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Bear2

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Same cartridge for pistol and carbine
« on: January 28, 2005, 12:23:07 am »
Last night I went to the book store to get a copy of SWAT magazine to see
what's about. I didn't find SWAT, but I did find a special "Shooting" edition
which covered Ruger's line for 2005 (not just the new stuff).

Ruger has a pistol and carbine which are both chambered for the 10 mm
S&W round, and the idea of having a pistol and carbine that share the same
ammo goes back at least until the end of the 19th century.

What I thought was particularly cool about this combo, is that they share the same clips.
You can take the clip out of your pistol and use directly in the carbine, and visa-versa. You
can just load your clips and slap them into whatever is the most appropriate weapon of the
moment. Maybe I'm easily impressed, but I think this is a very cool idea.

The carbines: http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAP...=famid&famid=20

The pistols: http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdResults

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2005, 05:36:51 am »
Not just a cool idea. Popular too. My Kel-Tec Sub 2000 (pictured at left, folded) uses Glock 22 (.40 S&W) mags. Beretta's Storm carbine uses the same mags as their pistols.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2005, 08:57:55 am »
I'm very pleased with my Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine.

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2005, 10:32:45 am »
At the ruger site, I see .40 cal and 9mm - you say it's available in 10mm?

Sounds interesting, I'd love to see the 10mm combo if you can find a link to it.
 
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2005, 11:15:12 am »
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Sounds interesting, I'd love to see the 10mm combo if you can find a link to it.

Being a gun novice I was a little confused, but I think the 10mm S&W is also the .40 cal S&W
by another name. The magazine article referred to the weapons both as 10mm. If you do the
math, 10mm comes out to .3937 caliber.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2005, 11:38:40 am »
.40 S&W and 10mm use bullets of the same diameter, but the cartridges are different. Don't have a reloading book handy at the moment, but I believe that 10mm has a larger case and can push the same weight bullet faster than .40 S&W.
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2005, 01:30:25 pm »
Ok, I'll go get the magazine and find the article which names the models
they were refering to.

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2005, 06:41:27 pm »
Several years ago some company built a .357 magnum pump rifle.  seemed like a cool idea...
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2005, 08:46:29 pm »
A few more examples. I have a Marlin 1984 Carbine in .44 magnum. It comes in .357 magnum as well. And .45 Colt is the old original rifle/revolver shared cartridge.

Of course you can get wierd about it too. BFR makes a .45-70 revolver. :)
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2005, 10:31:10 pm »
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Of course you can get wierd about it too. BFR makes a .45-70 revolver. :)
10mm Auto
40 S&W

Lots of cartridge specs

I've seen one o' them 45-70 pistols. What a monster!
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2005, 11:06:51 pm »
Great resource, Rockchucker. This page shows differences in velocity for factory loads of various weights and makes obvious the fact that 10mm is a more powerful round than .40 S&W.

Use my Muzzle Energy Computer to translate these weights and velocities into energy.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2005, 12:15:33 am »
*wondering who makes a 7.63x39 derringer*  :lol:  
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2005, 03:10:31 pm »
I though American Derringer made one in 7.62x39, but now I can't find one on their site. At any rate, they do exist - there's a guy on THR who has one:  :blink:

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2005, 10:53:52 am »
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Ruger has a pistol and carbine which are both chambered for the 10 mm
S&W round, and the idea of having a pistol and carbine that share the same
ammo goes back at least until the end of the 19th century.

What I thought was particularly cool about this combo, is that they share the same clips.
You can take the clip out of your pistol and use directly in the carbine, and visa-versa. You
can just load your clips and slap them into whatever is the most appropriate weapon of the
moment. Maybe I'm easily impressed, but I think this is a very cool idea.

 
While a neat idea, I'm not sure that I agree.  

What you end up with is two relatively short range weapons.  Pistol cartridges coming out of carbines don't gain very much in comparison to say an SKS.  This is why so many police departments are going to AR-15/M-4 type weapons--10 mm at 200 fps more is still a pistol cartridge at 200 fps more, for the weight, you could have something that has a lot more range and punch.  

Your pistol should be used to get you to a rifle and then the real work can begin.  

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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2005, 11:46:15 am »
Bill St. Clair:  It was the .44-40 (.44 WCF) that was chambered in the Win 92 and the Colt SAA.

SFAIK, no lever gun was chambered for .45 Colt until recently.

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