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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2010, 10:56:45 am »

Damn....................I knew I shoulda' changed my underwear today :laugh:
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2011, 09:33:11 pm »

I've posted this before, but don't mind sharing again.

Copy and print it, then hand it to your friends, it may save some grief for someone....


Question – What should I NOT do, if I am accused?
If you have found out that you’re about to be arrested here are ten don’ts.
 
Number one, don’t run.  You cannot outrun radio cars converging on your position.  You cannot outrun the computers that search you down.   The idea of the fugitive is pretty much a thing of the past.  When you run you also run a risk of being injured because of a forceful arrest.  Even worse the police might suspect you have a gun or still this may frighten the officers and cause them to more readily draw their weapons.  Don’t run. 

Rule number two, don’t explain.  It is very difficult to dig client’s out of the holes they create for themselves by babbling to the police before they have been asked a single question.  Judges and juries always discount what a suspect says that helps him, but gives great weight to anything that hurts him.  There is a very good reason why the police have to say “anything you say can be used against you” .  If you have to say something say-- “I don’t want to say anything until I speak to an attorney”. 

Rule number three, don’t get over confident.  Even if you’ve been wrongly arrested don’t get brash, don’t explain, don’t get sassy.  The police have a lot of input into what charges are brought.  The police can write up a minor crime, a misdemeanor or a major crime, a felony and a lot of that may have to do with how you behave when you are with them.  The police can pile on charges and later, if you interfere with them, they can ask the prosecutor to be more severe.  If the police are just doing their job and you don’t cause them added difficulty they just may give you the break that you wouldn’t get if you had been more difficult.  Just get through it with as little hassle as possible. 

Rule number four, don’t give permission to search anywhere.  This applies whether you have anything that you don’t want found or nothing, do not give permission to search.  If the officer asks to search your person, your bag, your car, your house or apartment it usually means they don’t believe they have the right to search and they need your consent.  If an officer orders you to turn over your bag or car keys say loudly but in a polite manner, “you do not have my permission to search.”  When there are possible witnesses nearby this may help your attorney exclude items the officers find from evidence later.   Remember the three previous don’ts, even if the officers find something you wish they hadn’t --don’t talk, don’t explain, don’t get sassy. 
Rule number five, don’t look around nervously at the places you don’t want the police to search.  If you do, that will be the first place they do search.  If you’re being subjected to a legal or even an illegal search,  don’t help the officers by directing them with your eyes to places you don’t want them to look.  Don’t sigh, don’t gasp, just look straight ahead or look at the ceiling or the ground.
 Say nothing and for goodness sake-- don’t answer any questions when the officer goes “hey uh what is this, do you know who this belongs to”, say nothing, just keep your mouth shut.

Rule number six, don’t resist arrest.  Just get through it, don’t push the police or try to push their hands away.  While resisting may just be a misdemeanor in your state, assaulting an officer or any injury to the police officer may well turn your minor crime into a major felony.  Do not resist arrest, just get through it quietly. 

Rule number seven, don’t be a mister or miss congeniality, trying to convince the officers of your innocence is useless.  Remember the police only need a reasonable suspicion to stop you and only an idea that it is probable that you have committed some crime – it is called probable cause to arrest.   The police don’t decide whether you’re guilty or not, that’s the job of the judge or jury.  They’ll free you, the judge and the jury, if the officer is wrong.  Remember, this isn’t television.  If you try to convince the officer that he’s made a mistake, you’re going to say something - remember the Miranda Warning –“can and will be used against you in a court of law”. 

Rule number eight, don’t believe what the police tell you when they are trying to get you to talk.  Thanks to President Nixon, Reagan and Bush and the folks that they nominated to our Supreme Court, the police are now permitted to lie to you to get you to talk.  They make up evidence, they tell you a co-defendant has named you, they say your fingerprints have been found, many different lies and they are allowed to do it.  You don’t know what’s a lie, you don’t know what’s the truth, just keep your mouth shut.  Don’t believe the police when they are trying to get you to talk.  Be quiet and wait to speak with your attorney. 

*Rule number nine, don’t invite the police inside your home.  Don’t step outside either.  A person’s home, no matter how humble, is their castle.  Even if the police believe you have committed a felony they most often have to get a warrant to get into your house to arrest you.  If they ask you to step outside, don’t.   Don’t make it easy for them.  What should you say? how about–“ I’ll just stand right here. Thank you.”  Or “please let me see your warrant if you have one”.  Unless you’re running away from them hot after committing a crime, they usually need a warrant to arrest and enter your home.  Just stay put, be polite and get through it.  When they go to get a warrant you should call your attorney. 

