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unspy

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VA Guide Urges Sick Vets To End Their Own Lives (video)
« on: August 25, 2009, 11:09:30 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WviKP23XyS8&feature=player_embedded

I have been refusing to publish blogs and member submitted videos
that show up at the OK NING site. Instead, I have been directed people
to post their stuff here (at Mental Militia Forums). Should I be directing
people some where else?
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Re: VA Guide Urges Sick Vets To End Their Own Lives (video)
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2009, 11:44:10 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WviKP23XyS8&feature=player_embedded

I have been refusing to publish blogs and member submitted videos
that show up at the OK NING site. Instead, I have been directed people
to post their stuff here (at Mental Militia Forums). Should I be directing
people some where else?


It would depend upon the subject matter Mark.

This particular subject would probably fit in General Discussion here on TMM.

Some of the "stuff" I have seen that people want to post has Nothing to do with Oath Keepers so I am continually asking myself why did they bring "that" here ?  and finding no answers of course.
Some seem to think if a subject mentions veterans or peace officers or the military or the Constitution then it must be a perfect fit.
Some seem to think we are about broadcasting every possible bad thing about the government they can find ... [Why is beyond me ...]
They really don't "get it" at all.

Even though we now have our "official" board  it is requested that folks HERE Please keep their discussion in the Oath Keepers section on the Oath Keepers goals and techniques.

I am gratified to see that we are beginning to accumulate a goodly number of folks who "do get it". 
It will make OUR jobs much easier.

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Re: VA Guide Urges Sick Vets To End Their Own Lives (video)
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 05:27:49 am »

That video is fine here.   On the ning site, it would be fine for a member to post in any state group, but not on the national page, unless I post it or approve of having Drew or Mark post it.. 

I think it shows what people can expect from socialized medicine, and also reflects the attitude toward veterans.  I have seen some ugly stuff in person.  Frankly, I think it is highly relevant. 

mark, you, me and Drew should do a three way call tomorrow to discuss a few thing regarding the ning site - logistics.  I'll email you both about it. 

I need to clarify for everyone what our policies are and why.  Many things are damn relevant but still need to be screened by me before being posted on the national site and on the ning national forum site, and thus, I will be the one posting (or Drew at my direction) everything on the national site and on the national level forum, except for outreach ideas and experience, and upcoming Oath Keepers events.  BUT on the state group sites, I don't mind if folks post much more freely, with it being up to each state director and the mods for that state to keep it at least somewhat relevant to our mission and to keep the amount of tangential posts to a low number.  That requires a balancing act and discretion.  I will also post about that. 

So, hard rules only apply to members posting on the national ning site (no one but me will be posting on the national site, so that is not really an issue)

Here, and at the state group level, it can be far more free wheeling. 

AND, if someone has something they would like posted either on the national main site or on the national forum on ning, they should message me about it.  If I think it should go up on either, I will post it or have Drew post it.  But I don't want anyone else doing that or making that call. 

Eventually, we'll likely add an "In the news" section on the ning national forum, but it will be only for articles I have decided to post there, and anyone who wants one posted, needs to contact me directly. 

I don't like having to do it that way, but it is necessary so that our message and especially our first impression on visiting military and police, is kept on point and likely to bring them into the fold.   Once they are in, and take part in state groups and come here, then it is fine to open the range of discussion a bit, but still keeping in mind our mission and the likely response of military and police to anything we say. 

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Re: VA Guide Urges Sick Vets To End Their Own Lives (video)
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 04:26:18 am »

Still lurking.  Still available.  :tinfoil:
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Re: VA Guide Urges Sick Vets To End Their Own Lives (video)
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 01:43:10 pm »

maltreatment and mistreatment of veterans is sadly nothing new..only thing that changes is the computers lose files now instead of people. How many remember being struck with a vicious and severe case of the "missing medical records"? If you want to watch the best movie I have seen on how it reflects how veterans are treated, try and get the movie "Article 99". Fiction never looked so real.

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Re: VA Guide Urges Sick Vets To End Their Own Lives (video)
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2009, 02:45:27 pm »

For any military members, here is some great advice. Anytime you can get your hands on your medical, or other official records, make a copy and turn it in. Especially, near retirement time, KEEP YOUR ORIGINAL RECORDS! I had my medical records 'lost' three times before I figured this out. Once, after 15 years of service, I went for a records review, prior to the promotion board. My OMPF was EMPTY! EVERTHING was gone! I know who was behind it, but I could never prove it. Fortunately, I had copes of all my records, (along with the originals) and was able to reconstruct my personnel file in one day.

A few months before I retired, I made several complete copies of my medical file at Kinkos. When notified that I needed to turn in my records, I handed in a record that was pure photocopies. The records specialist at the hospital said he couldn't take copies, he needed the original. I told him the originals had been 'lost' and that he could take the copy, or do without. He took the copy. Upon retirement, I was told that my records had been lost, AGAIN!! Thank God, I had been onto this tactic. I still have three separate copies in various locations, just in case. Remember, YOU are responsible for your records. If you let the system control them, you will get what you deserve. A good screwing over.
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