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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2009, 11:41:00 am »

I recommend that anyone who doesn't think things will get to bad and that open revolt is not an option Google Agenda 21.
Watch this video and listen real close to the end then think 1935 and the brown shirts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5xdNIFrZrw

I for one will not lay down and go quietly into the night.
 

I hate to disagree, but I'll betcha do if you're still in harm's way! They will see to it.

I'd like to suggest a peaceful way out, but it's your peace I'm talking about, because there is no talking to them. They WILL have you lie down very, very quietly one night -- unless . . . .

Not sure exactly what you are suggesting. Is your plan is to bend your knee and tug your forelock when they come to your front door and tell you they are taking you and yours to the camp because there is now martial law and they "just want to keep you safe"? Is your "peaceful way out" to let them disarm you "for the greater good".  I can't tell because you talk about a "peaceful way out" then don't say what it is.

I guess that it is possible that you think my reply is meant to tell people to run out into the streets with their pitchforks and torches and attack. But I am not suggesting that people start a revolution. Rather I suggest that people END the fight when the gov starts it.

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Ok never mind. I came across several of your other posts. You are a salesman for your namesake the "Indian bell ranch". Apparently your peaceful plan is to run away and live in India.   
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Well, there are places to bugout to that are too far from camping to walk to, and too modern to camp in: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgqtv9ff_275hfp46qcd&hl=en

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Thanks but no thanks.
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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2009, 12:16:33 pm »

I recommend that anyone who doesn't think things will get to bad and that open revolt is not an option Google Agenda 21.
Watch this video and listen real close to the end then think 1935 and the brown shirts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5xdNIFrZrw
I for one will not lay down and go quietly into the night.
 
I hate to disagree, but I'll betcha do if you're still in harm's way! They will see to it.
I'd like to suggest a peaceful way out, but it's your peace I'm talking about, because there is no talking to them. They WILL have you lie down very, very quietly one night -- unless . . . .
Not sure exactly what you are suggesting. Is your plan is to bend your knee and tug your forelock when they come to your front door and tell you they are taking you and yours to the camp because there is now martial law and they "just want to keep you safe"? Is your "peaceful way out" to let them disarm you "for the greater goodfor the children".*  I can't tell because you talk about a "peaceful way out" then don't say what it is.

I guess that it is possible that you think my reply is meant to tell people to run out into the streets with their pitchforks and torches and attack. But I am not suggesting that people start a revolution. Rather I suggest that people END the fight when the gov starts it.


*Fixed that for ya   :laugh:

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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2009, 12:54:32 pm »

I recommend that anyone who doesn't think things will get to bad and that open revolt is not an option Google Agenda 21.
Watch this video and listen real close to the end then think 1935 and the brown shirts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5xdNIFrZrw

I for one will not lay down and go quietly into the night.
 

I hate to disagree, but I'll betcha do if you're still in harm's way! They will see to it.

I'd like to suggest a peaceful way out, but it's your peace I'm talking about, because there is no talking to them. They WILL have you lie down very, very quietly one night -- unless . . . .

Not sure exactly what you are suggesting. Is your plan is to bend your knee and tug your forelock when they come to your front door and tell you they are taking you and yours to the camp because there is now martial law and they "just want to keep you safe"? Is your "peaceful way out" to let them disarm you "for the greater good".  I can't tell because you talk about a "peaceful way out" then don't say what it is.

I guess that it is possible that you think my reply is meant to tell people to run out into the streets with their pitchforks and torches and attack. But I am not suggesting that people start a revolution. Rather I suggest that people END the fight when the gov starts it.

Edit starts here.

Ok never mind. I came across several of your other posts. You are a salesman for your namesake the "Indian bell ranch". Apparently your peaceful plan is to run away and live in India.   
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Well, there are places to bugout to that are too far from camping to walk to, and too modern to camp in: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgqtv9ff_275hfp46qcd&hl=en

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Thanks but no thanks.

Hi Who,

Between 1968 and 1977 I met a LOT of people who were ready to do what you suggest you're ready to do. Not one of them made it, and they did go quietly, in the night, lying quite still for it. My message comes from experience. Lots of it, and sacrifices you know nothing of. The sum of it is one message, and I can give you a belly full of reasons that will be very hard to put down, and that is that there is nothing you can do about it. Absolutely nothing.

