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Bill St. Clair

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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2009, 05:55:45 am »

Twenty six hours and twenty six min. till the terrorist games begin BTPTB. How I will be able to come back and chat with you fine people when the games begin and after. I am going to be on line as much as I can until something happens top stop me, that way you will know if anything goes wrong. Would someone please I'm me through Yahoo? PM me if you will and I will give my yahoo mail address.

Anybody know anything about "terrorist games" slated to start at noon today east coast time?
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2009, 09:24:25 am »

Maybe this...............................................http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22936.0
Little off topic though.
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2009, 09:55:20 am »

Twenty six hours and twenty six min. till the terrorist games begin BTPTB. How I will be able to come back and chat with you fine people when the games begin and after. I am going to be on line as much as I can until something happens top stop me, that way you will know if anything goes wrong. Would someone please I'm me through Yahoo? PM me if you will and I will give my yahoo mail address.

Anybody know anything about "terrorist games" slated to start at noon today east coast time?

Bill:

Are these related?

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200907251211.htm

http://blog.taragana.com/n/homeland-security-department-to-conduct-first-nationwide-terror-prevention-exercise-120116/

http://www.samaylive.com/news/us-to-conduct-major-antiterror-exercise/640514.html


And these:

http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=dkpQQMzYKC9u_9MwKl_HoAWrhmROM
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2009, 12:54:20 pm »

Yes They are related. They are all on the same subject I was posting about. I found out that this has been in the planning for a while The first tome mentioned that I have found was back in April. There may have been earlier reports but I had not noticed it until a few days before it was to being. So far there have been no real signs of anything happening here in Oklahoma but it is still to early. I will not let my guard down even far a while after this exercise is over. I will not be able to let my guard down all the way ever again as it looks to much is going on for that.
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2009, 03:55:57 pm »

Thanks, folks. I had seen the announcement of the terrorist-handling "exercise", but I hadn't connected it with the name "terrorist games".
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2009, 07:00:22 pm »

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I believe the only way this will be resolved is through the Supreme Court
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phuque the supreme court. They don't understand the constitution. Just what if it goes to the clowns and they back the ATF? Will the states then cower and back down? I think what needs to happen is the local constabulary needs to start arresting these bastards and trying them under their own laws.
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2009, 09:40:19 pm »

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I believe the only way this will be resolved is through the Supreme Court
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phuque the supreme court. They don't understand the constitution. Just what if it goes to the clowns and they back the ATF? Will the states then cower and back down? I think what needs to happen is the local constabulary needs to start arresting these bastards and trying them under their own laws.

Hear Hear

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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2009, 05:35:54 pm »

I notice that the BATFeces did not consult with the Judicial branch before sending that declaration to FFLs in Montana and Tennessee. ATF disregard for we the people and our Constitution shows their arrogance to be matched only by Hitler's SS. Like so many federal agencies, the BATFE is apparently being controlled by men with power-damaged minds. I say that because only a power-damaged mind would presume to over-ride the quite clear language in the 2nd Amendment - that part which states "...shall not be infringed".  Every and any law restricting a citizen's fully unalienable right to self defense and self-determination is an infringement.

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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2009, 09:20:45 pm »

Fwd: News Release - Montana Firearms Freedom Act
 From: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
 To: mssa@mtssa.org
 
Gun Groups to Sue over Montana-made and Retained Firearms
(for immediate release - 08/21/09)

MISSOULA, MT - the Montana Shooting Sports Association (MSSA) and the
Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) have formed a strategic alliance to
litigate the principles of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act (MFFA),
passed by the 2009 Montana Legislature and signed into law by Montana
Governor Brian Schweitzer.

The MFFA declares that any firearms made and retained in Montana are
not subject to any federal authority, resisting Congress's
dramatically expanded use of the interstate commerce clause to
justify Washington's regulation of virtually all of the private
economy.  The MFFA also applies to firearm accessories and ammunition.

MSSA is most well-known for advancing pro-gun and pro-hunting bills
in the Montana Legislature, and has been successful with 54 pro-gun
and pro-hunting measures in the past 25 years.  SAF is a pro-gun
foundation in Bellevue, Washington, established to press the rights
of gun owners primarily in judicial fora.  SAF has been a party to
numerous lawsuits to assert the rights of gun owners across the Nation.

The primary purpose of the MFFA is to set up a legal challenge to
federal power under the commerce clause.  MSSA and SAF expect to
mount this legal challenge by filing a suit for a declaratory
judgment to test the principles of the MFFA in federal court on
October 1st, the day the Montana law becomes effective.

