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CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« on: March 28, 2008, 01:22:17 am »

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=031720

CIA role claim in Kennedy killing

New video and photographic evidence that puts three senior CIA operatives at the scene of Robert Kennedy's assassination has been brought to light.

Robert Kennedy
The evidence is a result of a three year investigation

The evidence was shown in a report by Shane O'Sullivan, broadcast on BBC Newsnight.

It reveals that the operatives and four unidentified associates were at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles in the moments before and after the shooting on 5 June, 1968.

The CIA had no domestic jurisdiction and some of the officers were based in South-East Asia at the time, with no reason to be in Los Angeles. ...<snip>
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2008, 06:15:53 am »

     There are some anomalies here.

     Texas Attorney-General Waggoner Carr testifed to the Warren Commission, giving Lee Harvey Oswald's FBI employee number and salary details.  This was all suppressed in the Warren Commision Report.  We learn about this from Gerald Ford's autobiography.

       Robert Kennedy was an eager and insistent figure in the efforts to eliminate Castro.  He was always ringing Operations up, pestering them.

       Howard Hunt, the probable author of "Watergate", said that in twenty years in CIA, there were two types of people he'd never met: an assassin; or a fellow-Republican.  CIA recruits highly-educated people, who are overwhelmingly Democrat-supporting.

         The current suspect for JFK's killing is LBJ and his chum J. Edgar Hoover.

          CIA folk are ubiquitous in America.  They travel a lot.   :laugh:

           Anduril
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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2008, 11:15:23 am »

Via LRC today:

The CIA Killed RFK Too - New evidence of the crime.

The CIA and JFK - Morley on the cover-up.
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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2008, 11:17:40 am »

I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked! The CIA involved in RFK's assasination? Who'd have thunk it was possible?

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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2008, 11:26:55 am »

I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked! The CIA involved in RFK's assassination? Who'd have thunk it was possible?

Shorty Dawkins

    CIA is not a monolith.  Who in CIA hated RFK enough to do this?  What national purpose could it be thought to serve?

    You might notice that nearly all of the political assassinations stopped for a while when Hoover left office/died.

     Anduril

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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2008, 11:27:11 pm »

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Howard Hunt, the probable author of "Watergate", said that in twenty years in CIA, there were two types of people he'd never met: an assassin; or a fellow-Republican.  CIA recruits highly-educated people, who are overwhelmingly Democrat-supporting.

If E. Howard Hunt said that, he was lying. 

Paul Helliwell (Paul Lionel Edward Helliwell) was a CIA operative and "Mr. Republican" in Florida.  I'm fairly certain Hunt and Helliwell knew each other. 

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In 1960 Paul Helliwell was transferred to provide business cover for the CIA’s Cuban operations. According to Peter Dale Scott (The Iran Contra Connection) Helliwell worked with E. Howard Hunt, Mitch WerBell and Lucien Conein on developing relationships with drug-dealing Cuban veterans of the Bay of Pigs invasion. It was during this period that Helliwell met Ted Shackley and Thomas Clines. Helliwell later became CIA paymaster for JM/WAVE. In this way, Shackley was able to finance unofficial CIA operations against Cuba.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhelliwell.htm - Terrible picture of Helliwell...he was a very handsome man in his youth.

I can't vouch for everything in this article, but I know personally that much of it is true.

My experience with CIA operatives (which ended some years ago) is that they were overwhelmingly Republican.

Helliwell was also our family attorney and the attorney for Disney when they purchased the land for Disney World.  A well rounded (and very nice) fellow.  His CIA involvement became public after "60 Minutes" ran an "expose" of the Bahamian banks accusing Helliwell of financial misdeeds.  He died shortly after the show aired and they did a retraction explaining that he was a CIA operative and had arranged the financing for the Bay of Pigs operation.  At that point, he was considered a patriot rather than the crook they made him out to be.

I knew Lucien Conein as well.  Now there was a character....and probably the person most responsible for the "War on Drugs".  Warriors need wars...certainly Conein did.

I guess the bottom line is, IF CIA operatives are Democrat-supporting (which I doubt), it's a recent phenomenon. 

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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 06:47:56 am »

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Howard Hunt, the probable author of "Watergate", said that in twenty years in CIA, there were two types of people he'd never met: an assassin; or a fellow-Republican.  CIA recruits highly-educated people, who are overwhelmingly Democrat-supporting.

If E. Howard Hunt said that, he was lying. 

Paul Helliwell (Paul Lionel Edward Helliwell) was a CIA operative and "Mr. Republican" in Florida.  I'm fairly certain Hunt and Helliwell knew each other. 

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In 1960 Paul Helliwell was transferred to provide business cover for the CIA’s Cuban operations. According to Peter Dale Scott (The Iran Contra Connection) Helliwell worked with E. Howard Hunt, Mitch WerBell and Lucien Conein on developing relationships with drug-dealing Cuban veterans of the Bay of Pigs invasion. It was during this period that Helliwell met Ted Shackley and Thomas Clines. Helliwell later became CIA paymaster for JM/WAVE. In this way, Shackley was able to finance unofficial CIA operations against Cuba.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhelliwell.htm - Terrible picture of Helliwell...he was a very handsome man in his youth.

I can't vouch for everything in this article, but I know personally that much of it is true.

My experience with CIA operatives (which ended some years ago) is that they were overwhelmingly Republican.

Helliwell was also our family attorney and the attorney for Disney when they purchased the land for Disney World.  A well rounded (and very nice) fellow.  His CIA involvement became public after "60 Minutes" ran an "expose" of the Bahamian banks accusing Helliwell of financial misdeeds.  He died shortly after the show aired and they did a retraction explaining that he was a CIA operative and had arranged the financing for the Bay of Pigs operation.  At that point, he was considered a patriot rather than the crook they made him out to be.

