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Title: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: debra on March 16, 2006, 11:11:36 am
From FSP March Newsletter

AN ACT prohibiting New Hampshire from participating in a national identification card system passed after a vote 270-84 by the New Hampshire House.

House Bill 1582 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2006/HB1582.html) "The general court finds that the public policy established by Congress in the Real ID Act of 2005, Public Law 109-13, is contrary and repugnant to Articles 1 through 10 of the New Hampshire constitution as well as Amendments 4 though 10 of the Constitution for the United States of America. Therefore, the state of New Hampshire shall not participate in a national identification card system..."

The bill moves on to the NH Senate. Up to date discussion at NH Underground.

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Nice going, guys!  :mellow:
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Lightning on March 16, 2006, 11:48:12 am
Wow.  Cool.   :mellow:

Nice to see that they did it on principle, too, not just crying about "unfunded federal mandates."

I hope that this wasn't just a grandstanding move - that the NH Senate will also pass the bill.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Erin on March 16, 2006, 01:39:15 pm
It sure sounds like a little more than grandstanding, given the language of the bill, and the fact that it is a bill and not a resolution.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Bill St. Clair on March 16, 2006, 02:12:28 pm
I hope they follow through and pass it. And then follow through further and tell the feds that they won't get any more federal income tax from NH residents if they retaliate by taking away their federal highway money. I wish some state had done that when Jimmy Carter instituted the 55 MPH speed limit.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: penguinsscareme on March 16, 2006, 05:42:02 pm
Live free or die, motherf*cker.
Best news I've heard all day.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: debra on March 16, 2006, 05:44:36 pm
Live free or die, motherf*cker.

Now THERE'S a sig line!
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: lewlew on March 16, 2006, 05:59:26 pm
This is the best news I've heard in quite some time!!!  I hope this passes the NH Senate and lights a fire under other states' asses.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: penguinsscareme on March 16, 2006, 06:03:40 pm
Live free or die, motherf*cker.

Now THERE'S a sig line!
I said that to a company psychologist once -- I was escorted off the premises by MP-5 totin' security guards [fired, in other words] the same day; the psychologist actually asked me if I meant it as a threat!
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: purple kitty on March 16, 2006, 06:06:40 pm
Great! Now they need to quit requiring proof of social security for their driver's licenses.

Live free or die, motherf*cker.

Now THERE'S a sig line!
I said that to a company psychologist once -- I was escorted off the premises by MP-5 totin' security guards [fired, in other words] the same day; the psychologist actually asked me if I meant it as a threat!
Ooh! Great story! I should try that some time! No one would expect something like that from me! (note: I just got finished watching Firefly/Serenity so I'm in a rather rebellious mood.)
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: AnotherArmchair on March 20, 2006, 07:53:17 am
This is the best news I've heard in quite some time!!!  I hope this passes the NH Senate and lights a fire under other states' asses.   :thumbsup:

I'm with you, but it's not bloody likely. Here in Ohio, the governor's backing a bill that would allow the police to arrest anyone who declines to provide ID on request at any time for any reason, and has promised to veto legislation cleaning up CCW in cars.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: PintofStout on March 20, 2006, 10:01:24 am
I'm convinced Ohio is the Fourth Reich, I can't wait to leave.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: dgg9 on March 20, 2006, 10:05:08 am
I'm convinced Ohio is the Fourth Reich, I can't wait to leave.

Ohio is a strange state.  I lived in Toledo for about a half a year.  The state is a mix of old school conservatives and outright socialists.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on March 21, 2006, 12:43:10 am
I'm convinced Ohio is the Fourth Reich, I can't wait to leave.

On all of my earlier travels across the country,  Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois were just places to get past.  Things really tended to open up once you got past St. Louis...

The next trip we take out west (I've no idea when,  but it'll happen sometime),  we're probably gonna take a somewhat more southerly route,  and avoid those states altogether,  I think.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 21, 2006, 04:03:27 am
Roy,

I'll agree about those states, and can only wonder if these states "are" the way they are because all three are rapidly dying industrial centers and they've got to keep all those factory rats under control
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: PintofStout on March 21, 2006, 07:45:48 am
That may be the case in Youngstown.  It's an aging city and most of the inhabitants are part of "greatest generation" (I hate that phrase, BTW) or were big union guys in the steel industry.  They still believe everybody owes them something.  While their whole lives they depended on government or outright crooks in the union to help them survive and still rely on them for their future.

Between Youngstown and Pittsburgh, they keep having disasterous social programs and government-funded development that never work and just keep asking for more of the same.  I live in a black hole of stupidity.


Edited to add: One more post to get to 100 posts!
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Quackenstein on March 21, 2006, 06:22:30 pm
I lived in Cincinnati for about, oh, 3 or 4 hundred years and that place is definitely schizophrenic! The county government is uber-conservative (As in Sheriff Simon Leis of People vs Larry Flynt and Mapplethorpe fame), while the city hierarchy is just slightly left of Lenin. This makes for some interesting infighting in the area...for about 30 seconds, then you start to fantasize about hermetically sealing any building with a politician or a lawyer in it. It's amazing the palpable difference in atmosphere you find by crossing the bridge into Kentucky, something I did as often as possible until I finally stopped going back. Now that I live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, I notice the same sharply defined attitude change at the NH border. The only thing that keeps me from joining the FSP is that I'm afraid that NH may not be far enough to go for safety sake and I have people in Alaska. NH may be in my immediate future but not long term. I intend to really bugout!

