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Title: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: heyoka on April 27, 2016, 09:50:21 am
was Eve framed :huh:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on April 27, 2016, 11:31:57 am
I voted yes, since she was enticed to do so.  I think that not being experienced in living in a world, naive, she was impressed with shallow logic that she could only understand.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 27, 2016, 11:36:56 am
Not enough data.  Is this a real person, or the fictional character in the bible, and elsewhere?
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on April 27, 2016, 12:25:49 pm
No additional information needed.  By just saying Eve, without any other clarification, one can assume the Bible.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 27, 2016, 12:30:58 pm
No additional information needed.  By just saying Eve, without any other clarification, one can assume the Bible.

A fictional character, OK. But heck, I've known several women named "Eve."
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: FDD on April 27, 2016, 01:15:54 pm
I say no, she was told what she could eat and what not to eat.
she know she was not to eat, but she did anyway.
ether we take responsibility for our action, or we don't.
if not then we can not be guilty of anything.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 27, 2016, 01:23:59 pm
ether we take responsibility for our action, or we don't.
if not then we can not be guilty of anything.

This obviously. :)
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on April 27, 2016, 01:32:49 pm
And what gave God the authority to tell Eve what she could not eat? He gave her free will, and then he tried to thwart it with arbitrary rules. Make up your mind, you not-quite-supreme Being, you. :)
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Scarmiglione' on April 27, 2016, 01:35:01 pm
Not framed, maybe entrapped.


A creator who knows everything you will do before you do it, then punishes you for doing *exactly* what he created you to do, knowing you would do it.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: heyoka on April 27, 2016, 01:48:38 pm
I've known several women named "Eve."
were any of 'em framed?
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 27, 2016, 01:58:30 pm
I've known several women named "Eve."
were any of 'em framed?

Actually yes. I worked with another nurse who was accused of wrongdoing. After careful investigation by the house supervisor and the DON, it was discovered that another nurse actually did the deed, then tried to make it look as if Eve had been responsible. Nasty business.

I don't believe the "creator" ever sets up this kind of no-win situation. But then, I don't believe the "bible" either.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 27, 2016, 02:31:13 pm
I voted WTF. That way, I can participate without participating. :threvil:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on April 27, 2016, 07:50:41 pm
She was blonde :thrbiggrin:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: FDD on April 28, 2016, 07:14:09 am
weather or not you believe the Bible.
The "Garden" was Gods property, so he could and did have rules within it.
one was what food Adam and Eve could eat.
the tree of good and evil was one of them that they could not eat from.
She knew this, not matter what the snake said, she knew not to eat from it, but did.
and to make matters worst so did Adam, and he also eat from the tree, knowing that it was wrong to do so.

She was not framed, she did so knowing it was wrong, but did it anyway.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: heyoka on April 28, 2016, 07:52:59 am
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcapblog.typepad.com%2Fphotos%2Funcategorized%2Fartejohnsonverrrryinteresting.jpg&f=1)
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: heyoka on April 28, 2016, 09:02:02 am
Not framed, maybe entrapped.
A creator who knows everything you will do before you do it, then punishes you for doing *exactly* what he created you to do, knowing you would do it.
Which is not so different from the way gubmint enforces a lot of mala prohibita, with double reverse stings and such.

I've known several women named "Eve."
were any of 'em framed?
Actually yes. I worked with another nurse who was accused of wrongdoing. After careful investigation by the house supervisor and the DON, it was discovered that another nurse actually did the deed, then tried to make it look as if Eve had been responsible. Nasty business.
Did she(?) have a special rapport with snakes?

I voted WTF. That way, I can participate without participating. :threvil:
Strategic, if maybe too clever by half. Thanks for participating.
thx to others too
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on May 01, 2016, 01:00:11 am
wonder how old she was when eating the forbidden fruit. . . . . a babe at 50 yrs. . . or midlife at 450 yrs?
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 01, 2016, 07:01:26 am
wonder how old she was when eating the forbidden fruit. . . . . a babe at 50 yrs. . . or midlife at 450 yrs?
Or is that moons? :laugh:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: heyoka on May 01, 2016, 09:07:52 am
maybe age degeneration started when they ate the apples :huh:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 01, 2016, 09:25:39 am
maybe age degeneration started when they ate the apples :huh:
Nah. Many people in the Bible lived way longer than is possible. It wasn't just the supposed first people. IMHO, either something was lost in translation (most probable), or there was alien DNA mixed with cro-magnon for the first two, and was genetically watered down over the years (least probable).

I think that the "moons" suggestion is possible. For example, Adam is stated to have lived 930 years. Using a "lunar month" in place of years would calculate to 75 years old. (29.53x930=27462.9/365=75.241) That seems more plausible.

