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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2009, 05:42:14 pm »

I would take a bit of exception with your example as I'd rather consider, 'We The People' as being on top to control those under us as our represenatives and indeed even the president is supposed to be except in times of National defense.  God help us on that part now.

I'd rather "consider" We The People at the top too.  Reality tells me otherwise.  We The People contacted our congressthieves when the first bailout was about to go down, and overwhelmingly told them to vote NO.  What happened?  The bankers got our money - and our grandchildren's money too.  As for the president and national defense...  He's STILL supposed to be subject to US, even in times of war.  And we can handle our "defense" just fine with or without a president.  Of course, we can't have an empire with troops in 100 different countries around the world, and fight two wars of aggression at the same time without someone giving the orders, and lots of troops to unquestionably obey.

I'm of the opinion that our national security would have been better served if we had followed the advice of many of the founders and disbanded the standing army after the revolution, and heeded the advice of Washington that we should mind our own damn business, and let the rest of the world kill itself if it wanted to.
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2009, 06:11:47 pm »

Man creates government to control his world and it's people because he feels threatened.

Man invests in government the very powers he wishes to posses.

Man seeks to control and direct the government to do his bidding.

Man finds the problems too time consuming and complex for him, and abdicates control to "expert" direction and bureaucracy.

Man invests further power and authority in his government when his plans fail to live up to his expectations.

Man finds his creation becomes intractable and will no longer respond to his will.

Man seeks to be absolved of responsibility for the actions of his government.

Man becomes victim to the power he created.

Man feels threatened.

How will he respond this time?

History say's he will seek to wield new power to destroy the old, not realizing that he is fighting himself at every turn.


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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2009, 08:07:09 pm »

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I'd like to think that most everybody on the form, hopefully all, are all working toward the same goal of regaining what we are now loosing.
I guess I'm kind of a retard in that I'm working in the hopes of gaining that which we've never had..........absolute freedom, both to do as you will, and be responsible for what which you've done...........

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Figured I'd add in that the first step is the hardest..............and oathkeepers is a very good first step.........
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2009, 12:09:06 am »

Just a bit of a heads up, and also some food for thought for the new folks posting...

Plans for the Oathkeepers organization were well underway BEFORE the election.  A lot of folks around here see very little difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.  They are both full of thieves bent on maintaining their own power and enriching themselves and their buddies.  They belong to the same secretive elite organizations.  They both support looting the working person through income taxes and the Federal Reserve system.  The Democrats erode amendments 1, 2, 6, and 9.  Then the Republicans trample 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9.  And when someone like Ron Paul mentions number 10, both sides have a good belly laugh.

Left and Right are an illusion.  There is only Top and Bottom.  The top is the super-wealthy elite and their government puppets, and the bottom is the rest of us.  Returning to the constitution is NOT a return to the Right - it's a return to the BOTTOM - We The People.

Take a look around at the other parts of the forums.  You will find lots of outside-the-left-right-box thinking.  Some of it may seem a bit shocking or radical at first.  And be warned that if you post "conservative" rants about Democrats here, you are likely to be challenged - sometimes fiercely - by folks who distrust the Republicans just as much.  But don't assume it's because they are "liberal."  Modern liberalism is above all a Statist and Collectivist ideology - and that can get folks around here pretty riled up.



Hi Klapton,
Yes, I'll have to agree that for the most part we are all cut from the same material but it seems as though the difference, at least for the majority, but not likely on this forum, lies in the perspective of too many not to attempt to try and descern where a person/canidate might be headed such as BO which is unfortunae and indeed which is why we are now faced with all these problems we are embroiled in although the media had a lot to do with it too.

I would take a bit of exception with your example as I'd rather consider, 'We The People' as being on top to control those under us as our represenatives and indeed even the president is supposed to be except in times of National defense.  God help us on that part now.

I most certainly agree with the ideals of the forum to make the U.S. Constitution the basis of our actions and beliefs and thwart any attempt to deprive us of out Rights as is in the works as we speak by the USurper and other factions that got him in office.  It seems we need to form a plan action to correct what has been done. 

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Oath Keepers has such a plan.
The Plan is to ....
Reach out to all Oath takers and to ....
Teach them to really support and defend the Constitution not just mouth the words and then to  ....
Inspire them to actually refuse to obey any -Any - unlawful order they may be given.
Which would make them Oath Keepers.

