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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #90 on: November 02, 2007, 01:42:22 am »

Roy brings up a good point above about a show forbidding cameras.  HA, take your cell phone and watch out for the undercover BATF slugs.

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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #91 on: November 02, 2007, 09:19:33 am »

Yeah, and then post the pics on the web via a 'neutral' terminal, like the library... :ph34r: :threvil:

Gotta let these jaspers know we DON'T appreciate their presence...
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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #92 on: November 02, 2007, 01:53:58 pm »

Bobcat, that WOULD be fun.  Remember folks, "they" ARE at the show and they lie like the yellow dogs that they are.  Matter of fact, I need to apologize to my big yellow lab retriever for comparing her to BATF. She is a loyal faithful family dog, and I wouldn't let one of "THEM" in the door without a warrant.

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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #93 on: November 08, 2007, 03:39:40 pm »

The last show I was at there was 3 cars in the parking lot that never moved (in 2 days) MMMMM?????

and 2 Deputy Sheriffs across the street doing "Random stops"
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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #94 on: November 08, 2007, 08:31:08 pm »

Gypsy, would you tell us what state that show was in where deputies did random stops outside the gun show?  Sounds like those deputies need some "special attention."

 I know it's now perfect at all here in Tennessee and we are still working on improvements to our laws here ( yea, I know....should not be a permit etc. etc. ) but down here all the deputies, police, state highway patrol guys, etc. that I see at the gun show are trying to trade with me.  Down here, the cop who things only cops should have guns is the rare exception and looked down upon by his co-workers for it.

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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #95 on: November 09, 2007, 07:12:42 am »

Ohio...and It's getting worse there from what I'm being told.
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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #96 on: November 09, 2007, 07:32:56 am »

You could also have ALOT of fun,carry a scanner and if you have the right codes you can make there efforts futile.That would be worth the effort just to make them use cell phones if not anything else the PITA factor is better than nothing.It's a start,how effective,who knows/cares it will let-em know that we KNOW. Ought 7.
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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #97 on: January 06, 2008, 04:55:53 pm »

As a newbie to owning guns and gun shows can some one tell me what exactly the BATF do at these shows? I am pondering stopping at vegas for an antique gun show and if I find a nice piece from a "private" collection I will be tempted to purchase. Is there anything I should be looking out for? I also happened to get a nice digital 1hr long recording device that might be tiny enough to take with me ;) (If I can walk around the place and see and hear and sense things then I feel I'm damn well entitled to record with a camcorder...) Also is ID typically required for purchasing arms at Nevada shows (from what I've read it's not required but I don't know if they would spring that or having to sign any forms).

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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #98 on: January 06, 2008, 07:25:42 pm »

And for any and all of you who are going to gun shows, ask FIJA for a few of our 2A brochures to take along and share with others, especially any gummit slavers  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

You can request an info pack by calling 1-800-TEL-JURY

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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #99 on: January 07, 2008, 12:33:35 am »

Here is the January 2008 PA firearms event update.  When planning to attend an event it's a good idea to confirm that
it hasn't been changed, cancelled or reported incorrectly by yours truly.  If you want to setup a table or booth for OPH
or other purposes, then please contact the hosting organization for their rules and guidelines.

Please forward me any appropriate event information or corrections and I'll include it in this list.

Mark  ("Mark Crowley" <mark.d.crowley@att.net>)

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Firearm Events for Pennsylvania - 2008 January Update

(Events already past snipped.  --RJT)

January 12-13, 2008 -- Carlisle, PA
Gun Show, Carlisle Expo Center
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

January 12-13, 2008 - Nescopeck, PA (Luzerne County)
Gun Show, Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company
Nescopeck Hunting & Rifle Club
570-759-1783

January 19-20, 2008 -- Greensburg, PA (Westmoreland County)
Gun Show, Westmoreland Mall Annex
PA Gun Collectors Association
412-531-5087  admin(at)pgca.us
http://www.pgca.us/

January 19-20, 2008 -- Matamoras, PA (PA, NY, NJ border)
Gun Show, Hunt's Best Western
Mid-Atlantic Arms Collectors
570-679-2250  800-679-2250  maacpsse(at)echos.net
http://www.maacpsse.com/maac.html

January 19-20, 2008 -- Philadelphia, PA
Gun Show, Army National Guard
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

January 26-27, 2008 -- Washington, PA (SW of Pittsburgh)
Gun Show, Washington County Fairgrounds
A.R.H. Sports Shop
724-948-3571 (day) arhsportshop(at)yahoo.com
http://www.arhsportshop.com

