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Elias Alias

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SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« on: August 13, 2009, 12:43:39 am »

Heh! We're getting to 'em!

Please read all three pages of this report, and take note of how fedgov's mental warriors can distort and twist reality in their programmed little minds.....

http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?pid=414

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And on the site in Lexington, Mass., where the opening shots of the Revolutionary War were fired in 1775, members of Oath Keepers, a newly formed group of law enforcement officers, military men and veterans, "muster" on April 19 to reaffirm their pledge to defend the U.S. Constitution. "We're in perilous times … perhaps far more perilous than in 1775," says the man administering the oath. April 19 is the anniversary not only of the battle of Lexington Green, but also of the 1993 conflagration at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, and the lethal bombing two years later of the Oklahoma City federal building — seminal events in the lore of the extreme right, in particular the antigovernment Patriot movement. (snip)

Swearing at the Government
Oath Keepers, the military and police organization that was formed earlier this year and held its April muster on Lexington Green, may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival. Members vow to fulfill the oaths to the Constitution that they swore while in the military or law enforcement. "Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders," the group says. Oath Keepers lists 10 orders its members won't obey, including two that reference U.S. concentration camps.

That same pugnacious attitude was on display after conservatives attacked an April report from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that suggested a resurgence of radical right-wing activity was under way. "We will not fear our government; they will fear us," one man, who appeared to be on active duty in the Army, said in an angry video sent to the Oath Keepers blog. In another video at the site, a man who said he was a former Army paratrooper in Afghanistan and Iraq described President Obama as "an enemy of the state," adding, "I would rather die than be a slave to my government." The Oath Keepers site soon began hawking T-shirts with slogans like "I'm a Right Wing Extremist and Damn Proud of It!"

In April, Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes — a Yale Law School graduate and former aide to U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (a Texas Republican and hard-line libertarian) — worried about a coming dictatorship. "We know that if the day should come where a full-blown dictatorship would come, or tyranny … it can only happen if those men, our brothers in arms, go along and comply with unconstitutional, unlawful orders," Rhodes told conspiracy-minded radio host Alex Jones. "Imagine if we focus on the police and military. Game over for the New World Order."

He's not the first to think so. In the 1990s, retired Phoenix cop and conspiracy enthusiast Jack McLamb created an outfit called Police Against the New World Order and produced a 75-page document entitled Operation Vampire Killer 2000: American Police Action Plan for Stopping World Government Rule.

It's not known how large Oath Keepers is. But there is some evidence beyond the group's mere existence to suggest that today's Patriots are again making inroads into law enforcement — the leak of the DHS report, along with those of a couple of similar law enforcement reports, was likely the work of a sworn officer. Rhodes claims to know a federal officer leaked the DHS report, and says Oath Keepers is "hearing from more and more federal officers all the time."

The group does seem to be on the radar of federal law enforcement officers. In May, a member complained on the group's website of a visit to his farm by FBI agents who asked him, he said, about training he provides in firearms, survival skills and the like.

One Oath Keeper is longtime militia hero Richard Mack, a former sheriff of a rural Arizona county who collaborated with white supremacist Randy Weaver on a book and who, along with others, won a U.S. Supreme Court decision that weakened the Brady Bill gun control law in the 1990s. "The greatest threat we face today is not terrorists; it is our federal government," Mack says on his website. "One of the best and easiest solutions is to depend on local officials, especially the sheriff, to stand against federal intervention and federal criminality." Mack's views echo those of the Posse Comitatus, which believed that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in America. "I pray for the day that a sheriff in this country will arrest an IRS agent for trespassing or attempting to victimize citizens in that particular sheriff's county," Mack said in a video he made for Oath Keepers.


How 'bout dat? :)

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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2009, 02:29:33 am »

The only "paper terrorism" (cute term) I know of comes from banks, corporations, and the rest of the US government.

But maybe that's just me.
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2009, 03:57:03 am »

"members of Oath Keepers, a newly formed group of law enforcement officers, military men and veterans, "muster" on April 19 to reaffirm their pledge to defend the U.S. Constitution."

Is this a paper defense because in order to defend the Constitution you will need men and women under arms and ready to fight right?

Simply educating the zombies will not defend it one bit as they will be so desperate for their welfare (health care, unemployment checks, etc...)  and handouts that they will defend their masters...