In about 1977 I and a colleague met with a high priced lawyer on 17th Street in downtown Denver, Colorado. He shocked us both. He prognosticated a blood bath in the streets of our fair country for the same reasons you're suggesting now. And what he also said should be given a careful ear. He said that there was no one that could stop if from happening, and that it was the only thing that might win the Republic back. (We still had one back then).

I'm too old now to fight in such a war, and I think my better sense would have kept me out of it even then, and as I said, I saw all that I knew lose their families and fortunes for nothing at all. We all still lost the Republic.

There will be a chance to rebuild America but it's going to take the best we've got at that time to do it. If they're dead, well . . . they'll just be dead. But my point is that there won't even be another chance until some time after 2020. The dead will have proved nothing. We'll just have to wait until the Republic we once had then makes the only sense there is. Finally, if we're lucky, we'll have another Constituted Democratic Republic but with a few refinements. Most of the laws will be repealed and we'll go back to the good old Common Law.

Another year and another time, I had the chance to talk to another high priced lawyer whose name I'll bet you would know. At a rather noisy cocktail party I suggested that 25% of every male in the US above the year of 25 could be convicted of breaking some felony. "Ohhh! I DISAGREE with that!" (I could have crawled into any nearby hole). "It would be more like 95%!" He said. And, ya know . . . he was right. I saw them haul them all off, one by one, under just such convictions and then, there was no one left. That's what I mean by "going very quietly, one night." They have a system called "suborned perjury" which helps them climb their ladder of success but it turns even your own best friends against you, and again, there's nothing you can do about it. You will see if you haven't seen it by now that your friends are as hapless and helpless as you will be. You won't be able to hold them responsible for it. Electing Obomanation is the absolute proof of these statements. Your way will simply get you killed.

Unless you're a young man just coming home from Iraq or something like that, I'd suggest another way. But I do realize some are going to have to fight, even though they cannot and will not succeed. Their hearts are all in the right place, but their heads should calculate the wisdom of the survivors from the 60's. I have good reason to suggest that America will not have the chance to be reestablished until after the year 2020. But I've given a lot of thought and my life to find that answer. You can call me a "salesman" if you want, but I'm looking for some level-headed men with guts to join me as kindred spirits for the hope I have of America II. If you're not him, that's okay too, because we'll need those who are willing to die for a war that they cannot win. But do count the cost, My Friend. I escaped with my life, and I brought the dreams you have for America II with me. You may be aware of George Washington's dream? I'm a part of that solution and am just looking for a few of George's good friends.

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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2009, 01:18:16 pm »

In about 1977 I and a colleague met with a high priced lawyer on 17th Street in downtown Denver, Colorado. He shocked us both. He prognosticated a blood bath in the streets of our fair country for the same reasons you're suggesting now. And what he also said should be given a careful ear. He said that there was no one that could stop if from happening, and that it was the only thing that might win the Republic back. (We still had one back then).

A little nit-picking side note...

The Republic was lost in 1861.  Then the ruins were sold to private bankers in 1913.  The enslavement of the populace began in earnest in 1933, and has grown with little or no abatement since then.
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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2009, 02:16:08 pm »

In about 1977 I and a colleague met with a high priced lawyer on 17th Street in downtown Denver, Colorado. He shocked us both. He prognosticated a blood bath in the streets of our fair country for the same reasons you're suggesting now. And what he also said should be given a careful ear. He said that there was no one that could stop if from happening, and that it was the only thing that might win the Republic back. (We still had one back then).

A little nit-picking side note...

The Republic was lost in 1861.  Then the ruins were sold to private bankers in 1913.  The enslavement of the populace began in earnest in 1933, and has grown with little or no abatement since then.

Oh I REALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT!
It was sold to private BANKSTERS!

There!  A little nit-picking from me. :-D

Hi Mr. Klapton,

Actually, all fun aside, I really do agree with your assessment of cause and even to the dates. Completely. But I reserve those matters for the proof when someone starts knocking, not being able to believe that it's lost. It's such a shock to some people and will drive them completely away if I'm not careful.

I lost a woman just this past election. She was furious with me that I was voting for Ron Paul as Pres and Dennis Kucinich for V.P. I was "wasting" my vote, she bellowed. And then she went off on a rant about her red convertible, and how she dresses in red, white and blue with a stary neck scarf. Yeah, right! She voted for McCain who would have been only a little slower than Obamanation has to be to pull off what their agenda is. Anyway, if I start back that far, in 1933, they'll just think I'm a weird guy. Like for instance, try telling anyone we haven't had a trial by jury as it was constituted by common law for well over a hundred years. Such statements immediately pick fights. The Socratic method works wonders, but it also takes a thinker and some time.

