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DiabloLoco

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The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« on: November 30, 2014, 08:14:24 am »

I'm surprised that it wasn't posted here before the action.

Police shut down mysterious 'Oath Keepers' guarding rooftops in downtown Ferguson

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-shut-down-mysterious-oath-keepers-guarding-rooftops-in-downtown/article_f90b6edd-acf8-52e3-a020-3a78db286194.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

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“I opened the window and said, ‘Hey, can I help you?’” said Hildebrand, 35, a website developer.

The man said he was security and would be up there at night with others to protect the pocket of second-story apartments and lower-level storefronts near the Ferguson Police Department. A day earlier, rioters had broken out windows below Hildebrand’s apartment in the 100 block of South Florissant Road and torched a nearby beauty supply store.

“I am in the middle of a difficult spot,” Hildebrand said. “I feel a lot better having those guys up on the roof.”

But he wasn’t clear exactly who “those guys” were or where they came from.

Puzzled and alarmed protesters have wondered, too — some accusing the mysterious guards in military fatigues of being in the Ku Klux Klan.

In fact, they are volunteers affiliated with a 35,000-member national organization called Oath Keepers.



Police questioned group members early in the week and allowed them to stay. But Saturday, after media inquiries, St. Louis County police officers ordered the Oath Keepers to leave the rooftops.

Threatened with arrest for operating without a license, the volunteers argued but eventually left their positions early Saturday, Rhodes said.

“We are going to go back as protesters,” Rhodes said Saturday afternoon.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2014, 06:35:04 pm »

It is looking an awful lot like the rulers want arson, looting and a racial divide.  Pressuring the local cops to chase the Oath Keepers off is just one bit of evidence. The day before, federal snipers set up and aimed at them in a failed intimidation attempt. 

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2014, 05:12:00 pm »

Yep. The snipers got scope pictures sent to them by other snipers.......
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2014, 10:18:53 pm »

"In the wake of Monday’s grand jury announcement, Oath Keepers put out a national request to members to help in Ferguson."

I guess that shows me just how "in the loop" I am with OK these days. Not. One. Peep.
No phone call, no email, no member enroute stopping by to ask If I was interested in riding along.
Nothing. Nada. Zip.

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I wonder if it is the well known fact that I am poor and cannot afford to traipse half way across the country to respond to every incident that comes along OR the fact that I am no longer one of the "fitter" members OR that my chronological number exceeds the caliber of my MBR?

I suppose I should be more attentive to the OK website BUT it is so script dense that on my "blazing fast" 56K (average speed is 28.8 Kbps) dial up connection it takes an hour to load. There May be a small exageration hereabouts ... ahem



Meanwhile, if there are any other links to this Oath Keeper sighting I would appreciate their being brought to us here at TMM. Where Oath Keepers was created.....

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2014, 10:21:16 pm »

Yep. The snipers got scope pictures sent to them by other snipers.......

This sort of thing usually does encourage the reconsidering of ones position doesn't it?
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2014, 03:26:50 pm »


Meanwhile, if there are any other links to this Oath Keeper sighting I would appreciate their being brought to us here at TMM. Where Oath Keepers was created.....
I know, right? That's why I posted the article. I was VERY surprised that there was no mention of this here on TMM. Is Oath Keepers starting to distance themselves from us wackos? Has TMM become too anti-government for them? Tarnishing their desired public image?

Over the past few years, the number of active members has dwindled. The number of new members has decreased quite a bit as well. Is TMM dying, or is this a natural, cyclical thing? Another thing......When JWR handed over the helm of Survivalblog to this "Hugh" character (big mistake IMHO), I'm pretty sure that the referrals for membership to TMM stopped too. That's how I personally found TMM. Rawles suggested it. I'm glad he did! If you really think about it, who was the last new "regular poster". There hasn't been any in quite a long time. :huh:
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2014, 03:50:38 pm »

Over the past few years, the number of active members has dwindled. The number of new members has decreased quite a bit as well. Is TMM dying, or is this a natural, cyclical thing?

