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[mouse]

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=46948

David and Connie Johnson were asleep when they heard a noise Connie later described as the "walls caving in." Seconds later their front door was forced open and two armored strangers burst into the two-room apartment the middle-aged couple share with their adult son, Aaron.

 Several other assailants were clustered behind the two who had forced open the door. One of them was a female holding a leash that barely restrained a large, snarling dog. One of the intruders pointed as assault rifle at David's head and threatened to shoot him. Another invader, a female, bellowed, "Put your hands up! This dog will bite you!"

 David was seized and shackled. Connie and Aaron were also dragged from their home. Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion poked their heads out and were ordered to go back into their rooms.

 At no point in this encounter did the intruders identify themselves as police officers.

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[Bill St. Clair]

"Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion poked their heads out and were ordered to go back into their rooms."

How long before this changes to, "Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion brought their deer rifles to their windows and shot all the assailants dead." I can dream...

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

"Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion poked their heads out and were ordered to go back into their rooms."

How long before this changes to, "Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion brought their deer rifles to their windows and shot all the assailants dead." I can dream...

Not going to happen.  Not now, not ever.  Americans are a bunch of big chest thumping sissies.  They get big and froggy about their flag and all that, but personally and individually, they aren't worth a shit taken by even the worst of the men who conquered the continent back in the 1600's to 1800's.  Bravery?  Honor?  Integrity?  Those are words used by the obedience trainers in the various corps for armed thugs to pretend like obeying orders and stealing property from rightful and innocent owners who've been criminalized is a "good" thing.  I've harbored no hope for a long time because I kept my eyes open.  What I've seen, especially in "free" Wyoming and the "great white" Montana hasn't surprised me a bit.  Governmentalism run rampant.  Pretty much everyone gets a check from the government, and with them lies their allegiance.  People hate the government because it gets votes during elections.  As soon as they become the government... nothing new, nothing changed.  Status quo, baby, even when that means going around and jacking people for the stupidest of pretexts, while truly dangerous criminals, fraudsters and scumbags walk the streets with impunity, often draped in colors of office and far from even plausible harm.

[FDD]

"Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion poked their heads out and were ordered to go back into their rooms."

How long before this changes to, "Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion brought their deer rifles to their windows and shot all the assailants dead." I can dream...

Not going to happen.  Not now, not ever.  Americans are a bunch of big chest thumping sissies.  They get big and froggy about their flag and all that, but personally and individually, they aren't worth a shit taken by even the worst of the men who conquered the continent back in the 1600's to 1800's.  Bravery?  Honor?  Integrity?  Those are words used by the obedience trainers in the various corps for armed thugs to pretend like obeying orders and stealing property from rightful and innocent owners who've been criminalized is a "good" thing.  I've harbored no hope for a long time because I kept my eyes open.  What I've seen, especially in "free" Wyoming and the "great white" Montana hasn't surprised me a bit.  Governmentalism run rampant.  Pretty much everyone gets a check from the government, and with them lies their allegiance.  People hate the government because it gets votes during elections.  As soon as they become the government... nothing new, nothing changed.  Status quo, baby, even when that means going around and jacking people for the stupidest of pretexts, while truly dangerous criminals, fraudsters and scumbags walk the streets with impunity, often draped in colors of office and far from even plausible harm.

Never say never

You do not know how everyone will be, or when and how things may change.

Dawg

[mouse]

"Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion poked their heads out and were ordered to go back into their rooms."

How long before this changes to, "Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion brought their deer rifles to their windows and shot all the assailants dead." I can dream...

I seriously don't know why this doesn't happen, or indeed why it didn't happen in the case in point.  It is the logical thing to do, we all live in communities and if someone is being singled out and attacked by a mob of strangers it is natural to pitch in and defend them.  People say they hate being ordered around, treated like children, "go back into your rooms, you silly people, this has nothing to do with you", but go back to their room is exactly what they did.  The article says that the assailants didn't identify themselves as "police" (if they had, would that have made it "alright"?) so as far as the neighbours were concerned it was just a gang of home invaders attacking a family.

As I have said before, it is well past time that we all started to stick up for each other.  We must all realise that it WILL be us next!  With the anniversary of the Waco siege of 1993, coming up, it is a good time for reflection.  Are we going to let that happen again?  It surely will.  "9.11" was a "Waco", perpetrated probably because the PTB got away with "Waco" and "Ruby Ridge" and knew that the public would accept and believe their lies about it.  It is just a matter of time.  I guess incidents like the one described above are "mini Wacos", they are happening all the time.  Is it a matter of degree?  "Only a few" people killed this time, so it is OK"?, the old adage about "gov't proposes to cut off your leg, so you protest and they agree to cut of only half your leg, and that is accepted"?

When I finally realised what actually did happen at the Waco siege (in about 2000, due mainly to the lack of local news on the subject and my own laziness to not bother finding out.  But now I "got the books") I wondered how they so easily got away with it as it occurred within months of "Ruby Ridge".  Were people not sufficiently outraged by that incident that they were wary of it happening again?  I always thought that after "Ruby Ridge" there would have definitely been justification for an absolute, spontaneous "by the people" annihilation of the BAFTE.  After all wasn't it some of the same "exonerated" people who murdered and tortured the family and their children at Ruby Ridge who did the same things at "Waco" and will continue to do the same things again, to others?

[FDD]

When I finally realised what actually did happen at the Waco siege (in about 2000, due mainly to the lack of local news on the subject and my own laziness to not bother finding out.  But now I "got the books") I wondered how they so easily got away with it as it occurred within months of "Ruby Ridge".  Were people not sufficiently outraged by that incident that they were wary of it happening again?  I always thought that after "Ruby Ridge" there would have definitely been justification for an absolute, spontaneous "by the people" annihilation of the BAFTE.  After all wasn't it some of the same "exonerated" people who murdered and tortured the family and their children at Ruby Ridge who did the same things at "Waco" and will continue to do the same things again, to others?

You need to remember that the media had a very big part in the Waco shit.

The Media made the group out to be crazy whackos, and that the GovJBT's out to be the heros, out to save the children.

It was all to save the Children.

Freedom, the only freedom you have is that which you are willing to fight for. It does not come from the Government.

Dawg

[Klapton Isgod]

It was all to save the Children.

I guess sometimes to "save" them, you have to burn them alive.

[Rarick]

"Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion poked their heads out and were ordered to go back into their rooms."

How long before this changes to, "Neighbors who were drawn by the commotion brought their deer rifles to their windows and shot all the assailants dead." I can dream...

wishful thinking......