Rule number ten, don’t ask to secure your car or go into your home to get something or to tell your wife.  Why? Because the police will follow you to your car or inside your home and then will be able to start a warrant-less search.  Just stay put, be polite and get through it.  Let them control what is going to happen, let them arrest you, let them take you down to the police station and bail out.  That’s all you can do and call your attorney.

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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2011, 05:11:40 am »

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The police don’t decide whether you’re guilty or not, that’s the job of the judge or jury.  They’ll free you, the judge and the jury, if the officer is wrong.

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The deck is stacked and it doesn't matter what you do or don't say. If they want to "get you," they will. Those 95% conviction rates DO come out of thin air - and those cops are part of it. :(

Sorry, but I'm not going to bend over and take it without one hell of a good fight. I may die, but I'll do no such butt kissing.
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2011, 08:58:23 am »

Sure they do....its all about money, and who can hire a good lawyer, that WILL spend time and work on your case. He who moves faster, will be prepared, and get 'er done.

Either way, the advice is good.
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2011, 07:22:07 am »

I eagerly await the time when we can throw rule number 6 out the window, and replace the whole thing with:

Rule number 1: Shoot, shovel, and shut up.

In some places, you already can.
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2011, 04:31:20 pm »

And in case your blood has ceased to boil.....there's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQAJgxMIuM&feature=related
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2011, 08:18:24 pm »


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But they're allowed to lie to you!  Isn't that nice?  Gotta love that "justice" system.
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Too true.  The police can say practically anything to accuse you, but if you lie, it is used against you.  As a police officer in FL, I can say that we are trained to trick people into incriminating themselves and giving up their constitutional rights.  It is truly sick.  I am technically still on the books, but no longer work there.  As a military officer, I am sworn to protect and defend the constitution, and as a police officer, trained to violate it.  Time to just walk away.

Remember, "SILENCE!!"...or they'll kill you.
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2011, 04:48:56 am »

Just like Achmed.........   I have been approched by police, and I find that the "What are you investigating?" and "Are there acusations against me?" questions tend to put them off.  Both relate to their right to stop you, and sends a certain "This one cannot be messed with easily" signal.  Asking questions is their favorite trick too since it tends to get people thinking about answers rather than "why did he stop me".
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2011, 04:58:19 pm »

Absolutely right! It also bears thinking about that admission to the bar does not a GOOD defense attorney make!

This is just a little taste of why I LOVED law school. I'm not kidding! 4 days a week of that for 3 years, and real practice was such a disappointment.
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2011, 08:18:17 pm »

These post are great. One thing that has happened to me on more than one occation. Police officer- using attitude, asks for my DL, takes back to the car and returns with an attitude adjustment. Sir, Are you armed?  ^_^ Having a ccw requires you to notify the cop if your packing but not if your not. So if you do talk to the cops it helps if you have a ccw.    .02$ 
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2011, 09:42:14 pm »

The CCW comes up on the cops datalink in some states.  A lot of cops will skip the traffic stop simply because of the additional hassle.........
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2011, 07:45:33 am »

These post are great. One thing that has happened to me on more than one occation. Police officer- using attitude, asks for my DL, takes back to the car and returns with an attitude adjustment. Sir, Are you armed?  ^_^ Having a ccw requires you to notify the cop if your packing but not if your not. So if you do talk to the cops it helps if you have a ccw.    .02$ 

Out here the police just assume that everyone is armed and they are very polite. They don't ask and nobody is required to tell them. And they don't pull anyone over without good reason either. Saves an awful lot of time, and there aren't that many of them to start with. Just a few big city areas getting into some of the nonsense. Out here in the sticks we're left alone. We don't need any stinking "permits."
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2011, 11:14:34 pm »

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We don't need any stinking "permits."

Amen to that sister.
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2011, 09:07:08 pm »

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We don't need any stinking "permits."

Amen to that sister.

I agree but it is an imperfect world.........
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Re: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2011, 05:04:15 am »

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I agree but it is an imperfect world.........

I happen to disagree, this is a beautiful world.  The ONLY thing that makes it bad or "imperfect" is the existence of idiotic religions and cattle like masses who have somehow been empowered to dispose of their betters via proxies, usually some idiotic thugs who couldn't boil an egg without help.
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