Anyway, My Friend, the thread subject is "Reality Sets In HERE" and I believe it does. We will assuredly have a blood bath and it will only send fine young men and women (and a few oldsters too), to their graves. They will NOT win. They CANNOT win. (Don't get me started!) If they are tried, true and blue, we really need'em for after 2020. I'm going to be 77 years old by then, and God willing I'll do my part at that time to have America II. But I sense even you agree that present America cannot be saved. We need a total restoration rather than a reformation. I think by or shortly after 2020 there will be enough water over Obamanation's dam to prove to pretty much everyone where we took the wrong fork in the road. A   l - o - n - g    t - i - m - e     a - g - o !
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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2009, 02:21:24 pm »

There are many among us who believe that the experiment with "limited government" has failed, and that rather than restore the republic, it should be replaced with NONE OF THE ABOVE.  (Check out my Rothbard quote in my sig.)

Would you PM me with more info on your India thing please?  I have some questions for you.
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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2009, 02:26:01 pm »

Where is the PM?
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2009, 02:28:22 pm »

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Between 1968 and 1977 I met a LOT of people who were ready to do what you suggest you're ready to do. Not one of them made it, and they did go quietly, in the night, lying quite still for it. My message comes from experience. Lots of it, and sacrifices you know nothing of. The sum of it is one message, and I can give you a belly full of reasons that will be very hard to put down, and that is that there is nothing you can do about it. Absolutely nothing.

So you say you met ALLOT of people who said they would fight and then, apparently did not. You say you have much experience and have sacrificed and so your message is despair. Nothing anyone can do will help and there is no hope. Except to follow your plan.

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And what he also said should be given a careful ear. He said that there was no one that could stop if from happening, and that it was the only thing that might win the Republic back.

Again there is no hope to win back our country except following your, as yet, unstated plan.

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I'm too old now to fight in such a war, and I think my better sense would have kept me out of it even then, and as I said, I saw all that I knew lose their families and fortunes for nothing at all. We all still lost the Republic.

Age not withstanding you have better sense than to resist the socialist, fascist, marxist or whatever flavor you decide to call it and anybody that  did/does resist wastes their time.

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There will be a chance to rebuild America but it's going to take the best we've got at that time to do it. If they're dead, well . . . they'll just be dead. But my point is that there won't even be another chance until some time after 2020. The dead will have proved nothing. We'll just have to wait until the Republic we once had then makes the only sense there is. Finally, if we're lucky, we'll have another Constituted Democratic Republic but with a few refinements. Most of the laws will be repealed and we'll go back to the good old Common Law.

So there is nothing to do for the next 10 years or so but submit to tyranny or, as in your case, simply run away. Those that stay and fight are simply wasting their lives FIGHTING FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.  But it's ok because after 2020 the powers that be will realize that they were wrong the whole time and just let you move back to the US and reinstate the republic.

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Another year and another time, I had the chance to talk to another high priced lawyer whose name I'll bet you would know. At a rather noisy cocktail party I suggested that 25% of every male in the US above the year of 25 could be convicted of breaking some felony. "Ohhh! I DISAGREE with that!" (I could have crawled into any nearby hole). "It would be more like 95%!" He said. And, ya know . . . he was right. I saw them haul them all off, one by one, under just such convictions and then, there was no one left. That's what I mean by "going very quietly, one night." They have a system called "suborned perjury" which helps them climb their ladder of success but it turns even your own best friends against you, and again, there's nothing you can do about it. You will see if you haven't seen it by now that your friends are as hapless and helpless as you will be. You won't be able to hold them responsible for it. Electing Obomanation is the absolute proof of these statements. Your way will simply get you killed.

I do agree that 95% of the population could be convicted of a felony. But while your friends were being quietly hauled away you did nothing. Even tho you say that the FIJA sprung from your loins (http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12260.msg268191#msg268191) apparently all you did was file a motion that the courts recognize jury rights. I would still like to read that brief by the way, I assume you, as its author, still have a copy. Also you say "my way" will simply get me killed obviously thinking that my way is armed revolt and there are no other ways to try and fix things.

