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Legal Orders Only

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqsg7wa7o8 Socialism--American as Apple Pie

Democratic Socialism v. Republican Socialism: Is That Our Choice in 2008? http://www.therant.us/staff/williams/2008/print/01242008.htm

Republicans hate Socialists. Yet admit Socialist Tax policy is better for Corporations http://www.watchblog.com/democrats/archives/006224.html

Republicans are The Real Socialists: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hale-stewart...l_b_138491.html

TIME for Socialism:  http://mises.org/story/3013

11 reasons America's a new socialist economy:  http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/eleven-reasons-america-new-top/story.aspx?guid={D23E1901-728E-4A3C-99D1-7E80F74C3AE3}

Socialism in America:  http://www.fff.org/freedom/0490s.asp

And the Killer:


In 1848, Carl Marx, at the age of 30, entered a competition sponsored by the International Socialist Union of Paris, France. His submission was the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto, which won. The rest, as they say, is history.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. Property tax paid annually prevents the outright ownership of property, because if property can be confiscated for taxes owed, it can never truly be owned. The application of our rents of land (property taxes) are used for public purposes as envisioned by Karl Marx.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. The income tax was imposed upon the people briefly after the War Between The Southern States and The dictatorial Federal Government. In 1895, The US Supreme Court abolished it with the words, "The income tax is indeed a direct tax and therefore unconstitutional". The Court understood that, "No capitation, or other direct Tax shall be laid,..." Art. 1, Sec. 9, of the US Constitution, means exactly what it says. However, in 1913 there were enough socialist in Congress to again foist the income tax upon the people with the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. The income tax is not designed just to raise taxes, which could be accomplished very easily with a national sales tax. Instead, its goal is to punish achievement, invade privacy, and control the people through fear and intimidation from the most Gestapo-like arm of our government, the I.R.S.

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. Our inheritance tax puts all rights of inheritance in jeopardy. Property tax, income tax, and inheritance tax, should be abolished because they are all direct taxes and they all violate our God-given property rights. They could be replaced with indirect taxes like sales tax, tobacco tax, alcohol tax, or gasoline tax. Some advantages of indirect taxes are:

continued on:   http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%...m/manifesto.htm
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There are few around here who support the GOP.  Even fewer who support the Donkey-party.

Flip sides of the same oppressive coin.
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The Late Governor George A. Wallace once said....

"There's not a damned dimes worth of difference between them"
(Demoncrats & Republicists)
« Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 01:39:26 pm by Secret Six »
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Boy did you take a wrong turn bub,

The Ann Coulter blog is another couple octets down the Internet...you're likely to get a much livelier response there.


(P.S. I am also neither Demo or Repug, but have family on both sides)



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Both the republicans and the democrats realized long ago that the only function of government is to funnel money into their pockets if perchance they're the ones in office.....
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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.

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Legal Orders Only, you might want to read some of the threads here seriously before posting this sort of thing. Many of us have been on this journey for a very long time already. I'm sure you must have some original thinking to add to the discussions here.

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Legal Orders Only, you might want to read some of the threads here seriously before posting this sort of thing. Many of us have been on this journey for a very long time already. I'm sure you must have some original thinking to add to the discussions here.

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ML

I checked the posts, no attacks yet and generally on the same path as many here - could be that we have a "new enlightenment" out there now who learned the game with the last election and got barrel bent by the GOP with McInsane and just now figured out that Lardball, Hannibitch, and Preagervitch are all neocon shills...

Could be the economy?

We may see the boards start to increase in size and readership...

More the better? I would say yes...

LOO with good intent most here would welcome the interaction, I think they are worried that you may think that this is a new audience and not "preaching to the choir"

Could be that they want a more in-depth interaction rather than a flat post - join in the dark smoke filled back of the pub rather than just staple up posters in a hot bed of anarchists, libertarians, and free-thinkers .... What do you think.
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No, LOO isn't being a problem at all, just some older members tend to get a bit crusty about being taught the basics by a newcomer. Thought I'd give him a clue, is all. Don't try to teach a fox how to suck eggs...  :laugh:
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No, LOO isn't being a problem at all, just some older members tend to get a bit crusty about being taught the basics by a newcomer. Thought I'd give him a clue, is all. Don't try to teach a fox how to suck eggs...  :laugh:

Do Wyoming Westerners have the same proclivity to colloquialisms as Southerners?

dumber than a bucket of hair.
that dog will hunt (dat dog'l hunt)
bout' as nice as a rattlesnake

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Yes indeed. I just have not been here long enough to learn all of them. LOL

I was, however, a Marine brat and a Navy wife, so I learned the colloquialisms from a lot of different places. I do try not to use them too much. :)
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Legal Orders Only, you might want to read some of the threads here seriously before posting this sort of thing.

