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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2011, 08:29:51 am »

Some say GSS.  Gut Shoot and Shut up.  That way, they run a long ways off and nature takes its course.
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2011, 12:16:31 pm »

Some say GSS.  Gut Shoot and Shut up.  That way, they run a long ways off and nature takes its course.

Yep... who wants to do all that shoveling?
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2011, 03:17:37 pm »

And it seems to me that the wolves would take care of their own, so to speak.

After all, if they'll tear open a pregnant elk cow to get at her baby, who says they won't eat one of their own who's debilitated?
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2011, 06:11:25 pm »

Hunters have been threatened in Montana and Idaho recently also. Some dead wolves resulted.   


Wolf experience on Vancouver Island holds harsh lesson

Dave Workman
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner
November 25, 2011

   A newly-published essay about wolf predation on Vancouver Island by renowned Canadian researcher Valerius Geist — an authority on deer and other wildlife — is raising eyebrows and some hackles among Northwest outdoorsmen and women.

 Geist offers some facts and personal observations about wolves that the reintroduction advocates seem to overlook, but that have elk and deer hunters alarmed.

  He writes:

Nothing in my previous studies had prepared me for what I was to experience with wolves on Vancouver Island beginning in 1999. In my student days, in the late 1950s, wolves on Vancouver Island were so scarce that some thought they were extinct. In the early 1970s they reappeared and swept the island. The annual hunter-harvest of black-tailed deer dropped swiftly from about 25,000 to less than 3,000 today. There were incidents of wolves threatening people, and a colleague, treed by a pack, clammed up as nobody believed it. Wolves threatening people? Ridiculous!    ...<snip>...


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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2011, 11:58:33 am »

I'm not entirely familiar with EG and EM worms, but there are others native to my own native lands that can usually be found in cysts in pork fat of pigs improperly raised (they look like black larva squirming out of an opened cyst, and look like black fluid when cracked open after thorough cooking of the fat and are said to be crunchy to the point of making a gnashing of teeth feeling in your mouth if chewed on.  I've never had the displeasure of doing so, but always check my pork when eating it.  Looks like now I have to check my beef too.  F*** bast***s!!!!!!

That said, if the worm spread is true, then the best solution to dealing with wolf carcasses is not to GSS or SSS it is SBIS  (shoot, burn it, and shut the **** up!)  Short of protein prions, just about everything else in nature can be easily killed by thorough burning.  That way, if the wolf is infected, it doesn't run the risk of infecting the rest of them who may or may not be infected yet.

I hear howling in the distance, so I can't tell for sure if there's wolves around, but some of the dogs in these parts have taken to howling at various periods of time.  If they're anything as big and vicious as the German shepherds and malamutes around these parts, it makes me doubly happy that I always have a gun on me and that I'm a pretty good shot.  I ain't dyin' for these morons' feel good scams.  My life and my health is more important than all of them, and I aim to keep it for as long as I can.

For those of us who like exercising with our dogs, we now have to be extra careful since dogs eat other dogs shit (also true for cat crap and bunny crap too) all of which have various types of worms.  As if such lovelies as Toxoplasmosis weren't bad enough, now we gotta worry about reintroduced parasitic plagues, eh?

And there's probably stuff around lying in hiding and watching for sure, my dog freaks at night and stares into the dark for long pauses in our strolls.  I get worried that its mountain cats, but if its wolves, that's doubly dangerous.  Kitties are bigger and nastier 1 on 1, but wolves are even nastier many on 1.  As if coyotes slaughtering livestock and house pets on the east coast wasn't bad enough, damn bureaucrats had to reinfest clean areas with wolves.

What a crock!
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2011, 03:58:21 pm »

I do not know if it is a local myth or not, but I was taught long ago that if you ever saw a Wolf- it was too late.   He has let you see him because the Stalk has begun.  You best chance is to get up the nearest solid tree fast and shoot the wolves as they try and climb.   If you don't have a gun, call yourself Alpo and see if you can't find a dead branch to make a club...............

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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2011, 08:58:45 pm »

I saw a later, better written version, if I can find it I will post it.

When all the game is gone, then they starting attacking people!
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> Bob,
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> This was sent to me by a friend from Cottonwood:
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> This email should be read by anyone who hunts, camps, or spends any
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> amount of time in the woods in northern Idaho.
> Last night I received a
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> phone call from my mother who lives in Headquarters. She informed me
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> that on Sunday while bow hunting she was attacked by a wolf. A few of
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> you know that she is not your typical mother or grandmother. She has
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> worked as a professional hunting guide for many years, so she has spent
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> many hours in the woods. She has seen wolfs on many occasions and this
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> is the first time one came at her. She said as soon as the wolf saw her
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> it charged.She was able to drop her bow, draw her 44 mag out of its
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> holster, and put 1 round in the wolfs head at a range of a few feet.
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> Please let any of your family and friends know of this so they can take
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> whatever precautions needed while out in the woods. If any of you have
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> any questions please feel free to call me. Thank's
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2011, 08:35:25 am »

That wolf picture isn't scaling well.  That wolf was almost as big as her..... by the look of (the tiny) it.
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2011, 11:26:14 pm »


When do wolves become dangerous to humans?

When they drink a lot.

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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2011, 07:44:35 pm »

 

A schoolteacher from Pennsylvania, out jogging in the Alaska wilderness with a headset playing music...  Dare I ask whether she was armed?  No, sorry I asked, of course not.  Click on the pdf, it is interesting.
 
