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Elias Alias

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Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« on: October 15, 2008, 01:07:19 pm »

This morning, Wednesday, October 15, 2008, candidate Roy Brown was on Bozeman talk-radio station KMMS AM 1450, with Jewels as host. I called in. I asked Mr. Brown his opinion on Ron Paul. I asked him for his opinion on the National ID Card. I asked his opinion about the Federal Reserve's role in last week's Bailout fiasco.

I thought he gave fairly acceptable answers, and thanked him for his service to Montanans (in the legislature).

I also informed him (but I'm sure he already knows) that Montanans are PISSED! And yes, I used that word over the air - in fact, I used it three times. I was trying to get the message across that Montanans are no longer willing to live on their knees to governmental tyranny, that Montanans are discussing secession, that some Montanans are discussing revolution. I do believe that Mr. Brown responded well to my expressions of the frustration which so many Montanans presently feel.

Roy Brown gave us his website, so I would like to recommend all readers here check him out and let's discuss the pros and cons of Mr. Brown.  Let's see if the JRC can endorse this man's candidacy.

http://www.roybrownformontana.com/

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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 01:21:53 pm »

I have to say, his website presents him as a pretty conventional Republican type.  In particular, his Education page talks a lot about trying to improve education without blowing even more taxpayer money.  But everything he proposes still involves some form of government oversight.  I'd be a lot MORE impressed if he had the balls to attack the sacred cow altogether.  But I suppose that would be political suicide.

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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 01:40:04 pm »

I have to say, his website presents him as a pretty conventional Republican type.  In particular, his Education page talks a lot about trying to improve education without blowing even more taxpayer money.  But everything he proposes still involves some form of government oversight.  I'd be a lot MORE impressed if he had the balls to attack the sacred cow altogether.  But I suppose that would be political suicide.



Klapton, thanks for checking him out. I'm tending to agree with your overall assessment. Montana has some maverick-type legislators, but most are playing their cards close to their chests. Mr. Brown was cordial with my call-in this morning, and had fairly acceptable answers to my queries - but I'm wanting to get him past the conventional "politics-as-usual-pat-answers" mentality and get a true connection made in his mind about the importance of shrinking the role of government in our lives.

I don't expect a lot from most politicians, but I do expect them to keep an open ear for the voice of the people, and I did get the feeling that I could actually communicate with this man. We'll see how he reacts when I send him Alex Jones' ENDGAME, lol.

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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 03:52:15 pm »

I also informed him (but I'm sure he already knows) that Montanans are PISSED! And yes, I used that word over the air - in fact, I used it three times. I was trying to get the message across that Montanans are no longer willing to live on their knees to governmental tyranny, that Montanans are discussing secession, that some Montanans are discussing revolution. I do believe that Mr. Brown responded well to my expressions of the frustration which so many Montanans presently feel.

If I woke up one morning to learn that Montana had just announced secession from the United States, I would squeal with glee like a little girl, then pack the car.
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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 03:57:32 pm »

Yeah, I'd say that the state government would need to make some preparations for the stampede of liberty-loving Americans suddenly showing up...  But then, none of us in the stampede would be interested in their help anyway.   ^_^
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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 04:18:55 pm »

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But then, none of us in the stampede would be interested in their help anyway.   

Ain't that the truth?
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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 10:09:45 pm »

Can I get some more information about the secessionist sentiment in Montana? I've heard these sorts of claims about New Hampshire, Vermont, Arizona, etc; but the polls never seem to verify it.

Yeah, I'd say that the state government would need to make some preparations for the stampede of liberty-loving Americans suddenly showing up...  But then, none of us in the stampede would be interested in their help anyway.   ^_^

Isn't that what's great about liberty? It's the only system where there is no system, and therefore human beings aren't this big pain in the ass that have to be someone's Problem, and Be Dealt With.
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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2008, 01:58:15 pm »

Can I get some more information about the secessionist sentiment in Montana? I've heard these sorts of claims about New Hampshire, Vermont, Arizona, etc; but the polls never seem to verify it.


Whoa, Bro! I'm not aware of any organized thrust for secession in Montana at this time. I think perhaps Basil Fishbone's online discussion group has discussed the concept of forming a new nation consisting of Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta, British Columbia, and Alaska, but I do not think they have formally organized to promote that idea. I'm certainly in favor of that, and a lot of Montanans, as well as Albertans, are certainly talking about seceding from the evil empire.