January 26-27, 2008 - Hamburg, PA  (W of Allentown)
Gun Show, Field House
Commonwealth Target
570-640-0144
http://www.comtgt.info

January 26-27, 2008 - Jim Thorpe, PA (NW of Allentown)
Gun Show, Jim Thorpe Memorial Hall
Mid-Atlantic Arms Collectors
570-679-2250  800-679-2250  maacpsse(at)echos.net
http://www.maacpsse.com/maac.html

January 26-27, 2008 -- Schnecksville, PA (near Allentown)
Gun Show, Schnecksville Fire Co.
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

February 2-3, 2008 - Greencastle, PA (N of Hagerstown, MD)
Gun Show, Mason-Dixon Auto Auction
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

February 23-24, 2008 - Sellersville, PA (N of Philadelphia)
Gun Show, Forrest Lodge VFW Post 245
Commonwealth Target
570-640-0144
http://www.comtgt.info

February 23-24, 2008 -- York, PA
Gun Show, York Fairgrounds
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

March 1-2, 2008 -- Gilbertsville, PA (near Valley Forge)
Gun Show, Gilbertsville Fire Co.
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

March 7-9, 2008 - King of Prussia, PA (near Philadelphia)
Gun Show, Valley Forge Convention Center
Valley Forge Gun Collectors
610-975-0877  www.valleyforgegunshow.com

March 8-9, 2008 -- Leesport, PA (N of Reading)
Gun Show, Leesport Farmers Market
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

March 15-16, 2008 -- Harrisburg, PA
Gun Show, Farm Show Complex
Mid-Atlantic Arms Collectors
570-679-2250  800-679-2250  maacpsse(at)echos.net
http://www.maacpsse.com/maac.html

March 29-30, 2008 - McConnellsburg, PA (Fulton County)
Gun Show, McConnellsburg Legion
Commonwealth Target
570-640-0144
http://www.comtgt.info

March 29-30, 2008 -- Philadelphia, PA
Gun Show, PA Army National Guard
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

March 29-30, 2008 -- Greensburg, PA (Westmoreland County)
Gun Show, Westmoreland Mall Annex
PA Gun Collectors Association
412-531-5087  admin(at)pgca.us
http://www.pgca.us/

April 5-6, 2008 -- Scranton, PA
Gun Show, Days Inn
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

April 19-20, 2008 -- Washington, PA (SW of Pittsburgh)
Gun Show, Washington County Fairgrounds
A.R.H. Sports Shop
724-948-3571 (day) arhsportshop(at)yahoo.com
http://www.arhsportshop.com

April 19-20, 2008 - Hamburg, PA (W of Allentown)
Gun Show, Hamburg Field House
PA Antique Gun Collectors Assoc.
215-628-4170
http://www.pagca.com/

April 26-27, 2008 - Greencastle, PA (N of Hagerstown, MD)
Gun Show, Mason-Dixon Auto Auction
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

May 3-4, 2008 -- York, PA
Gun and Machine Gun Show, York Fairgrounds
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-2470  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

May 17-18, 2008 - Sellersville, PA (N of Philadelphia)
Gun Show, Forrest Lodge VFW Post 245
Commonwealth Target
570-640-0144
http://www.comtgt.info

May 24-25, 2008 -- Philadelphia, PA
Gun Show, PA Army National Guard
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

June 14-15, 2008 -- Harrisburg, PA
Gun Show, Farm Show Complex
Mid-Atlantic Arms Collectors
570-679-2250  800-679-2250  maacpsse(at)echos.net
http://www.maacpsse.com/maac.html

June 20-22, 2008 - King of Prussia, PA (near Philadelphia)
Gun Show, Valley Forge Convention Center
Valley Forge Gun Collectors
610-975-0877  www.valleyforgegunshow.com

June 21-22, 2008 -- Greensburg, PA (Westmoreland County)
Gun Show, Westmoreland Mall Annex
PA Gun Collectors Association
412-531-5087  admin(at)pgca.us
http://www.pgca.us/

June 28-29, 2008 -- Washington, PA (SW of Pittsburgh)
Gun Show, Washington County Fairgrounds
A.R.H. Sports Shop
724-948-3571 (day) arhsportshop(at)yahoo.com
http://www.arhsportshop.com

June 28-29, 2008 -- York, PA
Gun Show, York Fairgrounds
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-2470  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

