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[padre29]

Just wondering out loud here:

If you do live in an area where an angry mob might burn your house does it make any sense in being prepared (mentally and physically) to control burn it yourself?
Make it appear to have been hit by a couple of Molotov Cocktails?  Have your storage hidden under a burned out and collapsed section?

Scavengers would definetely pick through the burned out building looking for whatever they could find.

[IndianBellRanch]

I advise going to http://survivalrealty.com/ and clicking on the International stuff, and stay away from Europe and the Americas.

IBR

[IndianBellRanch]

I advise going to http://survivalrealty.com/ and clicking on the International stuff, and stay away from Europe and the Americas.

IBR

I mean, why burn it instead of selling it and getting what you can? At http://www.survivalrealty.com/international/india/ you can probably live like a Mogul the rest of your life, and you get a brand new rammed earth home of about 1,800 Sq. ft., to boot! Plenty of garden space with a whole acre of your choice of plantings, etc.

[DirtyLowDown]

Howdy, Tex703!

Two great advantages that my apartment has are:

1.) it is on the second floor, and

2.) it has a spiral metal staircase leading up to it.

Anyone who attempted a home invasion of my apartment would end up killing themselves coming down.  There's no way anyone could safely run down the spiral metal staircase.

Mind you, this kind of set-up is definitely not for small children, but would be excellent for a place for storing provisions, weapons, ammo, valuables, etc.

[da gooch]

I advise going to http://survivalrealty.com/ and clicking on the International stuff, and stay away from Europe and the Americas.

IBR

I mean, why burn it instead of selling it and getting what you can? At http://www.survivalrealty.com/international/india/ you can probably live like a Mogul the rest of your life, and you get a brand new rammed earth home of about 1,800 Sq. ft., to boot! Plenty of garden space with a whole acre of your choice of plantings, etc.

This is not meant as a personal comment so please take the words at their face value ....

I, personally, will be staying here in what is currently known as the united States.
I have history here.  My fathers bones are buried here and his fathers and his fathers etc clear back to 1650 something.
My children both live here with their families, My grand children.
I speak the common basic language without having to relearn a new one.
I am familiar with several of the climate zones here and the flora and fauna here.[big portions of which are edible ....]
And ....
I am poor ....[ as in Really. Yep that poor.] so the financial ability is beyond my reach.
{not that I would even IF I did have the finances to go somewhere else .... see above}

This last is my plain old filial pride but ....
I refuse to roll over or run from the bastidges that are trying to steal My "country" from my grand children when they cannot defend themselves.
{OK I'm done now ....}

YMMV

[Who...me?]

My fathers bones are buried here and his fathers and his fathers etc clear back to 1650 something.

Thats pretty cool gooch, my family came here in 1640 on the good ship Peter and Mary...maybe they were neighbors...LOL

[IndianBellRanch]

I advise going to http://survivalrealty.com/ and clicking on the International stuff, and stay away from Europe and the Americas.

IBR

I mean, why burn it instead of selling it and getting what you can? At http://www.survivalrealty.com/international/india/ you can probably live like a Mogul the rest of your life, and you get a brand new rammed earth home of about 1,800 Sq. ft., to boot! Plenty of garden space with a whole acre of your choice of plantings, etc.

This is not meant as a personal comment so please take the words at their face value ....

I, personally, will be staying here in what is currently known as the united States.
I have history here.  My fathers bones are buried here and his fathers and his fathers etc clear back to 1650 something.
My children both live here with their families, My grand children.
I speak the common basic language without having to relearn a new one.
I am familiar with several of the climate zones here and the flora and fauna here.[big portions of which are edible ....]
And ....
I am poor ....[ as in Really. Yep that poor.] so the financial ability is beyond my reach.
{not that I would even IF I did have the finances to go somewhere else .... see above}

This last is my plain old filial pride but ....
I refuse to roll over or run from the bastidges that are trying to steal My "country" from my grand children when they cannot defend themselves.
{OK I'm done now ....}