I knew Lucien Conein as well.  Now there was a character....and probably the person most responsible for the "War on Drugs".  Warriors need wars...certainly Conein did.

I guess the bottom line is, IF CIA operatives are Democrat-supporting (which I doubt), it's a recent phenomenon. 

Spatter

  Now there's an interesting post!

  I can vouch for the fact that Hunt said this.  I can't vouch for the accuracy.

  It's worth remembering that, as the CIA joke goes, "Operations are just five per cent of the business, but create 95% of the aggravation."

   Perhaps all the Democrats are over in Collection and Analysis...   :laugh:

   Do the names USS Boxer and USS Essex mean anything to you?

   To most libertarians, drugs are just another commodity.  The base price of heroin is $50.00 a kilo.  You need a "War on Drugs" to ramp the price up and get rid of competition.

   Regards,

   Anduril

PS: I have an 8 x 10 photo of an SR-71 in serene high flight on my living-room wall, signed for me personally by Richard M. Bissell, jr.

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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 07:06:06 am »

Don't forget that the CIA is an arm of the executive branch, meaning under the President, whether he is a Democrat or a Republican, so I would imagine that it is populated by both Donkeys and Elephants.
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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2008, 04:02:06 pm »

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PS: I have an 8 x 10 photo of an SR-71 in serene high flight on my living-room wall, signed for me personally by Richard M. Bissell, jr.

I had to look Bissell up (my CIA connections were less lofty).  All I can say is "WOW!"

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Don't forget that the CIA is an arm of the executive branch, meaning under the President, whether he is a Democrat or a Republican, so I would imagine that it is populated by both Donkeys and Elephants.

The vast majority of operatives are not political appointees, so the party of the president is irrelevant.  It's more of a mindset...are you willing to give up most of your life for your country? 

Watch "The President's Analyst" to get a really good view of the difference between the CIA and the FBI...at least our view in the 60's.

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2008, 05:10:18 am »


   Interesting.

   Have you read "Wedge" about the CIA/FBI rivalries?

   Britain has this too, in friction between MI6 and MI5.

   The best representation I know of is Patrick McGoohan's and George Markstein's "The Prisoner"  TV series. Chris R. Tame wrote a superb analysis of this series for the Libertarian Alliance, available on their Web Site.

             www.libertarian.co.uk

       Anduril

PS: I greatly admired Dick Bissell's work building the Overhead Reconnaissance side of CIA.  This saved countless lives, and vastly increased the accuracy of intelligence, which reduces the risk of war.

   It's hardly Dick Bissell's fault that Kennedy panicked and cancelled the waves of air strikes from USS Boxer and USS Essex, parked just outside Cuban waters.  These were designed to knock out all of Castro's communications and control infrastructure.

      The Captain of USS Boxer told his men that if they wanted to fly the mission, he wouldn't stop them.  I admire him. And Dick Bissell, who Kennedy fired, saying:

      "Under a Parliamentary system such as they have in Britain, I, as First Minister would be resigning, and you, as a Civil Servant, would keep your job.  As it is, this is America, and you will be resigning."

      Anduril



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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2009, 06:49:09 am »

I just went through that free book. Too many details, and too many possiblies and maybes. There might have been connections to Asian places and people though.
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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2009, 10:49:48 am »

Looks like I posted on the wrong thread. But while we are at it, I have read "High Treason" several times, and I found it fascinating. The book sold over 500,000 copies. Go to the index. Look up witnesses. Find the pages.
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Re: CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2009, 11:29:30 am »

Everybody knows who killed RFK. It;s JFK's killing that seems a bit strange and unlikely.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 11:51:59 am »

E.Howard Hunt admitted before his death, that he was one of the three "tramps" on the scene at Dealy plaza. He also said that he and the other two did not participate in the assassination, but were there for backup. That seems to settle WHO did it in my mind.
As far as the recent speculation about as many as eight shots fired at RFK, or eight gunmen, that is disinformation IMO.

http://www.welfarestate.com/jfk/#plumbers

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Disinformation On Every Front

by Paul Craig Roberts

...I doubt we will ever know. But I can offer one possible explanation. Nixon, like John F. Kennedy before him, alarmed the military/security complex with his plans to withdraw US troops from Vietnam (Vietnamization) and his determination to open communication with communist China and improve relations.

As President Eisenhower warned in his last address to the American people, conflict brings power and profit to interest groups that benefit from conflict. Nixon, like Kennedy before him, was perceived as a threat by these powerful interests, because he was working to reduce conflict.

James W. Douglass in his documented book, JFK and the Unspeakable, attributes the assassination of President John F. Kennedy to the CIA, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Secret Service. Douglas reports that these powerful government institutions were concerned by Kennedys refusal to approve Operation Northwoods, to back the CIAs invasion of Cuba, and to confront the Soviets militarily over the Cuban missile crisis and by Kennedys plans to end US military intervention in Vietnam. JFK also told his brother Robert that after his re-election he was going to break the CIA into a thousand pieces.
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There was enough suspicion of JFKs assassination that yet another president assassinated by another unhinged lone gunman might raise more eyebrows. Nixon was disliked by the media, which made him a good candidate for political assassination. The Watergate burglary provided the opportunity. The Washington Post did the job with reports of Deep Throat meeting with reporters in spooky underground parking lots after midnight. Little, if any, information of consequence was contained in these reports. Instead, the newspapers reporting transferred the spooky danger of the deserted parking garages to Nixon and an aura of evil was attached to Nixon that eroded his support.
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