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Statement in final paragraph are misleading.  Wolves are predators with
packs  known to circle an individual, or single animals to track and
threateningly follow people who are walking.  Basically they are hunting as
for prey.  Excuses should not be made to sanitize them in comparison with
other wild animals as being no more dangerous. Wolves are hungers/predators.
Bears generally attack to protect their young as do moose.  Moose are not
meat eating predators killing people for consumption. Clarice

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:22 PM

Subject: Wolf kills girl in Alaska 3-8-2010 confirmed by Fish and Game

PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release: December 6, 2011
CONTACT: Lem Butler, 907-861-2105
ADF&G Report Confirms 2010 Wolf Attack Fatality Juneau - Today, the Alaska
Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) released a report presenting findings
related to the March 8, 2010, wolf attack that killed 32-year-old Candice
Berner near the village of Chignik Lake on the Alaska Peninsula. The report
summarizes agency response and subsequent investigation.
"All lines of evidence are consistent with the conclusion that two or more
wolves killed Ms. Berner. The tragic encounter occurred as she jogged down
the road less than two miles from the village," said Lem Butler, principal
investigator for ADF&G, and one of four authors of the report.

ADF&G's investigation included on-scene evaluation of wolf tracks,
interviews of those first to arrive at the scene, collection of wolves from
the nearby area, and analyses of DNA and of other forensic evidence. Wolf
DNA was recovered from the victim and her clothing. DNA test results
provided by the U.S. Geological Survey lab in Anchorage indicated that two
to four wolves were most likely involved, excluded other animals, and
connected one of the wolves killed by the department to the incident.

The broader investigation indicated Ms. Berner was on the road, likely
jogging away from town, while the wolves traveled toward town by moving
along the road and openings in the brush. It could not be determined if this
was a surprise encounter for both Ms. Brenner and the wolves, but evidence
clearly shows a predatory response from the wolves.

ADF&G personnel and Alaska State Troopers shot two wolves and contracted
trappers later killed six more within 15 miles of the village. The wolves
were taken for public safety and for evaluation of biological factors that
may have been associated with the attack.
ADF&G veterinarian Dr. Kimberlee Beckmen performed necropsies and collected
samples for disease testing and DNA analyses on each of the eight wolves
taken. One wolf was clearly implicated in the attack through DNA evidence.
It was in apparent good health with very large fat reserves. All but two
wolves were in good to excellent condition. There was no DNA evidence
linking the two wolves in poor condition to the attack. Investigators found
no evidence in any of the wolves of contributing factors to the attack such
as rabies, disease, defense of food, or habituation to human food.

"We hope that the report's findings help bring closure to Ms. Berner's
family, to the community of Chignik Lake and others affected by this sad
incident." said Butler. He also pointed out that wolf attacks on humans are
rare and people should not be unnecessarily fearful. People should always
maintain a safe distance and healthy respect when encountering wolves or
other wild animals. Bear and moose encounters pose more risk to travelers in
Alaska than wolves, but all wild animals can be unpredictable. Bob Berner,
Candice Berner's father, said he hopes that people will learn from his
daughter's death through an increased awareness of the potential danger and
by taking steps to increase safety. "People should be mindful of the
potential harm that wolves and other wild animals are capable of
inflicting," he said.

The report, "Findings Related to the March 2010 Fatal Wolf Attack Near
Chignik Lake, Alaska" is available at:

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/home/news/pdfs/wolfattackfatality.pdf.

Additional information on safety in wolf country is available at:
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=livewith.wolves.
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2011, 09:44:56 am »

Obviously the School Teacher failed to realize what kind of environment she was in and failt to adapt.   Evolution happened.
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2011, 01:33:28 pm »

Okay, in the wild woods of eastern europe, you would always get this answer if asking about wolves:

"Wolves kill for sport and pleasure as much as for food.  Regardless of their reasons, if a wolf pack comes to eat one of your sheep or cows, it will kill many more and leave them there, with few if anything eaten.  If you see them, kill them, they're not just dangerous, they're aggressive and dangerous."

Period.  On the upside, destruction of such dangers has resulted in stupid people presuming that safety is a naturally existing condition, instead of a state of mind you work at, practice, and implement.
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2011, 01:50:39 pm »

This government school teacher no doubt imbibed the lies and propaganda concerning wolves that the enviros have been so diligently promoting.    We are told they are a part of the natural world and play an important role in the balance of nature and -we assure you- are no threat to humans in North America.  And, Aww... aren't they cute?
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2011, 03:27:56 pm »

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This government school teacher no doubt imbibed the lies and propaganda concerning wolves that the enviros have been so diligently promoting.    We are told they are a part of the natural world and play an important role in the balance of nature and -we assure you- are no threat to humans in North America.  And, Aww... aren't they cute?

Damn right.  Plus, asserting your dominance with certain animals as a researcher is one thing, when you are someone not entirely alert because researchers of that type have taught everyone that everything and everywhere is safe, and responsibility is against the law, you discover that wolves don't give a damn about the law and since they're pack hunters, eventually they explore bipeds as prey.

Just because dogs are cute and sweet, wolves are neither.  They look pretty, they are admirable pictures on shirts (they are gorgeous) but they represent nothing more than actual, living, very dangerous predatory organisms.  While your dog will be happy to obey your orders and will spend lots of time trying to persuade you to feed it, even starving half to death while it begs, the wolf, on the other hand, has adequate genetic programming to realize that you are a source of food whether it eats the liverwurst in your hand, or the liver in your body, both are equally good sources of nutrition.

The only thing that might persuade it to go for the liverwurst versus the internally housed liver, is the adequate armaments in your hands, and the knowledge that humans can and do kill wolves.
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Re: When do wolves become dangerous to humans?
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2012, 08:22:18 am »

I decided to give a hand and sent a post into social bookmarks. I hope the popularity will rise in.
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