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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2011, 04:07:44 am »

Definately rural areas, and try not to be near any resource the military may need.   Suppose you are the general in charge of supply, now figure out how you are going to MAKE the B 3 that your Division/ OMG is going to need to maintain security for the USA............

Ranchers and Farmers with an Mini-Industrial setup are going to be the ones used for the Beans.   I would Imagine that a lot of the munitions plants are going to end up "Drafted"  by one regional commander ot another.   Which doctors had their schooloing paid for by Uncle Sam?  Them and their families will be among those moved into the spare officer housing on base, and good luck finding an operational emergency room anywhere besides a military base............

FEMA could not get of the dime for Nawlins.........The military had no problems at all to speak of, who do you think is gonna get it together quicker, or ensure their capability better in a "Slip and fall" situation..........  Also FEMA may think they can give orders and be obeyed, but can they back those orders up?   The military can.
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2011, 09:24:40 am »

I curious as to how many think the "Military" will stick where they are? If they have family and a full tank of gas - they are going home.

It seems to me that there is less cohesion and more fracturing among the Unit's these days (not deployed to active kinetic actions that is). Some Military Members are a different breed vs WWII "I'll take one for my Buddies" kind of thing. The less .gov gives (Healthcare, Advancement, Retirement Bennies, PX Access) the less loyalty felt toward them.

The standard E-1 out of Navy/Air Force boot camp has probably been to the Range once and if they are not "re-upped" the likely hood that they have any true experience with weapons/tactics is not very high. Now Marines are a different story and I don't remember the Army specifications for Rifle/Weapon Training.

Because the ratio tends to be a 80% - 20% (with 20% being E-6 or O-4 above) - and the 80% is thinking "Not me" - it would be interesting to see what TPTB can do. Of course there are more Combat Vets now, but rotation still has many of them overseas on their 3rd,4th or 5th trip.Ex-servicemembers may or may not feel a loyalty to .gov depending on how they viewed their hitch - wonder if there has been a study on that.....

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irt CFAOs - most keep enough on hand feed for a week or so. Depending on water, that may have to be moved in as well. Then account in the amount of fuel necessary to keep some livestock alive during cool/hot/enclosed times.  I see the feed lots/commercial pig groups/hatcheries losing a lot of numbers very fast. (Example: Large Turkey die off due to heat this year in Kansas, Minnesota=50K, etc.)

I'm worried more about the pre-Golden hoard being pushed out by the negative elements of society in large cities.

I vote for Rural even if you are within a few hours of a military base.





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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2011, 11:05:28 am »

Them and their families will be among those moved into the spare officer housing on base, and good luck finding an operational emergency room anywhere besides a military base..........

**Most bases have civilian ran housing anymore- and there are rarely openings, much less separation for officer/enlisted housing. You will find that 05+ is the only rank separated from everyone else.

**There are quite a few military hospitals that do NOT have an ER. If they do it is very limited as to what they can handle.
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2011, 10:39:26 pm »

Just playing devils advocate.


Alot of military have families that live on or near a post as well, probably wouldn't show up for state-side offense in the crunch, and would more than likely be rushing home to protect their own.
Granted there are single guys, a*holes and higher ups with no heart. But you'd be surprised to find out just how many service members have like-minded ideas about the way things are, and realize they are just pawns.

Ron Paul is one of the most popular political figure to the military right now according to some surveys.  Now as to exactly why (Going home Vs, Constitutionality Vs.  ?)  is anyones guess.

I am no longer in contact with the active duty folks but another thing that they seem to like about Ron Paul is the "Bring Them All Home" position he has on closing down all of the 730+ military installations we have world-wide.
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2011, 11:57:08 am »

Just playing devils advocate.


Alot of military have families that live on or near a post as well, probably wouldn't show up for state-side offense in the crunch, and would more than likely be rushing home to protect their own.
Granted there are single guys, a*holes and higher ups with no heart. But you'd be surprised to find out just how many service members have like-minded ideas about the way things are, and realize they are just pawns.