The only thing that never changes is that all things change...

I'm old enough to remember getting our first telephone, the fun of a 16 party line, and how wonderful it was when there were only four other families on that party line later. I remember coffee houses and cork message boards in college, the total paradigm shift of the universe when the post it note came along (LOL)... Leap forward to the start of email. How exciting it was to join the various email groups and discuss things with people all over the place. The forum was a natural outgrowth of that, and gradually blog comment sections took a bite out of those. Now there is a whole new world with "facebook," "twitter" and such things, with ever more and new ones in the pipe for the future. The future comes along a whole lot faster than ever these days. sigh

So, it is entirely possible that TMM can't compete with the newer forms of "social media" and that people we might have attracted in the past will never know TMM exists.

I'd say let's enjoy it while we may, and make every effort to participate if we value it. Otherwise, yes... it will surely die. 
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2014, 05:02:52 am »


Meanwhile, if there are any other links to this Oath Keeper sighting I would appreciate their being brought to us here at TMM. Where Oath Keepers was created.....
I know, right? That's why I posted the article. I was VERY surprised that there was no mention of this here on TMM. Is Oath Keepers starting to distance themselves from us wackos? Has TMM become too anti-government for them? Tarnishing their desired public image?

Over the past few years, the number of active members has dwindled. The number of new members has decreased quite a bit as well. Is TMM dying, or is this a natural, cyclical thing? Another thing......When JWR handed over the helm of Survivalblog to this "Hugh" character (big mistake IMHO), I'm pretty sure that the referrals for membership to TMM stopped too. That's how I personally found TMM. Rawles suggested it. I'm glad he did! If you really think about it, who was the last new "regular poster". There hasn't been any in quite a long time. :huh:

In the past I have mentioned several times that I could pack this place with lots of new readers, but the consensus has generally been that we want to keep this place protected from the unwashed masses. So I have not done anything to drive traffic to here. It would be very simple -- I would just ask Bill to get us a "recognized" certificate, then I would put out an email blast to Oath Keepers' membership and support base, which is more than 55,000 souls, and link to here. Some of our members in Oath Keepers will not like what they see here, but thousands of them would. We are dealing with larger numbers at Oath Keepers, and percentages come into play.

Howsome-ever, until the Admins here let me know they want new faces at this table, I'm not going to bring 'em. Personally, I'd like to develop the theme, "Mental Militia", and make it popular with the people outside this small group. I'd like to sell things through this site so I could make some bucks -- long years ago I made up The Mental Militia T-shirts -- that was about twelve years ago. Sold 'em all except for a couple I keep as mementos. It would be very easy to do TMM coffee mugs, hats, and T-shirts and also place a "donate" button on the site here, and generate interest in this place -- because -- the idea of a "Mental" Militia is very timely today.  But when I brought up the topic of doing T-shirts to our Admins last year, there was no real interest and some suggestions that the shirts would not sell anyway, so I dropped that idea.

I am working with James Jaeger and Edwin Vieira, Stewart Rhodes and Chuck Baldwin, Sheriff Mack and Ron Paul, KrisAnne Hall and Walter Reddy (co-founder of the Tea Party), USN Commander David R. Gillie and Rosie Haas, Devvy Kidd and Larry Pratt (of GOA) on this new film named Midnight Ride. The film was inspired by Edwin Vieira's newest book, "By Tyranny Out Of Necessity: The Bastardy Of Martial Law" and it's about the four types of "martial law". Given the dramatic militarization of our local cops these days, the DHS Fusion Centers connecting your local cop with the highest federal powers and interfacing them all into one chain of command, and given the pre-placement of military equipment in smalltown USA, and given the current spate of police brutality, etc etc, we're looking at an infrastructure for a military-police state enforcing martial law. That’s coming, mark my words.