YMMV

Hi Gooch,

I know what you mean, and with all good will, Gooch, because we're brothers, and our fathers (also Who Me's) were survivors of Jamestown, etc., With great courage and hardship they immigrated to a land of Indians where they remained in the minority for a very long time, and who left the land they buried their fathers in because they desperately had to get away from despotism. I know immigrating from London in 1606 was not cheap either. But you might find two other like minded families to team up with. If you own a house you could probably finance all you would need from its sale. If you don't own one, two other families sharing the three story private entrances house, making them pay for your interest as a finder's fee, could find you a berth for escaping from America on the same terms our forefathers did from England, and they did not prove to be cowards.

IBR

[da gooch]

Hi Gooch,

I know what you mean, and with all good will, Gooch, because we're brothers, and our fathers (also Who Me's) were survivors of Jamestown, etc., With great courage and hardship they immigrated to a land of Indians where they remained in the minority for a very long time, and who left the land they buried their fathers in because they desperately had to get away from despotism. I know immigrating from London in 1606 was not cheap either. But you might find two other like minded families to team up with. If you own a house you could probably finance all you would need from its sale. If you don't own one, two other families sharing the three story private entrances house, making them pay for your interest as a finder's fee, could find you a berth for escaping from America on the same terms our forefathers did from England, and they did not prove to be cowards.

IBR

None of what I said was pointed "AT" you nor at any "other" and nowhere did I use the word coward.
To leave all that you "know" and start over is daunting [I know.  I have done it several times in my short life] and is not an act of cowardice by itself.  [It Can be if it is done in an effort to simply avoid an unpleasant change of "system".]

The one [or two] point I managed to leave out was I am Not going anywhere. [well maybe on a litter carried by other survivors ....]
I am not so young as to be still considering only my own hide. If I were still in my thirties I Might be of a different mindset. At 61 I will stay and be the shield between my grand children and the "monster" from Mordor-on-the-Potomac. [Or attempt to be ....]
My children may not have forgiven me for divorcing their mother but my grandchildren only know me as a blood relation and for them I would brave much.

PAX

[IndianBellRanch]

Hi Gooch,

I know what you mean, and with all good will, Gooch, because we're brothers, and our fathers (also Who Me's) were survivors of Jamestown, etc., With great courage and hardship they immigrated to a land of Indians where they remained in the minority for a very long time, and who left the land they buried their fathers in because they desperately had to get away from despotism. I know immigrating from London in 1606 was not cheap either. But you might find two other like minded families to team up with. If you own a house you could probably finance all you would need from its sale. If you don't own one, two other families sharing the three story private entrances house, making them pay for your interest as a finder's fee, could find you a berth for escaping from America on the same terms our forefathers did from England, and they did not prove to be cowards.

IBR

None of what I said was pointed "AT" you nor at any "other" and nowhere did I use the word coward.
To leave all that you "know" and start over is daunting [I know.  I have done it several times in my short life] and is not an act of cowardice by itself.  [It Can be if it is done in an effort to simply avoid an unpleasant change of "system".]

The one [or two] point I managed to leave out was I am Not going anywhere. [well maybe on a litter carried by other survivors ....]
I am not so young as to be still considering only my own hide. If I were still in my thirties I Might be of a different mindset. At 61 I will stay and be the shield between my grand children and the "monster" from Mordor-on-the-Potomac. [Or attempt to be ....]
My children may not have forgiven me for divorcing their mother but my grandchildren only know me as a blood relation and for them I would brave much.

PAX

I didn't take anything you said as pointing to me either. Nor did I mean you had used the "coward" word. I threw that in there, because that's what some folks think. They think we've run away from the problems without ever knowing how much we paid fighting those problems. But when a sovereign loses a war, it's customary for him leave the country.

