groups, there is no hierarchy.
Are the truly ambitious members shuffled out? Doesn't seem like the kind of organization that promotes growth and innovation. Those are created mainly from stiff competition and perceived reward. If all are equal, and that's all they will ever be, where's the incentive to grow beyond what you are now?

Things are equitable, not equal.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 15, 2016, 05:09:06 pm


True, but there are other factors which must be considered in order to form a government. For one, there must be a hierarchy for government to exist, and in the case of flat organizations such as AntiFa and similar groups, there is no hierarchy.
Are the truly ambitious members shuffled out? Doesn't seem like the kind of organization that promotes growth and innovation. Those are created mainly from stiff competition and perceived reward. If all are equal, and that's all they will ever be, where's the incentive to grow beyond what you are now?

Things are equitable, not equal.
So what happens then, when a member of the organization gains more respect/money/power/influence than the others and they are no longer considered equal, but superior? IMO, forced equality=zero growth. For me personally, in my work and in life in general, I don't want to be equal with others. I want to be superior. It gives me something to shoot for and is the source of my drive. Better/faster/higher quality.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 15, 2016, 05:46:47 pm
Hmmm, I don't want to form a government, or to participate in one if formed. So, I don't care about equality or superiority, since I simply want to be left alone. :) I got all that "drive" stuff out of my system long ago.  :laugh: Now I'm happy to just wake up alive each morning... still able to climb the stairs and reach the coffee maker. Anything after that is gravy.  LOL
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on June 15, 2016, 06:05:19 pm
So what happens then, when a member of the organization gains more respect/money/power/influence than the others and they are no longer considered equal, but superior?

Respect and influence are possible, but would change nothing organizationally. Money is a non-issue since the point of the movement is classless moneyless society. Power over others comes from hierarchy and if there is no hierarchy there is only the feeble force of one. So good luck with that. The rest of what you said is irrelevant because it was an assumption based on falsehood.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 15, 2016, 06:38:39 pm
So what happens then, when a member of the organization gains more respect/money/power/influence than the others and they are no longer considered equal, but superior?

Respect and influence are possible, but would change nothing organizationally. Money is a non-issue since the point of the movement is classless moneyless society. Power over others comes from hierarchy and if there is no hierarchy there is only the feeble force of one. So good luck with that. The rest of what you said is irrelevant because it was an assumption based on falsehood.
I guess I just don't understand the organization. Can't wrap my head around it. I don't understand how it could work. :dontknow:

Without the possibility for advancement and/or monetary gain, what would drive people in such an organization to move forward? Also, without money as a means for exchange/business, wouldn't something else just take it's place, therefore making that new thing/things the defacto "money"?

For example, you manufacture knives. For you, those knives are money. If you make better knives than another cutler, your knives would demand more goods in exchange than the other guy's knives. So, how is that "cashless", how is that not capitalism, and how would such a society not create new barons of industry?

Could you maybe post a summary?
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Cherokee on June 15, 2016, 10:42:05 pm
Barons of industry are different than government control.

No regulatory government equals a free market.

The barons in a free market can fall when a better knife maker comes along.

Equal opportunity does not mean equal results. If one is not content with their status in the market place, that is potential motivation to do better.

Some may choose to work longer and harder while others may focus on quality, and yet others may rely on more creative or selective marketing.

A society can be equitable while not everyone is equal from an economical standpoint.

Everyone is equal as human beings and the right to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness.

When governments start issuing business licenses, they have placed a lien on the unalienable right to pursue happiness.

I could expound greatly on the ills of government interventions where there should be none.

Our current government claims we are a capitalistic society with free enterprise. Open a lemonade stand and see how quickly the government shuts you down.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 16, 2016, 05:12:49 am
Barons of industry are different than government control.

No regulatory government equals a free market.

The barons in a free market can fall when a better knife maker comes along.

Equal opportunity does not mean equal results. If one is not content with their status in the market place, that is potential motivation to do better.

Some may choose to work longer and harder while others may focus on quality, and yet others may rely on more creative or selective marketing.

A society can be equitable while not everyone is equal from an economical standpoint.

Everyone is equal as human beings and the right to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness.

When governments start issuing business licenses, they have placed a lien on the unalienable right to pursue happiness.

I could expound greatly on the ills of government interventions where there should be none.

Our current government claims we are a capitalistic society with free enterprise. Open a lemonade stand and see how quickly the government shuts you down.
I agree with everything you wrote. That is not the society that Baked is promoting though. His "oganization" is Communistic, not capitalist.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on June 16, 2016, 12:43:41 pm
Without the possibility for advancement and/or monetary gain, what would drive people in such an organization to move forward?
This is not true of all flat organizations, but in the organization that is coming together at present, there are no monetary impetum, at all. If one person benefits, so does everyone in the group. The primary impetus for advancement is to help your neo-tribal relations.

