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Author Topic: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?  (Read 10606 times)

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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2007, 06:21:33 am »

FOX SUCKS.

Anybody that cancels Firefly sucks big green donkey dicks with warts with hairs coming out of them.

There.
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2007, 09:02:46 am »

Didn't they drop Stargate SG1 after a few seasons?  And then the Sci Fi Channel got 8 more seasons out of it! Great ones at that. Yeah, Fox is a waste of good airwaves.
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2007, 05:53:45 pm »

FOX SUCKS.

Anybody that cancels Firefly sucks big green donkey dicks with warts with hairs coming out of them.

There.

I'm sure there are a few big green donkeys that would be offended by this...
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2007, 03:48:18 pm »

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I'm sure there are a few big green donkeys that would be offended by this...


*Token politically correct post*

I apologize to any big green donkeys who were offended while Fox was sucking.   ^_^ :laugh:
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2007, 04:12:19 pm »

 :laugh:
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2007, 04:58:23 pm »

Didn't they drop Stargate SG1 after a few seasons?  And then the Sci Fi Channel got 8 more seasons out of it! Great ones at that. Yeah, Fox is a waste of good airwaves.

To the best of my knowledge, Stargate SG1 was never on Fox.  As far as I know, it was originally a Sci-Fi show that was syndicated.  It aired locally on UPN (prior to their merge with the WB) and still airs (a season behind) on the local station that replaced UPN.
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2007, 05:46:35 pm »


Stargate was originally produced by and aired on Showtime. They did the first five seasons.

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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2007, 07:37:38 pm »

Well, just shows what I know... Dare2 the resident SG1 expert confirms, I am wrong. But then I went from 1998 to 2005 with no tv reception whatsoever. I never can get the entertainment "piece of pie" in trivial pursuit either.
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2007, 08:05:45 pm »

FOX SUCKS.

Anybody that cancels Firefly sucks big green donkey dicks with warts with hairs coming out of them.

There.

I'm sure there are a few big green donkeys that would be offended by this...


....and you are their keeper, or what?
Are you asking if he's their pimp? Freak...
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2007, 09:12:33 pm »

The formula was changed because Fox wouldn't take the 2nd season if they stuck with the same thing.  If you'll remember, the first season was very anti-authoritarian and the bad guys were very human.  In the 2nd season, the anti-authoritarianism was toned way down (still there, but harder to see) and the bad guys were played off as inhuman monsters, even though they were straight up humans with no real genetic mods. 



I didn't know that's why they changed it, but that makes sense, they were very anti-gov't the first season. I was actually surprised a show like that was allowed on the air, still am. Maybe they should've said fk you to fox and maybe WB or UPN at the time might have picked the show up. They also changed the premise of how and why they were created going from secret gov't experiment to breeding cults, etc.
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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2007, 09:18:25 pm »

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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2007, 05:47:24 pm »


I see no 'fascination'. The rape scene from Deliverance has entered the pop-culture lexicon and is therefore used as shorthand in conversation and jokes.

As a movie, Deliverance is excellent. It's well written, powerfully directed, and ably acted by the entire cast. Boorman and Dickey managed to make an even handed examination of violence and retribution that chooses no sides and takes no easy way out.

Midnight, I agree with George. I see no fascination. I do see a lot of people considering Deliverance a modern classic film. And from what I remember (not having seen it since it was in theaters), I'd agree with that -- and with Gloryroad's precis of the movie's virtues.

I'm guessing when you say "trash" you're referring to the famous "squeal like a pig" rape scene. I know that "trash" is in the eye of the beholder, but in context, I recall that scene as an integral part of the movie's exploration of both physical and psychological horror.

People tend not to mention the movie's other most-famous scene: "Dueling banjos" -- which is the scene that most stands out in my memory and establishes that what lies ahead is going to be beautiful, bizarre, and creepy all at once.

Dismissing a movie you haven't seen as "trash" at first makes me bristle. But I know I've done the same thing -- refusing to see a film because of some actor or some premise I didn't like. Making judgements about it based on what I've heard. And sometimes discovering later that I was right.

OTOH, several times I've seen movies I might have dismissed as trashy or just plain uninteresting and absolutely loved them. Drugstore Cowboy comes to mind. Go see a film focused on drug addicts who rob drug stores? Eew, yuch. But it's a damn good film that I've watched three times. It happens.

Now I'm off to see if Netflix has Deliverance. Time to watch it again and see if it's held up after all these years.

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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2007, 05:51:22 pm »

Heck, they may have it viewable online before long, if not already.
I found Freedom to Fascism available that way.

If I refused to watch a movie based on a name or involved actor, I might have missed Shooter (though I did like the book better),
and might have skipped Firefly/Serenity due to an actor I'd thought was a Baldwin Brother.

I'm quite glad I went ahead and watched 'em anyway.

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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2007, 06:02:54 pm »


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OTOH, several times I've seen movies I might have dismissed as trashy or just plain uninteresting and absolutely loved them. Drugstore Cowboy comes to mind. Go see a film focused on drug addicts who rob drug stores? Eew, yuch. But it's a damn good film that I've watched three times. It happens.

Thanks for bringing this up, Claire -- as I've been meaning to mention my belief that Drugstore Cowboy was a thematic and technical influence on Firefly. Both films concern an outside the law, jury rigged 'family' relentlessly wandering a world that has no use for them. The Drug War functions in DC just as the Unification War in Firefly: an outside catastrophe that serves to sever the main characters ties to society-at-large. In both cases, the resorting to crime is not excused, it is merely examined matter of factly.

On a technical level, Rober Yeoman's brilliant use of hand-held cameras and -- especially -- contrasting soft and hard focus lighting to underscore moods and mindset must have influenced David Boyd's similar technique in Firefly.

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Re: What's the fascination with Deliverance and other trash?
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2007, 03:30:07 pm »

On a technical level, Rober Yeoman's brilliant use of hand-held cameras and -- especially -- contrasting soft and hard focus lighting to underscore moods and mindset must have influenced David Boyd's similar technique in Firefly.

Now that you mention the similarities, Gloryroad, I can see them. But the two works are so different, I'd never otherwise have made the connection.

And  :laugh: I also see I'm going to have to take a far-distant second to you in film snobbery.


BTW, Midnight ... I watched Deliverance over the weekend. To my surprise it's held up very well and is almost as powerful as when it first hit theaters. Beautifully made film made despite incredibly tough shooting, long odds, and no insurance. (The four stars, director, cameramen, and a few techs spent days at a time alone on the river, far from any help. And the stars did all, or nearly all, of their own very perilous action scenes; no insurance company would touch that job!)

Only thing trashy about it was that the DVD Netflix sent was .... ARRRRRGH!!!! pan and scan. I almost didn't watch it. That's a terrible thing to do to any film, but especially one as panoramic as this one.
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