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Unless you're a young man just coming home from Iraq or something like that, I'd suggest another way. But I do realize some are going to have to fight, even though they cannot and will not succeed. Their hearts are all in the right place, but their heads should calculate the wisdom of the survivors from the 60's. I have good reason to suggest that America will not have the chance to be reestablished until after the year 2020. But I've given a lot of thought and my life to find that answer. You can call me a "salesman" if you want, but I'm looking for some level-headed men with guts to join me as kindred spirits for the hope I have of America II. If you're not him, that's okay too, because we'll need those who are willing to die for a war that they cannot win. But do count the cost, My Friend. I escaped with my life, and I brought the dreams you have for America II with me. You may be aware of George Washington's dream? I'm a part of that solution and am just looking for a few of George's good friends.

So some people will have to fight a losing battle because they are to stupid to have learned the lessons from the stoners of the '60s. You are looking for men with guts who are willing to RUN AWAY FROM THEIR COUNTRY and hide in India. Also don't presume to know what my or anyone else's dreams for America are.

Obviously your solution to this country's problems is to move to India and hide out hoping that India will let you hang there till the US lets you come back and reinstate the Republic.

Once again I say thanks but no thanks. If you want to play the coward and run away to the arms of another country be my guest.
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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2009, 02:29:55 pm »

Government may have taken the wrong fork, but I did not: I wasn't born then, I have nothing to do with the stupid, self-destructive decisions made by venal and vicious political hacks, and I do not agree to be bound by their stupidity, cupidity, and initiation of violence that they have practiced since the Whiskey Rebellion, if not before then.

Just because the slowly disintegrating government is peopled by irrational, stupid, greedy, dishonest, vicious, power-damaged individuals who believe that it is just to slay and enslave other humans so that those power-damaged people can hold on to the remnants of an illusory power they neither deserve nor any longer possess, does not mean that I must publicly stand against the power-damaged, the slavers, or their minions.  

As far as is possible, I will simply continue to withhold my support~both financial and philosophical~as much as I am able to do so.  

For each individual here will make their own decisions about how they will defend against, confront, compromise with, or conform to the slavers and their minions.  We do so every day.  As individuals who hold life and liberty dear, and who wish only to be left in peace.

I take no responsibility for the decisions of wrong forks those who are power-damaged have taken: neither those who compromised as individuals, or those who wrapped themselves in the illusory cloak of "leadership" to steal from others under colour of law.

Let us each, in our own way, by our best reckoning, stand as we will, and serve that in which we believe, be it family, truth, loyalty, peace, freedom, or all of these.  

But let us never accept unearned guilt for the heinous decisions made by others, for those decisions were not ours, and never could have been so.  This is not my government.  I doubt it is yours, either.
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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2009, 04:25:24 pm »

Calling someone a coward for leaving the country is a common thing.  Anyone has the right to go anywhere for any reason.  That doesn't  make them a coward. Quite the opposite in fact.

Adjusting to another culture alone takes courage and adaptability.  If it comes to a real fight in this country as opposed to internet jabber don't you think that expatriates might be helpful?  A place to go, a source for whatever ?   There are more than a million Americans in Mexico alone. 
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2009, 05:40:42 pm »

Calling someone a coward for leaving the country is a common thing.  Anyone has the right to go anywhere for any reason.  That doesn't  make them a coward. Quite the opposite in fact.

Adjusting to another culture alone takes courage and adaptability.  If it comes to a real fight in this country as opposed to internet jabber don't you think that expatriates might be helpful?  A place to go, a source for whatever ?   There are more than a million Americans in Mexico alone. 

Ok, maybe coward is a strong word but I wouldn't call someone who has renounced their citizenship to the US an "expatriate".

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Originally from Colorado but immigrated to India. Just about to be naturalized.


Unless India allows you to become a citizen and retain your former citizenship. And while moving to another country may take a brand of courage it is a different brand that would cause you to stay and stand up for yourself. Especially when you get around quite a bit, it kind of takes the edge off "danger" of moving to a new place.

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Just a bit about me is that I have lived on:

Continents: (1) North & (2) South America from Alaska to Florida in North America and from Venezuela to Brazil in South America. (3) Europe in Holland, (4) Africa in Central African Republic and Cape Town, South Africa. Finally, (5) the sub-continent of Asia in India from Bangalore to New Delhi to Mumbai.

