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Basil Fishbone

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Cross-posted at General Discussion.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/05/17/breaking-news-oath-keepers-proves-that-there-were-troops-who-refused-to-confiscate-guns-during-katrina/

May 17th, 2010
BREAKING NEWS! Oath Keepers Proves That There WERE Troops Who Refused to Confiscate Guns During Katrina

OATH KEEPERS EXCLUSIVE

We know that wholesale gun confiscation happened during Hurricane Katrina.  We watched the Chief of Police of New Orleans declare on national television that “no one [no private citizen] will be able to be armed, we’re going to take all the weapons.”  We watched an old lady being tackled in her own kitchen and disarmed.

In fact, that atrocious event was one of the reasons I started Oath Keepers.  But I also knew, from my service as an Army paratrooper, that there are men and women of courage, honor, and integrity in the military who would refuse to obey such orders.  My goal with Oath Keepers is simply to increase their numbers and harden their resolve.   But when it came to Katrina, we did not have concrete proof that some said no – until now.

A Stand-Up Example from Katrina Emerges

This past week, on Friday May 14, 2010, I had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing Staff Sergeant (SSG) Joshua L. May of the Utah National Guard who told me how he, along with the other men in his military intelligence unit, refused to participate in any gun confiscation while deployed to assist during Hurricane Katrina in 2005. ...<snip>...
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Re: There WERE Troops Who Refused to Confiscate Guns During Katrina
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 02:21:45 pm »

Here is an email notice about this, along with four more YouTube clips.  Not sure if anything else has changed, here is the whole statement.

There WERE Troops Who Refused to Confiscate Guns During Katrina
 From: Oath Keepers <mailing@oathkeepers.org>


OATH KEEPERS EXCLUSIVE

We know that  wholesale gun confiscation happened during Hurricane Katrina.  We  watched the Chief of Police of New Orleans declare on national  television that “no one [no private citizen] will be able to be armed,  we’re going to take all the weapons.”  We watched an old lady http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zztaj2AFiy8 being  tackled in her own kitchen and disarmed.

In fact, that  atrocious event was one of the reasons I started Oath Keepers.  But I  also knew, from my service as an Army paratrooper, that there are men and women of  courage, honor, and integrity in the military who would refuse to obey  such orders.  My goal with Oath Keepers is simply to increase their  numbers and harden their resolve.   But when it came to Katrina, we did  not have concrete proof that some said no – until now.

A  Stand-Up Example from Katrina Emerges

This  past week, on Friday May 14, 2010, I had the pleasure of meeting and  interviewing Staff Sergeant (SSG) Joshua L. May of the Utah National Guard who told me  how he, along with the other men in his military intelligence unit, refused to  participate in any gun confiscation while deployed to assist during  Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

I finally discovered SSG May  and his story only because after a speech I gave in Logan Utah on May  13, 2010, a local resident, Farley Anderson, walked up and told me about  what SSG May had done.  Upon hearing of it, I knew I just had to talk  to him, so I had Mr. Anderson track down SSG May’s number and I called  him at 11pm and invited him to breakfast the next morning.  Until that  night, SSG May hadn’t even heard of Oath Keepers (which is ironic since  he is a shining example of an oath keeper).   We met for the first time  that next morning, Friday, May 14, 2010.   During breakfast, SSG May  told me his story, and then I asked him if we could go outside and do a video interview in the restaurant parking lot.  He agreed that his story  needed to be told and the below video is the result.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HRZfvtYlCY"

This  is the first of five parts to that interview we have now posted on  YouTube.   This first ten minute segment contains SSG May’s main  statement of how, while deployed to assist during Hurricane Katrina, he,  along with the majority of the men in his unit, informed their  commander that they would not under any circumstances participate in gun  confiscation.

