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[Mountain Prepper]

Are we all done then with the "Ron Paul is a Muslim boot-licker" discussion? Would seem to be, since mamahen declines to discuss it really.

Reminds me of an old story:

The preacher was talking to the congregation about adopting a new version of the Bible. One old lady stood up and shouted at him, "If the King James was good enough for Moses, it's good enough for me."
 
Just can't talk to some people. sigh

Its not that I don't care to discuss further, but I already know that I will never be able to "speak my mind" on the issue here at TMM. I know I'm the only one sitting in this camp, and anything I add will not be helpful to anyone but continue to make people angry, or like me less. I've already stated my basic beliefs. Sharia Law, and Islam (true islam) is a very dangerous belief system. If a Muslim needed my assistance I would gladly offer them my helping hand, I would show love and compassion. That doesn't mean I would ever trust them, or turn my back on them for a moment. Muslims are a threat. I personally have had friends and family killed by Muslims (both stateside and overseas) Link: http://homelandsecurityus.com/special-investigative-reports/personal-islamic-jihad-on-the-streets-of-america See Trolly Square* incident. So my views are tainted and will forever be so.

I am sorry, I wish this weren't the case, and my life had not brought me to the conclusion that I'm at. But this is where I stand right now.

To tie it to Ron Paul, so many believe in him and trust his every word...I wish he had not said that Muslims aren't a threat.

When you take in the greater picture, Ron Paul has been very consistent when I have listened and researched this issue I found Paul’s position to be reasonable and of course very well researched - I may not agree - but that is my particular disagreements with some aspects with libertarian thought.

Islam is a very dangerous belief system, all delusion that has some commandments from an invisible supernatural sprit are dangerous.

Like you I have suffered greatly at the hands of the religious - because of religion. In my case it was christians, and like you I do not trust them because of what they will do and will never fully feel safe turning my back on them. I recognize the dangers inherent in their religion and know what they can do in the name of that religion. Very dangerous stuff.

[jamie]

Sorry gooch, I didn't use the /sarcasm   /sarcasm flags.

I attempted but clearly missed making the point that Ron Paul points out, as l learned for myself, that the US government's horrible foreign policy is certainly and directly responsible for making a lot of Muslims extremely angry with us.  It's not that "they hate is for our freedoms."  Some of them hate us because we killed their family, their friends, their neighbors.  They have good reasons to be angry.

If that makes Ron Paul, and me, a "muslim-boot licker," so be it.

I'm not writing to attack MommaHen.   She is entitled to her opinion, and made it clear that she doesn't want to debate. I'm writing to people whose minds aren't made up. I'm writing because there is only one politician running for president who is advocating an end to aggressive, endless wars.  Wars that we can no longer afford, and that are evil beyond all reckoning.  He is no pacifist, but he does think we should mind our own business.  I suspect he is the last hope for a peaceful restoration of the republic and our freedoms.

Peace,

Silver

RP is the only hope if there is any at all.

[gaurdduck]

Again- I think all muslims are a threat,

I'm honestly curious just how you see all Muslims as a threat to you and your family. How do you see any of them presenting that threat, let alone all of them? I can understand the fear if a family member or friend is caught up in the "war" in the Mideast, but how can the people there threaten you where you are now? I think that might help us to understand.

I'd like to know also. The Muslims I knew in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia never seemed like threats to me.

I have some Muslim friends too... From a wide variety of places... Mindanao, Riyadh, Turkey, Pakistan, Yemen (they came here long before that was a hotspot, wonderful people), Indonesia, Malaysia, etc... An outcast eats lunch with the ones that don't speak much English because they can't tease you.

[Rarick]

Ok, now maybe we're getting somewhere.

I think the religion of Islam is a "threat" as well. Always have. So is communism, socialism, nazism and any other bloody religion or such belief system. And that includes Democrats, Republicans, and anyone else who thinks they should tell others what to do and steal their stuff.

We live on this earth with an awful lot of people who share those aggressive beliefs and quite a few who actively practice them.

My response is to own my life, be responsible for it, stay aware and not be taken in by any of their pleas that they can control my life better than I can.

I can't do a single thing about the religion of Islam or any of the rest of them. And I won't go through life judging people around me by what religion they belong to either. You shall know them by their fruits and trust is indeed earned. But I will not refuse to consider it based on simply a label. 

Those who attempt to aggress against me and my community... them I will fight, no matter who they are. Those who treat me as a sovereign individual will have my cooperation, if nothing else.  And that seems to be Dr. Paul's position as well. It's hardly a blanket acceptance of Islam.

Mainly this^.   Modified by the knowledge that some people Identify more as belonging to a group, and will frequently follow those "Group Rules".  So if someone identifie themselves as being of the Islamic faith, I will be careful around them until I know them Individually.  If they are Wahabi, Talibani or any other agressive sect, depending on circumstances, I may get preemptive...........    Just like dealing with "True Belivers" from the Christian faith...........

I tend to look at a military base as either a liability if it is a base the military will consolidate to, or a resource if it is one that is likely to be abandoned.  If things happen fast the base may end up abandoned a lot faster than tools, fuel, and materials can be removed........   You are not going to find weapons and ammo, but you can find a lot of other useful stuff if they close down in a hurry.   

[vicsannabelle]

We live near Ft Bragg, and I thought, when TSHTF we would be safer than in most places. E.g., in the event of rioting and looting, the military would come in and restore order to protect the troops and their families that live in town (there are a lot of them!) The posts on this site seem to suggest the opposte: that we need to fear marauding gangs of heavily armed troops roaming neighborhoods looking for food and resources for their own families. I can see that maybe later, but initially I think it would be safer. Even martial law and curfews would be preferable to gangs of unprepared people going from house to house, trying to rob, steal, maybe even kill.   

[MamaLiberty]

We live near Ft Bragg, and I thought, when TSHTF we would be safer than in most places. E.g., in the event of rioting and looting, the military would come in and restore order to protect the troops and their families that live in town (there are a lot of them!) The posts on this site seem to suggest the opposte: that we need to fear marauding gangs of heavily armed troops roaming neighborhoods looking for food and resources for their own families. I can see that maybe later, but initially I think it would be safer. Even martial law and curfews would be preferable to gangs of unprepared people going from house to house, trying to rob, steal, maybe even kill.

We intend to defend ourselves. If you feel better trusting the military, etc... your choice. Your life.  You have to define "safe" for yourself. I suspect we have a different definition, that's all.

"The marauding gangs of heavily armed troops roaming neighborhoods..." is happening right now in many cities. They're still called "the police."

I'd suggest you do a lot more reading here if you truly want to join the discussion and possibly entertain some new ideas. Or not... again, your choice.   And yeah, "martial law and curfews" would be so neat... Not going to get much traction with that idea around here, I'm afraid.

[Lonewolf72]

We live near Ft Bragg, and I thought, when TSHTF we would be safer than in most places. E.g., in the event of rioting and looting, the military would come in and restore order to protect the troops and their families that live in town (there are a lot of them!) The posts on this site seem to suggest the opposte: that we need to fear marauding gangs of heavily armed troops roaming neighborhoods looking for food and resources for their own families. I can see that maybe later, but initially I think it would be safer. Even martial law and curfews would be preferable to gangs of unprepared people going from house to house, trying to rob, steal, maybe even kill.   

Ask tho people in New Orleans how that worked for them after Katrina.