Ron Paul is one of the most popular political figure to the military right now according to some surveys.  Now as to exactly why (Going home Vs, Constitutionality Vs.  ?)  is anyones guess.

I am no longer in contact with the active duty folks but another thing that they seem to like about Ron Paul is the "Bring Them All Home" position he has on closing down all of the 730+ military installations we have world-wide.

Ron Paul is a muslim-boot licker. No Active Duty folks that we know (who pay attention) would support this man.
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2011, 01:35:37 pm »

Just playing devils advocate.


Alot of military have families that live on or near a post as well, probably wouldn't show up for state-side offense in the crunch, and would more than likely be rushing home to protect their own.
Granted there are single guys, a*holes and higher ups with no heart. But you'd be surprised to find out just how many service members have like-minded ideas about the way things are, and realize they are just pawns.

Ron Paul is one of the most popular political figure to the military right now according to some surveys.  Now as to exactly why (Going home Vs, Constitutionality Vs.  ?)  is anyones guess.

I am no longer in contact with the active duty folks but another thing that they seem to like about Ron Paul is the "Bring Them All Home" position he has on closing down all of the 730+ military installations we have world-wide.

Ron Paul is a muslim-boot licker. No Active Duty folks that we know (who pay attention) would support this man.

Strong words.
Can you provide any "Proof" of his "muslim-boot licker"-ness ?
What is a "muslim-boot licker" exactly?
I have never even heard him speak on the subject of the religion of Islam.
Strong claims require strong "proofs".
I'll be glad to wait while you assemble those proofs.

Perhaps those in the military who are "invested" in their careers and pensions and would be afraid of losing their pensions or bene's by returning to the states would be against his "Pull them out now" & "Bring them home now" messages.

I'll grant that he is a statist. He happens to be a constitutionalist who claims to believe that the Republic can be restored to its Minimalist state providing the people of this country agree and support that idea.

That he is a "muslim-boot licker"  sounds like an extreme right-wing label provided by the military-industrial-congressional-cabal for those who are not "authorized" to think for themselves.
He is after all pretty blatantly against that cabal and it would remove a LOT of power and influence from the military if he were successful in his bid for office.

You Might want to start a new thread if and when you get those "proofs" assembled so as to not Jack this thread any farther.
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2011, 01:36:31 pm »

Just playing devils advocate.


Alot of military have families that live on or near a post as well, probably wouldn't show up for state-side offense in the crunch, and would more than likely be rushing home to protect their own.
Granted there are single guys, a*holes and higher ups with no heart. But you'd be surprised to find out just how many service members have like-minded ideas about the way things are, and realize they are just pawns.

Ron Paul is one of the most popular political figure to the military right now according to some surveys.  Now as to exactly why (Going home Vs, Constitutionality Vs.  ?)  is anyones guess.

I am no longer in contact with the active duty folks but another thing that they seem to like about Ron Paul is the "Bring Them All Home" position he has on closing down all of the 730+ military installations we have world-wide.

Ron Paul is a muslim-boot licker. No Active Duty folks that we know (who pay attention) would support this man.

Minding one's own business is "boot licking?"

None of the active duty folks that I know (who definitely pay attention) believe the "oh noes the mooslims r guna git us with sharia law!!!" hysteria.

In 2008, he got more donations from active duty military than ALL the other 2008 candidates COMBINED.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00005906

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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2011, 01:40:47 pm »

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Ron Paul is a muslim-boot licker.
Oh wow! I sure haven't seen anything about that, but maybe you could help me out with some links? I've still got a few friends who are AD and they actually like the concept of Ron Paul. In fact it was recently pointed out that he has the highest Donations of those running.

I didn't realize there was an issue, but I'd be interested in what angle this comes from.