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygeNzf__Gic
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDryH9FKS0M
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6aIcCJQ0eY
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_UvHalYKHM

But I urge you to watch the other three  parts which contain further details of SSG May’s experience in New  Orleans, how he and his unit interacted with armed citizens who were  simply defending their property (including a great story of his  encounter with a former paratrooper bar owner who let it be known that  NO ONE, not the President himself, was getting his guns), more details  on how the chain of command reacted to the unit’s refusal, what SSG May  thinks of the use of active duty Army during Katrina, about his  experiences in Iraq and how they reinforced his commitment to enforcing  the Second Amendment, and what he thinks about his oath and the  Constitution.  SSG May is indeed a shining example of what it means to  honor the oath, and it is important to know that he was not alone then,  and is not alone today.   There are many, many other “SSG May’s” out  there.   The mission of Oath Keepers is simply to increase their numbers  and improve their understanding of the Constitution.

Tipping  the Scales on the Side of the Constitution and the Rights of the People

As I have said from the day I founded Oath Keepers, we know  that some will "just follow orders."  That is clear from the sad history  of the human race, and that is also clear from our own history.   The  internment of Japanese Americans during World War II shows that  reality.  And in the modern context, the result of LCDR Guy Cunningham’s  1994 Twentynine Palms http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/2009/04/lcdr-ret-ernest-g-cunningham-and-famous.html Combat Arms Survey  provided additional sobering  evidence, since 26.2% of the Marines polled answered either "agree" or "strongly agree" when asked in the infamous Question 46 if they would fire on American citizens who resisted attempts  at gun confiscation.  And as already noted, what happened during Katrina shows that some will actually follow even such a clearly unlawful,  unconstitutional order.  And that is why I started this organization –  to do my utmost to keep it from happening again.

However,  I also know beyond a doubt that there are men and women of honor, deep  courage, and true devotion to the Constitution in service who would  refuse to obey such orders.  I know this because I served with some of  them.   The men I served with in the Airborne infantry would have been as willing to forfeit their lives or  liberty by refusing such orders as they were willing to give their lives  in combat.

And I know that there are still, to this  day, many people of such honor, courage, and devotion in the military.    The number of Bronze and Silver stars, and even Congressional Medals of  Honor, being awarded today are a testament to the fact that this nation  still has many young lions (and lionesses) of great courage in service.

<img align="center" title="Specialist Monica Brown" src="http://oathkeepers.org/oath/wp-content/uploads/Specialist-Monica-Brown.jpg">

Army Spc. Monica Brown, Medic with 82nd Airborne.  Awarded Silver Star for courage under fire during ambush in Afghanistan.  She saved the lives of wounded soldiers by treating them while under enemy gunfire, by dragging them to safety under enemy fire, and by shielding them with her own body during a mortar attack.  They have the courage.  They just need the knowledge.

Enough of them have the courage to do what is right if they know what is right.  The  only question I have is whether enough of them have the necessary  knowledge of the Constitution and of their obligations under the oath to  stop another Katrina or worse from happening.  Courage without knowledge  is insufficient.  A brave man or woman without knowledge and understanding of  the Constitution can be tricked into becoming a tool of oppression over fellow Americans.  Knowledge without courage and integrity is also  insufficient (which is why I don’t waste my time with most lawyers and  politicians – they have amply demonstrated their lack of either).   It  takes both courage and knowledge.  When a person, such as SSG May, has  both, watch out!  That one person can and will make a difference far beyond  what the cynical conventional wisdom would have you believe is  possible, just as SSG May did.   He proves the cynics, who contend that  all in the military will always just follow orders, wrong.

I  have long said that it is simply a reflection of human nature that in an  average military unit, at any time in history, there will likely be  some who will just follow orders (sometimes with bloodthirsty gusto),  and there will be some who will not follow unlawful orders under any  circumstances (provided they understand the orders are unlawful), and  then there will be those in the middle who'll just go whichever way the  wind blows.   Again, the results of LCDR Cunningham's survey reflect this.  26.2% said they would fire on fellow Americans.  But 12.0 percent said they "had no opinion" about that question (how could someone have no opinion about such a question?).  The good news is that 42.3 percent answered that they "strongly disagreed" and 19.3 percent  "disagreed."  So, there was a strong split in opinions, with those disagreeing in the majority.