Dr. Vieira notes that the only salvation for America in the face of this sort of martial law threat is to immediately form our Constitutional "Militia of the several States" as the Constitution requires. What Oath Keepers has done this year at the Bundy ranch and in Ferguson, Missouri, when paired with development of our Community Preparedness Teams (CPT), shows the path which Dr. Vieira has pointed out to us. It starts at the community level and moves to institute Militia offices in County Commissions, where all citizens go to register and become thereby individual parts of their own local government. The movie MIDNIGHT RIDE will promote Edwin Vieira's vision outward to the liberty movement, but as James Jaeger noted on the Liberty Brothers radio show today, getting that message out to the circles which await beyond the reach of the liberty movement, is a trick. Hitting the average American over the head with a frying pan with smart-assed remarks about purist perspectives on libertarianism or philosophical anarchy suddenly shuts the door to that one person's mind, and the message that said person needs to grok is lost in futility as he walks away mad. Oath Keepers has a way of getting past that barrier, and TMM could do it also, if "we" here at TMM merely wanted to do so. But again, to date this group has held fast with a mutual disdain for allowing the unwashed masses into our little oasis of libertarianism.

This place has huge potential for growth and development, for as I noted already its time has come. Those of you who have been here forever will recall that I'm the guy who named "The Mental Militia" back in 1999 as a Yahoo Club (before the clubs were turned into groups) (and also of note, that original Yahoo Club site is still online after all these years, by invitation only). I am the guy who had Bark build this forum in 2003, which we as TMM gave to Claire Wolfe and Debra Ricketts and named "The Claire Files Forums". When Kirsten and her crew of subversives did their infamous "Flounce-off" after four years of head-aches for Claire, Claire sold this place back to TMM. We bought the site from her in 2007 for $1500.00, under her expressed requirement that we rename it from The Claire Files Forum back to The Mental Militia. I say "we" bought it because we used this site to raise that money, which was contributed by many of our members here. At that time I bowed out as an "authority figure" here and became just another one of the Administrators with no extra powers. I wanted it to be a group effort, with no one person in command. I even let them require that I quit calling myself “General Elias Alias”, though Claire calls me that to this day, and some of us old timers here also call me that.

I have no desire to over-ride anyone's wishes here, so I have held back on running this place as I'd want to, and y'all should probably be glad about that, lol. But if the Admins want to give me license to develop traffic and money here and get this idea of a "Mental Militia" out to the American people, that can be done. What I would want would be the "right" to think up ideas for things to sell so I could supplement my income from the traffic at this forum. Otherwise, I'll slowly, as minutes allow, continue to build my own site and start selling my poetry there, and perhaps start up an "Alias Revolution" movement at my site, or something.

I have had that site for several years. Ragnar built it originally as a Drupal site, at my request, and I paid him to do that, but recently I've asked Bill St. Clair to be the webmaster for it, as Rags has not got the time. There are less than twenty articles posted on that site, for one good reason -- I'm editor for Oath Keepers national, am on their Board of Directors, and work like a beaver for James Jaeger and Edwin Vieira on making movies which might help someone some day decide to live and work for freedom, maybe. I have zero minutes each day for myself, but try at times to sit for a stolen hour and do some writing for my own pleasure, and every now and then I actually get a post up at my own site. But soon I will put up a "tip jar" link there to accept donations from people who appreciate my work and want to help keep me going, and my hope is that some day I'll be able to make my basic income from developments at that site. (Dream on, right?) LOL!  Of from this site.

Anyway, this place has a history and that history is fine with me. I don't post here often for reasons I have just explained -- no minutes, day after day. I've been five and a half years totally swamped with trying to keep up with Stewart Rhodes, and that's enough to make me an old man, which I now appear to be, ack!