Of course that doesn't always work. Moses is said to have lived 120 years. Using the same formula, that would make him only 9 1/2 when he died. :dontknow:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: heyoka on May 01, 2016, 09:45:16 am
Cab Calloway
It Ain't Necessarily So
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBOgH5f36cQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBOgH5f36cQ)
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 01, 2016, 09:51:17 am
Cab Calloway
It Ain't Necessarily So
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBOgH5f36cQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBOgH5f36cQ)
:laugh: That was great! :thumbsup:

To get into Hebben don' snap for a sebben
Live clean, don' have no fault
Oh I takes dat gospel whenever it's pos'ble
But wid a grain of salt
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: FDD on May 01, 2016, 12:49:06 pm
base on the book of Numbers, out of the Bible.
the age of people started to drop after the flood.
before the flood, age was several hundred years, after the flood, just under a hundred years.

maybe something happen that caused aging after the flood? 
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: heyoka on May 01, 2016, 01:07:14 pm
was it hot :huh:
Traveling Wilburys (their volume ll is worth a fortune)
Keep It In a Cool Dry Place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8mBMn5F5k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8mBMn5F5k)
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Cherokee on May 02, 2016, 11:04:49 pm
If she was framed, that implies she did nothing wrong, but was accused of wrong doing with false testimony to support the claim.

I suppose that is a possibility, but no version of the story portends she never sampled the forbidden fruit.

If God knows all, why would he punish an innocent person who was framed?

No, she was not framed. Was she deceived (tricked)? Yes.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: WAKING ENIGMA on May 06, 2016, 07:55:13 am
was Eve framed :huh:


Humanity was framed!
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: heyoka on May 06, 2016, 09:00:46 am
excellent point
welcome to the forum
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on May 06, 2016, 10:19:40 am
Genesis 6:3 - ". . . . My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

confusing because this is just before Noah, who lived over 600 years
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Cherokee on May 06, 2016, 02:36:09 pm
And what gave God the authority to tell Eve what she could not eat? He gave her free will, and then he tried to thwart it with arbitrary rules. Make up your mind, you not-quite-supreme Being, you. :)

God's intention is to test our resolve in finding our way back to him. Rather than forcing his will, He sets the parameters and punishments, and turns you loose. If you screw up, you pay the price. If you get it right, you reap the reward. One could argue that is still forcing his will, but He is giving each of us the opportunity to choose purity over evil. In His realm, evil is not an option.  If He ruled with an iron fist, your options would be revoked and your bacon fried. Sounds to me like He is extremely patient and loving to offer us so many chances to get it right instead of hammering us to the cross without hesitation. It's so much easier to reject than to understand. Ask anyone who has had a near death experience. I promise you, God does exist, and He loves you. He wants to reward you. His message makes it clear that He wants all to return to Him, but those who cannot live their lives for Him and those who reject Him, will not be allowed to return home. It's an easy concept, but a difficult task.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: WAKING ENIGMA on May 06, 2016, 02:45:32 pm
excellent point
welcome to the forum

Hey, hey.  Thanks for the welcome.

The "story" gets hinky straight away.

In all the land there were only the beasts(and that pesky evil snake :~) and Adam & Eve.
After Adam 'knew' :sex: Eve they begat Cain & Able.
After a time, Cain 'knew' his wife and begat Enoch.

Where did Cain get his wife from?  There is only one way, with/from Eve.

Enoch begat Irad, who begat Mehujael, and Mehujael begat Methushael,
and Methushael begat Lamech, etc.

Where did all of these other wives to 'know' and begat with come from?

So, either God introduced incest into the human plan and, like the apple, later
said 'NO, NO!' or there was some other 'immaculate' stuff going on that was
not noted in the book.

It only gets hinkier from there.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 06, 2016, 03:00:49 pm
 :lurk: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: WAKING ENIGMA on May 06, 2016, 03:15:05 pm
Noah, who lived over 600 years

In 600 years he didn't think to pen a note sharing where he left the arc?

Geeezzz, some people.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: FDD on May 06, 2016, 04:31:44 pm
Noah, who lived over 600 years

In 600 years he didn't think to pen a note sharing where he left the arc?

Geeezzz, some people.


the rabbits ate all the paper, so there was nothing to write on.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: WAKING ENIGMA on May 06, 2016, 05:46:14 pm
Noah, who lived over 600 years

In 600 years he didn't think to pen a note sharing where he left the arc?

Geeezzz, some people.


the rabbits ate all the paper, so there was nothing to write on.

See, there ya go.  I heard it was the goats.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Cherokee on May 06, 2016, 05:55:53 pm
I can appreciate the humorous jabs at the scriptures as there are many holes, but I can personally assure you there is a higher being and life after death. I know,  I know, I'm just another guy who makes the claims without the definitive evidence. I can only tell you,  I've personally witnessed the definitive evidence, as many others have. I can't answer why everyone does not have these experiences.I only have my experience as proof. Then again,  there is enough proof before all of us if we know how to look at it. It's somewhat frustrating to know a truth I can't prove. It feels a lot like being called a conspiracy nut job when you're actually a conspiracy realist.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on May 06, 2016, 06:13:26 pm
And what gave God the authority to tell Eve what she could not eat? He gave her free will, and then he tried to thwart it with arbitrary rules. Make up your mind, you not-quite-supreme Being, you. :)

God's intention is to test our resolve in finding our way back to him. Rather than forcing his will, He sets the parameters and punishments, and turns you loose. If you screw up, you pay the price. If you get it right, you reap the reward. One could argue that is still forcing his will, but He is giving each of us the opportunity to choose purity over evil. In His realm, evil is not an option.  If He ruled with an iron fist, your options would be revoked and your bacon fried. Sounds to me like He is extremely patient and loving to offer us so many chances to get it right instead of hammering us to the cross without hesitation. It's so much easier to reject than to understand. Ask anyone who has had a near death experience. I promise you, God does exist, and He loves you. He wants to reward you. His message makes it clear that He wants all to return to Him, but those who cannot live their lives for Him and those who reject Him, will not be allowed to return home. It's an easy concept, but a difficult task.