July 26-27, 2008 - Kutztown, PA  (W of Allentown)
Gun Show, Fairgrounds Belzner Hall
Commonwealth Target
570-640-0144
http://www.comtgt.info

August 9-10, 2008 -- Leesport, PA (N of Reading)
Gun Show, Leesport Farmers Market
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

August 16-17, 2008 -- Philadelphia, PA
Gun Show, PA Army National Guard
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

September 6-7, 2008 -- Harrisburg, PA
Gun Show, Farm Show Complex
Mid-Atlantic Arms Collectors
570-679-2250  800-679-2250  maacpsse(at)echos.net
http://www.maacpsse.com/maac.html

September 13-14, 2008 -- Greensburg, PA (Westmoreland County)
Gun Show, Westmoreland Mall Annex
PA Gun Collectors Association
412-531-5087  admin(at)pgca.us
http://www.pgca.us/

September 13-14, 2008 - Greencastle, PA (N of Hagerstown, MD)
Gun Show, Mason-Dixon Auto Auction
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

September 19-21, 2008 - King of Prussia, PA (near Philadelphia)
Gun Show, Valley Forge Convention Center
Valley Forge Gun Collectors
610-975-0877  www.valleyforgegunshow.com

September 20-21, 2008 -- Scranton, PA
Gun Show, Days Inn
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

October 4-5, 2008 -- Carlisle, PA
Gun Show, Carlisle Expo Center
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

October 25-26, 2008 -- York, PA
Gun Show, York Fairgrounds
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-2470  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 1-2, 2008-- Gilbertsville, PA ( near Valley Forge)
Gun Show, Gilbertsville Fire Co.
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 8-9, 2008  - Hamburg, PA (W of Allentown)
Gun Show, Hamburg Field House
PA Antique Gun Collectors Assoc.
215-628-4170
http://www.pagca.com/

November 8-9, 2008 -- Philadelphia, PA
Gun Show, Army National Guard
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 15-16, 2008 - Greencastle, PA (N of Hagerstown, MD)
Gun Show, Mason-Dixon Auto Auction
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 15-16, 2008 -- Greensburg, PA (Westmoreland County)
Gun Show, Westmoreland Mall Annex
PA Gun Collectors Association
412-531-5087  admin(at)pgca.us
http://www.pgca.us/

November 22-23, 2008 -- Leesport, PA (N of Reading)
Gun Show, Leesport Farmers Market
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 29-30, 2008 -- Schnecksville, PA (near Allentown)
Gun Show, Schnecksville Fire Co.
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

December 13-14, 2008 -- Harrisburg, PA
Gun Show, Farm Show Complex
Mid-Atlantic Arms Collectors
570-679-2250  800-679-2250  maacpsse(at)echos.net
http://www.maacpsse.com/maac.html

December 19-21, 2008 - King of Prussia, PA (near Philadelphia)
Gun Show, Valley Forge Convention Center
Valley Forge Gun Collectors
610-975-0877  www.valleyforgegunshow.com
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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2008, 08:23:32 am »

As a newbie to owning guns and gun shows can some one tell me what exactly the BATF do at these shows? I am pondering stopping at vegas for an antique gun show and if I find a nice piece from a "private" collection I will be tempted to purchase. Is there anything I should be looking out for? I also happened to get a nice digital 1hr long recording device that might be tiny enough to take with me ;) (If I can walk around the place and see and hear and sense things then I feel I'm damn well entitled to record with a camcorder...) Also is ID typically required for purchasing arms at Nevada shows (from what I've read it's not required but I don't know if they would spring that or having to sign any forms).

ATF does at gun shows what it does everywhere else - intimidate with illegal laws and even-less-legal regulations they make up out of thin air. Their special expertise is harassment of commercial sellers who have gone to great lengths to obey the ATF fiat gun control agenda, but pushing their big bellies into any transaction to frighten the masses is also, for them, more fun than squishing tadpoles.

As for exercising your freedom to buy firearms, there are three general categories as viewed by the ATF: antique, curios & relics and modern firearms.  Generally, you can buy any blackpowder and pre-1900 guns without any licensing or interstate commerce issues - mail order straight out of magazines or off the Internet. 

Curios & relic firearms (pre-1950 guns) can be had with minimal hassle and licensing. This list includes many excellent defensive weapons.  These and the antiques can be purchased at any gunshow darn near anywhere with very little in the way of qualifications or paperwork.

