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Elias Alias

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Montana Shooting Sports Association Endorsements
« on: October 31, 2008, 02:01:20 pm »

Here are the MSSA endorsements for next week's elections. Since I know and highly respect Gary Marbut, I'm listing these here as JRC's endorsements also.

Linky: http://www.progunleaders.org/MSSA2008Grades/

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Montana Shooting Sports Association

2008 Candidate Grades and Endorsements

Note:  If a letter to the right of a name is in parenthesis (R) (D) (C), that indicates the political party of the candidate.  A letter not in parenthesis is the letter grade MSSA has awarded that candidate.  A question mark as a grade means the candidate did not respond to MSSA's Candidate Questionnaire and that the candidate also has no voting record upon which to base a grade.  Not responding to MSSA's CQ is usually a sign of disinterest in the Right to Bear Arms, or even outright hostility to the Right to Bear Arms.

Please recirculate the URL for these candidate grades and endorsements.  All concerned gun owners should actively support good candidates and oppose bad candidates.

President and Vice President of the U.S.

Democratic Party
Barack Hussein Obama II      F
Joseph Biden                         F

Republican Party
John McCain                        D
Sarah Louise Palin                A

Constitution Party
Ron Paul                                A+
Michael Peroutka                   A

Libertarian Party
Bob Barr                                A
Wayne Allyn Root                  A

Independent
Ralph Nader                           ?
Matt Gonzalez                        ?

MSSA Endorsement - Presidential Race

MSSA makes a dual endorsement in the presidential contest:

If you are a pragmatic person and wish your vote to have the most effect possible in opposing the very anti-gun  Barack Obama and Joe Biden ticket, we recommend that you vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

If you are a person of strong principle and wish to vote for the best team possible for gun owners, regardless of effect, we recommend that you vote for Ron Paul and Michael Peroutka.


U.S. Congress
U.S. Senate

Max Baucus(D)         D
Bob Kelleher(R)        ?
(No MSSA Endorsement)

U.S. House of Representatives

Denny Rehberg(R)     A - Endorsed
John Driscoll(D)         F
Mike Fellows(L)          ?

Party Platform Planks on the Right to Bear Arms

(Text of party platform planks posted at the bottom of this page)

Democratic Party Platform
National Platform         F
Montana Platform        F

Republican Party Platform
National Platform         A
Montana Platform        A

Constitution Party Platform
National Platform         A
Montana Platform        B

Libertarian Party Platform
National Platform         C
Montana Platform - Unavailable


State-wide Montana Races

    Governor

Brian Schweitzer(D)          C
John Bohlinger(D)            F

Roy Brown(R)                 A - Endorsed
Steve Daines(R)               A - Endorsed

Stan Jones(L)                   A
Michael Baker(L)              ?

    Attorney General

Tim Fox(R)                      A - Endorsed
Steve Bullock(D)              ?

    Secretary of State

Brad Johnson(R)             A - Endorsed
Sieglinde Sharbono(C)     ?
Linda McCulloch(D)        C

Superintendent of Public Instruction

Elaine Sollie Herman(R)     A - Endorsed
Donald J Eisenmenger(L)    ?
Denise Juneau(D)                ?

LR-118 - Six-mill Levy for the Montana University System - Against

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Re: Montana Shooting Sports Association Endorsements
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2008, 02:21:13 pm »

So, how does the Libertarian Party platform only get a C grade?

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Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the right to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.
  (Emphasis mine)
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Re: Montana Shooting Sports Association Endorsements
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2008, 02:25:35 pm »

So, how does the Libertarian Party platform only get a C grade?

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Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the right to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.
  (Emphasis mine)

You know, that's a danged good question. I'll have to ask Gary how that "C" came about. At present, I'd guess it's a typo, but I'll find out if there is some reason MSSA graded it that way. Thanks for pointing that out.

Personally, that Libertarian platform excerpt you included rings good enough for me. :)

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Re: Montana Shooting Sports Association Endorsements
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2008, 02:35:59 pm »

It doesn't specify anything about "carry".  This might be a weakness.  And when looking at the others, the others mention many more specific situations.  But in typical Libertarian fashion, the LP one simply uses the words "any" and "all".

The real difference between Libertarians vs. other parties is that they really don't need all those specifics, because when a Libertarian says "all" or "any" they actually MEAN it, lol.  You want a law about firearms?  The answer is NO.  We don't need details.  You want to pass a law that has anything at all to do with firearms.  Such laws should not exist -- period.
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Re: Montana Shooting Sports Association Endorsements
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2008, 02:44:33 pm »

It doesn't specify anything about "carry".  This might be a weakness.  And when looking at the others, the others mention many more specific situations.  But in typical Libertarian fashion, the LP one simply uses the words "any" and "all".

The real difference between Libertarians vs. other parties is that they really don't need all those specifics, because when a Libertarian says "all" or "any" they actually MEAN it, lol.  You want a law about firearms?  The answer is NO.  We don't need details.  You want to pass a law that has anything at all to do with firearms.  Such laws should not exist -- period.

Heh! Good point. That could be it, but I'll ask Gary anyway. It'll give me an excuse to call him - I've not spoken with him since the last legislative session. Thanks, Mon!

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