So anyway, when y'all get to thinking you'd like to rock 'n roll with this place, let me know and I'll focus energies here for future development and hopefully a bit of future income for myself. There could also be a fund established for the leadership at this forum in addition to what I might need, such as paying Bill St. Clair for what he does for us here. It would be great to cut a check for MamaLiberty now and then, for all she has done over the years. I've been sending Bill money in gratitude for his loyal and dependable service to this place, and for paying TMM’s bills. I get that money as a paid employee of a Nevada corporation named Oath Keepers, which would probably be paying Gooch too had he stayed in the saddle long enough. I worked for free for Oath Keepers for several years and paid some of Oath Keepers costs out of my own pocket. Now I'm being paid by the organization to do what I do for it, and I use some of that money (which ain't a lot, but is enough to pay for the groceries and gasoline and my rent) to pay the bills here. That is why I owe my minutes and time first to Oath Keepers, and must take care of my responsibilities there before I can come by here and use up minutes to chew the fat, right?

The question of whether to let this place die on the vine or pump new life into it is of course a serious question for many reading here. I want to be on the record in stating right here that I do not have any wish to over-ride what the Admins here want to do about that, and I think that the regular members here should have a say in that also. Yes, I named the place, and am the oldest living member at these boards. (I noticed that some time back it was decided to leave off members’ member-number, and that doesn’t bother me either, but for the record, Bark was member #1, which was officially retired when he died of cancer at my home in Willow Creek, Montana, and I was member #2, ahead of Claire and Debra, because Bark and I built this place and had to be here first. That’s the history.) So I’m open, either which way this place wants to go.

I’m also aware of the conflicts which would come if we brought in a new bunch of people here, and the other problems which presently are mostly prevented by our member policy and Admin policy. I recommend that each person here, if one thinks about this question at all, be cognizant of the potential problems which new and larger traffic would bring with it. It’s y’all’s call, is my final word on the matter.  I can go with my own site, develop that for a future income, or I can build traffic here and develop income through this place, or continue to work as an associate producer on James Jaeger’s movies and start taking James up on his offers to pay me for the fundraising I do – which I’ve to this date declined to accept from him. But I’m an old guy, and need to think ahead for my remaining years, and I don’t like the idea of having all my eggs in one basket (Oath Keepers), even though Oath Keepers continues to show good strength and promise for the near future. Nice things keep on happening for us, such as Ted Nugent’s joining Oath Keepers as a lifetime member. The Bundy Ranch knocked us for a loop, and then along comes Ferguson and our numbers are swelling again due to the national publicity we’ve just had.

Personally, I think it would be sorta “wrong” to change the tone and dynamic of this place just to make it commercially viable. I do also think that it could be done in a way which would add a sparkle of excitement and a certain value in educational activity with outreach to those who have no clue about what’s happening to our country. To develop that, I’d want license from the Admins to draw money from the volume of money I think I (we) could generate here. Otherwise, I’m content to drop by at times for a brief visit, but cannot afford to work these boards the way I must work Oath Keepers’ national website and other facets of business. My cabin in the woods came cheaply, but the rent still comes due each month.

I think, in closing, that this place could recognize that it has a mission inherent in its very name, and the country is ready to look more closely into the whole idea of a Constitutional "Militia of the several States" as required in the Constitution; and I also think that we're in a mental war for the hearts and minds of the American people, and there is no better way to approach that war for the hearts and minds than to develop The Mental Militia and run this place like we at Oath Keepers run that place. Gooch is right -- Oath Keepers was born right here. I recall the private message I got from Stewart The Yalie back in 2008, wanting to talk with me about an idea he had. He told me he thought that idea would "grow legs", and it did. He will tell you today that I was the first guy he came to with the idea, and I'm damn proud of that fact. Visionary people are not like most other folks. I don't mind one bit admitting that I'm visionary in ways which I ascribe to my personal spirituality. I am a Voluntaryist, and a philosophical anarchist -- but I'm willing to come off my exalted high horse about my personal views long enough to share the light with those who are searching for some truth with which to answer the threat of the coming martial law. The question is: Is TMM ready and willing to step down off their libertarian purist high horse to become an effective tool for liberty? Or would TMM prefer to go quietly into that good night as people continue to lose interest in "just talking" on forums?