I do support and like the fact the message from OK is starting to show results, we need more Sheriff's under our belt...
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2009, 05:54:40 am »

Noticed by the SPLC? Must be doing something very right. You can't buy advertising that good.
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2009, 11:12:27 am »

Despised by the despicable. What better endorsement could we get?  :laugh:
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2009, 03:45:12 pm »

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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2009, 04:01:13 pm »

You made it to their "HATE GROUP" Lists?

IS that a bonus? How despicable they are to label what they do not understand in such a way.
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2009, 04:25:31 pm »

Man, you couldn't ask for a better letter to show people who are waking up
to the way things are. The SPLC is objecting to people swearing to honor
their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution!

This begs the question, "So why is defending the Constitution a problem?"
and that opens the door to a lot of things.

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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2009, 01:20:43 am »

Noticed by the SPLC? Must be doing something very right. You can't buy advertising that good.

Amen, Bill! Totally agree. That BS by SPLC just got Stewart another invite to be on the Alex Jones show. What the SPLC and their ilk do not comprehend is the fact of the great American grassroots awakening. It's happening everywhere, all over the place right now. And the grass roots awakening is very fond of their Oath Keepers, and those who've never even heard of us are now aware that we're here - and since nearly all Americans just now are fearful of anything their government says and does, and since the SPLC is tied in with the DHS blunders earlier this year, I'm guessing that that SPLC article will bring thousands of new members and supporters into Oath Keepers. Couldn't agree with you more, Bill.

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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2009, 02:38:34 pm »

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The Oath Keepers site soon began hawking T-shirts with slogans like "I'm a Right Wing Extremist and Damn Proud of It!"

Please tell me that they are wrong about that part. I was told that Oathkeepers is a non-partisan organization, and if that is true, then there shouldn't be tshirts that say that. Some of us love the constitution AND are democrats.

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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2009, 04:59:51 pm »

Noticed by the SPLC? Must be doing something very right. You can't buy advertising that good.

Amen, Bill! Totally agree. That BS by SPLC just got Stewart another invite to be on the Alex Jones show. What the SPLC and their ilk do not comprehend is the fact of the great American grassroots awakening. It's happening everywhere, all over the place right now. And the grass roots awakening is very fond of their Oath Keepers, and those who've never even heard of us are now aware that we're here - and since nearly all Americans just now are fearful of anything their government says and does, and since the SPLC is tied in with the DHS blunders earlier this year, I'm guessing that that SPLC article will bring thousands of new members and supporters into Oath Keepers. Couldn't agree with you more, Bill.

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David Codrea's take on the mater.
"Lumping patriots and Constitutionalists with haters. "Return of the Militias" points a trembling finger at, among others, the principled members of Oath Keepers. I guess the fund raising efforts require that some threats be fabricated by accusation.

SPLC's Larry Keller asserts they are "particularly worrisome." A fair question might be "Why"" or "To whom?" It's not like they're associated with anything other than patriotism, in spite of his attempts to insinuate racist ties."
http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m8d14-SPLC-report-smears-Oath-Keepers-militias
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2009, 07:37:38 pm »

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The Oath Keepers site soon began hawking T-shirts with slogans like "I'm a Right Wing Extremist and Damn Proud of It!"

Please tell me that they are wrong about that part. I was told that Oathkeepers is a non-partisan organization, and if that is true, then there shouldn't be tshirts that say that. Some of us love the constitution AND are democrats.


They are wrong. No actually, they are lying by stretching the parameters of reality.
It is properly called propaganda.

To answer your question directly .... Oath Keepers has not sold any tee shirts with that statement on it. EVER. Period.

People who post on the blog-spot site were offering lots of different things. Bumper stickers, flags, tee shirts, who knows what-all ?
All Oath Keepers has ever offered are tee shirts with the Lexington message on it, patches, shoulder tabs and window stickers of our patch. [So Far .... we hope to get more designs up sooner or later.]

You do recognize the reference don't you ?
It is a direct response to the SPLC sponsored DHS "Right Wing Extremist" Report that claimed that ALL returning combat veterans are "right wing extremists" .
Oath Keepers did not put up the post nor was it an official Oath Keepers position. We did not, however, take the post down either and mostly because we are largely a veterans organization and that "Report" was felt as a personal attack to a lot of us.

