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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2015, 10:28:39 am »

That was the one.  Jessica Jones has some steamy stuff in it, but it fits the story much better at least.  Same with House of Cards.  It was just plain distracting in Marco Polo.
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2015, 03:38:10 pm »

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That's not the impression I got from her post --at all. I am surprised that you equate her politeness by asking (not demanding) with tyranny! I see nothing unreasonable asking someone to "clean up their language."
I don't suppose that you have yet been the victim of the feminazi sjw's as yet. Oh wait you have your status as a non-y chromazone citizen to protect you from that unpleasant situation.
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I suppose MamaLiberty's recent request to S. Jester to refrain from using the "f-bomb" in his post qualifies her as being "demanding" and "tyrannical," too? [Regardless of the TOS.]
Oh but I do. I don't disagree with her decision however. ML has admin priviledges and makes her own decisions as to what is acceptable behavior here. Right off hand I don't remember if the TOS forbids such language. I shall go rectify that today. The TOS allows the admins to demand the removal of "vulgar" language. I guess you don't remember the days of the abundant references to beastiality and (good natured) coarse language that used to be so common here at TCF? I don't use such language myself but do actually believe that my freedoms and Everyone's freedoms are complete and omniscient or they are a hoax. Even in language re: free speech. In private situations (like here at TMM) the Owner or their designate gets to set the limits. Vulgar happens to be a very "loose" term but ML and the other admins are that designate here. We all agreed to abide by their supervision as a stipulation of our membership here.
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I agree with you that MOUSE could have ignored the bad language or reported it or asked to be removed or she could have quit her job. However, I do not agree that merely asking someone to temporarily refrain from certain behavior would be on par with tyranny (her form or otherwise). I might be missing your point here, but I just don't see what's so offensive about the act of asking?

Do you think that IF her shift mates had Not complied with her "request" that she would Not have complained to her supervisor about them? Would she Not have instituted a complaint with the Company to enforce her "preferences"?
These things were not discussed but my experience with similar instances has always led to the non y-chromazone Person having her preferences enforced by the only too PC Company Bosses.

Oh But I am forgetting my Male Dominance Priviledge. (/sarc)  :rolleyes:

edit to correct TOG to TOS
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2015, 04:40:21 pm »

It's actually like pretty much everything else in life... we have to negotiate our differences if we want to live in peace. And if someone has an absolute priority to impose that foul language on others who politely ask, at TMM they might find themselves no longer invited to the conversation... as gooch pointed out. If foul language is a priority for anyone, I'm sure they can find other fora where it is welcome.

But no hard and fast "rules" exist here. Speak away, but remember that mutual consideration for each other is the glue that makes TMM happen.
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2015, 05:04:38 pm »

I try to use the PG-13 guidelines.

In two hours of content, you are allowed one Fuck, two Shits, and can briefly show boobs and butt cheeks as long as no one is actually having fun with them.

Now I just blew my F and one of my Ss, so I'll behave for a while now.

For some reason I can be as violent as I want though...  That seems pretty messed up.  I think we'd all be much healthier if we had more sex and less violence, but I'm weird like that.

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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2015, 07:25:48 pm »

That was the one.  Jessica Jones has some steamy stuff in it, but it fits the story much better at least.  Same with House of Cards.  It was just plain distracting in Marco Polo.

Indeed. I get that the harem scenes were part of the story, but it could have excluded the actual sex without changing the story. The one that was really over the top was when he smoked opium out in the desert and went to that old guy's version of paradise.
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2015, 08:46:12 pm »

Hi Gooch! Happy New Year! I still think I am missing your point in your original response to Mouse as I did not understand the harm/offense in her asking? I wanted to understand how the act of asking is comparable to tyranny in your opinion. As for the latest response, I also fail to see what gender has to do the act of asking someone to curb certain behaviors?

I don't suppose that you have yet been the victim of the feminazi sjw's as yet. Oh wait you have your status as a non-y chromazone citizen to protect you from that unpleasant situation.

If you would be gracious enough to accept my response, I have seen misogyny up close and personal from both males and females. :)
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2015, 08:54:05 pm »

...the PC crowd keeps changing the rules and I have pretty much given up on them. EVERYTHING insults them.

Indeed, Tahn. Indeed. :)
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2015, 09:00:51 pm »

That was the one.  Jessica Jones has some steamy stuff in it, but it fits the story much better at least.  Same with House of Cards.  It was just plain distracting in Marco Polo.

Indeed. I get that the harem scenes were part of the story, but it could have excluded the actual sex without changing the story. The one that was really over the top was when he smoked opium out in the desert and went to that old guy's version of paradise.