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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2011, 04:03:41 pm »

Yes, please, start a new thread if we're going to discuss RP and the Muslim angle.  Do Muslims wear boots? <ducking.....>
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2011, 03:46:11 am »

Just playing devils advocate.


Alot of military have families that live on or near a post as well, probably wouldn't show up for state-side offense in the crunch, and would more than likely be rushing home to protect their own.
Granted there are single guys, a*holes and higher ups with no heart. But you'd be surprised to find out just how many service members have like-minded ideas about the way things are, and realize they are just pawns.

Ron Paul is one of the most popular political figure to the military right now according to some surveys.  Now as to exactly why (Going home Vs, Constitutionality Vs.  ?)  is anyones guess.

I am no longer in contact with the active duty folks but another thing that they seem to like about Ron Paul is the "Bring Them All Home" position he has on closing down all of the 730+ military installations we have world-wide.

Ron Paul is a muslim-boot licker. No Active Duty folks that we know (who pay attention) would support this man.

Thank you for another reminder why I don't support the military.
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2011, 12:52:25 pm »

Bennie,

mommahen is definitely NOT representative of the majority of the military. [see the links posted by mutti and Klapton above]


MommaHen,

I still await those "proofs" or any evidence not provided by "Command" on the post where you are assigned. [IE: Independent Personal Thought and Opinion arrived at independently.]
Or is there a new thread someplace?
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2011, 02:44:01 pm »

Gooch,

I have no doubt that there ARE many people in the military who are of the Islamaphobic-conservative camp.  For people who believe in the "creeping sharia law" boogie-man, anything other than blowing them up is "muslim boot-licking."  I'm sure they exist, but they obviously aren't supporting Cain or Santorum the way the non-assholes are supporting Ron Paul.
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2011, 04:39:20 pm »

Gooch,

I have no doubt that there ARE many people in the military who are of the Islamaphobic-conservative camp.  For people who believe in the "creeping sharia law" boogie-man, anything other than blowing them up is "muslim boot-licking."  I'm sure they exist, but they obviously aren't supporting Cain or Santorum the way the non-assholes are supporting Ron Paul.

I guess I was just astonished at the vehemence with which the position was expressed.

First because I had never heard of that particular mindset and ...
second because of the large number of active duty service members who have openly supported Dr Paul in his efforts.

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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2011, 05:05:34 pm »

I had never heard of that particular mindset

It's pretty common on conservative-type "liberty" forums.  It was showing up on the Oathkeepers forum a lot, but I think they got tired of me and a couple other people calling them bigots and asking them very pointedly what they think we should actually DO to counter the sharia law "threat."  Invariably their answers (when they dared to give one) involved violating the first amendment rights of Muslims.
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Re: Life near military installations. What if?
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2011, 02:49:08 am »

Bennie,

mommahen is definitely NOT representative of the majority of the military. [see the links posted by mutti and Klapton above]


I donated to Paul in 2008 and have made a couple of donations towards the present campaign. I am aware of the support the military gave him in '08 and at present. Actually I am a "fan" (for lack of a better word) of Paul since the 80's. He isn't everything I could hope for in the grand scheme of things, but my reality thinks there will be a federal government no matter what, so I'd like to see him seated at the head of that particular table.

The military is voluntary. Whether MommaHen is representative or not, of the majority of the military, is not my concern. She is free to think whatever she wants. I am not supportive of the military for the same reason I don't support the police. One bad apple spoils the barrel. There are hundreds of thousands of volunteers who truly believe they are my savior because they go off to invade foreign lands in the name of my freedom and liberty, while killing millions of innocents in the name of christianity. Then they get out of the military and become cops so they can break peoples doors down and shoot their dachsunds, or kick a schizophenic's head in until it looks like vomited bacon and eggs.

Government, politicians, military, and law enforcement .......... what a bunch of hateful jokesters. :angry: 

I find Ron Paul to be the least tainted apple in the barrel, and who maintains some decency about him. MammaHen can say what she wants. Assholes and opinions...we all got them.
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