When that is accomplished the task of restoring the Constitutional Republic that the founding fathers envisioned will be much more simple.
So simple in fact that some folks May just decide to not elect any Leaders in their State at all.  Which is their Right.

Politics really doesn't have anything to do with Oath Keepers.

Our Only concerns at Oath Keepers are to support and defend the Constitution, to see that it is restored to its rightful place as the Law of the Land and to restore the Constitutional Republic our forefathers created.

Oh and forgive my lack of manners   ....
Welcome.
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2009, 09:15:31 am »

GOOD Morning Vietnam...err..I mean America!.......My first time posting, anyways just wanted to say hello to all.
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2009, 11:38:32 am »

Welcome windsofchange

Have a look around.
Besides the Oath Keepers sub forum [or "partner" forum] there is a wealth of information about getting and keeping one's head and heart Free.

Some ideas and concepts may be new to you and then again maybe not ....
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2009, 02:38:22 pm »

Just joined this forum specifically for the Oath Keeper portion.  Like all of you, I am tired of seeing the government ignore our Constitution and do as they please to their personal benefit.  For many years I've been trying to decide just what I could do about it, but knowing that there had to be an organized opposition to the tyranny that has become our government, I could do little by myself.  The Oath Keepers have answered that question.  Over a 30 year period in the Navy I took the oath many times and believed in it every time as I always will.  My thanks to those of you that have given me hope that there are others out there that aren't willing to see our country go the way of so many European countries and are will to resist this in what ever means are required.  I do not advocate violence, but am willing to do what ever it takes should other means fail.  I love this country and all it stands for and am by your side in the fight to keep it.  Thank you for what you are doing and allowing me an opportunity to be a part of it.
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2009, 07:22:04 am »

The assault on traditional American values are reaching a fevered pace, It seems everyday something new comes around the corner that is a direct violation of the constitution or have I just lost my mind and haven't realized it yet?
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2009, 08:32:34 am »

No Trap,

I think you are wide awake and aware.

Sad to say .... It is, in fact, our own Gov. that has "lost its mind".

Spread the word.  Time flies.....
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« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2009, 09:10:32 am »

Thanks for the sanity check. Yes time is flying by, I have been actively spreading the word to anyone within ear shot. My wife thinks I've lost it as well as many sleeping associates. Those that hear my words and either believe me or feel in there gut something is wrong are afraid to speak out, I have one friend that will not read my online posts or join in my efforts for fear of big brother. I explained to them that they are in denial at which time i tell them.

 "Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessness and horror at your moment of truth."

and for the mindless that really get under my skin I add "If you decide to remain asleep remember my words, when you feel the warmth of your Urine and Die well.......Twice" I'm not sure what hurts worst the apathy of the citizens or the evil of what is happening.
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2009, 09:59:35 am »

Thanks for the sanity check. Yes time is flying by, I have been actively spreading the word to anyone within ear shot. My wife thinks I've lost it as well as many sleeping associates. Those that hear my words and either believe me or feel in there gut something is wrong are afraid to speak out, I have one friend that will not read my online posts or join in my efforts for fear of big brother. I explained to them that they are in denial at which time i tell them.

 "Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessness and horror at your moment of truth."

and for the mindless that really get under my skin I add "If you decide to remain asleep remember my words, when you feel the warmth of your Urine and Die well.......Twice" I'm not sure what hurts worst the apathy of the citizens or the evil of what is happening.

Ah, don't feel alone Trap. I and mine can relate to your feelings and especially your words all too well. Too many are still within this dreamstate comfort zone that has been suggested to them for so long now that they think that they are safe, even though they are not. Yet, when their obvious unhappiness and uneasiness shows, I pounce. They're the people once pounced upon say that they can only listen to so much. It does scare them. Most cannot imagine "taking care of themselves". People have not done things "for themselves" or had to "get along" to survive for some entity has always been there to bail them out one way or the other.

In our household, some won't even visit anymore. Not because they disagree with us, but we are a reminder of how unprepared they are should things go wrong. Yet, we have those who come over because "they have no one else to talk to about these things, people just don't get it". The time sneaking up on us has actually helped in our situation, for we have been preaching and predicting things for so long that now that our friends and family are not taking our ideas for granted anymore. Consistency has been key. And now, we have given up our more radical outward campaigns, and we have become more intimate in our teaching. More by example than by word. The keep up with the Jones' thing is going to be the way that people actually do for themselves, and in turn leave us alone, IMO. They just cannot help themselves in copying. Yet words slip through their ears.