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2014, 05:49:27 am »


Meanwhile, if there are any other links to this Oath Keeper sighting I would appreciate their being brought to us here at TMM. Where Oath Keepers was created.....
I know, right? That's why I posted the article. I was VERY surprised that there was no mention of this here on TMM. Is Oath Keepers starting to distance themselves from us wackos? Has TMM become too anti-government for them? Tarnishing their desired public image?

Over the past few years, the number of active members has dwindled. The number of new members has decreased quite a bit as well. Is TMM dying, or is this a natural, cyclical thing? Another thing......When JWR handed over the helm of Survivalblog to this "Hugh" character (big mistake IMHO), I'm pretty sure that the referrals for membership to TMM stopped too. That's how I personally found TMM. Rawles suggested it. I'm glad he did! If you really think about it, who was the last new "regular poster". There hasn't been any in quite a long time. :huh:

Oath Keepers leadership has no reason to distance themselves from TMM. Again, as Gooch pointed out, Oath Keepers was born here. At the core of our leadership, we few who run Oath Keepers national fit nicely with the philosophy of self-governance and personal responsibility. TMM is not anti-government, it’s just particular about which government any free soul may choose for his own government – “the self” being high on my list, personally, and also on Stewart’s list as well. The only reason Stewart and I can’t be here more often has to do with what it takes to run a national organization. The insanity levels are indescribable. I’ve got more than thirty thousand unopened emails in my email inbox. Stewart’s inbox is in even worse shape. We already cannot possibly answer all our correspondence. There is the activity of the Board of Directors. There are the many State chapters with their needs, gripes and complaints as well as their awesome achievements which need posting at our site. There is all this public relations work, and the day-to-day workload – I burn DVDs for the Oath Keepers membership packets, and ship boxes of those all over the country, along with boxes of our brochures, bumper stickers, etc etc. And still try to find time to call my mother each day, noticing that I have to work to set aside the pressing needs for me to be elsewhere during the few minutes that call takes. We work with national names on a daily basis, travel, etc. For example, last year I rode with Stewart by car from Memphis, Tennessee, to Birmingham, Alabama where we picked up Mike Vanderboegh of the III% movement, up to Massachusetts for our Lexington Green Oath ceremony to mark Oath Keepers’ fourth anniversary. We appeared at two events in Connecticut, one event in New York upstate, and two events in Massachusetts. This year I’ve driven with my two cats from North Carolina to Washington State, from northern Montana to southern Nevada, and made a number of thousand-mile round trips on Oath Keepers business. Meanwhile, I have helped write the script for James Jaeger’s upcoming film, MIDNIGHT RIDE, have recruited five people to be in that movie, and have started promoting the film. Here is an example: 

https://eliasalias.com/2014/11/23/oath-keepers-saddle-up-for-midnight-ride/

I’m now writing up articles to announce KrisAnne Hall’s entry into the movie, and also Ron Paul’s coming on board.  I also post other-sourced articles at our website, clear the comments under our articles, answer as many “contact-us” messages as I can, deal with the Board work, take phone calls from all over the country, and yadda yadda etc etc etc until my head is swimming. It’s not that Oath Keepers wants to distance itself from TMM – it’s that we’re too damn busy to read and write here. What else am I doing? Well, since you asked, I’m helping build Oath Keepers’ brand new awesome website, and I’m writing the “Oath Keepers Academy”, which will be a section of our new site. The new site is beautiful and clean, and anyone can come in there and find easily whatever they’re looking for, which is not the case with our present site.

Regarding Rawles, for years he was using TMM as his forum, a fact which I encouraged him to do and made sure he knew he was welcome to do so. I don’t know who “Hugh” is, but I’ve not spoken with Rawles in quite some time, several years at least.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2014, 06:16:19 am »

"In the wake of Monday’s grand jury announcement, Oath Keepers put out a national request to members to help in Ferguson."