Does the GOP being Socialist upset you?  If (some to many?) people are for the GOP on this forum, nothing is going to fly unless you got the GOP filled with Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan types. 

Let's forget about the Corporate Sponsored Parties of the GOP-DEM order.  If one can convince me the GOP is fighting the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto and telling the public on what it is; if people can actually tell me what Socialism is and why the GOP aren't as a whole plugging it--please show me.  Show me how the GOP as a whole are fighting the NWO, NAFTA, WTO, ETC....
And I will recant the GOP is Socialist.  Yes, the truth hurts.
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I'll pull out an old quote here. Don't remember where I got it.

A liberal is a socialist who worships safety.
A conservative is a socialist who worships order.
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Legal (sorry, "loo" just seems wrong),

Yes, of course a oppressive and arrogant social class can and does upset me, to a greater and lesser degree depending on how the day goes. And don't think I was trying to drive you away, or don't care. This forum is quite different than most of the others in which I have participated. Many of the people here are well informed and alert. I can only speak for myself on the GOP, but I would venture a guess that many here do not think well of them.

Personally I have only ever been a registered Independent. (Now I am a disenfranchised, unregistered Nothing.) My parents are Repugs, but many other relatives who would fall across the entire spectrum. (Which is why am a nothing now). None of them have right answers.

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A friend once told me his view; "Repugs are the party that have bad morals, Demos are the party that have none..."

I just related them to ice cream, they are all sugar injected concoctions that seemingly taste good, but inherently are bad for you, pick your flavor....



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Legal Orders Only, you might want to read some of the threads here seriously before posting this sort of thing.

Does the GOP being Socialist upset you?  If (some to many?) people are for the GOP on this forum, nothing is going to fly unless you got the GOP filled with Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan types. 

Let's forget about the Corporate Sponsored Parties of the GOP-DEM order.  If one can convince me the GOP is fighting the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto and telling the public on what it is; if people can actually tell me what Socialism is and why the GOP aren't as a whole plugging it--please show me.  Show me how the GOP as a whole are fighting the NWO, NAFTA, WTO, ETC....
And I will recant the GOP is Socialist.  Yes, the truth hurts.

No one is disputing that the GOP have as many socialist tendencies as the Dems.  Most of us here are quite well aware that the only difference between the two parties is the *target* of the "ism", being socialism or fascism.  Both parties are both, yet have polar targets.  The end result for the people is always more sociofascism.  It very much is the pit and the pendulum.  Every 8 years it swings right, and cuts us deeper, every eight years it swings left, and cuts us deeper.

The one barest grace the GOP has for them is their tradition, though waning and not very strong, stance on personal defense and gun rights.  It tends, not always, but tends, to be more favorable to freedom than the Dems. 
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What scarmig said.
And ...
I will venture a WAG here ....
I will WAG that there are 5 people here who actually vote Republicrat rather than voting their conscience. [voting for the Best Man in their personal opinion] And that they are the largest voting bloc on this site and then only vote when commode hugging drunk.
I will further WAG that there are 0 people here who vote Demopublican.

Nearly 80% of the folks here are in favor of the No Party.  Now the No Party is not real well known because I just this very second invented its name.  Basically it is the "Party of One" party.  You are the No Party candidate at your current address. I happen to be the No Party candidate at My address strange how that works out huh ?
Oh some people used to call us anarchists and accuse us of all sorts of Nihilistic shenanigans which we don't and [most of us] won't do anyway BUT we also don't get listened to too much so the story is still out there that we live under bridges and carry 1805 issue cannon ball shaped bombas around to light our seegars.    Me .... ? I don't smoke.
SO....
Before you get all upset and have a coronary infarction on us how about taking some time to read a bunch of the threads here rather than just one or two ?
{Didn't I just hear ML offer this valuable tidbit ?}

If you read long enough you will find we are PREDOMINANTLY anarchists and want nothing to do with any two party system in any flavor.
Oh there are several minarchists about {he raises his hand slowly ....}* but for the most part you are not even preaching to the choir.
Most will simply ignore anyone who prances in and begins to "Teach the Ignorant Heathen the True Truth as Revealed to ME By The Flying Spaghetti Monster Herself".  
If one of us was to hold up a mirror and ask you to explain your version of the story to the man in the picture you will eventually figure it out I'm sure.
{he puts his hand back down slowly ....}


*FWIW .... The only form of governance I will accept is a Constitutional Republic.  We used to have one here on this continent. Unfortunately it didn't last long. Our very first President "Honest George" killed it by quelling the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794. Less than twenty years.  Methinks that Mr Jefferson had it right "every generation ..." .

Have a seat, pull up a mug and do a little learning before you start trying to teach people you do not know.[Just a suggestion ....]
I'm thinking that anarchists and pigs have a bit in common.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it annoys the pig."
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