I think that a bunch more will understand in the next 7-10 years.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: FDD on May 06, 2016, 06:30:06 pm
I see it as this, if you can not laugh at yourself and have a little fun with it, then you are the problem.

It is good that you believe in it. and others may come to believe in it later.

but we do not know the whys and wherefores about what has happen, but from what is written down already, in fact no one can know for sure.

that is why it is called "Faith"
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on May 06, 2016, 06:33:52 pm
I think that we know how the book ends .. . . . and what will happen towards that end.  I just feel that it is near cuz most of the trumpets have sounded.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 06, 2016, 06:47:55 pm
Wow.....Just wow.....

(http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4398166.jpg)(https://onetimefortim.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/coolaid-bursting-through-the-wall-1754_preview.jpg?w=256&h=256)
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on May 06, 2016, 08:07:47 pm
Wow.....Just wow.....

(http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4398166.jpg)(https://onetimefortim.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/coolaid-bursting-through-the-wall-1754_preview.jpg?w=256&h=256)

Good one! . . . and no it doesn't bother me. :wub:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 06, 2016, 08:09:37 pm

Good one! . . . and no it doesn't bother me. :wub:
I'm glad. I wasn't trying to bother you. Just being my usual snarky self. Letting my thoughts be known without really saying them. :threvil:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: FDD on May 06, 2016, 08:09:47 pm
Wow.....Just wow.....

(http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4398166.jpg)(https://onetimefortim.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/coolaid-bursting-through-the-wall-1754_preview.jpg?w=256&h=256)

I like the purple cool-aid best
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 06, 2016, 08:10:33 pm

I like the purple cool-aid best
I like green. :mellow:
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: FDD on May 06, 2016, 08:11:45 pm
but we did not call it cool-aid, when I was growing up, it was bug juice.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Cherokee on May 07, 2016, 12:16:57 am
I see it as this, if you can not laugh at yourself and have a little fun with it, then you are the problem.

It is good that you believe in it. and others may come to believe in it later.

but we do not know the whys and wherefores about what has happen, but from what is written down already, in fact no one can know for sure.

that is why it is called "Faith"

If you want to know the why's and wherefores, "ask and you shall receive".

Much of my faith comes from a near death experience. There was nothing funny about it.

I can laugh at myself,  but I cannot laugh at or make a mockery of God.

I would rather YOU see me as the problem.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on May 07, 2016, 01:08:19 am
Noah, who lived over 600 years

In 600 years he didn't think to pen a note sharing where he left the arc?

Geeezzz, some people.


@ 600, dementia
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on May 07, 2016, 07:03:31 am
If you want to know the why's and wherefores, "ask and you shall receive".

Much of my faith comes from a near death experience. There was nothing funny about it.

I would love to hear the story. I work every day at convincing God to show Herself here in life. Sometimes She does. For a little while. I'm too impatient to wait for death. Death before death.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Cherokee on May 07, 2016, 02:41:13 pm
I wrote a book about it, but before I polished and published, my hard drive took a nose dive. I can recover an older, less polished draft, but I don't feel ready to re-work the draft. Someday,...maybe someday.
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Splash22 on May 10, 2016, 08:15:29 pm
Patty is driving around Boston very late for a meeting, but cannot find a parking spot...
He offers up a prayer
"Lord, I'm so damned late ..oops sorry..iffin ya find in Yer good heart ta find me a parkin' spot, I'll swear off the drink, I'll attend mass wi' me good wife Mary, and stop me swearin' "
Lo and behold a parking space opens up right before Patty's eyes!
"Ah here we go, never mind Lord, ah found one meself"

We don't believe Him when He does show up, & usually choose to take the credit ourselves.
faith isn't challenging God, it's believing w/o "proof", in the little miracles He gives us daily.

"Eve" was set up, as each time the snake appeared to tempt her, he did so as an angel claiming he had it straight from the Lord.
From the Forgotten books of the bible- according to Adam & Eve.
~S
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe005.htm
Title: Re: Was Eve Framed?
Post by: Jake on May 11, 2016, 12:42:28 am
"Eve" was set up, as each time the snake appeared to tempt her, he did so as an angel claiming he had it straight from the Lord.
From the Forgotten books of the bible- according to Adam & Eve.
~S
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe005.htm
Thank you, and great analogy using the parking prayer.