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NuclearDruid

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Hope for us yet
« on: January 31, 2007, 10:29:49 am »
I just finished reading Claire's blog entry and it dovetails nicely with a book that I just finished yesterday. It was a 1972 reprint of The Ponca Chiefs by Thomas Henry Tibbles. It a wonderful narative on the trial of Standing Bull in 1879. I happened to be at the university library pulling some books on the Seminoles when I happened to scan the nearby shelves (as I am wont to do) and found this one. It had never been checked out in it's 35 years of sitting on the shelf, so it just screamed at me to be read.

Anyway, it deals with Habeas Corpus, and is the first time that the Government recognized Indians as persons. It has it all; a military general that was "just following orders", several corrupt BIA bureaucrats, a judge with a firm understanding of a Constitution, a newspaper editor that understands why a free press exists, and an Indian chief with incredible insight.

The reason this pertains to the Gitmo detainees is in his rulling Judge Dundy declares that Habeas Corpus applies to all persons and is not limited to citizens and that even when a detained person is under control of the military he still has recourse through the judicial systems.

For a quick synopsis of the case you can check out this article from the Nebraska Bar (pdf) but if anyone else finds this book in their library I would recommend that you check it out.

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Re: Hope for us yet
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2007, 11:27:24 am »
My library doesn't have it, alas. But when I searched on "ponca chiefs" I did turn up a videocassette called "The Trial of Standing Bear." Might also try to get the book you mention through inter-library loan.

Too bad the lesson about habeas corpus is one we have to learn over and over and over.
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Re: Hope for us yet
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2007, 12:02:17 pm »
The Ponca Chiefs is available through Claire's store, but it's running at about $84 for the original.  There's another version called Standing Bear and the Ponca Chiefs that is a much more reasonable $14.  Both are authored or co-authored by Mr. Tibbles.
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Re: Hope for us yet
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2007, 04:32:54 am »
Quote from: Thunder on January 31, 2007, 12:02:17 pm
The Ponca Chiefs is available through Claire's store, but it's running at about $84 for the original.  There's another version called Standing Bear and the Ponca Chiefs that is a much more reasonable $14.  Both are authored or co-authored by Mr. Tibbles.


Grumble Grumble, always adding to my reading list. Columbus Public has one copy of Standing Bear and the Ponca chiefs of which I am now #1 on the reserve list. It states on the "Full Description" (highlight in red is mine)
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Author:  Tibbles, Thomas Henry, 1840-1928.
Title:  Standing Bear and the Ponca chiefs /
Publishing Information:  Lincoln : University of Nebraska Press, 1995.
Physical Description:  xiii, 143 p. ; 21 cm.
Uniform Title:  Ponca chiefs
Alternate Title:  Standing Bear & the Ponca chiefs
General Notes:  "Bison books"--Spine.
Originally published: Ponca chiefs. Boston : Lockwood, Brooks, 1880.
Includes bibliographical references.
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Additional Author:  Graber, Kay, 1938-


Quote from: Claire on January 31, 2007, 11:27:24 am
My library doesn't have it, alas. But when I searched on "ponca chiefs" I did turn up a videocassette called "The Trial of Standing Bear." Might also try to get the book you mention through inter-library loan.

Too bad the lesson about habeas corpus is one we have to learn over and over and over.
I see that video was narrated by William Shatner.
I do see many copies of the book on OCLC WorldCat avalilable for inter-library loan.
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Re: Hope for us yet
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2007, 07:18:13 pm »
I found the book, but unfortunately it's  considered a reference book in the history section and can't be checked out. Looks like I'll be spending a bit of time there.
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Re: Hope for us yet
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2007, 09:34:48 pm »
Will Grigg  used the stories of Chief Standing Bear and Chief Big Snake  to very good effect in his three-part blog topic "Opening the Gates of the Gulag"  on his Pro Liberte website. You might like to read that if you are already impressed with the Ponca chiefs (mid-Nov.):   http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html
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Re: Hope for us yet
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2011, 04:10:36 pm »
Modified to fix broken link in initial post.

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Re: Hope for us yet
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2011, 12:18:12 am »
Having read this thread for the first time, I found it on Google Books and Amazon.
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