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Myrkul

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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2008, 04:04:53 pm »


Gee, it thought it got it's 'just powers from the consent of the governed.':-)

It does. The problem lies in that old quote, "The only thing needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing." A lack of objection is passive consent.

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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2008, 06:51:38 pm »

Well ya' know........only a low bucker would say nothing while he's being pissed off more and more for an entire timespan of whatever sort.....and then turn around, and for no apparent reason punch the guy who pissed him off right square in the face......

And I hate to sound dumb........but it's not fair to the cops that folks should smile and say "yes sir" while in their minds slitting the cops throat.....

And yeah........there very well could be many here that consider honesty to be a flaw.....but not me......
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2008, 06:55:57 pm »

Well ya' know........only a low bucker would say nothing while he's being pissed off more and more for an entire timespan of whatever sort.....and then turn around, and for no apparent reason punch the guy who pissed him off right square in the face......
And I hate to sound dumb........but it's not fair to the cops that folks should smile and say "yes sir" while in their minds slitting the cops throat.....
And yeah........there very well could be many here that consider honesty to be a flaw.....but not me......

Yeah, but if we just slit the cops' throats won't we get arrested ?  And be in trouble or something ?
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2008, 07:45:59 pm »

If I see a cop performing a road sobriety test, I'm going to smile, and say, "Good work, officer."

If, on the other hand, I see a cop getting all Rodney King on someone, I will act to protect the person.

Police, In general, are not our enemies. Cops have a Job: protect the citizenry. Not from themselves, but from each other.

A Cop is properly performing his job when, for example, arresting a drunk driver, or breaking up a domestic dispute.

A Cop is NOT performing his job when arresting a pot-head (who was not driving under the influence), or when attempting to disarm someone who is simply openly carrying their gun.

A cop performing their job is our friend, the old neighborhood beat-cop. A Cop acting outside their job is an Oppressor, and IMO, should be treated as one.
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2008, 07:53:23 pm »

If I see a cop performing a road sobriety test, I'm going to smile, and say, "Good work, officer."

If, on the other hand, I see a cop getting all Rodney King on someone, I will act to protect the person.

Police, In general, are not our enemies. Cops have a Job: protect the citizenry. Not from themselves, but from each other.

A Cop is properly performing his job when, for example, arresting a drunk driver, or breaking up a domestic dispute.

A Cop is NOT performing his job when arresting a pot-head (who was not driving under the influence), or when attempting to disarm someone who is simply openly carrying their gun.

A cop performing their job is our friend, the old neighborhood beat-cop. A Cop acting outside their job is an Oppressor, and IMO, should be treated as one.


A cop is always performing his job: enforcing the law at gun point. His main job is revenue collection. Going after so called "drunk drivers" (like some arbitrary test can tell if someone is drunk) collects a great deal of revenue for the state, while going after a murderer generates little if any.

For some reason I highly doubt that you would help out anyone being beaten by pigs, since you support them.
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2008, 07:54:51 pm »

And most of todays cops are not peace officers.
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2008, 08:13:39 pm »

If I see a cop performing a road sobriety test, I'm going to smile, and say, "Good work, officer."
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Why?

If I had the resources (mainly time) if I saw a cop performing a road sobriety test, I would pull over and get it all on video...
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2008, 08:26:41 pm »

MyrKul,

Read the whole thing.........particularly the part about" in their minds"........there was NO reference to actually slitting anyones throat.....was there?

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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2008, 08:30:38 pm »


For some reason I highly doubt that you would help out anyone being beaten by pigs, since you support them.

Firstly, While I am quite offended by your vitriol, I will not respond in kind.

I never said I supported "pigs". I showed some specific examples of police actions, and stated which ones I supported, and which ones I would, Violently, if necessary, oppose.

Btw, a Road sobriety test is not an "arbitrary test". If you can't walk in a straight line, you can't drive in a straight line. If you can't even find your nose on your face, how are you going to operate a very complicated piece of heavy machinery? It doesn't test if you're Drunk, it tests if you are impaired.

Sadly, you are right on one point: I used the wrong word. I used "Job" when I should have used "Duty"

Ideally, a Police officer would disobey any unconstitutional order and place the person who made that order under arrest for treason. In practice, most of them are either just as cowed as the majority of the population, or Brute thugs. The likelihood that I will actually meet a "good" cop is getting slimmer by the minute.


Why?

If I had the resources (mainly time) if I saw a cop performing a road sobriety test, I would pull over and get it all on video...

Getting it on video certainly wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd be right there with you. But I would mostly be amazed at a Cop doing what he's supposed to... keeping the road safe. Why would You record him?  
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2008, 08:33:26 pm »

MyrKul,

Read the whole thing.........particularly the part about" in their minds"........there was NO reference to actually slitting anyones throat.....was there?



Of course not. By dealing honestly with ALL people, not just cops, we escape the passive-aggressive feedback loop we're stuck in now.
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2008, 08:37:58 pm »


I never said I supported "pigs". I showed some specific examples of police actions, and stated which ones I supported, and which ones I would, Violently, if necessary, oppose.

Btw, a Road sobriety test is not an "arbitrary test". If you can't walk in a straight line, you can't drive in a straight line. If you can't even find your nose on your face, how are you going to operate a very complicated piece of heavy machinery? It doesn't test if you're Drunk, it tests if you are impaired.



Interesting how you support the jack booted thugs on so called drunk driving and left out real crimes like murder, rape, theft, etc.

Like I said, more revenue generation from a person who's blood/alcohol content is above some arbitrary level than going after a murderer.
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2008, 08:47:41 pm »

It was more along the lines of my likelihood of ever actually bumping up against a murder investigation.

How many have you seen happening on the side of the road? I know I haven't seen any. I do know I've seen quite a few sobriety tests.

And note also that I did not mention the Breathalyzer. Myself, I could give a shit if you've got a BAL of .5, if you can drive. (hell, at that level, I'll be amazed you can breathe) But if you can drive a straight line, and stay in your lane at that level, Go for it. I fully support your right to get hammered out of your mind. I do not grant you the privilege of endangering my life by doing so.
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2008, 08:51:57 pm »

It was more along the lines of my likelihood of ever actually bumping up against a murder investigation.

How many have you seen happening on the side of the road? I know I haven't seen any. I do know I've seen quite a few sobriety tests.

And note also that I did not mention the Breathalyzer. Myself, I could give a shit if you've got a BAL of .5, if you can drive. (hell, at that level, I'll be amazed you can breathe) But if you can drive a straight line, and stay in your lane at that level, Go for it. I fully support your right to get hammered out of your mind. I do not grant you the privilege of endangering my life by doing so.

People on cell phones driving endanger my life MANY times more than any so called drunk drivers. I ride a motorcycle and I see how you cagers being stupid endanger my life.

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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2008, 09:04:29 pm »

People on cell phones driving endanger my life MANY times more than any so called drunk drivers. I ride a motorcycle and I see how you cagers being stupid endanger my life.

Again you make an assumption... Please don't group me willy-nilly. I happen to be partial to the Bicycle as my main method of transportation.

But, Yes, Cell-phone use is at least as impairing as being drunk, if not more. Anything, in fact, which takes attention away from the road and the other vehicles on it increases your chances of intersecting with one of them.
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Re: Libertarians should stop insulting cops
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2008, 06:21:27 am »

How should innocent people be protected from irresponsible people who hurl thousands of pounds of metal down the road while impaired?  This is a serious question.  What IS an acceptable solution to this problem?
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