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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2009, 10:19:00 am »

Welcome and thanks for becoming an Oath keeper.
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2009, 05:08:19 pm »

Yes, I'm a member of Oath-Keepers (IronHorse76) is the user name there.  Learned about it from a LEO friend of mine last month. Took the oath in 1976 when I joined  the army. 
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2009, 01:07:40 pm »

My husband's and my family fought from WWII forward.  We both lost uncles overseas.  My dad was Army Air and was shot down, but did come home, otherwise I wouldn't be here.   :laugh: 

We are both deeply appreciative of our Military.  We have been worrying about what would happen "if"...........happens.  Well, each day brings that thought and fear closer to home.  We worry about our children and grandchildren.  We worry deeply about what is happening to our country. 

We determined that NO one was going to take our freedoms away from us.  We would stand and proudly state......"Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!", If God be for us, who can be against us..........and fight like hell. 

I was so relieved to find OathKeepers on FB, and today found this forum.  I had wondered who would actually be these OathKeepers.  Surely they would be military and law enforcement.  But, wouldn't they have to follow orders given by authority?

I can't tell you how much we appreciate each of you, and we will lend our hand and whatever else we are able to do.   I do have a question.  Will there be enough of us, will we have strength in numbers?  I am thinking there will be those that will not join, but instead might go against.  I tend to worry.  I'm 57 and my husband is 60.  We are raising our youngest grandson who is Autistic.  He isn't 4 yet, and so many things scare him.  I guess my question is.........how safe are we right now?

We are loyal and know where our allegiance is.  It is with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and all it holds.......including the Bill of Rights....Amendments.  We won't give up or give in.

Sorry to go on so long.

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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2009, 09:35:36 pm »

Welcome, mgwood.

Most of us are veterans, police and active duty military, but we are just as happy to have citizen Oath Keepers, too! Every voice supporting the Constitution is welcome!
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2009, 10:30:44 pm »

Where are the Oathkeepers in Pittsburgh? Do they not have any??? It sure doesn't look like. Just go on youtube and you will see MANY instances of unwarranted police brutality.

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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2009, 08:42:37 pm »

Where are the Oathkeepers in Pittsburgh? Do they not have any??? It sure doesn't look like. Just go on youtube and you will see MANY instances of unwarranted police brutality.

Where are You ?

Did I see you in the front lines trying to get any of them to stop their police state actions ?

Why is a brand new organization [Oath Keepers] at fault here ?
We have to get to the members of the Police departments and convert them to Oath Keepers before we can "DO" anything.
You expect what miracles ?

I just went and checked and in the entire state of Pennsylvania we have 56 members.
Without opening each and every one of their pages I don't have a number of how many are actually in Pittsburgh.

Are You in Pittsburgh ?
Have You gotten all of Your local peace officers onboard ?
Have you passed out some pocket Constitutions to them ?
Just WHAT have You done to ameliorate the same type situation in Your area ?
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2009, 08:45:21 pm »

I'm in PA, about six hours away.  Of course, if I was given such an order, I would disobey it.
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2009, 12:26:31 am »

I am sorry, I didn't mean to come off so harsh, and of course Oathkeepers is still being formed and I should realize that. I live in Oklahoma, myself. I can do little here, so I hope it is okay, but on some of the youtube sites, I posted the tenth order an Oathkeeper would not obey and the link to the Oathkeepers website and said that the riot police in my opinion were NOT in any way shape or form defending the constitution, which is what their job is supposed to be.

I am a veteran, and have the utmost respect for LEO's, which is why it sickened and saddened me to see such abuses of power. A lot of those college kids were not anywhere near the G20 summit, but were on their own campuses, and were holding up signs and speaking up, but many were just observing and also just trying to get back to their own dorm room, when they were trapped on the stairs and gassed.

I see footage of demonstrations around the world, but to see our own people being treated this way shocked me. It has been a wake up call to me, that is for sure. Whatever I can do, I will. If there are opportunities to use my constitutional rights to assembly anywhere in Oklahoma or even within a day's drive away, I will do so. I only wish I could do more, and once again apologize for coming off the way I did..I need to realize that we are on the same side here.

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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2009, 08:22:46 am »

I have been posting more than my share of the G20 Pittsburgh coverage.  I do it to show that there is clearly a need for us to get out there and spread the message.  Rumor has it that many of those Police without badges were imports.  This is done to remove the emotional ties that might be present from local Police.  Kinda like Martial Law with foreign troops.
A good beginning would be for the local Pittsburgh Police to scream from the top of their lungs, "That wasn't us!  We would not do that to our citizens.  Those thugs were imported."
Well that is my rant and I am sticking to it. :tinfoil:
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2009, 07:37:11 am »

Folks, the recent American Police Force incident in Hardin, MT gives me a bit of a reason for concern. Even though the local citizens aren't all Oath Keepers they raised the alarm about a situation they felt was to their detriment even though the local media failed to do much. Google if you want information. This is an indication that when the American populace senses something amiss they'll respond and support those, like Oath Keepers, who will lead the way to stop any erosion of their rights.

