The Mental Militia Forums

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Pages: 1 [2] 3   Go Down

Author Topic: Survival Vehicle  (Read 20548 times)

gaurdduck

  • Guest
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2010, 02:48:06 am »

Logged

S. Jester

  • Sovereign Anarchist
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3091
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2010, 01:11:38 pm »

If you want a diesel, you may want to consider having a Toyota with a diesel.

http://www.toyotadiesel.com/

Don't forget to sign the petition.

http://www.petitiononline.com/TOYD4D/

Let the company know that there are people willing to buy their trucks with diesel engine.


S.
Logged
"Humanity wouldn't so bad if it weren't for the People"   -Me

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws." –Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor; and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.  - Robert A. Heinlein

Winston

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 476
  • Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2010, 09:52:44 pm »

To expand on the above post....

What's the opinion around here regarding a pre-84 HiLux diesel? Seems like it would be a rock solid survival vehicle to me but I know squat about cars and trucks...
Logged

Shanks Mare

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 697
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2010, 10:46:39 pm »

A survival rig???

Lets get thinking Smart folks....

There is only one rig out there that has multiple parts available,  cross reference-able, parts will fit cars or trucks, and parts are interchangeable for several years.

From the late 60's to the early 90's, full size chevy's trucks, cars, suv's can interchange quite a few parts.

A good survival rig is something that you can find parts for, even after the the parts house is closed. Chevy's fit the bill like no other rig, or family of rigs out there. You can pull the engine out of a late 60's camaro and bolt it directly into a chevy pick up, several years later in model. The engine mount, the transmission ARE THE SAME.

Here's an example;

One SINGE year of fords may have THREE different bearings in the front end alone, the same rig might have one of three different starters, and not one will interchange with the other.....IS THAT A SURVIVAL RIG?

That was one department that Rawles missed it in his book. Nobody would use a ford as a basis for a survival rig.

Don't believe me? Just get on a phone and try and find parts for any chevy full sized 4X4 with a 350 cid engine in the years I listed....then try and find the same parts for a comparable ford or dodge......if you can find them, the price will be more.

Choose wisely.
Logged
The man who follows the crowd will usually get no further than the crowd

Mr. Dare

  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3491
  • My Strawman will beat hell out of yours any day!
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2010, 08:20:03 am »

To expand on the above post....

What's the opinion around here regarding a pre-84 HiLux diesel? Seems like it would be a rock solid survival vehicle to me but I know squat about cars and trucks...
  Any ideas on where to find one? If you can find one that the frame isn't rusted through on, they are great little trucks. Parts may be a little tough to locate, but with proper care you shouldn't need much to keep it running. A friend of mine had (has?) one that the rust finally killed. With 200,000 plus miles on it it still got nearly 55mpg around town.
Logged
"He's no fun, he fell right over!"
"I've got Deku Nuts coming outta my ass and I still can't kill this bastard!!!" (my sweet wife...)
"The road to Hell is paved with happy plans..."
"I do not avoid Twinkies, Duck, but I do deny them my essence." Joel

Winston

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 476
  • Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2010, 12:35:46 pm »

To expand on the above post....

What's the opinion around here regarding a pre-84 HiLux diesel? Seems like it would be a rock solid survival vehicle to me but I know squat about cars and trucks...
  Any ideas on where to find one? If you can find one that the frame isn't rusted through on, they are great little trucks. Parts may be a little tough to locate, but with proper care you shouldn't need much to keep it running. A friend of mine had (has?) one that the rust finally killed. With 200,000 plus miles on it it still got nearly 55mpg around town.

Oh I haven't got a clue, I've been keeping an eye out for something like it though. Did see a decent "fixer uper" J20 for $3000...but found out they get like 8-10 MPG so I let that go...