Islands: (1) Java, Indonesia, (2) Hong Kong, People's Republic of China, (3) Cebu City, The Philippines, (4) Sint Annaland, Tholen, Netherlands, (5) Sint Maarten, Dutch West Indies and finally (6) Honolulu, Hawaii.

So you see, I don't see courage in running to India. I see the end of a long road running from one place to another.
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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2009, 08:41:21 pm »

There are many among us who believe that the experiment with "limited government" has failed, and that rather than restore the republic, it should be replaced with NONE OF THE ABOVE.  (Check out my Rothbard quote in my sig.)

Would you PM me with more info on your India thing please?  I have some questions for you.
Mr. Klapton, why do you do that to me! Do I have to let all my secrets go on one thread? :-D I am actually a Constitutional Anarchist.

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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2009, 09:18:52 pm »

If 'the people' were going to fight back they would've done it by now.

There Will Be No Revolution. I believe there's an excellent article by that title from a member of this board?
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Aha! http://billstclair.com/blog/stories/norevolution.html
An amazing piece of writing.


The vast majority of human beings want government. They need. Government. They need to be told what to do.
Even if there WAS a revolution, it would be replaced by a new government, just as bad, if not worse.
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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2009, 12:19:53 am »

Well now, we did get this thread moving a bit, eh?

Some of the assumptions are interesting, like "I wouldn't call someone who has renounced their citizenship to the US an "expatriate"." India doesn't allow dual nationals, but enjoy your own thoughts. If you'd like an extra passport, however, I have the right contacts. :-)  I didn't make this move over night and my research is convincing. I think we should be careful who we call cowards. Is it cowardice to let the majority (un American) go for Obomanation and suffer what our fathers, for the most part gave us, and is it wise to give them your blood and your gun? Or is it wiser to wait and push their folly under their noses at every opportunity and keep people aware of who voted for what and cause everyone to L@@K and see how well it's doing? Why waste a life for what that life could be doing to go to the next level?

As the song goes, "Youth, like love is lost on the young." There are times to fight but there are also times not to fight. There are even times to retreat. You should understand that during the times not to fight, one's only contribution to fight will be an empty sacrifice. For what?

Youth, especially in America, has a bad habit of not listening to their older brothers. That's going to cost them, but that knowledge is the reason for my stance. I expected it when I got here. The youth, sadly, are NOT better educated than my generation. Far from it. And the smart ones will listen and think rather than castigate someone just because he doesn't agree with his unfounded opinions.

The WOLVERINES was only a movie. I feel that the powers that be are looking forward to the appearances of some wolverines, because they'll be knocked out in a flash. One would know this if he'd been in any of the armed services. America's well oiled war machine is far more capable than you can imagine. The bumbling bureaucrats they're NOT. And the powers that BE have not left very likely coup type thinking or dreaming military commanders who could threaten them or their world wide plans. Anyway, I'm not talking down to anyone. But as a pragmatist I do have that style.

Still, I am not the kind of guy who insists it's my way or the highway, but if I withheld the truth from you, I'd neither be your friend nor a patriot. The war that's coming, regardless of how well executed by the Patriot side, how large or small, how tactile or not, will not win and cannot win. Not merely because I say so. I wonder if you heard how the Home Land Security is now trying to identify the soldiers coming home from Iraq as to whether he will now be a "radical right winger" or not? I am merely able to see that 2 + ? = 4. I'm making no crystal ball declarations. I've been predicting an armed revolt since 1968 and in 1977 found a very respectable lawyer who saw the same thing.

