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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2004, 01:42:02 am »

Let's hope that RFID's don't get attached to every product. The potential for abuse is great.
From my own investigation of them as they relate to labels and tags, it appears that they will NOT permeate down to cornflakes and eggcartons because of the cost, especially when inexpensive barcodes work quite well.
While I don't like my individual purchases tracked by Safeway with their "ClubCard" and I don't really like Fedex having my entire shipment history in their computer banks, what really gets me about RFID's is how easy they will make the transfer of information which we KNOW will reach the government.
For my part, I won't be making labels or tags with them.
But others will.
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2004, 05:21:26 am »

Collect them. Buy them, if possible. Take lots of them with you. All of you, at any time, especially when you're out. Let the system collect data garbage and let their system be clogged with useless information. Stick to non-at-all-electronic harware concerning weapons, of course. Cast your own bullets if necessary. But carry as many RFID chips with you as possible. I bet my last year's income tax that faked RFID chips will be available only wekks after the real ones are generally accepted. Get fakes, drop them in the shops, in the streets, in the parks, in parking lots, put them into helium-filled balloons and let them fly all over the country. Mix them with glue and mark civil patrol cars with them. Or any other JBT car. Drop them in planes, from planes, whatever. Drop them in buses, trains, subways. Mark cops with them or EPA officials or whatever statists you can get hold of. Let all detectors detect a lot of BS everywhere. Get gun chips and glue them under your soles when you have to enter some public service office. The gun detector will beep and they can't find a gun. Hell, YOU didn't see that lil thing where you stepped on. Dunno where I got that tag, officer...

Seems to open a real can of fun worms for creative abuse...
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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2004, 05:39:58 pm »

Or just build a transmitter to spoof valid ID tages .... if it is powerful enough, it can drown out existing tags ... or produce the radio equivalent of Active Noise Reduction .... you know, those headsets that reduce noise by emitting cancelling soundwaves.

Heh..... opportunities abound for theives .... big ticket items will seem to respond as bulky inexpensive stuff.

Want to frame a cop? Get his pistol to respond to an ID request, by walking past him with detection gear,  then spoof its ID when you pull some Simon Jester prank.....

 
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2004, 06:59:29 pm »

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Or if you improperly dispose of certain products, those products could be tracked back to you so your could be fined or imprisoned.
There's a story there somewhere.

"Yes officer, I cannot tell a lie. I put that RFID tag underneath that pile of garbage"

(With apologies to Arlo Guthrie)
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2004, 12:37:14 pm »

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...BAGOA6HC5H1.DTL
"Library officials will seek about $300,000 in the city's 2004-05 budget to begin the program, which could take at least six years to fully implement and ultimately cost millions of dollars."

Money is no object when it isn't yours.  These will only be readable from a few feet.  My idea would be to switch the tags from other books and make that money well spent.

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« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2004, 01:19:50 pm »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...70&in_a_source=
An article about some backlash, but in it you will find out just what is planned from shelf to checkout. Smile for your razor- Snap!

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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2004, 02:41:54 pm »

And now, through the miracle of RFID, you too can be your own credit card.
Barcelona party crowd gets chiped
Yikes... sounds like evolution in action.
 
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2004, 07:40:01 pm »

Yeah, ya know you'd really have to have some synapses misfiring in your brain to get chipped to go to the bar.  I'd like to meet these people just to see if they really are human. lol.  Baja Beach Club, sounds like a pretty lame place anyway.

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/bus...ogy/8649849.htm
more about it's potential

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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2004, 10:16:57 pm »

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Baja Beach Club, sounds like a pretty lame place anyway.

 
I'm not a bar person myself... more suited to the Diogenees Club than the Baja Beach club.
 
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2004, 02:56:43 pm »

Walmart update.

Replacing Barcodes with RFID tests well:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040518/.../D82L78MO0.html

Walmart has the bucks and will make it happen.  Poor Sam is rolling in his grave.  Once they get into the game watch places like Target follow suit.  After that, everyone comes online.  Ma and Pa will still be an option if they are still in business.

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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2004, 09:24:19 am »

http://networks.silicon.com/lans/0,3902466...39121103,00.htm

"Supermarkets are certainly leading from the front in RFID adoption."

Costs are coming down here comes "safer" cheerios.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2004, 12:59:37 pm »

http://www.zebra.com/cpgn/gg/rfid.htm
http://www.rfid.zebra.com/

Zebra was the first company to introduce an RFID printer/encoder that programs an RFID chip embedded in a smart label, then automatically prints text, graphics, and barcodes on the label surface.

Program, then print em up.  Instant connectivity.  Get yourself a little reader and you've got a setup.

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« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2004, 03:43:27 pm »

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Walmart update.

Replacing Barcodes with RFID tests well:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040518/.../D82L78MO0.html

Walmart has the bucks and will make it happen.  Poor Sam is rolling in his grave.  Once they get into the game watch places like Target follow suit.  After that, everyone comes online.  Ma and Pa will still be an option if they are still in business.

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My husband works for a company that sells to walmart. The company he works for sells food products. His boss is going to a conference on rfid in a couple of weeks and my husband will be having a session on them at a conference he is going to in a few weeks. They are putting them on pallets to start.

Walmart has made them change software before, and of course when they changed for walmart,  they want other companies they sell to to change so it is all on the same system. It trickles down on everyone else.  
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« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2004, 05:49:09 pm »

This is pretty funny...   While I'm reading this thread an email hits my system that has the subject line of "Local RFID Conference Opportunity"!

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Dear Roy J.,

Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) opportunities are happening now....Opportunities to apply this exciting new wireless technology in multiple, high impact ways for your enterprise or your customer...to integrate this functionality into value added business solutions...to learn more about RFID players, performance characteristics and marketplace possibilities, both in government and the private sector.
 
And the Information Technology Association of America (ITAA) is delivering these opportunities to you in a concise, information-packed, affordable program that can speed you into the game.

Announcing the ITAA RFID Forum, June 15, 2004, J.W. Marriott Hotel in Washington DC.

This is the three-quarter day program especially designed for:

Business development executives
Agency program managers
Logistics and supply chain specialists
Government affairs professionals
Security managers
 
Learn from seasoned practitioners about major RFID programs in government and industry, build partnerships, understand the public policy climate--find the practical, productive answers to RFID deployments.
 
Register for this event at
http://brainbench.2.ed10.net/ud/B54RFB/EE2...2/KF5/FW/IY3H0U

Sorta reinforces some of what we're talking about here,  eh?  I especially that part about "business AND government"!
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2004, 06:40:54 pm »

I want to start a disabling or hacking RFID conference.  Anybody feel the same.  Would be much more productive.  I'll have to read that invite more closely but it almost sounds like a pyramid scheme.  RFID is hip now ya know.

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