I guess that shows me just how "in the loop" I am with OK these days. Not. One. Peep.
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Meanwhile, if there are any other links to this Oath Keeper sighting I would appreciate their being brought to us here at TMM. Where Oath Keepers was created.....

Okay Gooch, looping you in now. Pay attention, okay? ;)

December 02 2014 _ Good interview video with Sam Andrews!
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/oath-keepers-are-back-on-the-rooftops-in-ferguson-despite/article_18757380-b471-5a6f-848c-a4dfe9805ed6.html




Our posting of the Dec 02 2014 Fox News interview with Jon Karriman, Missouri leader for OK
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/12/03/fox-news-insider-armed-oath-keepers-threatened-with-arrest-for-guarding-ferguson-shops/

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Our coverage of St. Louis Post-Dispatch article from Dec 02 2014 with vid of Sam Andrews
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/12/04/st-louis-post-dispatch-oath-keepers-still-on-roofs/

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Our attorney’s letter to Chief Belmar:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/249001595/Letter-for-Oath-Keepers-to-Chief
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http://benswann.com/exclusive-interview-called-domestic-terrorists-by-the-feds-oath-keepers-help-stop-ferguson-from-burning/
http://benswann.com/exclusive-interview-oathkeepers-surrounded-by-50-police-told-to-stop-defending-building-in-ferguson-from-fires/
Awesome interview with Sam:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/12/02/ferguson-oath-keepers-challenge-order-to-leave/?cp=1#comment-505241
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New York Times (November 29 2014)
On Rooftops of Ferguson, Volunteers Patrol, With Guns
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/us/on-rooftops-of-ferguson-volunteers-with-guns.html?_r=2
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Fox News (December 02 2014)
Ferguson Oath Keepers challenge order to leave
http://fox2now.com/2014/12/02/ferguson-oath-keepers-security-team/
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December 02 2014
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/12/02/government-threatens-police-academy-instructor-other-volunteers-with-arrest-for-protecting-ferguson-businesses/

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Breitbart.com notes on USA Today article. November 29 2014
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/11/29/USA-Today-Ferguson-a-Defining-Moment-for-Race-Relations-Notes-Calls-for-Bloodshed
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Reuters on November 26 2014
In Ferguson, black residents stand guard at white-owned store
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/26/us-usa-missouri-shooting-gasstation-idUSKCN0JA1XF20141126

Feds Enable Arsonists, Target Oath Keepers Protecting Ferguson Businesses
Feds tell police to stop "domestic terrorists" providing free security