Except for New Orleans maybe. We need to insure that something like that doesn't ever happen again, although I'm 100% supportive of any group or organization that disarms the criminal element and there were some who were firing on the authorities. Let's not paint with an overly broad brush. Let's wholeheartedly support our law-abiding fellow citizens and support those who seek to disarm the criminal element.

Just another 2 cents worth. I'm leaving the house soon to meet up with some fellow Tea Party/912ers for some local training sessions and a picnic. Think about doing that locally and adding in a bit of OK recruiting. Have a fantastic day.

Don in Texas
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2009, 10:02:08 pm »

Welcome, Don.  If you have the time to peruse some of the threads here, you'll find an active thread on the Hardin situation in General Discussion.  You'll also find many who are doing just what you're doing--spreading the word on OK and on other freedom issues.  Good to have you aboard.
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2010, 07:33:35 am »


  I am a Warrant Officer in the United States Army, and guys,  I'd give up any hope that there are many good men commanding our troops.  I watch these guys in action every single day and I don't have any faith in them.  They swear to an honor code in addition to every other oath they take.  You know, the whole "not lie cheat or steal...etc..etc..   I challenge anyone to count the amount these guys lie to us, each other, and their superiors in a given day.  A Staff Sergeant who worked for me was relieved of duty when he refused to follow an illegal order given by my Battalion Commander.  The order was not in support of the mission or any kind of emergency.  The Battalion Commander simply wanted to hide an error in planning from his own superiors.  When I supported my NCO, you guessed it, I was relieved too.  An order to commit a federal crime simply out of fear people would find out he made a mistake.  That's what these guys do.  They will cash in every drop of integrity they have to avoid looking foolish in front of their own peers.  To expect any of them to question whether an order they receive is illegal or not is asking too much. 

  We were later cleared but they will never forget we refused to follow an order.  He was never investigated even though I can still prove without question he KNOWINGLY gave an illegal order.  Guess it's okay as long as you're playing for the team right?  Nobody would touch it.  The second we said his name doors started to close.  Our Uniformed Code of Military Justice only works downward. 

  Also,  we aren't exactly volunteers as described.  We are PROFESSIONAL Soldiers.  We get paid to do what we do.  These men aren't leaders because of some moral drive.  These Generals are here for the glory, the book they get to write later, the pay, and the status.  If you stopped paying them, or they no longer got to force Soldiers to sit listen to their speeches, they would stop showing up.  There are some great men and women in our Armed Forces.  The problem is, they are led by men who are just as mercenary as Black Water and as much a self styled diva as Paris Hilton. 

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« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2010, 02:23:17 pm »

GregoryS,

  Oath Keepers can't reach, or convince everyone. You and the SSG mentioned are ALREADY Oath Keepers and are the perfect example of what Oath Keepers is working to achieve. We know that many of the command structure are a lost cause, since they are only interested in self-promotion. With Oath Keepers becoming a known entity and a real presence in the ranks, such political commanders will have to take pause and consider the impact to their personal careers should a percentage of the soldiers under their command refuse to obey unconstitutional, therefore unlawful, orders.

  Thank you for your service and doing the right thing when it wasn't the easy thing.

/salute
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2010, 04:22:27 pm »


  I am a Warrant Officer in the United States Army, and guys,  I'd give up any hope that there are many good men commanding our troops.  I watch these guys in action every single day and I don't have any faith in them.  They swear to an honor code in addition to every other oath they take.  You know, the whole "not lie cheat or steal...etc..etc..   I challenge anyone to count the amount these guys lie to us, each other, and their superiors in a given day.  A Staff Sergeant who worked for me was relieved of duty when he refused to follow an illegal order given by my Battalion Commander.  The order was not in support of the mission or any kind of emergency.  The Battalion Commander simply wanted to hide an error in planning from his own superiors.  When I supported my NCO, you guessed it, I was relieved too.  An order to commit a federal crime simply out of fear people would find out he made a mistake.  That's what these guys do.  They will cash in every drop of integrity they have to avoid looking foolish in front of their own peers.  To expect any of them to question whether an order they receive is illegal or not is asking too much. 

  We were later cleared but they will never forget we refused to follow an order.  He was never investigated even though I can still prove without question he KNOWINGLY gave an illegal order.  Guess it's okay as long as you're playing for the team right?  Nobody would touch it.  The second we said his name doors started to close.  Our Uniformed Code of Military Justice only works downward. 


  Also,  we aren't exactly volunteers as described.  We are PROFESSIONAL Soldiers.  We get paid to do what we do.  These men aren't leaders because of some moral drive.  These Generals are here for the glory, the book they get to write later, the pay, and the status.  If you stopped paying them, or they no longer got to force Soldiers to sit listen to their speeches, they would stop showing up.  There are some great men and women in our Armed Forces.  The problem is, they are led by men who are just as mercenary as Black Water and as much a self styled diva as Paris Hilton. 



Perfumed Princes. Careerists and some other adjectives I won't use.  The UCMJ is anything but.  Second Corbin Kale.
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Re: Orders Oath-Keepers Will Not Obey
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2010, 09:00:00 pm »

jamie,

As one anarchist to another..................if you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing.............
A wedge needs both an edge and width to split a log...................think about that..............
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