There was another very sexy scene where they were flashing back and forth between the sexy stuff and what I thought was the most horrific violence in the show: the foot binding of the little girl.  I was actually kind of angry at that point.  Either scene would have been tolerable to me, but someone deliberately chose to put those two scenes together with the music crescendoing to that point.

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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2015, 09:18:16 pm »

How is the show Spartacus in regards to gratuitous violence, sex, language?
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2015, 07:55:13 am »

For some reason I can be as violent as I want though...  That seems pretty messed up.  I think we'd all be much healthier if we had more sex and less violence, but I'm weird like that.

I agree. Very weird.

I am reminded of an old George Carlin skit in which he bemoans the fact that the F-word is curse instead of a blessing. I'd link to a video of it, but I couldn't find one.
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2015, 08:51:26 am »

the F-word is curse instead of a blessing.

Could be, to some of course. But it depends on both the giver and receiver of that curse or blessing. A bowel movement can be an incredible blessing, but we don't call each other BMs as a blessing generally. And not many use the f word to convey a blessing either. If we did, the perception might be quite different. :)
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2015, 04:07:19 pm »

EE…

My father brought me up to believe that sophisticated Gentlemen and Ladies do to need to resort to cursing to make their point…

I do not know why, but I largely excluded such language from my speech although I had no desire whatsoever to be thought of as either a gentleman or sophisticated. My ideal man at that time was closer to Robert E Howard's notion of a "Barbarian" or at least as a rough-and-tumble son of the blue-collar class.

This doesn't work.

I was constantly picked on and constitutionally unable to ever back down or to alter my behavior.

I remember things like sitting in class and being slapped quite viciously on the back of the head repeatedly—and though I strongly suspected the dude straight behind me it could have been two or three others.

It took me tweny-five years to realize that saying things like:

"If I catch you at that, I will stomp the poo right out of you!" Only occasioned contempt for one's toughness and for one's person.

Let me add that while I'm not gay—and regard it as an aberration—there is an odd tendency amongst late middle school and high school aged adolescents to suppose that Homosexuality lies at the root of all failures to conform and all eccentricities.

I remember a fat sow of a German teacher—I'm not condemning all fat German teachers—just this one.

Male students would call me gutter language terms for a Knobgobbler, Incest Practitioner, Eater of Feces and what have you.

I do not see how she could have failed to hear as the insults weren't shouted but the volume was well above conversational.

I'd reply with something like, "Actually you're the one who brushes your teeth with poo and then gargles pee and you like to sprinkle rat turds on your morning oatmeal."

And the favorite playing bitch would chastise me for talking "Vulgar".

I used to get the idea when talking to Authority figures that they must be pretending not to know certain things that they knew very well. I also felt that if they're truly that clueless I don't know exactly where to begin.

I would like to know what she'd say if I'd said:

"You cannot failed to notice that I'm struck with balls of paper; struck with surreptitious blows; poked with sharpened pencils hard enough to draw blood and excoriated in the harshest of gutter language. My "vulgar" use of words like "poop, pee, turd, etc." Is an attempt not to be a passive victim and is an attempt at verbal self defense and counterattack—so why do you always call me out?"

She was still in her twenties—I think—and unlike teachers who strove to enforce universal tolerance—I suspect that she disliked me as much as most of my teenage tormentors.

And please excuse the Latin. Nothing offends me quite as much as a non-healthcare professional calling "Naughty" body parts by their Latin names as a form of euphemism.


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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2015, 06:27:37 pm »

RVM45, I suspect the real problem wasn't the language or lack of it... but the context. Nothing really functions to the benefit of the people involved in a collectivist situation like "public school."
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2015, 02:22:49 pm »


That's not the impression I got from her post --at all. I am surprised that you equate her politeness by asking (not demanding) with tyranny! I see nothing unreasonable asking someone to "clean up their language."


Ahhh, we call this cognitive dissonance, aloofness, or just flat out wrong.

Seriously, you are aware that thin skinned female co workers have gotten many a guy fired or thrown in jail for "giving offense" to their pwetty leetl eaws... right?  Tell me you aren't aware of this, and I'll laugh in your face. 

Let me tell you a funny one from my personal experience.  I worked for one of the top 500 growing companies of the US (ranked there for several years in a row, and I worked with em since we started it in the owner's garage.)  Second year it was already a multi million dollar company.

