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[heyoka]

 
DL.......da MAN 

[Baked at 420]

That was the one.  Jessica Jones has some steamy stuff in it, but it fits the story much better at least.  Same with House of Cards.  It was just plain distracting in Marco Polo.

Indeed. I get that the harem scenes were part of the story, but it could have excluded the actual sex without changing the story. The one that was really over the top was when he smoked opium out in the desert and went to that old guy's version of paradise.

There was another very sexy scene where they were flashing back and forth between the sexy stuff and what I thought was the most horrific violence in the show: the foot binding of the little girl.  I was actually kind of angry at that point.  Either scene would have been tolerable to me, but someone deliberately chose to put those two scenes together with the music crescendoing to that point.

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Yeah, I found that disturbing.

[da gooch]

Hi Gooch! Happy New Year! I still think I am missing your point in your original response to Mouse as I did not understand the harm/offense in her asking? I wanted to understand how the act of asking is comparable to tyranny in your opinion. As for the latest response, I also fail to see what gender has to do the act of asking someone to curb certain behaviors?

I don't suppose that you have yet been the victim of the feminazi sjw's as yet. Oh wait you have your status as a non-y chromazone citizen to protect you from that unpleasant situation.

If you would be gracious enough to accept my response, I have seen misogyny up close and personal from both males and females.

Hi Moonbeam.
I wish a Happy, Safe and Profitable New Year to you and your family.

Now to respond to your post.
I will defer to Destin Faruda who has responded to your query sooner than I was able to do and has expressed the underlying principles much better than I would have been able to express them.

That's not the impression I got from her post --at all. I am surprised that you equate her politeness by asking (not demanding) with tyranny! I see nothing unreasonable asking someone to "clean up their language."

Ahhh, we call this cognitive dissonance, aloofness, or just flat out wrong.

Seriously, you are aware that thin skinned female co workers have gotten many a guy fired or thrown in jail for "giving offense" to their pwetty leetl eaws... right?  Tell me you aren't aware of this, and I'll laugh in your face. 

Let me tell you a funny one from my personal experience.  I worked for one of the top 500 growing companies of the US (ranked there for several years in a row, and I worked with em since we started it in the owner's garage.)  Second year it was already a multi million dollar company.

We lost several people due to non performance, it was a hard core fast paced, hard push environment,  but the core team worked our asses off, and rode each other like cheap Thai whores, and that sort of joke was milquetoast in the shop, behind closed doors.  We were ROUGH!!  And then we hired our first woman.  Now we had to have a federally approved "equal opportunity" employer plaque, and all sorts of new policies.  No harassment, no offenses, etc.  Boss came in one day and said "we've been playing it fast and loose for a few years, and we've done well, but now we've grown up and we can't pull that shit any more, in other words, BE VERY CAREFUL AROUND THE NEW GAL, I don't want to get sued!"


Overnight the fun fast paced hard core environment we had all thrived on more than coffee, was gone.  We were at each other's throats a lot more often.  It wasn't long before I quit and reopened an old business and started another in a completely different field (in populated areas in economies not completely destroyed by government and hill billyism, you can get a lot done with a remote terminal.)  Then I moved to Wyoming and took a dump on my career and both my businesses.

So, don't give me that "polite asking" crap.  Polite asking is a precursor to a harassment lawsuit or "unsafe workplace" lawsuit.  My old boss knew it.  The gal said she didn't mind, but we all know how this crap works in the new psycho feminazi world... she says she wants your babies, and halfway through coitus she changes her mind, and now you're a rapist, screwed for life.  Its been going on in business a lot longer... and any boss and any male employee knows this intimately without saying it out loud.  We kowtow because we know the moment you get to whining to the boss, we get fired, because nobody wants the feds crawling up their ass because of an unhappy female employee.  This is why I wore several different covert recorders and kept almost a terabyte of cycling data storage of my conversations.  I got tired of having to watch every word I said and quit.

I suppose MamaLiberty's recent request to S. Jester to refrain from using the "f-bomb" in his post qualifies her as being "demanding" and "tyrannical," too? [Regardless of the TOG.] I agree with you that MOUSE could have ignored the bad language or reported it or asked to be removed or she could have quit her job. However, I do not agree that merely asking someone to temporarily refrain from certain behavior would be on par with tyranny (her form or otherwise). I might be missing your point here, but I just don't see what's so offensive about the act of asking?

See my post above.  We're here voluntarily.  Short of direct ad hominem attacks, I strongly doubt ANYONE is getting banned for naughty talk on a freedom forum.  If that practice is starting, I'll be sure to quit fairly soon myself.  Wyoming was a shit sale, and if TMM turns out to turn into a bait and switch it wouldn't be worth staying.  Again, at work you kiss ass and CYA, especially around thin skinned females.  On a FREEDOM forum, you learn to have a thick skin, freedom means some people will have very naughty prerogatives with other consenting adults who also hold those naughty prerogatives.

