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byron mc

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`Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« on: July 07, 2008, 08:03:43 am »

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The governmental role that companies play online is taking on greater importance as their services - from online hangouts to virtual repositories of photos and video - become more central to public discourse around the world. It's a fallout of the Internet's market-driven growth, but possible remedies, including government regulation, can be worse than the symptoms.

Companies in charge of seemingly public spaces online wipe out content that's controversial but otherwise legal.


...general counsel with service provider GoDaddy.com Inc. "We're obviously sensitive to the freedoms we have, particularly in this country, to speak our mind, (yet) we want to be good corporate citizens and make the Internet a better and safer place."


Two lines criticizing President Bush disappeared from AT&T Inc.'s webcast of a Pearl Jam concert. All three decisions were reversed only after senior executives intervened amid complaints.


First Amendment protections generally do not extend to private property in the physical world, allowing a shopping mall to legally kick out a customer wearing a T-shirt


Community backlash can restrain service providers, but as Internet companies continue to consolidate and Internet users spend more time using vendor-controlled platforms such as mobile devices or social-networking sites, the community's power to demand free speech and other rights diminishes.

July 7 2008
http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/T/TEC_DISAPPEARING_FREEDOMS?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-07-06-14-17-49

These 'public spaces/communities' are owned by single corporations. So they are not a public place even though a 'cummunity' is fostered and becomes popular with millions of visits per day...
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free speech? Not if your employer sees it...
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 07:26:51 am »

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Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools officials have warned employees they could be fired if they make offensive posts on social networking sites such as Facebook.


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An elementary teacher was suspended last week and recommended for firing after she posted on her Facebook page that she was teaching "in the ghetto of Charlotte." Four other teachers faced milder penalties for pages that showed "poor judgment and bad taste."

Chief operating officer Hugh Hattabaugh wrote that inappropriate postings can hurt an employee's professional reputation and cost them the respect of colleagues, students and parents.

The teachers facing discipline did not use a privacy setting to block general access to their information.

NC teachers warned: Don't misbehave on Facebook
November 19, 2008
http://citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881119001


also see:
Facebook could cause "privacy chernobyls"
https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=17064.0
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`Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 05:45:22 pm »

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Federal Felony To Use Blogs, the Web, Etc. To Cause Substantial Emotional Distress Through "Severe, Repeated, and Hostile" Speech?
That's what a House of Representatives bill, proposed by Rep. Linda T. Sanchez and 14 others, would do.
the relevant text of the bill is at the link.
April 30, 2009
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_04_26-2009_05_02.shtml#1241122059
the bill:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1966:

This bill hinders free speech.



Not only can you not do it anonymously:
Annoying People Anonymously Over the Internet Now a Federal Crime - Jan. 2006
http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=16507.0

and a Maryland court has already set the standard this year:
Court sets standard for online anonymity protections
http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=20952.0
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Re: `Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 06:27:04 pm »

.com was originally delegated for commercial entities, .org for organizations and .net for networks, and that's why I specifically got the .org but not the .com when I registered TPoL........as TPoL is not a business, and business rules and law don't apply to organizations.........and the day will come when they'll shake those original TLD delegations in folks faces as justification to control their websites..............and if you're a .com............well, you're now a commercial entity covered under any and all laws that cover any and all other businesses.............
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Re: `Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 10:02:10 am »

Not that having a .org will make the slightest difference once they've decided PoL is a "terrorist" sympathizer... sigh
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Re: `Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 02:17:07 pm »

Yeah............but until they decide that..........they can't call it "a business" and attempt to regulate it out of existance or into a form to their liking..............
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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.

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Re: `Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 01:23:02 pm »

Time for more .lib, .ngo, or .free sites.  :laugh:

And the Gulchnet, home of the .gnu (govt not upheld).
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Re: `Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 04:02:35 pm »

There's a few alternative DNS systems out there....

I've been looking into them lately, and it seems the problem they're having is getting content providers interested in using the services.

My interest in this has mostly to do with gulchnet, and the possibility of not even using the mainstream (ICANN) dins system for the front side and back doors into gulchnet.

Maybe starting a .sec or .ssl  TLD designating that all sites using this TLD are SSL secured (https:).
What content would this new TLD carry?