Prime example was this weekend. We just moved into this place, and a neighbor woman who knew the old resident well, saundered out of my garage saying "I was wondering where you were". I had my hand on my hip, and kindly suggested to the old woman that she never do that again. We were NOT the same people as used to live here. She asked many questions, and I offered what she needed to know, the rest she will see as we build our gulch here. Being 90 she has seen much, and had no arguments. And she will not be saundering into our garage again, I am sure. The example has been placed. More will come, and the neighbors are excited about our plans for the future, even though they don't understand why. It's fun to watch the reactions, and will be our entertainment for years to come without a doubt. They will gulch without even realizing why. We found it our only stance, given the psychological make up of the current population surrounding us. They don't listen. People like it when it is "their idea". Always have, always will. So, we'll let it be their idea. :)

Personally, I feel you serve those well to whom you suggest the possibility of death, for it is a reality should things keep going in the direction that they are going. The true severity of the situation should be shared with everyone, whether at the time they wish to believe you or not. Be that nagging idea in the back of their heads. Once things are said, they can't forget. Even if they want to. So, they may think you're crazy......what do they know? Honestly?

Much respect to the oathkeepers, btw.

Peace and smiles.
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2009, 10:11:32 pm »

Hello -

I joined so I could learn more.  I took my Oath way back in '86 and remember it well - it was one of my most memorable, and humbling, experiences.

I would like to become a member of this group and let everyone know that I'm an 'Oath Keeper'.  Do I join by simply providing a testimonial?
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2009, 10:36:17 pm »

Hello -

I joined so I could learn more.  I took my Oath way back in '86 and remember it well - it was one of my most memorable, and humbling, experiences.

I would like to become a member of this group and let everyone know that I'm an 'Oath Keeper'.  Do I join by simply providing a testimonial?

Yep.
Welcome Aboard.
The fact that you have taken the Oath and haven't defamed it means You Are an Oath Keeper.

A testimonial over on the Blogspot is perfect but not necessary.  Please do If you feel the desire at all.  It is amazing to some folks just how many Oath Keepers there are in our beloved country.
I am hoping that any tyrant wannbe is also paying close attention ....
Also each testimonial helps sway the "young bucks" towards our goal.

 
We are setting up an "Official" membership level for those who "just have to have a card or tee shirt or Something" to feel like they "Belong" BUT as of now it is not finished yet.
In Reality .... IF you took [or take] the Oath and Honor [Keep] it You are an Oath Keeper.


Now with that question out of the way ....
Reach, Teach and Inspire.
Any and all oath takers that you know or meet.

We need to Reach out to every active duty and reserve military person as well as the active duty Peace Officers and their reserve groups as well.
We need to Teach them their responsibilities according to the oath they swore. [In the off chance that they don't remember them.]
And ...
We need to Inspire each and every oath taker to become an Oath Keeper.

Any would be Tyrant will find it hard to impose tyranny without the assistance of any of the military and Peace Officers in this country.
That does Not rule out the use of mercenaries or foreign troops BUT even then the odds are much improved in our favor so ....

Reach  Teach  and Inspire as if the survival of our country depended on it  .... because it Does.




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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2009, 07:40:00 am »

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Welcome Aboard.

Thanks - glad to be here!

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...for those who "just have to have a card or tee shirt or Something"...

Nope, don't need a card or anything; just wanted to make sure I was a member before I started spreading the word and just wasn't sure what I needed to do.  Thanks for clearing it up.

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Now with that question out of the way ....
Reach, Teach and Inspire.
Any and all oath takers that you know or meet.

We need to Reach out to every active duty and reserve military person as well as the active duty Peace Officers and their reserve groups as well.
We need to Teach them their responsibilities according to the oath they swore. [In the off chance that they don't remember them.]
And ...
We need to Inspire each and every oath taker to become an Oath Keeper.

I'm on it!
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Re: Welcome To The Oath-Keepers Temporary Forum at TMM
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2009, 11:27:22 am »

After reading my serial speculative fiction, someone asked if I was an Oath Keeper. I just had to know what its all about. I guess I've been an Oath Keeper before there was a name for it. I'm sure grateful to know there are more of us.
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