My Friends, do a little research: I just did a search on Google for <suborned perjury> and came up with only 45,000 hits. I only looked at the first two, Wikipedia being one of them. It's still a relatively unknown breach of the peace of the American people, and this nasty little tool has thrown more families away than you can imagine. Wrap your mind around the facts that almost any 25 year old could be convicted of a felony, and you should be able to figure out how they get your genuine friends to "rat" on you without being a "rat!" Neither they nor you will have a choice, and if they can't use the "black mail" (suborned felony) tactic, they'll still call your friends as hostile witnesses and under oath with penalties of perjury they will send you or your friend away, and down the line they will go, throwing all the people away in that line, killing families, and lining their pockets, making great reputations and building the scaffolding of their career on all those bodies. The system is completely cockeyed and you can't win for losing. It's not up to you. It's a "heads I win, tails you lose" type of a proposition. Very few people understand this. This is the government's peaceful way of winning their war, and Obamanation is clear proof that they have won for now. Turn you head to proving he's not a citizen. Get behind that, maybe. They had both a democrat (Dennis) and a republican (Paul) who wanted to restore the Constitution. The people themselves were simply not interested and turned their heads to their great black hope. Tragedies of those who offer their lives to "go back there" will instantly be snuffed out by "law," and the majority will justify those "necessary" actions. Only after they have seen their failures might they be willing to change their minds. At least we can hope the electorate will still remember the way it was and will oust them from their power when we have half a chance of winning. This is merely the equation of 2+2 above. Just look around and see. If you're too young, then you'd better listen to those of us who tried when we couldn't get your parents support. They thought we were the loonies. They know better now, and have vindicated us, but at what loss? We were only spared our lives. And in so many cases, the law of "the bad chases the good away," like copper clad coins chased away the silver coins, it would behoove you and your family to listen to what I'm trying to warn you of. Because, the reality of it sets in here. God help you if you get in their way. Only the 2nd half of the 2nd Amendment is there to protect you, and their guns are bigger than your guns. You cannot win, because your fellow countrymen have chosen Obomanation. YOU are their enemy and they will kill you.

I'd love to send you a copy of my "Motion For the Jury to Try All the Facts, Law and Evidence," but alas, that doesn't work either any more. Twelve person juries in criminal trials are also routinely given to six these days. No, not in the "big" cases, but that's how they break everything down and one day the youngsters won't ever believe it was mandated to be "twelve men, neither more nor less." By the way, FIJA did not exactly "spring from my loins," I don't think I put it that way. But my brief was heavily used in Idaho and Montana. Because Don Doig's points and authorities were the same as mine, but free to all who can search the law, and because my briefs were first written in 1964, right after President Nixon made the National 55mph Speed Law, and because many people in Montana and Idaho used them, I predate FIJA, and that's all I'm willing to say. I have no market rights on what they're doing and I'm very happy they have found their niche.

What some see as "running" others understand as "PT." I lived the life of a PT for very long terms in continents, countries and islands seeking the proverbial land of freedom. India is a Common Law State, has a lot of problems as a country, but has more gold here than in any other country of the world -- by far! The contract is very well and alive here, and the people for the most part leave each other alone. Food is plentiful and the country is not on a distribution track (trucks) which could easily be broken, etc. Anyone is entitled to their own opinions, educated or not, it doesn't matter to me. And I'd hardly call an invitation to LIFE an act of despair! If anyone knows me better, they learn how optimistic I really am. Only the direction of it may surprise people.

"Unearned guilt" is the reality we face. Some fathers have sent their sons to hell because of their own disbelief. There's enough proof around to see the truth of the following passages:

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Exodus 20:5  You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me, and showing mercy to thousands of those that love Me and keep My commandments.

Numbers 14:18 The LORD is long-suffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation.

Deuteronomy 5:9 You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me, and doing mercy to thousands of those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Jeremiah 32:17 Ah, Lord Jehovah! You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and stretched out arm. Nothing is too great for You.  You show loving-kindness to thousands, and repay the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their sons after them.

No, it's far from being fair, but that's the law, and God uses it time and time again to prove his word is true and accurate. Do we have enough sense to see it, obey him and get our stuff in order?

Though the coming blood bath is inevitable, we should warn as many as we can. IBR
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Bennie

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Re: Reality Sets In HERE
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2009, 12:46:20 am »

A comment about the stoners in the 60's was uncalled for and very false. I knew a lot of  brave stoner motherfuckers, and a couple are lifelong friends. (They weren't the ones who sat around the airports and taunted people like me in uniform either)

Thoughts regarding expatriates shows much lack of knowledge. They are as individule in their desires as anybody on this board. Just as people who live in this country their entire lives, many are shitasses, while some are cool as hell.

I, personally, am not fighting to take 'murka back. I don't give a rat's ass about this country or 95% of the people who live in it. This is my life, I am an individule, and I want to live my life with as much enjoyment that I an individule may earn for themselves. If I find a few like-minded folks to be my friends that's cool too. I don't consider myself a "citizen" just because I was born in this country or because some law calls me a citizen.

There are many "admittedly" socialist countries where there is greater freedom than this fascist place called  'murka. Life is short. Be prepared to protect one's self but don't forget to live one's life in the meantime. I'm  just a peaceful hippie with guns and I don't want to fight anybody, but I will stand up for myself and my pacifist friends if trespassed against.
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