We lost several people due to non performance, it was a hard core fast paced, hard push environment,  but the core team worked our asses off, and rode each other like cheap Thai whores, and that sort of joke was milquetoast in the shop, behind closed doors.  We were ROUGH!!  And then we hired our first woman.  Now we had to have a federally approved "equal opportunity" employer plaque, and all sorts of new policies.  No harassment, no offenses, etc.  Boss came in one day and said "we've been playing it fast and loose for a few years, and we've done well, but now we've grown up and we can't pull that shit any more, in other words, BE VERY CAREFUL AROUND THE NEW GAL, I don't want to get sued!"


Overnight the fun fast paced hard core environment we had all thrived on more than coffee, was gone.  We were at each other's throats a lot more often.  It wasn't long before I quit and reopened an old business and started another in a completely different field (in populated areas in economies not completely destroyed by government and hill billyism, you can get a lot done with a remote terminal.)  Then I moved to Wyoming and took a dump on my career and both my businesses.

So, don't give me that "polite asking" crap.  Polite asking is a precursor to a harassment lawsuit or "unsafe workplace" lawsuit.  My old boss knew it.  The gal said she didn't mind, but we all know how this crap works in the new psycho feminazi world... she says she wants your babies, and halfway through coitus she changes her mind, and now you're a rapist, screwed for life.  Its been going on in business a lot longer... and any boss and any male employee knows this intimately without saying it out loud.  We kowtow because we know the moment you get to whining to the boss, we get fired, because nobody wants the feds crawling up their ass because of an unhappy female employee.  This is why I wore several different covert recorders and kept almost a terabyte of cycling data storage of my conversations.  I got tired of having to watch every word I said and quit.

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I suppose MamaLiberty's recent request to S. Jester to refrain from using the "f-bomb" in his post qualifies her as being "demanding" and "tyrannical," too? [Regardless of the TOG.] I agree with you that MOUSE could have ignored the bad language or reported it or asked to be removed or she could have quit her job. However, I do not agree that merely asking someone to temporarily refrain from certain behavior would be on par with tyranny (her form or otherwise). I might be missing your point here, but I just don't see what's so offensive about the act of asking?

See my post above.  We're here voluntarily.  Short of direct ad hominem attacks, I strongly doubt ANYONE is getting banned for naughty talk on a freedom forum.  If that practice is starting, I'll be sure to quit fairly soon myself.  Wyoming was a shit sale, and if TMM turns out to turn into a bait and switch it wouldn't be worth staying.  Again, at work you kiss ass and CYA, especially around thin skinned females.  On a FREEDOM forum, you learn to have a thick skin, freedom means some people will have very naughty prerogatives with other consenting adults who also hold those naughty prerogatives.

If you want a proper education, look up DarkMatter2525's videos Samson Da Barbarian on youtube.  For those who can't view videos, here's the breakdown: the third episode has a bedroom scene where Samson's naked body has a box around his nipples titled "inoffensive male nipples" which shows his nipples.  The gal has a black box on hers titled "offensive female nipples."  When he stands up, he has the same "offensive" black box dangling between his legs as he walks off.  That there covers the entirety of naughty and stupid control freakism.  Shirtless macho dudes "look good."  Not since the phoenicians have a pair of women's naked breasts been considered "her honor."  Janet Jackson shows a boob during the superbowl and all the hypocrite super-christians in America blow a fucking gasket about wardrobe malfunctions!  (Frankly I think she has nice boobs, I'm not into black girls, but she's a nice specimen, by far.)  All the idiots went berserk that "kids minds could have been damaged by seeing a nipple!!!"  Seriously, they sucked nipples for at least ONE YEAR of their lives, in their most formative stage, how come none of those idiots accused every kid in America of having an Oedipus complex?  Didn't all that breastfeeding damage their little minds a lot more than seeing Janet's nipple for a couple of seconds?

The double standards and hypocrisy are ridiculous, and I'd hope you gals here would be over that bullshit.

(also, moonbeam, the reason your hubby gets more offended or knows "you mean it" when you really curse at him is because he knows that's the only time you're honest with your words... saying "oh fudge packers" in a sing song voice when you stub your toe tells everyone around that you didn't really hurt yourself.  Saying "motherF***er!!!" (see, I censored it to not offend the easily offended) when you crunch your hand with a hammer while driving nails, and then flinging the hammer in rage, lets everyone know you actually did get hurt, and are actually pissed off.  Even my dog knows when I mean it and when I don't.  I'd expect the same of any healthy adult, and your hubby seems the type.  Hell, you seem pretty healthy yourself, other than the double standard issues.  :)
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Re: TV gone to Pot?
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2015, 05:23:52 pm »

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