Modern firearms and, in particular, handguns can a hassle, depending on the state.  If you have a CCW, you have already been background-checked and can carry new guns out the door with minimal paperwork and no waiting. The lack of paperwork-per-gun is very attractive to me. Others refuse "to get a license to own a gun". 
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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #101 on: January 07, 2008, 12:20:59 pm »


"Curios & relic firearms (pre-1950 guns) can be had with minimal hassle and licensing. This list includes many excellent defensive weapons.  These and the antiques can be purchased at any gunshow darn near anywhere with very little in the way of qualifications or paperwork."

"The lack of paperwork-per-gun is very attractive to me. Others refuse "to get a license to own a gun". 

So when you say very little in the way of qualifications or paperwork you mean, ...no background check, no driver's license...? Not that I'm a felon or anything but I do believe my name on lists as a gun owner would be used if martial law occurred. And I don't intend on being harrassed.

As to the license I feel the same way as those who do not want one. I don't need their permission to defend myself period. Nor do I want them to know what I have for personal defense.
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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #102 on: January 07, 2008, 12:42:59 pm »

I had a CCW in the People's Republic of California. They are made of unobtanium and list by make, model and serial number each handgun you have qualified with and are permitted to carry concealed. I can well understand avoiding this particular licensing scheme, but I chose to avoid the risk of being unarmed while simultaneously avoiding the risk of going to prison and having my name added to the list of people who can be re-incarcerated for touching or living in the same house with any firearm. 

I guess you have to decide where your lines are drawn, what risks are acceptable to you and if you are indeed ready to initiate your one-person revolution.

I long since moved to a less unenlightened state where CCWs are "shall issue", have a minimum amount of qualifications attached and your permit covers any legal firearm you choose to carry.  Obviously the primary reason for carrying the little piece of laminated paper is to avoid arrest for violations of unconstitutional laws. Protest if you like, but again I am not ready to fight that particular battle by myself which is how it will be fought if you are caught packing concealed without the permit.

The permit itself is not attached to any firearm purchase... ever.  Purchases by CCW holders avoid the background check that non-CCW folks have to go through with every purchase from a licensed gun dealer.  Therefore, CCW holders are not tracked where non-holders are.  The papers I fill out to buy a gun are fewer and do not leave the dealership.

Non-CCW holders have per-gun background checks sent off to that big FBI database where the feds promise they will purge the records ... you can believe them if you like.  I don't.
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« Reply #103 on: January 07, 2008, 01:38:49 pm »

The permit itself is not attached to any firearm purchase... ever.  Purchases by CCW holders avoid the background check that non-CCW folks have to go through with every purchase from a licensed gun dealer.  Therefore, CCW holders are not tracked where non-holders are.  The papers I fill out to buy a gun are fewer and do not leave the dealership.

Non-CCW holders have per-gun background checks sent off to that big FBI database where the feds promise they will purge the records ... you can believe them if you like.  I don't.
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it was at one time true that the papers did not leave the dealership.  That is no longer the entire truth:
Papers may have information copied at the place of record;
Papers may be photographed by BATF or other government investigators, including the NAS, FBI, HS and probably other slavers as well;
In the interests of National Security, records may be removed to official offices for further investigation.

That is my present understanding of the status of any paperwork at any dealer's location.
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Re: Gun Shows
« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2008, 11:24:45 pm »

Purchases by CCW holders avoid the background check that non-CCW folks have to go through with every purchase from a licensed gun dealer.  Therefore, CCW holders are not tracked where non-holders are.  The papers I fill out to buy a gun are fewer and do not leave the dealership.

Non-CCW holders have per-gun background checks sent off to that big FBI database where the feds promise they will purge the records ... you can believe them if you like.  I don't.

That happens not to be the case in PA,  since Brady.  It used to be that the state ran a background check and had a waiting period and that if you had the permit you were exempt from the waiting period,  but there was still paperwork,  and the state police maintain a database,  which they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge as being a registry,  of all of that info.  Of course,  nothing says I can't buy elsewhere if I happen to be living elsewhere at the time,  or take what I have and leave the state,  but it's still on record for the time being,  in spite of legislators having told them that they should stop doing it.

The only way I can see that'll put a stop to that nonsense is either a very heavy-duty court case or some serious changes in the administration of the state,  and from what I can see with increasing urbanization all over the trend unfortunately seems to be in the opposite direction.  :-(

One of the reasons I'm considering relocating elsewhere.
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