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Herself

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« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2003, 10:30:17 pm »

Hunter, ye spake of "restitution" and "the system," and to me, that implies some form of court.  P'raps not as an arm of the State, but a formal system nevertheless.

     Me, I don't think we ought to formalize every last darn'  thing.  Gears won't turn without a little "slop" and I'm of the opinion civilization is better off with some sloppiness in it, too.  If we stick to getting right the things we can measure, we'll be well on the way towards taking care of the things we can't.

     Mere rudeness -- shunning or the insult direct, or raising a daughter convinced she's a waste of space -- ain't aggression.  It can be walked away from, or ignored, or made fun of, or repaid many years on, but these must be individual decisions, freely undertaken, and not the result of compulsion or force.

     --Herself
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« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2003, 10:51:49 pm »

I'd have to go back and look, but I think I was speaking of an ethical system. And restitution is the commonly used term in all the libertarian philosophy I've read for settling incurred debts between two parties. If I meant courts, I'd have said courts. This thread has gotten big enough to be a nuisance to go back through. <grin>
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« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2004, 03:33:19 pm »

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C.R.A.P. == Completely Rejecting Aggression Principle.
 Okay, then, shall I start ordering some C.R.A.P. t-shirts?  How about C.R.A.P. pens, baseball caps, and bumper stickers?

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« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2004, 06:02:04 pm »

A British official asked Mahatma Gandhi whether he would use violence to stop a planned action that Gandhi  opposed. Gandhi  said he would not. The next day thousands of  Gandhi's  followers blockaded colonial HQ with a sit-in strike. The British official was furious. He called Gandhi ."You said you wouldn't use force to try and stop us! You lied!"
Gandhi  said," I never promised I wouldn't use force. I said I wouldn't use violence".
I think this NAP or ZAP or CRAP concept is kinda wrongheaded for two main reasons:
1. It leaves the threshold for what is  actionable "aggression" wide open. (Winking at your wife  or girlfriend? Playing music too loud?) Where is the threshold? Who sets this threshold? Who will judge?
2. As much as I like LNS, I reject the idea that there exists (or should exist) an "official" canon of approved docturine people  have to follow, regardless  whoever its written by.
The arguments for NAPZAPCRAP  are an  Ad Populum fallacy. Which is as follows:
1. Most people approve of  X , who advocates Y.
2. Therefore Y is true.
Where NAPZAPCRAP = Y  and LNS = X
The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the advocate of the claim, in this instance Smith.
So  anyhoo  I reserve the right to define aggression and how to respond to it for myself.
For an another take on NAPZAPCRAP by a prominent libertarian philosopher read this link:
NAP This!
:)
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« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2004, 06:58:21 am »

As there is no collective who can tell me whom I have to shun and whom I may not, I guess it is my choice to whom I establish contact and to whom I don't. If someone gives me a headache or worse, it is my personal choice how to react. There is no reason to shun someone I have never heard of. If I decide to act, there must be a reason to it. If somebody disappoint my confidence in him, it is my right to terminate any contact to this person. Si I don't initiate force, I simply prevent him from doing more damage to me. If someone has a public reputation as a burglar, I only serve my personal interests by not doing any business with him. I don't support his initiating of force. Buy from a thief and you'll be a thief. I see a NO GUNS ALLOWED sign at the door of a restaurant? WTF, I may be as hungry as a wolf, he is not worth my money. You can't force anyone to do business with or personal contact people who do no good to you. As long as no-one can force me to join a collective, I am the one who decides whom I like and contact, and whom I don't. Shun me, I don't care ;) :P  :D  
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« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2015, 02:51:10 am »

Hey Mouse

Did you read this yet?

I remember you talking about shunning people for this or that.

some good points made here
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