 I'll probably just settle for a Tacoma.
Logged

gaurdduck

  • Guest
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2010, 02:11:30 pm »

I wonder if a Jeepney could be converted to good use as a survival vehicle? They do carry a lot, and the older ones are all-terrain. They typically run on diesel or gasoline, and some are now produced as hybrids. Removing the decorations and giving it a flat camo paint job could really make it into a great vehicle to have around if you got a large family or taking some seats out to make room for supplies, maybe mount a gun on top? These things are modified to begin with so making modifications shouldn't be that complicated. It's the front end of the old US military jeeps from WWII, with an extended chassis and more carrying capacity.

This:
http://jeepney.man.freeservers.com/x53.jpg
« Last Edit: December 11, 2010, 02:19:09 pm by Pirate King Luffy »
Logged

S. Jester

  • Sovereign Anarchist
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3091
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2010, 04:43:35 pm »

Pirate,

Linky doesn't work. Got an alternate?


S.
Logged
"Humanity wouldn't so bad if it weren't for the People"   -Me

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws." –Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor; and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.  - Robert A. Heinlein

gaurdduck

  • Guest
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2010, 05:06:47 pm »

http://lotushaus.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/11/jeepney.gif

Not unrelated, there's a really awesome song about this too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULcHyo1MSxI&feature=related
It's a love song about how a girl riding in the back of a Jeepney falls in love at first sight with another passenger...
« Last Edit: December 11, 2010, 05:29:31 pm by Pirate King Luffy »
Logged

Bear

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7943
  • Curious Bear
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2010, 10:22:01 am »

A survival rig???

Lets get thinking Smart folks....

There is only one rig out there that has multiple parts available,  cross reference-able, parts will fit cars or trucks, and parts are interchangeable for several years.

From the late 60's to the early 90's, full size chevy's trucks, cars, suv's can interchange quite a few parts.

A good survival rig is something that you can find parts for, even after the the parts house is closed. Chevy's fit the bill like no other rig, or family of rigs out there. You can pull the engine out of a late 60's camaro and bolt it directly into a chevy pick up, several years later in model. The engine mount, the transmission ARE THE SAME.

Here's an example;

One SINGE year of fords may have THREE different bearings in the front end alone, the same rig might have one of three different starters, and not one will interchange with the other.....IS THAT A SURVIVAL RIG?

That was one department that Rawles missed it in his book. Nobody would use a ford as a basis for a survival rig.

Don't believe me? Just get on a phone and try and find parts for any chevy full sized 4X4 with a 350 cid engine in the years I listed....then try and find the same parts for a comparable ford or dodge......if you can find them, the price will be more.

Choose wisely.

How about an older Jeep Wrangler? The after market parts pool is deep and wide.
These things are hard to kill, and Chrysler is not the only source of parts.

Bear
Logged
"There is no good idea so perfect, so pure,
that Government can't do it badly."
-- Bear

Rarick

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7795
  • Rarick in the Gulch-O-Dome did decree.......
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2010, 05:56:56 am »

A diesel powered jeep wrangler based jeepney?   Also something else to consider, there are prepers out there that do have a collectivist mindset.  How many jeep rubicons do you see with the overhead/ rear racks with the Hijack, extra spare and military pintle hitch do you see?   Can you say Group purchase power? and they are likely to be among the first stopped for papers........  Do not have too obviously tricked out Tactical Bugs Monster BOV.  Maybe get a couple rolls of that "rolling billbord" stuff you see on city busses done up in camo and wait to apply it after you clear the main population areas?

Probably anything in 4 wheel drive, a good range, ability to refuel and a chance of surviving EMP would do just fine. Not advocating antything, but if you have a spare Ignition System and the neighbors don't, you will have a LOT of spare parts............  Have skill or carry garden seeds to trade for their car part?  I may just to include a 5 gallon bucket of assorted seeds..........
Logged
........Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side, a darkside and holds the universe together.  It is theoretically reinforced with strings too.  (The dome has a darkside, lightside and strings of rebar for reinforcement too!)
-------------------------------------------
Most of the time news is about the same old violations of the first principles of consent and golden rule with a dash of force thrown in........ with just enough duct tape to be believable.

gaurdduck

  • Guest
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2010, 02:52:06 pm »

Since a Jeepney is so simple, if one has the rescorces, welding skills, and the imagination for it, I suppose building one at home to be a possibility. You could use the front end of any jeep, with any engine you liked, extend all the parts you needed to depending on model of the jeep, and you'd have a truck basically, but the addition of a few things could make it into a right difficult nut to crack.