The concept of the Firearms Freedom Act has caught fire
nationwide.  Tennessee has passed a clone of the MFFA.  Other clones
have been introduced in the legislatures of Alaska, Texas, Florida,
South Carolina, Minnesota and Michigan.  Legislators in 19 other
states have indicated that they will introduce MFFA clones soon or
when their legislatures next convene.  See:  http://firearmsfreedomact.com

This wave of interest across the Nation is what the federal judiciary
calls "emerging consensus" and will play an important role in
validating the principles of the MFFA.

MSSA president Gary Marbut commented, "We're excited to get the MFFA
into court to articulate and argue the principles of freedom and
states' rights.  It's especially encouraging that people in so many
other states are getting tickets to ride this particular freedom
train.  It will be an interesting journey, and we hope successful one."

SAF founder Alan Gottlieb added, "This is an issue that needs public
attention because it challenges federal intrusion into an area where
the federal government clearly, and literally, has no business."

The MSSA/SAF legal team is currently working up its arguments and
litigation strategy.  The team has identified several areas of
rationale' that have never been discussed before in cases about
Congress's commerce clause power.  The general thesis is that
Washington has gone way overboard in attempting to regulate the
internal affairs of states under the strained theory that states'
internal activities are related to interstate commerce.

Although the MFFA addresses firearms, ammunition and firearm
accessories specifically, it is primarily about states' rights and
the commerce clause power of Congress.  Firearms are the object;
states' rights and freedom are the subjects.

  - 30 -

Information:    Gary Marbut; 406-549-1252
                 http://mtssa.org

                 Alan Gottlieb; 425-454-7012
                 http://saf.org


Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2009, 09:56:35 pm »

...
I believe the only way this will be resolved is through the Supreme Court
...

???
phuque the supreme court. They don't understand the constitution. Just what if it goes to the clowns and they back the ATF? Will the states then cower and back down? I think what needs to happen is the local constabulary needs to start arresting these bastards and trying them under their own laws.

RD:

I think we not argue about substance but rather tactics. Indeed I believe this matter should/must be heard by the SCOTUS. This will either resolve (momentarily) or advance the conflict to another level of conflict and discourse. Each step taken tightens the knot. Why not end the game and exhaust the options?
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2009, 11:47:40 pm »

 
Fwd: MFFA Montana story

 From: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
 To: mssa@mtssa.org
 
http://www.missoulian.com/news/local/article_92cbbe06-9107-11de-8233-001cc4c03286.html

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com


Missoula gun rights group will challenge feds over Montana Firearms Freedom
Act

   
By JENNIFER MCKEE of the Missoulian State Bureau | Posted: Monday, August 24,
2009 5:40 pm | No Comments Posted


A prominent Missoula-based gun rights group has partnered with a national
organization to test federal authority over a new class of firearms: guns
manufactured and used solely in the state of Montana.

The Montana Shooting Sports Association, headquartered in Missoula, and the
Second Amendment Foundation, of Bellevue, Wash., announced Monday they intend
to file suit on Oct. 1 to prevent federal gun control laws from being
enforced in Montana for guns made and used within the state's boundaries.

"If a gun is made in Montana and stays in Montana, it isn't engaging in
interstate commerce," said Alan Gottlieb, of the Second Amendment
Foundation. "The federal government really should bug out." ...<snip>...
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2009, 07:21:25 am »

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"If a gun is made in Montana and stays in Montana, it isn't engaging in
interstate commerce," said Alan Gottlieb, of the Second Amendment
Foundation.

I find this comment to be a very weak and illogical statement. He is essentially saying that if a person buys a gun and then moves to another state, or if he crosses a state line to hunt, or carries the gun for self defense or for any reason takes a gun across a state line then he is involved in interstate commerce and federal law governs. I think this makes no sense and makes vulnerable the States' rights issue. I believe that engagement in interstate commerce requires willful intent.

If I were the Fed I would counter that there is no practical way to monitor such movement and therefore Fed law should apply as it is assumed guns will cross borders.

I hope he has been misquoted because if not, I question his competence to speak on this matter.
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Re: ATF tells Montana, "You will respect our authority"
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2009, 09:18:35 pm »

Stating the feds have no jurisdiction within Montana's borders is not the same as stating they do anywhere else. It is choosing the battle to insure victory. 

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