The whole point of Oath Keepers, its prime mission, is to  increase the number of service members who are awake, knowledgeable  about the Constitution, and committed to saying "hell no!" and thus tip the scales on the side of those who  have both the courage and knowledge to not go along.   Those who blow  with the wind will then side with right, and any possible psychopaths  and blind followers will be significantly outnumbered and will be suppressed.

And it bears repeating that a man in the ranks like SSG May, a man  who has been awakened to the awesome responsibility of his oath and who  has become a student of the Constitution, can tip the scales on the side  of justice and the Constitution in ways that mere numbers can never quantify.   <em>Such a man is a moral and morale force multiplier</em>.  SSG May’s story  bears this out.   He became a teacher and an inspiration to others, and  he was the solid rock of resolve that they gathered round and drew  strength from when taking their stand.   Yes, the majority were in  agreement with him (and I’ll bet he certainly helped them see the  light) but I think it was his unshakable resolve that helped the others  actually take a firm stand.  Perhaps if he had not been there, another would have  sounded off loudly that the gun confiscation was flat wrong and that he  would not do it.   Perhaps another would have stepped up to be the  spokesman for the others to go tell the commander they would refuse if given that order.  But  perhaps not.   Regardless, one man can make a difference and there can be no doubt that SSG May’s presence helped tip the scales on  the side of refusing to obey any orders to confiscate guns.  And he made  it into a <em>preemptive</em> refusal.  He did not wait until the  orders were actually given.   With him leading the way, the men made it  clear in advance that they would not comply.

SSG May,  way back in 2005, was a stellar oath keeper long before Oath Keepers the  organization even existed.  The oath – and the obligation that goes  with it - is as old as the Constitution itself.  We here at Oath Keepers  certainly did not invent it.  The Founders invented it.  And they put that requirement right in the Constitution, in Article VI.  We at Oath Keepers merely do our  small part in honoring the oath by doing our best, to the utmost extent  of our powers (as the motto of my Airborne unit put it) to make sure  there are more SSG Mays out there.   Just as SSG May was awakened by  another National Guardsman who made him realize he did not have a  sufficient understanding of the Constitution to adequately keep his  oath, we strive to wake up as many current serving as we can to the  fundamental necessity of understanding and studying the Constitution if  they are to keep their oath to defend it.  You can’t defend it if you  don’t know it.   I firmly believe that it is possible to reach, teach,  and inspire enough of the current serving to provide a tipping point on  the side of the Constitution and on the side of the rights of the people  when future unconstitutional orders come down the chain of command.  We can do it.

And  now we have SSG May’s stellar real world example from Katrina itself  to show the way for others.  In honor of SSG May’s stand, I am  nominating him for the Oath Keepers 2010 Current Serving Military of the  Year award, and I am nominating his unit for a counterpart award for  Unit of the Year for their stand during Katrina.  I can’t imagine a  better example coming to light between now and our national Oath Keepers  Conference in October, so I look forward to presenting both those  awards.

We hear so much bad news nearly every day that  it is wonderful to have such a great piece of good news.  So, take  heart, and remember, with each and every current serving military,  police, or emergency personnel you talk to, with each brochure, pocket  Constitution, or copy of <em>The 5000 Year Leap</em> handed out, you never know what effect you have, like  ripples in a pond going out from one cast pebble.  Your one act of outreach,  teaching, or inspiration could reach far into the future to a crucial  moment in history, into the hearts and minds of key men and women who may  just be in place to take a pivotal and historic stand.   Now go out and  make more SSG Mays!

For the Republic,

Stewart  Rhodes

Founder of Oath Keepers

PS- Seeing as how this story was unknown to the public and untold until I happened to meet SSG May, there well may be other individuals or units, either military or police, who likewise refused to take part in any gun confiscation during Katrina.  Please ask around through your contacts, and keep a sharp eye and ear out for any more such accounts.  And if you were there, and know of other examples, it is time to speak up and let it be known.


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Re: There WERE Troops Who Refused to Confiscate Guns During Katrina
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 02:34:11 pm »

Excellent.  The world is better off when those who are tasked with protecting us do not always just "follow orders".  After all, many Germans were "just following orders" during World War II. 
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