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[Mad Wet Hen]

sense I followed the white rabbit I have seen how many programs make us think that we can't fight the PTB even children's program like Babar. It is very sad. I wish I know when and where to speed up our work in stopping this. I am doing all I can to wake up people but it is such a slow proses, and time is running out.

[Jarel]

You're fighting the good fight, don't forget it. Just when you think you can't handle any more of the BS, you'll find a way. I know it.
Faith.

[Clip Johnson]

Fascinating post/s Jarel, and equally fascinating website you have there at restackthedeck. Very enlightening stuff, and thanks a plenty for sharing.

Now I'm back to finish reading about How Barack Obama bought the president’s Office, and his office. 

[Junker]

Why American History Is Not What They Say:
    An Introduction To Revisionism     (2009 PDF 2 MB 212p.)
  by Jeff Riggenbach

... Roy A. Childs, Jr., ever an assiduous student of Ayn Rand, offered the following
definition of history in his influential essay, "Big Business and the Rise of American
Statism":
     "History is a selective recreation of the events of the past, according to a
     historian's premises regarding what is important and his judgment
     concerning the nature of causality in human action." Childs saw clearly
     that the historian proceeds much as the fiction writer proceeds, and
     obtains similar results.

[freewoman]

Thanks for the link, Junker.  I'll be reading the PDF.  I majored in Social Science Education (history teaching) and had to read a range of books from different time periods.  That was my first inkling that history is not at all objective; the dates, times, and locations are similar, but the viewpoints can be radically different.  And (gasp!) von Mises et al are subjective, too.  I hesitate to accept any particular viewpoint as holy writ.  For me, understanding that each individual has his or her own perspective has freed me to uncover what I believe.

[Junker]

I got struck by part of the problem in Amer Hist. I brought up
that the code crackers had the Japanese code broken. FDR
knew Pearl was to be hit. I was told to cease & desist. or get
out of the classroom.

This book let's me appreciate more and more of history's base
problems-- a good feeling-- but, these problems are not only
ignore, but actively clouded by the historians themselves. Oh me,
oh my!

Helpful & fun reading I thought.  :-)

[securitysix]

And quoting "Snake Plissken" again in "flight of the bumblplanes" "Muslim names don't appear on the passenger lists of the four flights. The hijackers' names don't even appear on the list of passengers released by United on September 12 — the list of passengers on Flights 175 and 93".

This is in no way a compelling argument.  If you're looking to hijack a plane, would you rather buy your ticket as "Hammoud Ali Ahmad Hammoud" or "Steve Johnson"?  Which name is more likely to draw unwanted attention?  And you can easily handle "Oh, you don't look like a 'Steve'" with "I was adopted".  It's not hard to convince someone your name is something other than what it is if they're not inclined to look too hard and you give them a plausible reason when they do. 

Don't believe me?  Call AT&T's main tech support number some time.  Odds are you'll get some nice young man named "Ben" or Steve" who sounds like Apu or some nice young woman named "Grace" or "Sally" who sounds like Minjula.  Most people don't even think twice about it. 

Uhmm, I don't think one can purchase a ticket on an airplane without a credit card number and valid driver's license - both of which facilitate security checks, background checks, no-fly-list checks, credit checks, etc. It's a whole lot more complicated than having a discussion at the ticket counter about being adopted.

It allegedly had to have happened nineteen times in one morning. The government has used fake passenger lists, fake airplane tail numbers, fake funerals, fake press publicity, and more, in psy-op and black-op programs since at least 1962. The proof -

http://www.jeffersonrivercoalition.com/northwoodsdocument.htm

But please allow me to note on point in fine-tuning this debate - there are hundreds of questions, pro and con, surrounding the official government story of 9/11. We are not nearly as prepared to ask some questions as we are to ask others. For example, the freefall speed of the demolished buildings of the WTC on 9/11 - that is a stone-cold indictment on the government's story. Same goes for the nano-thermetics found in the rubble of those three buildings. The absence of a 757 in the Pentagon is another sure-fire point on which we can safely focus in proving that the government's story is a lie. Best to stick with those areas which are unimpeachable, and after we get a truly independent (civilian-run, not government-run) investigation with full investigatory powers, we can answer all the little questions which at present are not productive.

Salute!
Elias

Sorry about the late response.  I wandered away from this part of the board for a while.  Anyway, I'm not saying there's not something hinky about the official story about 9/11.  On the contrary.  I watched the towers come down live that morning.  It looked like a controlled demolition to me.