Mikael Thalen November 30 2014 at INFOWARS :::: This is a good synopsis of a timeline regarding the feds shutting down the Oath Keepers security operations for business owners.
http://www.infowars.com/feds-enable-arsonists-target-oath-keepers-protecting-ferguson-businesses/
Police in Ferguson, Missouri, have been pressured by the federal government to stop members of Oath Keepers from guarding local homes and businesses targeted by arsonists.
Oath Keepers, an organization consisting of former and current military, police and first responders, dispatched several members to Ferguson the day after the Grand Jury announcement to provide free security to those in need.
Almost immediately after receiving praise in a local paper for protecting vulnerable residents, Oath Keepers standing watch on top of a locally-owned bakery witnessed a three-man sniper team exiting a silver Suburban on the ground below.
The three men were then seen setting up sniper hides in a nearby building before aiming their rifles directly at the group. Across the street, on top of the fire hall, a seperate sniper team began setting up as well.
A Missouri Oath Keeper named Sam Andrews, who spoke briefly with Infowars, immediately called Unified Command to find out why snipers had taken up an aggressive position against them.
According to Andrews, local police, a large portion of which have been supportive of the Oath Keepers, were completely unaware of the feds movements.
Shortly after, a St. Louis County police officer appeared on scene and began telling Andrews that business owners wanted them off their roofs.
After calling the store owners, Andrews and his team quickly confirmed that no such request was ever made. That is when the officer admitted that his chief was being pressured by the feds to keep Oath Keepers from protecting buildings.
Further reports revealed that the feds had told police earlier that day that Oath Keepers were “domestic terrorists,” an unsurprising claim given the federal government’s baseless targeting of the group.
The owner of a Chinese restaurant receiving free protection was reportedly confronted by federal agents also and told to kick the Oath Keepers out.
Failing to remove the businesses’ and homes’ much needed protection, other officers began telling Andrews that his group was in violation of state law. Police claimed the group needed to posses security licenses, despite the fact that the law only applies to paid security, not volunteers.
“We’re volunteers. We read the statute. We had three attorneys read the statute,” Andrews told Infowars.
Andrews began speaking with other volunteers not affiliated with the Oath Keepers, including a group of young Ferguson residents protecting a local gas station, and learned that none had been approached or told to obtain licenses by police.
Stewart Rhodes, founder and president of Oath Keepers, told Infowars that the American people are being presented with a false choice by those running the show in Ferguson.
“They want to create a false paradigm… They are presenting a false choice between lawlessness, looting, arson, assault, murder on the one side, unrestrained, or a hyper-militarized police state on the other,” Rhodes said. “They are failing to do the intelligent thing and protect businesses without trampling on rights.”
Rhodes’ remarks cause even more concern in light of comments made by Missouri Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder, who accused President Obama of ordering a National Guard stand down as Ferguson businesses burned to the ground last week.
Ferguson Mayor James Knowles also stated that his request for National Guard help was turned down by Governor Jay Nixon, a Democrat ally of the President.
Andrews and the other volunteers, who even spent Thanksgiving pouring water on rooftops in case arsonists and rioters returned, are now shifting tactics in order to continue protecting life, liberty and property in Ferguson.

Natalie’s Cakes And More posted gratitude pic with Oath Keeper on her facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/274915157402/photos/pb.274915157402.-2207520000.1417416757./10152846243627403/?type=1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Natalies-Cakes-More/274915157402
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Natalie's Cakes & More
100 S Florissant Rd
Ferguson, MO 63135
Phone: (314) 398-3951

November 30 2014: Ben Swann piece:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/30/ben-swann-exclusive-called-%E2%80%9Cdomestic-terrorists%E2%80%9D-by-the-feds-oath-keepers-help-stop-ferguson-from-burning/

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/24/oath-keepers-open-letter-to-the-people-of-ferguson-missouri/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/25/oath-keepers-guarding-businesses-in-ferguson-missouri-calling-on-volunteers-to-assist/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/29/mysterious-oath-keepers-guard-rooftops-in-downtown-ferguson/
Very nice article combination by Stewart Rhodes and Jesse Bogan of St. Louis Post-Dispatch on November 29 2014, sent by John Wallace (Mahoney) of NYOK, at this link:
http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_36611.php
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/30/unorthodox-police-procedures-emerge-in-grand-jury-documents/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/30/feds-enable-arsonists-target-oath-keepers-protecting-ferguson-businesses/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/30/madness-in-ferguson-continues/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/30/ben-swann-exclusive-called-%E2%80%9Cdomestic-terrorists%E2%80%9D-by-the-feds-oath-keepers-help-stop-ferguson-from-burning/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/28/black-residents-protect-white-owned-store-in-ferguson/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/27/volunteers-peacefully-protect-ferguson-small-businesses/
My Thanksgiving Letter, with addendum on Ferguson by Stewart at bottom
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/27/a-personal-thanksgiving-letter-from-your-editor/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/25/streets-of-ferguson-smolder-after-grand-jury-decides-not-to-indict-officer/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-browns-death-should-be-call-to-action-not-violence/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/25/staging-ferguson-a-covert-op-and-al-sharpton/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/22/ferguson-experiences-3rd-straight-night-of-unrest/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/21/live-video-feed-in-ferguson-missouri/