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Also, without money as a means for exchange/business, wouldn't something else just take it's place, therefore making that new thing/things the defacto "money"?

The only business will be the "market of the others" to borrow the term used by the Zapatistas. Internally, resources are shared, products are shared, and land is shared. The only thing that is not shared is housing and personal possessions. The market of the others is a requirement only because capitalism dominates the country and we have to pay property taxes and buy things we can't produce. However this arrangement is temporary. Once our organizations are able to provide for every need internally, we will not need money.

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For example, you manufacture knives. For you, those knives are money. If you make better knives than another cutler, your knives would demand more goods in exchange than the other guy's knives. So, how is that "cashless", how is that not capitalism, and how would such a society not create new barons of industry?

In our communities, I will give my labor to others, just as they will give their labor to me. I will be as rich as everyone else. And I don't mind it at all. If I created only for money, there would be no reason to create new things, only what sells out. Just one style, with no new challenges.


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Could you maybe post a summary?

We Leftists are notoriously long winded. Rather than me re-inventing the encyclopedia, I will recommend several books and videos.

Books:
Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution by Peter Kropotkin
The Communist Manifesto (only 40 pages, took me just 2 hours to read it) by Marx and Engels
Democratic Confederalism by Abdullah Occlan

Videos:
Anarcho-Syndicalist Organization
https://youtu.be/0RwlaNva_4g
(In my opinion, and this opinion is shared by many people, Pure by-the-book Anarcho-Communism can only be attained through Anarcho-Syndicalist organization, because there are no rulers, no hierarchy, and there is always the option to opt out. This is vastly different fro the State-Communist representative republic model which does not work.)
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Bill St. Clair on June 16, 2016, 01:24:34 pm
I wish you luck with your commune. As long as everybody in it is there voluntarily, I have no problem with it.

But I doubt it will last for very long. Lots of people tried this kind of thing back in the seventies. Very few lasted.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on June 16, 2016, 01:29:45 pm
I wish you luck with your commune. As long as everybody in it is there voluntarily, I have no problem with it.

But I doubt it will last for very long. Lots of people tried this kind of thing back in the seventies. Very few lasted.

The Israeli Kibbutzim are still around though.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Cherokee on June 16, 2016, 02:31:29 pm
I wish you luck with your commune. As long as everybody in it is there voluntarily, I have no problem with it.

But I doubt it will last for very long. Lots of people tried this kind of thing back in the seventies. Very few lasted.

The Israeli Kibbutzim are still around though.

I don't know anything about the Israeli Kit and Booty, or whatever you call it, but I would venture to say 100% agreement is highly unlikely,  and participation is likely not 100% voluntary.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 16, 2016, 02:38:44 pm
From each according to his ability... to each according to his need. Seems I heard of such a long time ago.  Don't think it worked too well. But good luck with it.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: FDD on June 16, 2016, 04:27:57 pm
From each according to his ability... to each according to his need. Seems I heard of such a long time ago.  Don't think it worked too well. But good luck with it.

wasn't that a motor company in WI?
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on June 16, 2016, 06:31:29 pm
I wish you luck with your commune. As long as everybody in it is there voluntarily, I have no problem with it.

But I doubt it will last for very long. Lots of people tried this kind of thing back in the seventies. Very few lasted.

The Israeli Kibbutzim are still around though.

I don't know anything about the Israeli Kit and Booty, or whatever you call it, but I would venture to say 100% agreement is highly unlikely,  and participation is likely not 100% voluntary.

Membership in a Kibbutz is voluntary. I know a guy who has been in two.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Cherokee on June 16, 2016, 06:52:34 pm
They must have been Utopias since he is still there...., oh wait. Maybe his third one will work out.

Couldn't help myself.  Please don't hurt me. :D
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Baked at 420 on June 16, 2016, 08:07:54 pm
They must have been Utopias since he is still there...., oh wait. Maybe his third one will work out.

Couldn't help myself.  Please don't hurt me. :D

He was in them over summers while in college. He was in college in Cairo, and would spend the summers in Israel. On his third visit he heard there was an opening and went and worked there. On his forth visit the one he had gone to before had no openings, so he went to another one. He had to come back to the US after school for family reasons, but he tells me he really enjoyed his time there, and he'd never met harder working people.
Title: Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
Post by: Cherokee on June 16, 2016, 11:58:21 pm
Here in the states, we call that summer camp.

Everyone works and plays the same.

On competition day, everyone gets a trophy.