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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2004, 11:05:27 am »

Earlier this summer I decided to get serious and lose weight. So far, I've been averaging about 1.5 pounds per
week. I've lost about 15 pounds, and have a ways to go to my "ideal" weight.

The reason why I'm even bringing this up is not some miracle diet, or exercise (yeesh!), but I had to make some
changes in my head to get this to work. I'll list some of them below.

* Expectations

The government figures say, that for a 6'2" man, the maximum healthy weight is 165 pounds. Give me a f***ing break!
I was a trim 235 pounds in college. You don't get from 235 to 165 without sacrificing some muscle and bone!
I resented the idea that I should try to match an unattainable ideal. I also resented the implication that there was
something wrong with being bigger (not  fatter) than average.


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The thought that finally crystallized in my mind is that I should not let other peoples expectations - and my anger
about them - interfere in my doing what's best for me. I'll lose weight because it will help me, not because I want
to conform. Once I had this insight, everything else fell into place.
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However, much of the muscle mass I had then, and put on afterwards (I like rowing), has since turned to flab. It has
to go one way or the other. I had a talk with my doctor during my last physical, and we came up with a weight
number that we both can live with - I think it's attainable, and he thinks I'll be healthy. I grumbled something about
the length of time it will take to take it off slowly - his suggeston - and he reminded me  that it will be coming off
much faster than it went on. Fair enough.

* Eat to the point of satisfaction not eating to be full.

* Getting a grip on portion size.

I had some issues with semmantics. I discovered very quickly that a reasonable portion for a lot of things is much
smaller than I thought. Ok, I can live with that. What I had a problem with is that the 'serverings' that make up
portions are often doll sized.
Who are they trying to kid? Is half a slice of bread really a serving??? Finally I realized
I should stop trying to argue for larger servings and just concentrate on the portion size.

* Don't eat to relieve stress.

I've changed jobs within the department, and have much, much less stress. This has made it easier for me to not
snack to sooth an upset stomach. I wish I could say that I solved this problem as a matter of sheer force of will,
but I really had to reduce the stress to fix this.

* Exercise

I am not a fan of exercise for exercise sake. Some are. Good for them! I'd rather exercise as a means of doing
something.

The other thing is that tend to like upper-body sports: archery, rowing, shot put, discus. I spent a season on a
cross country team in high school, and it was pure hell. I finished the season because I refused to quit, not because
I was enjoying myself. (On the upside, I did improve my times quite a bit.)

I've started walking in the woods when I'm home, and using the tread mill at they gym when I'm at work. I will not
jog, thankyouverymuch! I've also added some weight training to regain some muscle mass. I figure more muscle
will burn more calories, and that will get me to my goal sooner.

Summary: eat less, move more, be happy.

Bear
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2004, 12:12:37 pm »

Good show, Bear. That maximum healthy weight of 165 pounds is beyond words! What you're doing sounds the deal. I did mostly running in my life, but that was the circumstance of my job. I prefer the walk too. I think it has to be a bit more than the casual strole, but even then, it's a pleasureable pastime either looking at city or countryside. In Germany we have the volksmarsch-- just people getting together for the fun, company, and fitness return of long walks. I was fortunate to have the fun of going to Nijmegen, Holland for 4 days of 20 miles a day accompanied by people from all over the world. Part of the niceness of such events is that you can tailor the sociability to your mood-- walk alone ignoring everyone for the whole route while enjoying the scenery and yourself or talk it up with whomever looks interesting and willing. And the where is part of the deal-- special trips to interesting places. Stateside, I'd love to walk the Grand Canyon or, east coast, the Appalachian Trail. Lots of places to see and enjoy.
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2004, 09:01:33 pm »

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Earlier this summer I decided to get serious and lose weight. So far, I've been averaging about 1.5 pounds per week. I've lost about 15 pounds, and have a ways to go to my "ideal" weight.

So how did you arrive at a number?

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The reason why I'm even bringing this up is not some miracle diet, or exercise (yeesh!), but I had to make some
changes in my head to get this to work. I'll list some of them below.

* Expectations

The government figures say, that for a 6'2" man, the maximum healthy weight is 165 pounds. Give me a f***ing break!

Anyway!  That's absurd...  I'm about 6'2" also (used to be somewhat taller,  but I do believe my spine has compressed over the years) and am about 220.  No,  that was 216 the last time I was at the doctor's office,  which is down 4 lbs over some period of time or other.  I wouldn't mind losing some  of this beer gut,  but other than that am in no particular hurry to end up skinny -- I was always the skinny kid to start with,  and suffered what skinny kids usually do,  didn't start putting it on until I was out of NYC (I guess that was a healthy move? :-) and since then.

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I was a trim 235 pounds in college. You don't get from 235 to 165 without sacrificing some muscle and bone!