If you want a proper education, look up DarkMatter2525's videos Samson Da Barbarian on youtube.  For those who can't view videos, here's the breakdown: the third episode has a bedroom scene where Samson's naked body has a box around his nipples titled "inoffensive male nipples" which shows his nipples.  The gal has a black box on hers titled "offensive female nipples."  When he stands up, he has the same "offensive" black box dangling between his legs as he walks off.  That there covers the entirety of naughty and stupid control freakism.  Shirtless macho dudes "look good."  Not since the phoenicians have a pair of women's naked breasts been considered "her honor."  Janet Jackson shows a boob during the superbowl and all the hypocrite super-christians in America blow a fucking gasket about wardrobe malfunctions!  (Frankly I think she has nice boobs, I'm not into black girls, but she's a nice specimen, by far.)  All the idiots went berserk that "kids minds could have been damaged by seeing a nipple!!!"  Seriously, they sucked nipples for at least ONE YEAR of their lives, in their most formative stage, how come none of those idiots accused every kid in America of having an Oedipus complex?  Didn't all that breastfeeding damage their little minds a lot more than seeing Janet's nipple for a couple of seconds?

The double standards and hypocrisy are ridiculous, and I'd hope you gals here would be over that bullshit.

(also, moonbeam, the reason your hubby gets more offended or knows "you mean it" when you really curse at him is because he knows that's the only time you're honest with your words... saying "oh fudge packers" in a sing song voice when you stub your toe tells everyone around that you didn't really hurt yourself.  Saying "motherF***er!!!" (see, I censored it to not offend the easily offended) when you crunch your hand with a hammer while driving nails, and then flinging the hammer in rage, lets everyone know you actually did get hurt, and are actually pissed off.  Even my dog knows when I mean it and when I don't.  I'd expect the same of any healthy adult, and your hubby seems the type.  Hell, you seem pretty healthy yourself, other than the double standard issues. 

[Moonbeam]

I will defer to Destin Faruda who has responded to your query sooner than I was able to do and has expressed the underlying principles much better than I would have been able to express them.

Oh that’s too bad. I was positive you would have easily explained your position on why you equate the act of asking with tyranny instead of referring to someone else’s rant. It seems obvious to me that this discussion has taken two different paths as some have conflated the topic.

For me this isn’t about gender or cussing: this is about understanding why you believe the act of asking is comparable to tyranny. For others it seems this topic is not about the act of asking but about another example of a woman inflicting injury upon another.

In Mouse’s case the coworkers were not browbeaten or threatened or intimidated by her, but rather they agreed to her request (not threat) to curtail a very specific behavior. From her vast amount of postings I would hardly jump to the conclusion that Mouse would use any kind of force to impose her personal preference upon anyone. To project the horror stories of what some other women have done upon her is unreasonable, IMHO.

What I fail to understand and what no one has bothered to explain is why the act of asking is so offensive it would be compared to tyranny? Furthermore, what does gender have to do with the act of asking?

I am not without sympathy for the folly others have suffered at the hands of irrational, bad tempered women. [Nor am I without empathy for the horror that women have suffered at the hands of men.] I just don’t see the relevance of gender in the act of asking.

[Klapton Isgod]

I think they explained it already, perhaps with more heat and passion than was helpful.  The American workplace is rapidly becoming a hostile environment for anything overtly masculine.  In many places, "PC" (political correctness) has become the religion behind a growing witch hunt.  It's ugly. 

Decent men have been scapegoated, used as an example, etc. in workplace discipline, and had their livelihoods taken from them because a woman in the workplace "asked" for something.  She may have been right or wrong, reasonable or selfish in asking for whatever.  The culture of many workplaces now is such that this might be used to further punish the "patriarchy" by ruining a decent man's life.

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[Moonbeam]

So the offensive line is drawn at the workplace? If Mouse would have asked the men folk at say a bar, that wouldn't have been tyrannical? I'm not being a wise-guy - I truly wish to understand why the act of asking is tyrannical.

[DiabloLoco]

So the offensive line is drawn at the workplace? If Mouse would have asked the men folk at say a bar, that wouldn't have been tyrannical? I'm not being a wise-guy - I truly wish to understand why the act of asking is tyrannical.

Because to most people.......THEY'RE JUST WORDS!!!!! THEY HOLD NO POWER!!! It's not like "curse" words conjure an actual "curse". The only reason why some people get turned-off by those words is because they were brainwashed to. My freedom of speech does not end when someone gets offended or butt-hurt.

[MamaLiberty]

The only reason why some people get turned-off by those words is because they were brainwashed to.

