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Basil Fishbone

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Montana Ron Paul activists target RINOs
« on: March 06, 2008, 11:07:12 am »

 
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/03/06/news/state/40-gop.txt

GOP right targets 'socialist' Republican state lawmakers

By CHARLES S. JOHNSON
The Gazette State Bureau
HELENA - One of the Legislature's most conservative members is trying to
recruit challengers to run in certain legislative primaries to purge the
Republican Party of what he calls 14 "socialist incumbent Republicans."

Rep. Roger Koopman, R-Bozeman, said he wants to help oust those
Republicans "who have consistently sold out the cause of liberty in the
Montana Legislature." He wants to return the GOP to "its low-tax,
limited-government, free-market roots."

Assisting Koopman is David Hart, state coordinator for Republican Ron Paul's
presidential campaign in Montana, who, via e-mail, urged Paul's "Montana
Freedom Fighters" to help recruit candidates. ...<snip>...
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Re: Montana Ron Paul activists target RINOs
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 11:46:44 am »

Funny since the GOP has never been about "its low-tax,
limited-government, free-market roots."
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Re: Montana Ron Paul activists target RINOs
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2008, 07:05:17 pm »

Funny since the GOP has never been about "its low-tax,
limited-government, free-market roots."


Well, not since Goldwater, anyway. The RonPaulicans' plan is to resurrect that concept, which sounds like a great idea to me.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2008, 10:20:24 am »

Funny since the GOP has never been about "its low-tax,
limited-government, free-market roots."


Well, not since Goldwater, anyway. The RonPaulicans' plan is to resurrect that concept, which sounds like a great idea to me.

Well, that's right FT.  It may be difficult for younger folks today to see this in today's 'isle crossing' and compromising of PRINCIPLES. 

Goldwater was one of the last of a breed.  Reagan was the last one to actually reduce taxes and after that, it's been a series of spendaholic screwups.  Can you imagine if Goldwater had been elected?  We would not have seen the GREAT SOCIETY with all the welfare earmarks and that means Medicare/Medicaid (Teddy Kennedy) would either not exist or have been greatly reduced in scope. 

And lets not forget that Socialism really took root with FDR's policies.  Oy.

And the VN war?  Goldwater would likely have left (would have been difficult as JFK/LBJ had us in deep) or kicked ass hard and fast and gotten it DONE in short order, rather than taking Johnson's approach of 'bombing North Vietnam into oblivion'.  It was a DEM that got us into it beyond just an adviser/observer role (JFK) and a DEM that ramped it up in 1965 (LBJ)  And how could we forget GCA'68 put together by a Dem congress (Championed by T.J. Dodd) and signed by LBJ?

While the Repubs are certainly not angels (especially so as of late), the Dems have done more damage to our pocketbooks through taxpayer funded social programs (now 80% of the Fed budget) and killed more liberties with the Nazi patterned GCA68.  (See JPFO website for more)  Although the Repubs of late have brought us DHS :angry:, and the vaunted and unconstitutional Patriot Act :angry:, they have REDUCED taxes from the CLINTON years where they were RAISED in the early 90's.

It's Repubs with the tendancy to spend like Socialists and remove liberties in the name of the war on terror that need to be removed from office if they can be replaced by individuals that have more respect for our stolen tax money (if that's possible) and our God given liberties.  These individuals could be Republican, Constitution Party or Libertarian.  Certainly not socialist oriented Dems.

Do not misunderstand my comments.  I am NOT defending Repubs here, just summarizing some observations and noting the trend towards socialism in so-called Repubs that so angers folks that believe in small government and the free market.  If the Repub party is to actually be an alternative to socialist dems (I have my doubts), it will have to return to it's conservative roots.  Otherwise it will not be as strong as it could be because the 'small gov/free market' types (like me) will continue to migrate to the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party.  That's the motivational force propelling these folks in MT.  In Western parlance, they want cull the herd of the big gov/socialist/anti-liberty types.

Just my .02
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Re: Montana Ron Paul activists target RINOs
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2008, 11:15:53 am »

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Although the Repubs of late have brought us DHS , and the vaunted and unconstitutional Patriot Act , they have REDUCED taxes from the CLINTON years where they were RAISED in the early 90's.

So in a republican utopia there would be no taxes and everyone would be in prison?

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 11:50:57 am »

Wha, ha, ha, ha, ha.  A republican utopia? :laugh:  Ummmm, that IS an oxymoron.

I don't get where you thought I inferred everyone would be in prison?   Certainly had no intention of implying such.  Or maybe you were just joking?

However, however, however, the way things are going right now, it's not inconceivable that it won't be too long before we ARE all considered criminals.  The Patriot Act/DHS and the other alphabets are seeing to that. :rolleyes:  Lots of threads on that running around.
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Re: Montana Ron Paul activists target RINOs
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 11:52:12 pm »

Well it's just that you were bitching so hard about taxes and those rotten assed demorats.....figured maybe you see the republicans as a lesser evil.......

Is that the case?
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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.

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Re: Montana Ron Paul activists target RINOs
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2008, 02:06:56 am »

I probably don't need to say it, but I'll say it anyways:

If you choose the lesser of two evils, you still get evil.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 07:38:20 pm »

Zoot, call it what you will, I was simply stating some oft overlooked facts. 

Other than anarchy (which is not realistic IMO), and no viable Libertarian or Constitution party candidate, there is little else available, unless one would prefer the greater evil of the current candidates in the several states.  Granted, the apparent POTUS selection is pathetic  :thrbarf:, but unless RP comes back (most unlikely), what else is there to do but make a choice for the closest (sigh) to Libertarian/Constitutional values? 

FWIW, I have supported RP with what little funds were available and discussed his virtues with possible supporters.  I believe we made great strides (still a loooong way to go) in opening folks minds to returning us to a Constitutional/Liberty oriented, smaller government.  Will it stick?  Only time will tell.  Unfortunately, we live in a land of sheople more interested in suckling the .gov teat and they will vote selfishly rather than in principle.  It's gonna be difficult to right the ship, -if we can.

More specifically to the thread:
I believe the folks in Montana that are targeting RINOs are doing the right thing in this regard, if for no other reason to make sure these RINO's don't get a 'free ride' to conduct themselves in an anti-Liberty manner and with the brazenly open increasingly liberal Repub machine.  We have to fight back politically or the ship WILL have no chance of being righted.

What tact would you suggest Zoot?  I'm certainly open to ideas that will promote liberty.
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Re: Montana Ron Paul activists target RINOs
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 09:58:09 pm »

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We have to fight back politically or the ship WILL have no chance of being righted.

I junked my last car because the tires were getting bald......it was really a great car but it was old.....and had rust growing on it, and the front end was getting loose.....and some of the electronics didn't work anymore....

Woulda' only costed a couple hundred bucks for new tires.....but then I'd have this rusty old car with new tires on it....the front end would still be loose and the electronics still wouldn't work.....but it woulda' got me where I wanted to go.............. for a while anyways.....


Tell ya' what there Bobcat.......you keep trying to patch holes in that ship......but you better work hard and fast because the rats don't want to swim..........

There's nothing on that ship that I want or need.....and I certainly don't want or need rats........

What's on that ship that you want or need so much, that you'll spend your life fighting the rats for it?

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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.
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