My point was that Muslim names not showing on the flights means bugger all.  Yes, running a credit card will initiate a security check, but it's not like it's impossible to get credit cards in a name other than your own.  A little dumpster diving and a little fraud will get one.  If you're about to hijack a 757, credit card fraud and identity theft is hardly the biggest crime you'll be committing.  And that's even doing it the dumb way. 

Someone who has been working years toward the goal (as the alleged hijackers in the official story were) could easily have spent a little time actually establishing a fake identity that will stand up under some scrutiny, especially if they're working for someone in the government who has enough stroke to get the documents made for them.

"No Muslim names on the passenger lists" does not automatically mean there were no Muslim hijackers on the planes.

I don't buy the official story, but that doesn't mean I'm going to buy every argument against the official story, either.

[cz7]

ok whats real? known facts  the federal reserve ,U.N. and other real facts like guide stones of ga to picture like the newstates constitution ...all this and more for a global government -this not  theories... but facts of a socialist government are/is formed and set in motion face up to it ,like hearth care bill one more step down that socialist road ,is this a theory ? NO its happening right now! the best way to tell is when you list what this nation made on and what the culture built it also laws framed vs. whats its image today ? its very scary !!!     

[Bluelinegirl]

Yet you can always find time to make a point like this.  Refusal to educate yourself about what the elites have done and are doing to us and plan to do to us makes you much less effective at helping to protect our liberty.  If martial law is declared Northcom is going to be very interested in rural Wyoming, particularly the northeast.

Basil, that was really uncalled for. I have studied government and politics for more than 40 years. Sorry if that's not good enough for you. The very depth and intensity of my study has brought me to the point where I know without question that there is NO "political solution" possible - and never was. If you still think so, then you are welcome to it.

I did not say I ignored them, I simply can't do anything about most of it. I am preparing myself for WHATEVER may happen here, including being willing and able to help defend my community. If martial law is declared, or mobs of criminals come from the cities, or whatever else actually happens, my preparations will be exactly the same. I will defend myself and my property from aggressors.

I'm simply not going to spend the time or emotional energy WORRYING about all this conspiracy stuff in detail. What the lords in Mordor plan don't really make a particle of difference in what I need to do here and now. Remember that once we've figured out WHAT they are, everything else is just haggling about the price.

If you want to worry, it's none of my affair. I just hate to see others sucked into that black hole when they could spend the time and energy in actual preparation. Everyone has to make up their own mind, of course.

Forgive my not finishing this thread before commenting, this is more like 'notes' that I dont want to forget by the time I finish reading.

1. I've already forgotten who posted the link to the indescribable movie ae911truth.org  But thank you for giving your time to do it. It is a gathering consensus of Architects, engineers, explosives experts... a REAL panel of independent investigators probably as close to an offical investigation as we will ever get. I think its imperitive to watch especially if you believe your government loves you, that you are 'safe' and that 'Truthers' are wacko.  If you havent seen it yet, stop what you are doing, dont bother commenting, if after you see this movie and im sure im not alone in this opinion, if you still believe the official story, that the 'laws of physics were suspended,' that airplane fuel can burn hot enough to disentigrate 99% off 110 stories of concrete and steel into powder (but a passport can survive the actual supposed cause of the fire) or the weight of the buiding could do the same in 10 seconds!, if after you watch you still believe men in caves did this then perhaps you belong in a cave yourself. If you believe that 'someone' did this, you will know who when you realize WTC7 was The second most secure building in the US second only to the Pentagon and yet 'someone' took months installing explosives and 'Baby Bush was in charge of security? How much stentch do you need before you call shit, shit?  This was the first time ive cried about it in years! Not because I believed the story, I think Bush and Co. should be strung up. I knew from day one the official story was impossible. But there is no denying the proof of this movie. Period. And regarding the tear? Casey Anthony has cried all year as well as many many other murderers. It proves only a second of remorse or good acting.