Quackenstein
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: linuxfan on March 22, 2006, 09:36:57 pm
i'm a total southern and western snob, but this might get me to join FSP and move out there, if the Senate passes it
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Quackenstein on March 22, 2006, 10:43:14 pm
Way back when, I was born in Massachusetts and by a not so simple twist of fate I spent my senior year here. That's when I met what was to be my life-long best friend. 20 years of correspondence and commiseration across the miles only cemented our bond. When circumstances freed me from certain obligations in KY I jumped at the chance to come up here and get reacquainted with him and some of my extended family. As it turns out, I get along with his family as well as I do with him and now I'm practically kin to them. I swear that the fact that they own a 53 acre pig & sheep farm just this side of the NH border was not a factor in the decision...but it doesn't suck either. In case of a quick meltdown, I've got somewhere to jump to.

Quackenstein
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Quackenstein on March 25, 2006, 10:00:33 pm
Furthermore, Massachusetts is not so pervasively liberal as it's made out to be. It's overall political views are skewed by the massive urban center of Boston. As a large city in a small state, it tends to dominate any democratic system. Also, there are many, many colleges in the state, which draw students from around the nation and the world. College students seem to have a slight inclination to the left, wouldn't you say. I guess it's kind of like a Socialist State Project, drawing leftists from everywhere to affect politics at a local level.
I live in the Worcester area and spend most of my time in the north central part of the state. Up there, one of the worst names you can call a person is 'Kennedy'.

Quackenstein
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 26, 2006, 11:04:28 pm
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It's overall political views are skewed by the massive urban center of Boston.

Illinois is afflicted in the same manner via Chicago, where the people are REALLY politically active and everybody is encouraged to vote......several times in fact....and that means everybody....including the dead.....
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on March 26, 2006, 11:12:54 pm
Furthermore, Massachusetts is not so pervasively liberal as it's made out to be. It's overall political views are skewed by the massive urban center of Boston. As a large city in a small state, it tends to dominate any democratic system. Also, there are many, many colleges in the state, which draw students from around the nation and the world. College students seem to have a slight inclination to the left, wouldn't you say. I guess it's kind of like a Socialist State Project, drawing leftists from everywhere to affect politics at a local level.
I live in the Worcester area and spend most of my time in the north central part of the state. Up there, one of the worst names you can call a person is 'Kennedy'.

Quackenstein

One of my earliest memories of having a good time with a young lady was in that town,  or around there someplace.  It involved a perfectly horrid car trip for what seemed like forever,  with my supposed stepfather (though he never was as far as I was concerned) who was also a perfectly horrid person.

The young lady in question had long blonde hair,  and a last name that didn't seem to have enough vowels in it,  or something,  and she and I had a *good* time.

*ah*,  memories...

(/hijack)
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on March 26, 2006, 11:14:51 pm
Quote
It's overall political views are skewed by the massive urban center of Boston.

Illinois is afflicted in the same manner via Chicago, where the people are REALLY politically active and everybody is encouraged to vote......several times in fact....and that means everybody....including the dead.....

I've heard that about that town...

PA has both Philly and Pittsburgh,  so I guess you could say we're gettin' it from both ends.  :-)  There are other "cities" in the state, but they aren't anything like those two,  by comparison,  and don't amount to much.  Harrisburg is a freakin' joke.  Dunno if they get into that dead people thing,  though.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Vydunas on April 02, 2006, 03:23:19 pm
That may be the case in Youngstown.  It's an aging city and most of the inhabitants are part of "greatest generation" (I hate that phrase, BTW) or were big union guys in the steel industry.  They still believe everybody owes them something.  While their whole lives they depended on government or outright crooks in the union to help them survive and still rely on them for their future.

Yeah, that's about right. And the USWA is still infested with outright commies (People forget that Gus Hall got his start there), and is "a contiunuation of high school by other means". The whole Valley is a pit of cheesesuckery.

As for the rest of the state, well, it's where I've made my stand, for better or worse. If the 'Pugs weren't so corrupt and the ballots so screwed here, it would be possible to give them some Libertarian competition (as in Indiana) and keep them reasonably straight.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Lightning on May 09, 2006, 08:14:03 am
Update:  Well, according to Bill St. Clair's blog (http://billstclair.com/blog/), the N.H. Senate has amended the House's version of the bill...so they can "explore" the idea of ID...

http://billstclair.com/blog/new_hampshire_says_maybe_to_real_id.html#comment-886

It figures.   :angry:  B*st*rds.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Bill St. Clair on May 09, 2006, 10:00:31 am
And (thank you to the commentor on my blog entry) there's another bill that might sneak the New Hampshire REAL ID ban past the Senate, along with kicking FEMA out of the state.

http://freestateblogs.net/node/467
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Rawbee on November 11, 2008, 11:26:01 pm
Whatever happened with this? You can tell I'm a newbie gleaning as much info. as I can get from these posts.

Thanks!
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Junker on November 12, 2008, 03:54:03 am
By google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=HB1582&as_epq=new+hampshire), I think he's got it.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Bill St. Clair on November 12, 2008, 05:44:22 am
HB1582's docket (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/bill_docket.aspx?lsr=2986&sy=2006&sortoption=billnumber&txtsessionyear=2006&txtbillnumber=hb1582) shows that the NH Senate passed a modified version of the bill, the House requested a committee of conference, and the Senate refused. So the bill died.
Title: Re: NH House passes act prohibiting participation in NID
Post by: Nomads2 on November 14, 2008, 05:30:55 pm
Here's a link to a map showing where all the states stand in terms of real ID:

http://www.realnightmare.org/news/105/