Not at all. Some of us simply consider the use of foul language to be impolite, like picking your nose or your butt in the midst of otherwise polite company. Do you think that foul language or nose picking should be completely acceptable without question, everywhere? Seems to me that if one is impolite in public, they should not be shocked to find that others have no desire to see the butt picking and ask them to stop it, or refuse to endure their company any longer. Cursing and mindless repetition of a foul word are two different things, by the way. F*** is a slang word representing a verb, not an adjective or a modifier. It is meaningless garbage when used as a "flavor" in between every other word.

An armed society is a POLITE society, with common decency being the grease in the gears. That means mutual respect and negotiation of disagreements in the absence of aggression.

I fully agree that there is no "right" not to be offended, but the right of voluntary association actually takes care of that. Those who enjoy or don't mind the foul language are free to get together, and those who do not appreciate it are free to associate among themselves as well. Nobody gets to impose their stuff on others.

The idea of trying to force one group to accommodate the other is the real problem. In a workplace situation, the owner of the business should simply make the rules and the employees are free to stay or leave as they wish. If an employee simply asks others not to use this language, it is a request like any other... take it or leave it. It certainly does not rise to the level of aggression merely to ask.

[DiabloLoco]

Not at all. Some of us simply consider the use of foul language to be impolite, like picking your nose or your butt in the midst of otherwise polite company. Do you think that foul language or nose picking should be completely acceptable without question, everywhere?

Foul language hurts nobody. Never has and never will. Is it impolite in certain circumstances? Sure, you bet. It cannot be justly compared with nose or butt picking though. Those actions are unsanitary and could potentially sicken all those that the "picker" comes in contact with. The same cannot be said about foul language. Well.....as long as the F sounds are produced without spittle.

All this aside, I only use "foul" language around certain types of people. Never around my minions. Not because I think that the words are bad, but because I know how many people would react if the minions used those words amongst the brain washed masses. It would be like sending them out with a t-shirt that has 666 across the front. 666 is just a number, right? But to certain people...........

[MamaLiberty]

Foul language hurts nobody.

Not a matter of "hurt," but of respect and mutual courtesy. Calling someone a "nig**" doesn't cause harm either... well, at least not to the ones addressed. They might HURT the guy who said it. But yeah, other than that, it's just a word...  What matters is how it is used, and maybe how often. I generally just tune it out, but every other word is terribly annoying and I just won't listen at all. Therefore, if someone wants to convey a message to me, they will avoid that language. If they didn't want to communicate with me anyway, nothing lost.

The point is that it is discourteous and disrespectful to use foul language in a situation where it is not generally appreciated and people have asked for it to stop. The foul language people can certainly say anything they want, but those who don't want to hear it have an equal right of free speech. 

Associate with whom you wish, of course. Just don't expect everyone to want to associate with you if they must listen to disrespectful, discourteous speech.

[da gooch]

So the offensive line is drawn at the workplace? If Mouse would have asked the men folk at say a bar, that wouldn't have been tyrannical? I'm not being a wise-guy - I truly wish to understand why the act of asking is tyrannical.

"Freedom is not being able to do what you want to do; freedom is being able to NOT do what you don't want to do."


I am not even slightly interested in participating in your obvious and overt attempt to brand me as a misogynist.
If you have not understood, can not understand, will not understand the various explanations that have been expressed here then I cannot not help you.

I stand by my earlier statement which is an expression of My Personal Opinion.

[Tahn L.]

Moonbeam,

 As near as I can tell, the reaction is because of a fear of PC backlash (in the workplace, not here) because it could be construed as a violation of fed rules, which is certainly a valid concern in todays world.

Gooch and Klapton,   What if a guy "asked" the same question?   Oh wait, "he" might not be a "he" or might be a LGBTQ or something and also take offense. It's a sick world out there.

 When I was a hippy we just wanted to have free speech and say things like "fuck" and "stop the war" in public. Now it is wrong to even say "Sir" or "Ma'am" to someone as you might offend them. Sick, sick, sick.

 I say  "Fuck em  heck with them all!" 

[Klapton Isgod]

Gooch and Klapton,   What if a guy "asked" the same question?   Oh wait, "he" might not be a "he" or might be a LGBTQ or something and also take offense. It's a sick world out there.

Being a favored class makes all the difference.

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[da gooch]

                    "Always pick your own battlefield."

                          Sun Tsu, The Art of War

[Moonbeam]

Gooch - I am so sorry that my curiosity provoked you to such a degree that you would think such ill will of me. I would never consider you a hater of women. A salty dog perhaps on occasion ( ) but never that! My focus when I posted those questions was in regards to understanding the action of asking - not on the gender asking nor where the asking took place nor what was asked. You obviously had a different interpretation/assumption/perspective.