New Milsurp truck tires, armor, bigger fuel tank for running longer distances and carrying the extra weight of the armor, armor around the fuel systems or the whole mechanical kit and caboodle, a gun turret up top and amidships (nothing too fancy, just armor plate on ball bearings and a gun mount).... you could make the whole deal detachable, so the armor hangs on eye bolts welded on at intervals and the turret can be removed, folded, and stored in the back with a hatch up top to make the hole in the roof look natural... All that from 5 minutes of thought.
Logged

jkharrer

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 8
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2011, 01:02:43 pm »

an older Jeep CJ-7 with the AMC I4 or I6 would be my choice. They're sturdy, somewhat economical, and the AMC engines are almost invincible (or so I've heard). I almost bought a CJ-7 with a chevy 350 V8 and 350 turbo tranny a year or so ago... should have jumped on it. :angry: The 350 is super easy to work on and you can find em everywhere.
Logged

boet

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 62
  • It's not IF, but WHEN.
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2014, 02:48:02 pm »

This is a great series by Creek Stewart from Willow Haven, he bought a diesel M1028 retired military CUCV (pronounced CUK-VEE).  It is a 1985 Chevrolet pick-up truck.

It's a start to finish project turning it into a bug-out vehicle (BOV) with great pictures - I believe there are 3-4 posts in his BOV series.

http://willowhavenoutdoor.com/featured-wilderness-survival-blog-entries/bug-out-vehicle-bov-chronicles-creeks-project-bov-truck-series-post-1/
Logged
Oppression - by its very nature - creates the power that crushes it.

Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.

  • Given up.
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3222
Re: Survival Vehicle
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2015, 01:45:50 am »

-----  FIRST EMP: -----
I will thread necro here and mention that "emp" bursts are not really much more than the nuclear powered version of a lightning strike near a building or a fool handling a motherboard with bare hands while wearing a fleece and the wrong shoes.

Electronics have come a LONG way.  I've got several ESD resistant consumer, NOT military surplus devices, and several which probably wouldn't care if lightning struck nearby as long as it did not strike the circuit they were plugged into.  That said, older equipment used to fry the moment you brought a finger near a solder point...  Not to mention how many laptops lost their network jacks from the mere proximity to a lightning strike.

Granted, EMP is a bit more energy than that... but lets face it... preparing to live in a cave is a fairly stupid thing.  That's no different than government hell bent on its own continuity.  What's the POINT of your survival?  Rawles failed at that test too.  I'm not sure I even believe him to be a religionist of any degree as much as I believe him to be like so many of the redoubt crazy religionist survivalist authors out there.  Cashing in on fear and panic, and religious people are probably amongst the most fearful and superstitious folks around.  (I actually heard folks on a Christian radio channel in South Dakota (near Rapid City) who were applauding themselves and their callers for "not believing in aliens, because God says they don't exist."  I don't recall seeing any written directions in the Book where believers are admonished NOT to believe anything else exists, and thus the evangelicals' claims are in direct contradictions of Jesus' own statement that "in the Father's home there are many rooms" which could easily be understood to refer to dimensions or planets or universes or whatever... as it wasn't very clear.  For how much they bash astrology, for example, and how little they know about the actual origins of the science behind it, religious folks are usually the first to go and look for "signs" and try to "prove" their superstitions are real, quite in contradictions to the very texts behind their beliefs.  (As a side note, astrology is a science with quite specific mathematics, regardless of the results or beliefs associated with it.  Now, whether you disbelieve the stuff, the mathematics is provable and predictable, and it follows patterns of various heavenly bodies.  Astronomy was once directly blended into it, and the disciplines only got removed from one another because of astrologers' need to prove that the stars control all of us, and more modern scientists simply declaring that its all chaos and nothing's in control in order to protect their own intellectual autonomy in the olden times.  This self defense mechanism has evolved into a near psychotic desire to declare things before they're known, and the resulting "atheism" has become little but more of what it was once created to defend against.  A more logical answer would be, "we don't know, they don't know, and that's where it stays until we get ACTUAL proof.")


