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Felinenation

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Guidance counselor horror stories?
« on: January 07, 2013, 03:14:13 pm »

In my opinion,  a major reason to homeschool, or to unschool, is the  avoidance of the subspecies of educrat known as the guidance counselor.
 
Two books I have read recently, "Manifesting Michelango" by Joseph  Pierce Farrell, and "More Natural 'Cures' Revealed" by Kevin Trudeau,  contain strikingly similar accounts of the authors  being humiliated by  their high school guidance counselors.  Both the men, who were from blue  collar families, had average to poor grades and test scores in school,  and the guidance counselors appeared to take sadistic pleasure in  telling them they were losers.
 
My experience with the counselors came from the other end of the  academic spectrum.  I had good grades and test scores, and the  counselors tried to push me into going to an Ivy League school.  I  recall it was an almost surreal experience, sitting in the small room  with two of the counselors, and they were talking about me and my future  as if I had no say in it.  They never asked me what I wanted or what I  could afford.
 
I'm not sure if  they knew my socioeconomic background (blue collar), or  the particular circumstances that required me to stay home and help my  family after high school.  I did have the instinct not to tell them  that.
 
I ended up choosing to go to a local community college.    The  counselors gave me a lot of grief over that.  They must have approached  a teacher I was close to, to try to talk me out of it.  So, in their  eyes, I ended up with the same label: loser.
 

I recall a bright classmate whose career goal was training horses.  The  counselors told her training horses was a hobby, not a job.    These  citified counselors apparently were unaware that training horses is a  paying job.  I think the girl quit school after that.
 
I now realize the true motivations of these people.  Their job was not  to help students.  They did not care about me or my future.  They only  wanted to use me, as a statistic.   Having a large number of their  graduates go on to college, and especially to elite colleges, is a  marketing strategy.  They hope to attract more yuppy parents to live in  the school district.  The kind of parents who will vote for every tax  levy that comes along.
 
That's why they seemed to take it personally when they encountered  "losers":  kids from poor families, those with low grades, or  other  outliers, like me and my horse-loving classmate.   The "loser" kids and  the families they came from are a threat to their bottom line.
 

Does anyone else have any guidance counselor horror stories they want to  share?
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Re: Guidance counselor horror stories?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 03:33:18 pm »

Well, mine COULD have been a horror story, but wasn't. When I was in kindergarten, I was legally blind (from birth) and 60% deaf.  The teachers were nice, but told mother I was possibly "retarded" and should be placed in a special school for the deaf and blind. She told them to stuff it.  Then she took me to an eye doctor, and I got glasses. Then I was able to see much better. I learned to cope with the deafness quite well, and by the time I was in the fifth grade, was performing far beyond class norms. The school counselors told my mother that I needed to be put ahead into 7th grade. She told them to stuff it. So did my teacher. 

Most of this crap can be taken care of by alert and involved parents. The best idea is not to let these cretins near the children at all, but as with me, homeschooling was not an option in those days. Nobody had ever heard of it, unfortunately.

Just tell them to stuff it. They can't "make" you feel inadequate, a "loser" or anything else if you don't let them. And you are right. It's got nothing to do with them understanding your situation or considering your wants and needs. It's all about THEM.
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Felinenation

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 03:55:34 pm »

Oh, I agree, ML, that these cretins shouldn't make people feel like losers.  But, to most people out there, both the kids and their parents, these counselors are AUTHORITY FIGURES.  People with advanced degrees in a position of power.  Both of which are respected by too many folks.

In the books I mentioned, it was obvious the authors were hurt by the experience.  My experience was about 40 years ago, by the way.
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Re: Guidance counselor horror stories?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 03:59:01 pm »

  My experience was about 40 years ago, by the way.

I was in kindergarten in 1951... and my mother didn't recognize very many "authority figures."  I got that bad habit from her. :)
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 09:11:41 pm »

  My experience was about 40 years ago, by the way.

I was in kindergarten in 1951... and my mother didn't recognize very many "authority figures."  I got that bad habit from her. :)
Who says that it is a bad habit? :laugh:

When I was in elementary school (5th grade), school officials told my parents that I needed to be put on Ritalin. I was failing everything except Spelling and Gym, but was at the same time in the "Gifted and Talented Program", and was consistently at the top of the curve on all standardized tests. My parents took me to a specialist (which was about a 4 hour drive away) whom tested me for HOURS AND HOURS! They told my parents that my "bad" behavior in school and failing classes was due to me not being challenged enough. At 11 years old, I tested off the charts on every intelligence test that they could give me. They said that I was focused, and always gave my best effort...... when I was challenged. They recommended that I skip a grade or two. My mother told them to "STUFF IT!" as she skipped two grades herself and always regretted it. My parents brought the results to the "so-called" school officials and told them to "STUFF IT!" too. According to their standards, I failed 5th grade. But because they eventually admitted that they were the ones that actually failed, I was not required to go to summer school. I was placed in 6th grade and was on the high honor roll there after. Every time that I see one of those doped up psychos committing mass murder, I thank my mother for not forcing me to take that poison (Ritalin).
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Re: Guidance counselor horror stories?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2013, 06:05:28 am »

Every time that I see one of those doped up psychos committing mass murder, I thank my mother for not forcing me to take that poison (Ritalin).

Indeed. The "school" tried to get me to agree to give something (don't remember what) to my youngest son because he was truly hyperactive and wouldn't sit still. I refused, finally eliminated sugar and artificial stuff from his diet and he improved a lot. I've read all the studies that poo-poo the connection, but it worked with him. He actually wasn't getting much of it since we produced all of our own milk, meat, eggs, veggies and fruit in those days, but I always thought the "school lunch" was the major problem. As soon as he quit eating that, he was fine unless some other kid gave him candy or crap like that.  Sure wish home schooling had been an option then. sigh
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Re: Guidance counselor horror stories?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2013, 03:10:02 pm »

I wonder what their motivation is in wanting kids to skip grades.  I assume it's another "marketing" issue - so they can claim their school district is so great that x% of the students can skip grades.

I was always amused by the way the educrats took credit for the success of the good students.  By the same logic, they should take the blame for the failure of the poor students.  But, no, that was always the kids' fault:  they were slow learners, didn't pay attention, didn't do homework, didn't apply themselves, etc.
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