I'll poke around and look for any sign of any organization promoting secession for Montana. I'll ask Basil Fishbone for more info. But at this time all I'm aware of is some discussion amongst Montanans here in Gallatin Valley where I live. (Bozeman area) I do, however, try to mention "secession" over the airwaves of KMMS AM1450 several times a month, just to keep the meme afloat.

Personally, I have long ago seceded from the Federal government as an individual. I have formally asked the government of Montana to protect me from the criminality of the current Federal government. That's why I talk often with Montana legislators and gov officials. As an anarchist, I would prefer no government outside my own self-government, but I'm willing to compromise with Montana's government if Montana can and will protect me from Federal criminality.

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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 03:09:27 am »

Well, he told the federales to forget about Montana implementing ReadID, so maybe, just maybe...

Heh! You're right. But I'll see your No-REALID by the Governor, and raise one open letter to the Supreme Court by Montana's current Secretary of State, the Honorable Brad Johnson:

http://www.progunleaders.org/Heller/

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Second Amendment an individual right

The U.S. Supreme Court will soon decide D.C. v. Heller, the first case in more than 60 years in which the court will confront the meaning of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Although Heller is about the constitutionality of the D.C. handgun ban, the court's decision will have an impact far beyond the District ("Promises breached," Op-Ed, Thursday).

The court must decide in Heller whether the Second Amendment secures a right for individuals to keep and bear arms or merely grants states the power to arm their militias, the National Guard. This latter view is called the "collective rights" theory.

A collective rights decision by the court would violate the contract by which Montana entered into statehood, called the Compact With the United States and archived at Article I of the Montana Constitution. When Montana and the United States entered into this bilateral contract in 1889, the U.S. approved the right to bear arms in the Montana Constitution, guaranteeing the right of "any person" to bear arms, clearly an individual right.

There was no assertion in 1889 that the Second Amendment was susceptible to a collective rights interpretation, and the parties to the contract understood the Second Amendment to be consistent with the declared Montana constitutional right of "any person" to bear arms.

As a bedrock principle of law, a contract must be honored so as to give effect to the intent of the contracting parties. A collective rights decision by the court in Heller would invoke an era of unilaterally revisable contracts by violating the statehood contract between the United States and Montana, and many other states

Numerous Montana lawmakers have concurred in a resolution raising this contract-violation issue. It's posted at progunleaders.org. The United States would do well to keep its contractual promise to the states that the Second Amendment secures an individual right now as it did upon execution of the statehood contract.

BRAD JOHNSON

Montana secretary of state

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Here we see Montana's Secretary of State advising the U.S. Supreme Court back in February, 2008, that Montana's compact with the Federal government could come into question if the SCOTUS decided in favor of the "collective rights" interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.  Last time I looked, there were forty Montana Senators, Representatives, and officials signed on to this letter by way of showing their support for Sec. Johnson on this issue. You'll recall that SCOTUS did rule the 2A to be an individual right, as opposed to a collective right. I like to think that Mr. Johnson's open letter helped the SCOTUS focus on facts instead of the statist hocus-pocus, yes? :)

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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2008, 04:32:58 pm »

The letter was amazing.  What a concept--to follow through with your state's constitution in such a way!  After my experiences in Tennessee during the FedGov's attempt to pass the Federal Emergency Health Powers Act (long story!), I didn't think states paid any attention their own constitutions, unless it worked in their favor for something.

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Personally, I have long ago seceded from the Federal government as an individual. I have formally asked the government of Montana to protect me from the criminality of the current Federal government. That's why I talk often with Montana legislators and gov officials. As an anarchist, I would prefer no government outside my own self-government, but I'm willing to compromise with Montana's government if Montana can and will protect me from Federal criminality.


I have been thinking about this concept all day.  Of course, I couldn't trust the scoundrels here in the People's Republic of Florida to follow through with anything like this!  And I certainly hope you never have the opportunity to test those waters.  Wonder what would have happened to Randy Weaver if he had done this?
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Re: Roy Brown _ Candidate _ Montana Governor
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2008, 11:16:17 pm »

I'll poke around and look for any sign of any organization promoting secession for Montana.

Any effort of the sort cannot be organized, because the organization would just be infiltrated and ruined by the federal government. It would have to be a purely grassroots movement.
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