Sounds unhealthy to me.

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I resented the idea that I should try to match an unattainable ideal. I also resented the implication that there was something wrong with being bigger (not fatter) than average.

I've believed for a long time that those charts are bogus.

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The thought that finally crystallized in my mind is that I should not let other peoples expectations - and my anger about them - interfere in my doing what's best for me. I'll lose weight because it will help me, not because I want to conform. Once I had this insight, everything else fell into place.

Yeah.  I'll figure it out too,  but not go by those silly charts,  or what somebody else's expectations are.

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I grumbled something about the length of time it will take to take it off slowly - his suggeston - and he reminded me  that it will be coming off much faster than it went on. Fair enough.

I see the *MAJOR* ad gimmick for any weight loss plan,  diet,  product,  or whatever all seem to focus on that aspect,  and that bothers me.  What's the hurry?  I can't believe it's healthy,  either.

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* Eat to the point of satisfaction not eating to be full.

I like being full.  What I need to do is stop eating to feel stuffed.  Which is relatively easier than it used to be,  because I refuse to go for comfort and continually buy larger sizes in stuff. :-)  I figured if that signal doesn't tell me something then I need to pay closer attention.

Bad enough I have a bunch of stuff that used to fit me that doesn't fit me any more.

But yeah,  I can see thinking real hard about _how much_ you're eating,  and trying to make it a process of eating somewhat less,  over time.  And making it a habit.  Some time back,  we went to a get-together that a friend was having,  and I saw a guy there who I almost didn't recognize.  He'd been a little husky before,  but now he was *huge*.  And he sat down on one of those "resin" (call 'em plastic, cuz they are!) chairs,  and the damn thing collapsed under him.  And two or three of us had to help him up.

I *surely* don't want to go there!

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* Getting a grip on portion size.

Have you noticed how it keeps getting bigger?  "Super size that?"  No,  and no I don't want the combo either,  for that matter.  "A soda" used to be mostly a 12 ounch bottle or can,  except for those little bitty coke bottles,  and then it went to 16 ounces,  and now it's 20 apparently.  And I've seen young dudes walking around with quarts or even gallons of heavily sweetened iced tea...!

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I had some issues with semmantics. I discovered very quickly that a reasonable portion for a lot of things is much smaller than I thought. Ok, I can live with that.

It _is_ an adjustment,  though.

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What I had a problem with is that the 'serverings' that make up portions are often doll sized. Who are they trying to kid?

The same people they're trying to kid with those stupid "ideal weight" charts...

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Is half a slice of bread really a serving???

Not as far as I'm concerned.  Hell,  a couple of slices,  at least _buttered_ (none of that "margarine crap" for me!),  better yet get it fresh and unsliced,  and I'll cut myself a slab...

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Finally I realized I should stop trying to argue for larger servings and just concentrate on the portion size.

Huh?

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* Don't eat to relieve stress.

I've changed jobs within the department, and have much, much less stress. This has made it easier for me to not snack to sooth an upset stomach. I wish I could say that I solved this problem as a matter of sheer force of will, but I really had to reduce the stress to fix this.

That's a tough one.  I used to snack at my desk,  on break,  and have something along with whatever I'd brought for lunch,  too.  Not any more.

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* Exercise

I am not a fan of exercise for exercise sake. Some are. Good for them! I'd rather exercise as a means of doing something.

Yeah,  me too.  We've moved all of our own stuff,  every time we've moved,  I work on my own vehicles mostly,  Built things.  Stuff like that.  The muscles that get good are the ones that get USED!

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The other thing is that tend to like upper-body sports: archery, rowing, shot put, discus. I spent a season on a cross country team in high school, and it was pure hell. I finished the season because I refused to quit, not because I was enjoying myself. (On the upside, I did improve my times quite a bit.)

Never was into sports,  probably the skinny kid thing,  though I did used to play basketball.  Up until that period when I put on a whole lot of height in one year,  grew something close to a foot in not much more than a year,  and that messed up my game.

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I've started walking in the woods when I'm home, and using the tread mill at they gym when I'm at work.

Walking works well for me,  only time I've ever been on a treadmill was for a cardio stress test (I guess I musta passed.  :-).  Woods are nice,  I want some right on my own property,  though,  rather than having to get in a car and drive to get to some.

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I will not jog, thankyouverymuch!

Me neither.  The ones that get me are the ones that I've seen going by when it's all hot and humid around here,  those people are nuts!  I'm sitting there doing *nothing* and sweating buckets...

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I've also added some weight training to regain some muscle mass. I figure more muscle
will burn more calories, and that will get me to my goal sooner.

Sounds workable to me.

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Summary: eat less, move more, be happy.