Who knows and who cares, all that's important in this case is the fact that every site within this TLD be secured and running under https and it's similiarly secured ftp, smtp, pop3 and yada, yada, yada down the line, thus adding a "first level of trust" by default.
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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.

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Re: `Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 09:18:59 pm »

I remember seeing 'em back when, and was surprised at how few users there were.

Think I could host on delanion.com another site, say, delanion.gnu?
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Re: `Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 09:23:04 pm »

Heck............you could have both point to the same site if you wanted to
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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.

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Re: `Public' online spaces don't carry speech, rights
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2009, 03:59:06 pm »

That's more to the point, ZooT.




For those interested. The subject grows - Search Results:

    1. Alternative DNS root - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Internet uses a Domain Name System (DNS) root officially administered by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). In addition, several organizations operate alternative DNS roots (often referred to as alt roots). These alternative domain name systems operate their own root nameservers and administer their own specific name spaces consisting of custom top-level domains (TLDs).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root

2. DomainInformer : New Open Source DNS Server Released Today
Unbound – a new open source alternative to the BIND domain name system (DNS) server– makes its worldwide debut today with the public release of Unbound 1.0 at http://unbound ...
www.domaininformer.com/news/press/080520NewOpenSourceDNSServerReleased.html

3. A couple of alternative DNS servers [LWN.net]
A couple of alternative DNS servers ... Oak is written entirely in Python, with the result that it is portable to many systems ...
http://lwn.net/Articles/19954

4. Webminnew
A web-based interface for system administration for Unix. Setup user accounts, DNS, file sharing and the program is freeware.
www.webmin.com

5. Amazon.com: Alternative DNS Servers: Choice and Deployment, and ...

6. DietLinux
Tiny distribution based on alternative C library dietlibc by Felix von Leiter; Glibc is fully avoided; some of most important server daemons (DHCP, DNS) are working. Description, documents, downloads news.
http://lart.info/~bwachter/projects/dietlinux

7. Category:Alternative DNS roots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Alternative_DNS_roots

8. DNSSEC - The DNS Security Extensions - Protocol Home Page
Offers information about DNSSEC: Security Extensions for DNS. Includes DNSSEC projects, articles, news, developments, presentations, howto's and RFC's.
www.dnssec.net

9. Alternative DNS - Wikileaks
This site provides guidelines for using alternative DNS servers in countries implementing domain name based censoring systems. A DNS server is like a phone book that helps your ...
https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS

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first professional scientific organization based entirely in virtual worlds
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2009, 03:33:23 pm »

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Normally, virtual worlds are the setting of many online games and entertainment applications, but now they’re becoming a place for scientific collaboration and outreach, as well. A team of scientists from the California Institute of Technology, Princeton, Drexel University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have formed the first professional scientific organization based entirely in virtual worlds. Called the Meta Institute for Computational Astrophysics (MICA), the organization conducts professional seminars and popular lectures, among other events, for its growing membership.

MICA members from around the world can participate in informal discussions in virtual worlds.
August 4th, 2009
http://www.physorg.com/news168608901.html

MICA Website: http://www.mica-vw.org/

You must be a member already of the Second Life virtual world.
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You have to have a SL avatar; if you don't, go to Second Life to join (it is free),
Within SL, you can join the MICA group.
The rules of Second Life censors apply as does the censoring by Meta Institute for Computational Astrophysics.
I wonder if they will dismiss or remove scientists who do not share popular views on subjects and isolate these scientists?
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Judge Rules Web Commenter Will Be Unmasked to Mom of Criticized Teen
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2009, 10:02:34 am »


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An Illinois judge has decided that an anonymous commenter on a newspaper website will be unmasked,

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Village Trustee Lisa Stone should be told the name of the man she accuses of making defamatory online comments about her 15-year-old son, a judge ruled Monday in a case being watched for its Internet privacy implications.

At one point, the teen asked to know the poster's identity and challenged him to debate the issues in person.

Declining an invitation to pay a visit, Hipcheck16 posted a response that said, according to court documents, "Seems like you're very willing to invite a man you only know from the Internet over to your house -- have you done it before, or do they usually invite you to their house?"
Nov 9, 2009
http://www.abajournal.com/news/web_commenter_to_be_unmasked_to_mom_of_criticized_teen/
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/11/trustee-may-learn-identify-of-anonymous-internet-poster.html

This is becoming a bread-and-butter libel-&-slander-type court case.
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