Quite the contrary, Gooch, I should be considered to be like a good friend who would try to persuade you with many words. By the way, I'm six years your senior, and have been encouraging other retirees into taking this direction so that they would have a place for their kids and grandchildren when the feather pillow hits the fan. Sadly, it seems that only when the last train is leaving town that everyone suddenly wants to get on it.

IBR

[Hutch]

Here's a couple ideas.

Plant thorny shrubs under windows...try to funnel intruders to a strategic entry point ie, "kill zone."

Stick a screw driver in one of the hole's on the garage door rail.

If the house electrical panel is outside,put a lock on it.

Train the kids to go to a safe spot...under the bed...bath tub..

Motion sensor lighting.

Hutch

[Rarick]

The Garage Door is probably your weakest link to anyone breaking in.  You can do some undercover work with re-bar and brackets (screwed into the stud work and able to be sunk into pre-drilled holes to brace the bottom edge) that you could put in place when the day comes to seriously harden that part of your house.  Next getting some sheet steel and cutting strips that fit on either side of the door to reinforce the wood can be done, pull off your inside molding and install it where your neighbors can't see it.  This would keep wood from splitting when some one kicks it.  If you have any sliding windows, having blocking sticks in place would do a lot.  "Storm Windows" that you put up and take down every year for winter, with handy dandy reuseable mounting hardware (said storm windows are actually made out of one of the "security Plastics" like lexan).   Your can make your house immune to kamikaze cars by putting in "Planters" which also serve as ballistic barriers........  You may want to do something about the roof and exposed wood to make it more fireproof too, tile and stucco helps.........

There is a lot that can be done, just try the search we have all sorts of threads on this site that discuss all sorts of house fortification.  I believe you can spend just as much money fotifying a home as it would take to make some sort of "away from the zombies" provisions.  The Townhouse WILL get overrun, I mainly give advice to in town folks so that they can take out more of the golden horde before they go down........less for me to deal with.

[mutti]

Train the kids to go to a safe spot...under the bed...bath tub..
Hutch

Great ideas. I'd just like to point out one thing. We have a Fire Drill, Tornado drill and Home Invasion Drill in place. Our children are older now (8+), but one thing I might rethink is teaching them to go under the bed or into a terminating place like a bath tub. Once there - they eventually will be found. Considering that people who do home invasions aren't there to discuss Chef tips - when they find a child - the likely hood is very grim.

Also - think of the stories "They found the child in the closet where he tried to hide from the smoke/flames."

Someone might consider the following (within reason of course):

1. Exit points are not doors. Doors are death traps once exited from because that's where the BGs place watchers.

2. No negotiation. If someone says "Come back here or I'll kill your Mom." - exit as they already have a plan in place to kill or do bad things.

3. Exit points can be windows. Break it, push out the screen, step on the prize artichokes outside of your window - nothing is more important than you getting out. You'd be surprised how hesitant well mannered children are to break something to get away or listen to "adults" who threaten them.

4. Go over the electric/woven wire and into the pasture with the long horned cattle. Most BGs be-boppin' will wonder if they can outrun the cattle to get to you. As for aiming - weave among the critters, scream for the guard dog, get into the wooded area. Get whatever is stashed there for this situation. Don't come back. We know where you'll be.

As to the Garage Door - Yeah. That's a weakness. Because we don't use them however, if I knew it was going down, we've an extra few cords of wood. The plan would be to move it up and stack it tight. That is the best I can do at this point.

Hopefully none of this will ever be needed.

[Rarick]

Show them "the searchers"- john wayne, and why they should not obey any adults in such situations but you.......

[Hutch]

Mutti,

Good points.

My thoughts are to keep them low and out of the line of fire .

My concern would be that they would be moving around .

Hutch

[mutti]

My thoughts are to keep them low and out of the line of fire .
My concern would be that they would be moving around .
Hutch

D'oh! I'm was thinking along another line! Too bad they don't make toy boxes of impenatrible (sp) steel !