2. Mamma Liberty, at first I agreed about 'how could you not care...' until i read your above post, I find myself at the same junction. I consider myself a very strong Patriot from a very long line of Patriots some of whom signed the original Decl. of Independence (dont ask which ones, long story short, im estranged from my fathers side of the family). When I first joined TMM I was screaming mad! Guns ready to blaze, the last several months of research (web wide) has brought me to the same conclusion...Not a damn thing we can do, except maybe pray they destroy themselves. It is just way too big and way to old and its quite arogant of us to think we can stop them when they have destroyed every civilization they choose, most recently being Russia. Im sure the Russians thought they could beat them too. Like the Russians, the best I can do is hang on for the ride and try to rebuild. I love America and Americans but historically and globally, we arent that special and its arrogant to think we can stop them. After you watch the movie you will see, its nearly impossible for a soldier with a conscious to defeat a soldier without one. If you are a soldier with a secret or special weapon then please charge on, but I am throwing rocks compared to these, what did he call them..'Evil Doers.'

[mouse]

Forgive my not finishing this thread before commenting, this is more like 'notes' that I dont want to forget by the time I finish reading.

1. I've already forgotten who posted the link to the indescribable movie ae911truth.org  But thank you for giving your time to do it. It is a gathering consensus of Architects, engineers, explosives experts... a REAL panel of independent investigators probably as close to an offical investigation as we will ever get. I think its imperitive to watch especially if you believe your government loves you, that you are 'safe' and that 'Truthers' are wacko.  If you havent seen it yet, stop what you are doing, dont bother commenting, if after you see this movie and im sure im not alone in this opinion, if you still believe the official story, that the 'laws of physics were suspended,' that airplane fuel can burn hot enough to disentigrate 99% off 110 stories of concrete and steel into powder (but a passport can survive the actual supposed cause of the fire) or the weight of the buiding could do the same in 10 seconds!, if after you watch you still believe men in caves did this then perhaps you belong in a cave yourself. If you believe that 'someone' did this, you will know who when you realize WTC7 was The second most secure building in the US second only to the Pentagon and yet 'someone' took months installing explosives and 'Baby Bush was in charge of security? How much stentch do you need before you call shit, shit?  This was the first time ive cried about it in years! Not because I believed the story, I think Bush and Co. should be strung up. I knew from day one the official story was impossible. But there is no denying the proof of this movie. Period. And regarding the tear? Casey
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My dream is that one day people generally - those who live for sports games, TV and food - will realise how ridiculous the stories we are told really are.  9.11 is a brilliant example, the official story is so OBVIOUSLY utterly ludicrous and absolutely preposterous, but yet so mahy people continue to believe it - or at least claim that they do.

Hopefully if people generally realised what morons they are being taken for they would get insulted enough to storm the Congress, write letters and emails, letters to the editor of newspapers, make telephone calls EVERY DAY demanding accountability and that the MSM broadcast the truth.

People have been murdered all over the world, other people have had their basic human rights ripped to shreds "because of 9.11", it is way past time that it was exposed for the hoax that it is.

[cz7]

The first thing you need to remember is that a conspiracy theory is only a theory until it's proven. Then it's just a plain old conspiracy.

ok read about the frank church committee in the early 1970's and abandonment of the Afghanistan in the early 1990's ,also the world order thing prez bush pushing,the massive movement out of intel groups  in the Clinton years  because the cold war is over ! facts are facts... add in the deindustrialization of nation  since early 1970's with epa and unions -this is played out with the  Afghanistan because our nation is failing because of nation building skills are crippled or gone ...the other leg which is hurting is the base of culture and history of what made this nation without P/C crap or revisionism... so conspiracy theory is only a theory until it's proven but look at the real evidence -allen town pa and public schools today .. conspiracy theory ,hell it a plot add it up and open your eyes ................   

[Jarel]

ok whats real? known facts  the federal reserve ,U.N. and other real facts like guide stones of ga to picture like the newstates constitution ...all this and more for a global government -this not  theories... but facts of a socialist government are/is formed and set in motion face up to it ,like hearth care bill one more step down that socialist road ,is this a theory ? NO its happening right now! the best way to tell is when you list what this nation made on and what the culture built it also laws framed vs. whats its image today ? its very scary !!!     

Man, dude, slow, down. S'okay.

[superops7000]

I am filed with questions about this kind of stuff and that is why I joined. I want to know if FEMA connects to any of the world government theory's.

[slidemansailor]

The date and widespread acceptance of results from the official story inspired me to review an article I posted 5 years ago and the video clips I linked to from it. 

Rewatching the selected videos was a good refresher. This topic is still relevant. The culprits profited and continue to profit while innocents are destroyed en-masse.

http://www.bitterrootbugle.com/2018/09/11/happy-anniversary-4/