Ben Swann Exclusive: Called “domestic terrorists” by the feds, Oath Keepers help stop Ferguson from burning

http://benswann.com/exclusive-interview-called-domestic-terrorists-by-the-feds-oath-keepers-help-stop-ferguson-from-burning/

You might have seen them on the news. The people protecting Ferguson businesses from the arsonists and looters ransacking Ferguson, Mo. But here is the real story about the organization protecting those businesses. They’re called Oath Keepers, and they have ex-police and ex-military keeping guard of four Ferguson businesses since late Monday night, Nov. 24, at the permission of the business owners. (snip)

http://libertycrier.com/crisis-reaction-solution-calls-begin-nationalize-police/
From The New American:
Prominent celebrities and leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus have endorsed a major nationalization of local police forces with an August 25 letter to President Obama, calling for creation of a federal police “czar” and greater federal controls over law enforcement in the wake of the Ferguson, Missouri, shooting and protests.
“The Administration must appoint a federal Czar,” the letter states, “housed in the U.S. Department of Justice, who is specifically tasked with promoting the professionalization of local law enforcement, monitoring egregious law enforcement activities, and adjudicating suspicious actions of local law enforcement agencies that receive federal funding.”

New York Times: On Rooftops of Ferguson, Volunteers Patrol, With Guns

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/us/on-rooftops-of-ferguson-volunteers-with-guns.html?_r=0

There are more on our front page at oathkeepers.org

I spoke with Stewart today by phone. He is now back in Montana, enroute to Idaho next. The chief of police at St. Louis has sent word he wants to talk. Our attorneys and Stewart will be on the line with him. We are not backing down. All statute law has to be pursuant to the Constitution, and we mean to make that point. Armed guests of business owners who are not being paid are perfectly legal under the Constitution, and if the Chief of Police wants to make a big deal out of it, he's in for a legal battle the tax payers in St. Louis may not want to finance. We'll see.

Meanwhile, they're flooding into membership at Oath Keepers, and donations are coming in very nicely due to the national publicity we've just had.

I think that The Mental Militia could, and should, be reaping harvests like that, but if we go for it, we'll lose the "private oasis" which many here want to keep, so I'll content myself with doing it for Oath Keepers.

Be safe and well there, Amigo. I hope you get better online connections soon.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2014, 06:17:25 am »

Yep. The snipers got scope pictures sent to them by other snipers.......

Hey Rarick, have you got a source you could share with me on that? I had not heard about that and would love to take the news of that to Stewart and also put it on our site.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2014, 07:08:51 am »

Thanks Elias.  Plenty here to chew on.  I joined in 2009 so my 'say' is only about half-strength compared to other members.

I welcome more people/opinions on this board.  I'm constantly learning from others here and the more minds the better.  I would hate to see TMM whither away on the vine.  I start each day with a cup o' joe and this site.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2014, 07:14:54 am »

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2014, 08:50:48 pm »

Yep. The snipers got scope pictures sent to them by other snipers.......

Hey Rarick, have you got a source you could share with me on that? I had not heard about that and would love to take the news of that to Stewart and also put it on our site.

Thanks,
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Call it a rhetorical suggestion for a solution........a camera and spotting scope would do just as well. A solid Psychological gut punch......
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2014, 09:04:15 pm »

Yep. The snipers got scope pictures sent to them by other snipers.......

Hey Rarick, have you got a source you could share with me on that? I had not heard about that and would love to take the news of that to Stewart and also put it on our site.

Thanks,
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Call it a rhetorical suggestion for a solution........a camera and spotting scope would do just as well. A solid Psychological gut punch......

So you're just saying that it would have been a good idea, but you're not saying that it actually happened, is that right? If it happened, I'd have to have a source to cite before I could publish it, so that is why I asked. You stated it as if it were fact, but now I see that you were simply fantasizing. That's cool.

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