Oath Keepers is NON-political.
Here is a quote from a response I gave to an poster who claimed we were all Liberals ....

"We are not Liberals.

I think you May have missed the fact that Oath Keepers is Not political in mission.

Our mission, in case you missed it, is to Reach, Teach and Inspire any and all of those who have sworn to "support and defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic"  to actually Keep that Oath.

It makes not a whit of difference who is in the Oval Office or any other office for that matter.
If they took an Oath of office or Oath of service and that Oath included the passage above then they are oath takers.
If they are oath takers our aim is to get them to become Oath Keepers.

Oath Keepers the Organization is Not Political in that we do not use any label BUT Oath Keeper.

We are not Liberals, [although some Oath Keepers May Be Liberals]

We are not Conservatives [although some Oath Keepers May Be Conservatives] and

We are not Demopublicans or Republicrats. [although .... but by now you have gotten the general idea I'd wager.]

Oath Keepers has No Political Agenda beyond preserving our Constitution and its Constitutional Republic."



Now ....  About the Claims of the SPLC ....
IF I go to The website of the SPLC and advertise there my tee shirt store that sells tees that say Smart People Love Cockatiels .... does that mean that the entire SPLC organization is now endorsing a particular bird breed ?

But if I refer to that blurb on their website comments as the SPLC site "soon began hawking T-shirts with slogans like " ... Cockatiel's are all bird brained 1d1ot5"  does it actually make my statement true ? Just because I said it someplace else and I then refer to that [my own] statement as a reference towards validation of the slam ?
SEE How that works ?

I make something up and put it online.
Then I go someplace else and refer back to it as "Proof" of the false original statement.

Propaganda is all it is Joseph Goebbels would be proud. 

The folks at SPLC are nowadays little more than Fear Mongers.   Laugh at them.  It is better than they deserve.
To cry for them would be more fitting because they started SPLC with such High Ideals and now it has sunk so low and all in the quest for filthy lucre.
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2009, 08:05:04 pm »

"members of Oath Keepers, a newly formed group of law enforcement officers, military men and veterans, "muster" on April 19 to reaffirm their pledge to defend the U.S. Constitution."

Is this a paper defense because in order to defend the Constitution you will need men and women under arms and ready to fight right?

Simply educating the zombies will not defend it one bit as they will be so desperate for their welfare (health care, unemployment checks, etc...)  and handouts that they will defend their masters...

I do support and like the fact the message from OK is starting to show results, we need more Sheriff's under our belt...

Are you being intentionally dense ?

How many times do you have to hear the same message before you finally realize that that Is the message ?

You have become a laughingstock here with your apparently intentional and belligerent ignorance,  you know that right ?

Somebody send this person a map ... he's lost.
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2009, 09:40:09 pm »

  What really grates my gears is that some jackass from the SPLC will quote him as an example of how dangerous we all are.
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Re: SPLC Slams Oath Keepers
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2009, 01:51:34 am »

  What really grates my gears is that some jackass from the SPLC will quote him as an example of how dangerous we all are.

What grates me is the possibility that oxi works for the SPLC, the ADL, or some damned Federal agency. He simply cannot be as dense as he appears to be - we've told him over and over just what our mission is, what we're all about, and the ignorant sombitch continues to act like he's here to show us the way to everything on earth but the fulfillment of our mission. He wants Oath Keepers to "organize", to "do something". Any fool could finally get the message, after being told as many times as we've told oxi - so it's very obvious that he is either lower than a fool or is deliberately baiting Oath Keepers.  Personally, I'm tired of babying him. I may take his case up with Admins here on grounds of suspicion. At best, he's insensitive and has no intention of learning anything about Oath Keepers; at worst, he's a baiter.

Like, do we really need his kind of liability here? I doubt it. When we look at the mentailty which permeates the SPLC's published documents, it is very easy to imagine someone like oxi being sent here to set us up, to create more fuel for the SPLC's bonfire. It is just for this kind of reason that I'm glad Oath Keepers has shut down their national forum. Any idiot group like SPLC can send any willing idiot or over-zealous brain-damaged provocateur to anyone's respectable website and then use his postings to illustrate wildly-wrong interpretations of the intent of that website. Is that happening here?

oxi, what can you say for yourself?

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