Healthy,  too.  (I'm hoping!)
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2004, 11:23:37 pm »

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Earlier this summer I decided to get serious and lose weight. So far, I've been averaging about 1.5 pounds per week. I've lost about 15 pounds, and have a ways to go to my "ideal" weight.

So how did you arrive at a number?

The Doc asked what my weight was in High School and in College, then asked me what kind of activities I'd
been invovled in. Then he chucked the charts and relied on his own judgement. Funny thing, the number he
had in mind was what I had in mind too.

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Finally I realized I should stop trying to argue for larger servings and just concentrate on the portion size.
Huh?

What I mean is, that if X amount of toast is a decent portion for me, then why should I care if someone
calls that 1 serving or 12 servings? The serving size issue was a distraction for me.

When all is said and done, I'm shooting for 265 pounds. At that weight I should be trim. Maybe not buff, but trim.

A funny thing, though - when I worked out before to lose weight, what happened is I put on the muscle mass and
lost fat, but not weight. Then I'd slack off after a while, gains some flab, then go through another spasm of work outs
to try to lose the weight, and end up ratcheting my weight upwards. Now that I have a handle on the food input part
of this, I think I can reduce the weight and the fat, while regaining muscle tone in the bargain.

It'd be handy if each body came with an owners's manual!

Bear
 
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2004, 12:00:12 am »

Bear Posted on Sep 2 2004, 11:23 PM
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when I worked out before to lose weight, what happened is I put on the muscle mass and lost fat, but not weight.
Well, that is actually quite normal. If you want some kind of goal, lean body mass is the key. Not weight.

My current exercise routine consists of hanging on to the handlebars of my motorcycle at 75 - 80 mph every day to and from work, about 75 minutes total, rain or shine.
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2004, 03:03:26 am »

I found The Hacker's Diet most enlightening.  Explains the relationship between eating, exercise, and bodyweight in terms that any geek can understand.  And it is free on the web.

What has worked for me?  

-eliminate sugar-laden soda -- switching to diet soda or unsweetened tea and coffee -- This had the most noticeable effect, it was also the hardest.

I have also started walking (and occasionally running) 2-3 miles per day.  Sometimes on the treadmill, recently on my property.
 
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2004, 12:51:09 am »

For those with access to a gym, I would recommend trying the body pump workout:
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/resear...ch/bodypump.htm

Each workout is a challenge. But it's a lot of fun.

 
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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2004, 01:41:20 am »

Has anyone here tried Kettlebells?
I found this suggested beginning workout and am considering taking the plunge.
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2004, 11:02:14 am »

Martial arts can be a good way of getting some aerobic exercise in, in addition to the obvious practical applications.
I just started training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu twice a week, and it has been quite an experience.  Good aerobic workout, great for flexability, not bad for devloping muscle tone either (breaking out from under a 250# sparring partner who has put you in full mount is an upper body workout, don't let anyone tell you different.  :D)  Plus, like most martial arts, it gives you a great incentive to keep practicing.

As an aside - having a partner to work out with is a big help when starting a workout plan - you keep each other motivated.  The guy who introduced me to BJJ is also my usual shooting partner, which works out pretty well.  We each have to stay in practice so we can kick the other guys ass.   :D

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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2004, 03:44:31 pm »

I used to do martial arts, and you're right it keeps you in tip top shape.  I also used to play basketball 4 or 5 nights a week which led to a nasty injury that kept me away from the Martial arts.  I still play hoops but haven't gotten back into the ancient arts, although I still do study them quite a bit when I have time.  
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2004, 05:17:16 pm »

Hey Unstructured, which form of martial arts if you don't mind my asking?

Sometime if I find a little spare time  :rolleyes: there's an Aikido dojo about half an hour from here that I'd like to check out.
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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2004, 11:50:49 am »

Glad to see this topic brought up as I think it's an essential factor for a freedom activist to be in the best mental/physical condition possible when battling the govgoons.I just got back from the north woods and while there I did a lot of walking and biking and I think I felt the most effect in my legs so some kind of upper body excercise would be appropriate.One idea I'd like to try is to do a few basic weighttraining exercises with rocks or small logs such as presses or curls since the equipment is so readily available for free.Has anybody ever tried this?And let's not forget about the importance of a good diet.This issue is sort of a tough one for me because I do have quite a sweet tooth.But whatever level of one's fitness the most important thing is to find someting that fits your personal preferences and lifestyle and get moving about on a regular basis.Good health to one and all.

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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2019, 07:24:31 am »

It is extremely important to invest in high quality shoes and clothes to perform the workout sessions with comfort and so much energy. I always like to invest in the designer clothes so that I can make a good impact of my personality at the gym. Recently added floral printed ultracor yoga set in my stash. So obsessed with this gear!
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