-----  SECOND, SURVIVAL VEHICLE:  -----

Back to "survival vehicle."  Lets face it, you are wasting time building a survival vehicle, because, A, your typical road grade gasolines will degrade beyond use within a year or two of the vaunted "baloon goes up" time.  Gasoline breaks down... by comparison, diesels have been computer controlled for a LONG time.  I have a Detroit 60 of my own, and it is a design more than 20 years old, yet it has more computer hardware than cars built two decades later.  It is also a remarkably torque heavy motor and until it tops out on its off road heavy towing gears, it will literally stick you to the seat while accelerating.  Problem is, my 60 gets about 10 miles per gallon unloaded (it took a LOT of work) and still puts out 320 hps and almost 2000 ft lbs of torque at 1200 rpms.  And while I'm a Ford guy, I'll say this "try getting THAT from your Ford."  Not only that, but the more expensive a vehicle is in fuel, the more likely you are to be stranded.

Lets look at it like this.  A guy with a Ford Fiesta with the turbo motor, should get around 40 mpg on the highway using 86/87 (steer clear of 85, I'm told its entirely the wrong fuel, as the turbo's computer will go crazy and tell the car everything's too lean and waste fuel trying to compensate.)  That same guy throws his camping gear, his sweet honey and their rifles into the car, total weight... about 800 lbs on the extreme end.  Car goes from its near 50 mpg to about the 40 I estimate.  It should still get over 30 in "town driving."  On a 10 gallon tank (I think its 12 actually in the new ones) you go 400 miles or more on a highway stretch, and a single can of 87 will increase your cruising range by another 200 miles per can, at around 40 pounds per can.  You're looking at also having MOBILITY on existing highways.

Guy with a hum vee or other "road warrior" vehicle, getting 6 to at most 15 miles per gallon, will have to carry ridiculous amounts of extra fuel to get places.  People who write survival fiction forget to do this math because it ruins the fiction.  Somehow their characters get from Houston to the back end of Ohio, in Jeeps or hum vees (which will NEVER get more than 13 mpg loaded with guys and gear and extra fuel) with only a few cans of extra fuel.  A thousand mile trip running a 20 mpg car will require FIFTY GALLONS OF FUEL.  That's ten 5 gallon cans, which take up a lot of room, are extremely dangerous if the shooting starts, and weigh over 7 pounds PER GALLON.  There  is a reason all those low efficiency MILITARY vehicles travel in convoys and why a modern military is so ridiculously susceptible to supply train sabotage and interference.

So lets face it, a lot of this shit is magic man wishful bullshit, because when the balloon goes up, you'll be walking, and your "rescue mission" distance with multiple guys in multiple vehicles will require a tanker truck escort if the distance is anything beyond, "from here to the grocery store."



A better idea would be to take a lawnmower or other 2 stroke or small (such as the Ford 3 cylinder turbo motor from the Focus and the Fiesta) and build an even lighter vehicle with higher cargo capacity and higher torque.  Use a CVT transmission (common on small gearless recreational vehicles) and you're off to the races... just make sure to pack or machine spare belts.  The metallic ones last forever, but chains and rubber belts don't.

Your primary goal, in reality, is to get from point A, to Point B, safely, reliably and without requiring a military caravan to do it.  You'd be better off with a high altitude dirigible, or a low altitude PLANE with bush take off and landing capability.

Hope all that helps.
Logged
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you.
Pages: 1 [2] 3   Go Up